Topic: How To Cope With People Who Are Stuck In Their Childhood Fears And Trauma
Namaste loves welcome back to our Thursday Q &A show. I hope you’re having a wonderful week so far. Thanks for joining us as we continue to journey and explore how we can live our best lives and be our most healthy and full of vitality and really achieve true wellness, which is what our four cornerstones are about food, body, emotional well -being and spiritual growth, because everything affects everything else. Speaking of which today we are going to be talking about how to cope with other people who are stuck in their childhood fears and trauma. This is an important topic because our environment has such a profound effect on our wellness and on our quality of life. And I’m not just talking about the foods which you stock in your refrigerator or in your pantry. I’m not just talking about your clean household products or how clean your beauty products are, all of these things are important. But it’s important to recognize that those around us have their own stuff going on. And if people in our lives, whether it be family members or friends or whatever, colleagues, if they have a lot of emotional fear and trauma that’s playing out in your life, you want to make sure to protect your energy because it’s a type of a stress that can be…..
Summary
In this episode, Kimberly Snyder discusses how to cope with other people who are stuck in their childhood fears and trauma. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing that those around us have their own emotional baggage and how it can affect our health and well-being. Kimberly shares tips and strategies for protecting our energy and creating healthy boundaries. She also highlights the significance of our environment and the people we surround ourselves with in our personal growth journey. Kimberly suggests using heart-based meditations and seeking professional help as tools for healing and overcoming trauma.
Chapters
00:00 Coping with Other People’s Childhood Fears and Trauma
06:01 Setting Healthy Boundaries
09:21 Holding Space for Ourselves
13:06 The Power of the Heart
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STUDIES AND LINK ON TOPIC
There are numerous studies and research articles that explore coping mechanisms and strategies for helping people who are stuck in their childhood fears and trauma. Here are a few key findings and notable studies:
The Impact of Trauma on the Brain:
Study: “The Neurobiology of Childhood Trauma and Abuse” by Teicher et al. (2003). This study by the Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America (2003) highlighted how childhood trauma can cause long-term changes in brain structure and function, particularly in areas related to emotional regulation and stress response. Understanding these changes can help in developing targeted therapeutic interventions.
Effectiveness of Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (TF-CBT):
Study: “Trauma-focused cognitive-behavioral therapy for children and adolescents: A systematic review” by Cary and McMillen (2012) The Study in the National Library of Medicine (2012) found that Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioral Therapy has been shown to be effective in reducing symptoms of PTSD and depression in children and adolescents who have experienced trauma. The therapy focuses on helping individuals process traumatic memories and develop healthy coping mechanisms.
Role of Social Support in Trauma Recovery:
Study: “Social Support and Resilience to Stress: From Neurobiology to Clinical Practice” by Ozbay et al. (2007)Findings: A 2007 Study cited in the National Library of Medicine found that Social support is crucial in buffering the effects of stress and trauma. Positive social interactions can enhance resilience and aid in recovery from traumatic experiences.
Mindfulness and Meditation as Coping Strategies:
Study: “Mindfulness-based stress reduction in relation to quality of life, mood, symptoms of stress, and immune parameters in breast and prostate cancer outpatients” by Carlson et al. (2003)
Findings: A 2003 study in the Journal of Biobehavioral Medicine found that although it was focused on cancer patients, the study demonstrated the benefits of mindfulness and meditation in reducing stress and improving emotional well-being, which can be applicable to individuals dealing with trauma.
Attachment Theory and Trauma:
Study: “Attachment, Trauma, and Healing: Understanding and Treating Attachment Disorder in Children and Families” by Keck and Kupecky (2002)
Findings: A study in the Book Attachment, Trauma, and Healing: Understanding and Treating Attachment Disorder in Children and Families Keck and Kupecky showed how early attachment disruptions due to trauma can affect relationships and emotional health in later life. Therapeutic approaches that focus on rebuilding secure attachments can be beneficial.
Neurofeedback and Trauma:
Study: “Neurofeedback in the treatment of developmental trauma: Clinical outcomes and proposed mechanisms of action” by van der Kolk et al. (2016)Findings: A 2016 study in the Journal of Plos One cited that Neurofeedback has been shown to help individuals with trauma by improving brain regulation and reducing symptoms of PTSD. This non-invasive therapy can be a valuable tool in trauma recovery.
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Kimberly Snyder (00:00.526)
Namaste loves welcome back to our Thursday Q &A show. I hope you’re having a wonderful week so far. Thanks for joining us as we continue to journey and explore how we can live our best lives and be our most healthy and full of vitality and really achieve true wellness, which is what our four cornerstones are about food, body, emotional well -being and spiritual growth, because everything affects everything else. Speaking of which today we are going to be talking about.
how to cope with other people who are stuck in their childhood fears and trauma. This is an important topic because our environment has such a profound effect on our wellness and on our quality of life. And I’m not just talking about the foods which you stock in your refrigerator or in your pantry. I’m not just talking about your clean.
household products or how clean your beauty products are, all of these things are important. But it’s important to recognize that those around us have their own stuff going on. And if people in our lives, whether it be family members or friends or whatever, colleagues, if they have a lot of emotional fear and trauma that’s playing out in your life, you want to make sure to protect your energy because it’s a type of a stress.
response that we can go into when it’s not even our stuff. But people in our immediate environment are constantly being triggered, playing out patterns, creating drama. This is something we need to talk about because it very much does have an effect on our health and well -being. So today we’ll talk about on the show some really important tips and strategies and things that you can do for yourself. You cannot control someone else’s journey.
is very well maybe people that you love and you want to have in your life, but at the same time we need to create healthy boundaries. Yogananda says, the great yoga guru I speak about so much who’s had such a huge impact on my life. I wrote about you are more than you think you are, which by the way is on a ebook promotion right now for a dollar 99. I thought I’d mention that organically.
Kimberly Snyder (02:13.55)
But what he says is that our environment has the biggest effect on our lives, not just how deeply we meditate and we connect to this incredible energy inside of us, but day to day, moment to moment, it is our environment, which makes a very big difference. This is why we want to be around people who uplift us, who have positive habits, who are ideally trying to progress. They’re trying to move forward on their own personal journey in life, and they can support us in doing the same.
yet we’re all complex and we all have stuff going on. So we want to be compassionate and yet we want to make sure that we do not get enmeshed in other people’s trauma and drama and issues. And so today we’re going to be talking about that. A little reminder that our show notes are over at mysaloon .com. If you’re new to our show, you may be listening to us right now. We also have our show up on YouTube. We’d like to check out the video version here in my little studio, my little home office.
And I also want to mention that we have our new Glow -In -Greens powder out. We’ve got some amazing birthings that we’ve launched recently. This is an amazing powder, a daily vitality booster with seven key plants, including amalaki, known as the fountain of youth herb, and aruveda, synergistic mix of chlorella and spirulina, ashitaba, moringa, cordyceps, mushrooms, monk fruit. So you can check it out over there.
and our Chilla Gorilla and Likey Lemur Journey to the Heart children’s book launched as well, published just a few weeks ago. It’s an amazing gift for yourself, for a child. We’ve had so many adults tell us that they’re reading this book. It’s a really soothing, beautiful story to help us connect to our hearts and to help navigate big feelings through this anchor and center within us, which is actually quite related to our topic today because we need to really…
anchor in in a deeper way when people around us may have triggered or dysregulated nervous systems. So when I started to get more regulated myself, meaning that it wasn’t as easy to throw me into sympathetic nervous system overdrive, I started with this very hard work that I’ve been talking about in the Chilla book, and I’ll be sharing more with you in our journey to the hidden
Kimberly Snyder (04:33.678)
Hidden Power of the Five Hearts, a dealt book which is coming out in September. I started to feel myself actually more grounded, which is something that I hadn’t experienced to that extent, to this extent, which continues to this day in my life because I had always been a bit skittish. I’d always been anxious. I always had anxiety. I’d always looked to food, to other people to soothe myself. But I started to notice that certain people around me weren’t yet quite there.
with their childhood wounds and certain issues that I could now clearly see. And there was definitely trauma playing out. And I could see this with compassion because of course I had my own trauma, my own issues that I’ve shared with you before around not feeling like I needed to be seen in a certain way and understood because at times as a child I felt misunderstood and not seen and not valued and I didn’t feel worthy of myself. So I would notice that sometimes these triggers would come out.
come up and people close to me. And at first there was a sense of unfairness, like this isn’t right. And you’re projecting all this anger and these bad feelings on me and this isn’t really about me. And so sometimes I would reflect that back to depending how close the person was to me, reflected back. Some people would be more receptive than others. Sometimes there’d be a little bit of friction or drama. But then the other part about this, and we’ll get into the science in a moment. I just wanted to share this personally with you first.
was that I noticed that I felt resentful if they didn’t apologize and they had said something sharp to me or rude or something that had nothing to do with me. And then as my heart grew and compassion grew, I could see that they just didn’t have the capacity to do so in a triggered state. And sometimes depending on the situation later on, it could be the next day, it could be that same day or the next week I would come back. When it felt right, I would say to that person, hey, you know,
It didn’t feel good to me that you offloaded your bad feelings on me. And I just wanted to share that with you. It really wasn’t okay with me, but I would always do it when I was calm and I would do it when they were calm. And as I became more clear and healed in myself and secure in myself, which was a big key to being around people that are dysregulated, it became really clear to me what was okay, what wasn’t okay, and what was a healthy boundary that had been trampled upon and what was reasonable, what wasn’t.
Kimberly Snyder (07:00.43)
what was unreasonable. So clarity will rise in you too and in your intuition and in your heart as you start to create more coherence in yourself, more calmness. We do this through the diet, we do this through proper hydration, we do this through eliminating toxins in the body, we do this through meditation, introspection, all the tools that we talk about here at Salona. So we’re going to get into more specifics now. I just wanted to share that with you. This is something that…
I realize is really important because I’ve been affected by it and you maybe have been affected by it too. Or people that in their moments of not being fully conscious, they may gaslight you or say, you know, you’re the crazy one or something’s going on with you and, you know, project things out. And those of us that are empathic or a bit more sensitive can really be affected by that. So our question today comes from Jennifer who lives in London.
And she says, Kimberly, greetings from London. Love your show. Wanted to ask you about fear and trauma. I’ve been married for 10 years and my partner is always getting stuck and influenced by his fear and emotional trauma from his past. I try to help as much as I can, but sometimes I struggle. Would love to hear your thoughts on the subject and information. Jennifer, thank you so much for bringing this up. When we ask these questions and they come from the heart, I can feel it. And I can also feel that many of us have struggled with similar.
issues and challenges and it’s so important that we have these conversations. So we’re here in this life sharing with one another in community. We’re not in isolation. Energy fields intersect, right? So our energy is going to overlap with the people that we live with, the people that we speak to a lot, the people that we meet with every day at the coffee shop, whatever it is, and especially those in our immediate environment. And in this case, with your partner, your husband, your spouse, people in your home.
So we are not responsible for everyone’s journey, but we can hold the space for ourselves. And the more we hold the space for ourselves, as I’ve learned in my experience, we become a stronger mirror for the other person to realize that this behavior, that behavior of projecting on to someone else is just not okay. And this may or may not inspire them to actually seek more tools or to get some professional counseling or therapy.
Kimberly Snyder (09:21.87)
or introspect or whatever it is to help he or she grow out of that situation. But it’s not our job to ensure that what we can do is just protect ourselves and hold a loving, kind, but firm boundary about what is okay and how we can be treated and how we cannot be treated. So there’s the Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America recently in 2023 found that childhood trauma,
can cause long -term changes in brain structure, particularly in areas related to emotional regulation and stress responses. So it’s important to realize that this does not make someone a bad person. If they have a pattern, if they have trauma from their past, we have to view this with compassion, both with ourselves and with other people. And to realize that before the age of five, things could have happened in that person’s life or in your life, which are beyond…
the understanding of the conscious mind. And they’ve created these really deep patterns. Now there is neuroplasticity, things can change, things can rewire, we can create new patterns, and that’s the good news. But it does need paid attention to, it does need to be addressed. So it doesn’t just continue on and on and on. Okay, but there are actual reasons that it can be quite challenging for people to just…
break off a pattern. And so if you’re feeling frustrated with someone in your environment playing out a certain pattern, be compassionate, be a mirror, but encourage them to seek some tools, some higher understanding, reading some books, going to a counselor, whatever they may be open to. A study in the National Library of Medicine found that reducing symptoms of depression in children and reducing symptoms of PTSD.
was helped in therapy that helped them to process traumatic memories and develop healthy coping mechanisms. So there’s many different modalities for overcoming old patterns and traumas. There’s different types of therapy, there’s different modalities, there’s working with energy, there’s talk therapy, there’s cognitive behavioral therapy. What I have found to be really, really helpful on my journey, I always share with you what’s the most helpful, has been this work with the heart.
Kimberly Snyder (11:42.51)
And I’m really excited to share some of these tools with you and the Hidden Power of the Five Hearts, which will be available in just a short while. We’re going to be pre -selling the book soon because the heart is the truth of who we are. It’s the center of our being energetically and spiritually, but physically it has this ability to change our thoughts without getting dredged up in all the past memories and trying to process things from a linear place.
What I found in my experience is the heart’s intelligence is nonlinear. It’s dynamic. So it gives us a different viewpoint. Now I’ve been talking about this quite a bit lately and I’ll mention it here again. The heart is another brain, similarly to how your gut is another brain. There are literally neurons in your heart and your heart has the ability to send more messages to your brain and start to create what’s known as entrainment or coherence between the heart, the brain and the nervous system.
which is this inner harmony, it’s this syncing up. And when we do this, we start to rewire. And so this is, as I started to do the heart work, and you can check out our Heart Aligned Meditation Tracks, which are already going to be on our website now, mysalona .com. And simply here as we’re speaking, you can shift part of your attention to your heart. Even as something as simple and tiny as this.
has loads of research behind it. It means that we’re starting to put more focus on the heart. This starts to rewire the connection, once again, between the nervous system and the brain and the heart, and everything starts to work together in a more synergistic way. We start to become free of ego’s hold on our mind over identifying with the thoughts. So believing that this pattern that may have played out for a couple of decades has to go a certain way.
Right? The trauma could be really deep. Bessel Wendor Kulk in his book, The Body Keeps the Score, estimated that around 75 % of Americans have some form of trauma. We know this is very common. And this is, you know, trauma is very wide ranging. There’s many different things that have happened in the past which affect our behavior today. They affect how we are in relationships. They affect how we eat. They affect how we view our body, our self -image, our self -esteem.
Kimberly Snyder (14:05.678)
our energy levels because we have a lot of fear in the past from the past and trauma we can be in a state of well level stress all the time and this ages us it puts a lot of just it’s like the brakes are on a little bit of resistance and it wears down our organs and wears down our vital processes wears down our life force keeps us from feeling this full expansiveness that is the truth of our nature so
We want to approach this with compassion, but I want to share that if you know someone struggling with trauma, there’s lots of help out there. And I also am very excited to share all these amazing heart tools, which aren’t just about the sentimental heart, they’re about the scientific, science -backed techniques of creating more coherence in your body and your heart -brain communication, which definitely changed my life. So look out for that soon. Now…
Support is crucial in buffering the side effects of stress and trauma, positive social interactions were studied in a 2007 study in the National Library of Medicine and found to be of great aid in recovery. So we wanna be there for our loved ones, especially those that are exhibiting behavior that we know may not be healthy, that is a certain pattern. But again, this support can also extend to professional help for that person because, you know,
We are not professionals. We can do our best. We can hold space. We can be loving and kind and compassionate. At the same time, we are not responsible for someone else’s growth. And that person very well may need some tools that are beyond your particular area of expertise. And so it’s important to hold space and to be loving and not to be harsh or judgmental because that’s not what anyone needs. And that is not going to open the heart. That’s not going to open up.
the brain to rewire from these traumatic experiences, which can range from an incident to a level of neglect in childhood or a level of just being yelled at or being ignored or whatever could have happened in the past. There’s so many different things that could affect us to such deep degrees as an adult. It’s shocking, right? We want to be supportive.
Kimberly Snyder (16:30.35)
but we don’t want to be trampled on. So there’s a fine line there and it’s important that we use our intuition to know that line. A 2003 study in the Journal of Biobehavioral Medicine found that although this was focused on cancer patients, but the study demonstrated that mindfulness and meditation reduced stress and helped individuals dealing with trauma improve their emotional wellbeing. So this is because in this
vast space in the heart connecting to the true self. We are not confined by thoughts, not confined by these identifications identified with I’m the victim. This happened, these events which feel, you know, real and present because we’re replaying them over and over again. When we start to be aware of the body, right, these somatic cues about how we’re breathing and how our
heart rate is and if we’re starting to speak a bit faster or walk faster, we start to come deeper into the body. The body is beyond the thoughts. The body is a more true marker of being here in the present moment. It’s very easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of thoughts. But what we can do instead is take some deep breaths and settle deep down into our bodies.
Right? And so this is what the heart -based meditations are about, the heart -aligned meditations. We’re journeying to a different place. We’re coming into the heart, and this alone starts to create shifts. This starts to break us away from the identification, not only of the trauma, but if someone is being hurtful around you, who was caught up in their childhood fear and their trauma, we can come back into coherence in our own bodies and make ourselves more resilient.
against going into sympathetic nervous system overdrive, into going into a stress response. We focus on ourselves. We can show up there and be kind for someone else, but we have to take care of ourselves. Otherwise now we have two dysregulated people and so no one is helped by that. So we have to go into our hearts, go into the breath and pay attention to your body. Be there for yourself. Do not abandon your body. Listen to the cues of your body. Show up.
Kimberly Snyder (18:52.974)
and breathe and get yourself nice and calm because when you’re nice and calm, you’ll be more resilient to being strong against what someone else may be going through.
So let’s see, let’s talk about another study. This study was in treating attachment disorder in children and families. This showed how early attachment disruptions due to trauma can affect relationships and emotional health and later life. So we did a show recently around attachments and how attachments very different than connection. And this is…
Kimberly Snyder (19:42.83)
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Kimberly Snyder (19:47.566)
Please go to the other room. I can hear you. You’re messing up the show.
Kimberly Snyder (20:24.526)
All right, still being asked over. Okay, so there’s a little break here. Please edit around here. So this shows that there are so many things beyond our control as a child. And parents are doing their best with what they got, but there can be a lot of anxiety and avoidance, these different attachment.
styles can happen instead of being secure, secure in oneself and then secure in relationship with other people, having a really clear line and boundary between our in our relationship with others. If we have these issues with attachments in early childhood, it can actually be quite difficult, a great challenge to create that growing up.
So I know this with compassion because I definitely had some attachment issues. I have attachment issues as an adult because I had these sorts of disruptions in early life. My mother went back to school, work when I was two weeks old for financial reasons and there was a bit of trauma there for sure. I felt abandoned. I felt alone. I felt not seen. I felt like I wasn’t important because I was left to my own devices. So we have to treat this with compassion.
And also what’s helped me is to see everything as a gift. Everything is for our benefit. Because if not for those situations, maybe I wouldn’t be as strong as I was today. Maybe I wouldn’t be so deeply immersed in seeking and wellness, wanting to support you and others in our community. Right? So I don’t fault anyone, any of my caregivers in my childhood, because I think it’s part of this perfection unfolding of the…
our personal journeys of growth. And that’s the best way to see it, I think, because otherwise, you know, we just live stuck and in this trauma. So growth means that we stay open, we stay curious, and we stay compassionate for ourselves and others around us. And what we can do is, you know, mirror back to those that we love when they’re calm, we can offer different resources that have helped us.
Kimberly Snyder (22:36.686)
But we do have to keep that healthy boundary and make sure that we are not being abused or trampled upon. Whilst we can be compassionate for someone else’s trauma, it cannot cross the line into abuse. And if it starts to cross into that line, then we need to separate ourselves, get help, get out of the situation and do what we need to do to make sure that we stay in a healthy situation. Again, please get help.
Please ask for professional help and counseling if you feel like you’re not sure if something’s crossed a line or you need support in any of these areas. It’s really important that we don’t feel alone and that we don’t stay silent if something is going on that is just not right.
So neurofeedback is a really interesting modality. There’s been a study in the Journal of PLOS -1 stating that neurofeedback has been helpful in improving brain regulation. It’s noninvasive therapy that can be a tool. I have tried neurofeedback myself. It’s with the brain waves. I saw some benefit. But again, for me personally, I think there’s so many different things to explore. I think that everyone…
is different, different things may affect people differently. But for me, going more deeply into the heart, working with the heart and all these hundreds of studies showing that the heart is the main biological oscillator of the body, heart is the emotional intelligence, the heart is stress resilience, that has made the biggest impact for me, changing my thoughts and changing my state, going to a different place than the thoughts, going into the heart. But neurofeedback is definitely something you can explore, you can go to a center.
to try neurofeedback trainings. I went to one in Arizona. It’s quite pricey. There are some devices that simulate a type of neurofeedback. Put your mind into a certain state. There’s certain neurofeedbacks that train hemicoherence, so your left and your right brain. Working more together in harmony. There’s many different types of trainings out there, but that is something that people have used. It’d be good for someone around you if they’re open to that as well. So.
Kimberly Snyder (24:51.854)
Let’s talk about more deeply some of the things you can do and really re -emphasize. So number one, you want to make sure that you are in a safe environment and that boundaries are being respected. Sometimes if someone speaks out, projects out at you, you have to have that conversation when they’re calm. If it is happening regularly, it is happening all the time, it has crossed over into abuse. This is very much something that you need to address. It is not okay. This is something that…
we need to deal with, speak up about, get some help, and do whatever it takes to make sure you stay in a safe environment. And then, as I mentioned before, you want to model healthy behavior in yourself. You want to nourish healthy behavior in yourself, safety and security. When the outer world is more chaotic, the best place to do the most
Powerful thing I’ve learned to do is to go inside and to regulate yourself because we can’t change the outside world. We can’t change what everyone is doing on the outside world. But what we can do is deepen into our practice, do our heart aligned meditations or any other meditations that resonate with you. Start the day this way so we stay more resilient and more coherent. You start to notice when you’re getting triggered because someone else is going into their fear pattern or their trauma.
And instead of saying, trying to correct them, you can stay compassionate with them, but go and be with yourself. Regulate yourself. This is something I really learned. Instead of just trying to make that person feel better and fawning over them, I realized I was abandoning myself for a time. And then I would get more dysregulated and I would feel jumpy for a long time and I wouldn’t feel right. So this isn’t what we want to do. Instead, we want to…
sort of like on the airplane when the pilot or the steward, the airline workers tell you to put your seatbelt on first before you put your seatbelt or the air mask on a child because two people dysregulated isn’t going to help. You want to just come into this really safe container in your body, regulate your body, notice if your heart rate’s sped up or your breath.
Kimberly Snyder (27:13.934)
calm yourself, go for a little walk, you can look around the room.
Peter Levine, a trauma expert, has this technique of grabbing the outsides of your arms above your elbows, giving yourself a safe container in your body, feeling the safety of your own physical body, knowing that you’re safe inside of you and that other people can’t affect you that much. We create that safe environment. We can be in our own journey of growth. We can keep our emotional resilience. We don’t have to be so over -affected by others.
Kimberly Snyder (27:50.894)
We wanna stay regulated. We wanna learn more about this. I’ll be providing some more tools around this, as I mentioned in the upcoming book. There’s so much that I wanna share about heart coherence and more heart -brain regulation, and I’ll be doing that in the near future. This is just sort of an introduction into this topic and highlighting this beautiful question that came forward from Jennifer all the way in London, that we need to see what’s going on in our outer environment.
Start with more awareness. Start with noticing if there’s unhealthy patterns that need to shift. Don’t have to put up with it. You don’t have to live in an unhealthy environment. We all deserve health. We all deserve to be in our fullest well -being. So it’s really important to take care of yourself, to listen, to not shove things under the rug, to take care of yourself, to be a mirror, to be compassionate, all the things that we talked about here. But above all, to be in a safe environment.
So let’s take a deep breath as we end the show today. Just check in with your body and notice if anything came up for you or anything intuitively around any of your relationships or anything in your home environment. This may be a good thing to journal about. There may be some things that you feel inspired to address. So thank you so much for being here with me as always. I appreciate you so much. Please keep the questions coming over at mysalina .com in the podcast section.
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