How to Create a Healthy Relationship with Money in Everyday Life with John Pisani [Episode #789]

I’m very excited to be talking to John Pisani, my long-term business partner and dear friend.  We co-founded the Beauty Detox Movement, essentially, and he’s a founding partner with me at Solluna. He does many things. He wears many hats, and one of the areas that he really helps to keep me in check with is financials and money.

And so money is an energy, like anything else that we talk about here in our community. There’s a lot of numbers involved with money, similarly to how there’s numbers involved in weight and rank and blood pressure and our salary. And just like the way that numbers can kind of mess with our heads, what we want to do is we don’t want numbers to overly define us, but we want to find a way to have a healthy relationship with numbers and with money in general.

Like all our topics that we discuss here on our podcast, we’re looking holistically at the energy of money because when we work with the energy behind something, we can really influence the outcome and the form, how it shows up in the external world. I’ve had an up and down relationship with money in my life. I started off being quite broke after backpacking and was able to create abundance, and I know that if I can do it, then you can do it too.

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Kimberly Snyder (00:12): Hey loves and welcome back to our Monday interview podcast, where I’m very excited to be talking to John Pisani, my long-term business partner. And dear friend, we have co-founded the Beauty Detox Movement, essentially, and he’s a founding partner with me at Solluna. He does many things. He wears many hats, but one of the areas that he really helps to keep me in check with is financials and money. And so money is an energy, like anything else that we talk about here in our community, there’s a lot of numbers, obviously involved with money, similarly to how there’s numbers involved in weight and rank and blood pressure and our salary. And just like the way that numbers can kind of mess with our heads, what we want to do is we don’t want numbers to overly define us, but we want to find a way to have a healthy relationship with numbers and with money in general.

(01:16): So I’m very excited to get into our show today, which is very practical. But like all our topics that we discuss here on our podcast, holistic, so we’re looking at the energy of money because when we work with the energy behind something, we can really influence the outcome and the form, how it shows up in the external world, as we’ll get into in our show today. I’ve had an up and down relationship with money in my life. I started off being quite broke after backpacking and was able to create abundance, and I know that if I can do it, then you can do it too. So I’m really excited, and especially to bring John into the show today, who has been such an amazing guide for me in this area, and he has some really amazing wisdom to share with everyone today.

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Interview with John Pisani

John Pisani (04:08): Okay, all of that being said, let’s get into our show today, which is about creating and sustaining a healthy relationship with money. So, welcome John. Thank you for coming back to the show. You’ve been on many times and we welcome you back. Thank you. So good to be back, back in the podcast fold.

Kimberly Snyder (04:12): So, we talk about a lot of numbers here in the community, and we talk about not letting numbers dictate our worth, dictate how we feel about ourselves, which can be really tricky, right? Because on one hand we want to create an awareness of numbers. We don’t want to bury our head in the sand, but some of us, including myself, which can fall into perfectionism and obsession, when you see this symbol, when you see this literal number in front of you, it can, um, it can create a lot of emotions around it. So we’ve talked about weight, as I mentioned at the top of the show before. We’ve talked about age thinking that you’re supposed to have done X, Y, Z in your family life or your career life. At a certain point we’ve talked about, you know, salary, how much money you’ve saved your 401k, like financial planning in the future.

(05:15): Um, and this really falls. And then calorie counting, carb counting, I mean, there’s so many things around numbers, right? There’s so many different aspects. So the first thing I want, and first of all, thank you again for coming on. I wanted to bring you on because you’re such a grounded person in Solona and in my life, and you’ve helped me a lot because I sometimes I, I vacillate, I, you know, I see the numbers and then I don’t want to see them, and then I kind of push them away. So, can you share with us some of your, um, ideas about, because you are so good at this, how do we have an awareness of numbers, in this case, an awareness of money, but not fall into obsessing over it <laugh>?

John Pisani (06:02): Totally. Well, I think from an early age, we’re trained because think about growing up, you’re getting grades, you’re getting report cards and everything’s a number. You scored a 80 and 90, whatever it is. And so our whole childhood were programmed to, in our minds, equate success with numbers of how well we did or did not do something. So it’s easy to fall into it. I think sometimes what gets lost is, you know, numbers are just one representation. And I think as you become an adult, you realize it’s not always about numbers. And you can find the value in stuff deeper than the numbers. It’s not about how much, but about what you know you’re giving and what you’re doing in your life. And sometimes in affecting two people or doing something for two people is greater than thousands because you profoundly affect one person. And that’s success. Think about it. If one person in your life you inspire to go on to do something great, that’s success. And so we have to try to deprogram ourself to think it isn’t about the quantity of what you’re doing.

Kimberly Snyder (07:22): Yes. And it’s good to remember that when we are thinking about impact, and we’re thinking about, you know, using our voice, making a difference, purpose, but for this very practical show on money back to, okay, we’re aware of how much money we have, we want to create an awareness, but how do we not obsess about the actual money, do you think? Um, because for me, like you are saying, um, if I, if I say, well, you know, oh, what, you know, what have, how have I been showing up and what’s going on here? Right? There’s a little bit more, um, detachment from it versus identification like, oh, I failed. Or like, you know, this isn’t as much as I want it to be right now. Versus stepping back and saying, okay, if I want to expand this, how can I show up energetically? Because for me, obsession and micromanaging and getting in the minutiae makes me feel restricted, and it makes me feel small.

(08:28): And so I feel like that obsession doesn’t help. So, you know, again, the, the awareness, and I’ve worked, I’ve talked to you about this many times, okay, I’m aware of these numbers, you know, whether it’s the sales numbers, if we had a particular sale, let’s say it’s Solluna, or, okay, here’s my book royalties, or whatever it is. But then like you said, looking at the bigger energetic picture to not get so tight and obsessive because these numbers are very linear and you know, there’s other factors. It could be the economy, it could be, Hey, yeah, maybe I did need to put more time and effort into promoting this, or whatever it is. But instead of beating ourselves up, which is the pathway, you know, the traditional pathway, the perfectionist, like myself, the obsessive pathway. We wanna be aware but not get constricted.

John Pisani (09:21): Totally. Yeah. I mean, if we’re talking from a business sense with money and that kind of thing, we kind of look at things as talking about sales or different things from goals you’re trying to meet in your life.

Kimberly Snyder (09:35): Business and personal finances, we can say.

John Pisani (09:38): So yes, from a business perspective, it’s about, again, like you said, letting go of always having to hit a number. From a business perspective, you know, you and I here at Solluna, we want to be successful, we want the business to thrive because then we can expand and reach more people and all that good stuff. But we have to keep in mind also letting go of always having to hit a number. Because the bigger picture is how are we affecting people? What are we bringing to people’s lives? That’s what’s important. And with that, if you’re coming from that place and letting go of the attachment of always having to hit the number, you free the energy up to of expansion because you’re not squeezing so tight to get, you know, like, it’s got to be this or it has to be that, because when you’re doing that, you’re contracting and energetically it’s hard. But when you let go of that, there’s a freedom in that. That brings in expansion, And on another level, it kind of works that way personally when you’re always stressing about money. Listen, I a hundred percent understand, you have to have a roof over your head. There’s a certain level of living that

Kimberly Snyder (11:01): Gotta make rent <laugh>.

John Pisani (11:02): Exactly. Without money for essentials, it’s very difficult. And you go into a much harder place. But once you’re at a place to where you’re paying your rent and that kind of stuff, the less you can fixate on it and just focus more on the inner self the better, it’s really within yourself. I’m going to be okay. The universe is going to provide. And you hear so many people say it, but when you really practice it, it’s really profound. When I, early, when I finished college and I moved out to California and I can remember, you know, trying to start a new career working, you know, in the film industry. And, and I initially had some success, but then went through a hard period where I didn’t make any money, and I was literally living week to week, not figuring. And at some point I just had to say, I just have to let go. And it’s going to, I have to like, have to stop stressing about where I’m going to and just let the universe provide. And suddenly things started happening and more and more, and the lesson I learned is, I can remember back than thinking, oh my gosh, if I just had, you know, a thousand, two, three, $4,000 in the bank, I would never have a care in the world. And then, yeah, I did have it <laugh>, I would then say if I had 10,000 dollars I would be ok. And what you realize after your number keeps going up, you realize even when that happens, you still have to practice it because it doesn’t always equate that way. So I think the, the lesson in what I’ve always tried to done is detach yourself from the results always. You have to really embody it and really take away the fear and just trust in yourself, in your spiritual practice and let go.

Kimberly Snyder (12:58): Yes. Yes. And you know, what you’re, what you’re saying is moving away from a lack mentality, which comes from obsession. You know, when you talk about this freedom, it’s going into, you know, the, the word, the true self, right? Many different terms. We talk about, we’re going into the dow, we’re going into the, you know, universal potential, consciousness, intelligence, whatever word you want to use. So now we’re opening up the field, we’re opening up the energy. And this is something that in the latest book I talk about, you are more than you think. You are the magnetism chapter where when you’re in this state of trust and you’re just, you know, moving about the world in this now moment with a greater sense of awe and enjoyment, things really do start to come to you. Now, that’s easier said than done because I’ve been in that space as well when I came back from backpacking and I really didn’t have a lot of money.

(13:56): Um, it’s easy to start thinking about, oh my gosh, look at my dwindling bank account. What am I going to do? I can’t make, make rent this month. So one of the things that, one of the principles I think that really helps to increase and expand the energy of money is service. And it doesn’t mean, you know, literally like you have to spend your life every day at the soup kitchen. But what I mean by that is, you know, we talk about this idea of limitation and isolation. That’s the ego, that’s me, me, me. I’m worried about myself. And it’s counterintuitive cuz we think the more we obsess the mind tells us, the more we worry somehow it’s gonna make things better. And it works the opposite. It keeps us in that stagnation and that smallness. But if we were to think, okay, how could I help this person?

(14:45): It could be a friend moving, or, you know, being extra kind to the barista that makes your coffee or smiling at someone on the street, whatever it is that helps to expand. So I remember in those downiest of days, I was teaching yoga, I was teaching Asanas and, um, you know, walking around New York City and I would give so much love to my students. And you know, you came to some of my classes, John, I would always try to go over and beyond. And then I started a free blog. And I wasn’t trying to monetize it. I wasn’t selling ads, I didn’t know anything about marketing or SEO as it was just purely sharing. And it was this form of service, right? I wanted to share what had helped me, but that is expansive energy that was moving me beyond worrying about myself. And eventually that blog started to become popular. And then because of the popularity of the blog, my first book deal came, which was, you know, more money than I could ever have imagined at that point getting in one fell swoop. Right? But I had to pull myself out, like consistently keep reminding myself, don’t obsess, don’t go into the lack. And sometimes it’s easier to do that if we’re serving other people because we’re putting our energy outside of ourselves and we can focus on giving even in the smallest of ways that keeps us out of that lack feeling.

John Pisani (16:11): No, absolutely. I remember taking that yoga class <laugh> and feeling like the impressive thing was how much energy you gave the class and you could palpably feel it as a student in the class. I think the great lesson in that is, and I know at that time you were struggling, but when you went to that class, you put that aside the struggles and you gave so much. I think the lesson is giving so much when you don’t have anything. When I say have anything I’m talking about financially, because what you did have was that spirit in which you were giving. And that to so many people and to like in the world means so much more than monetary stuff. But what doing that you were putting all this goodness into the universe. And like anything you do, when you put good things into the universe, they typically come back in different ways. And you know, one of the ways it came back was it was you were putting so much goodness into that, helping others through your blog, and that it came full circle back with the book.

Kimberly Snyder (17:23): Right. Which would become the beauty detox solution, the first correct

John Pisani (17:26): And the thing is, you weren’t doing it to get a result you were doing it from a place where in your mind I’m getting nothing in return other than giving love or giving service, doing whatever out to the world with expecting nothing back. Because that’s real giving.

Kimberly Snyder (17:51): Yes. And that pulls us out of the, the lack feeling is I need to gain something, I need me, me, me, which is ego, right? And the ego is small and cuts us off from this universal supply. So part of what you’re, you know, the, the part of that story was when I started that blog, the only people I really shared it with were my yoga students. And I believe, you know, I was teaching in three different locations, three studios and you know, the classes would have like 30, 40 people. So imagine 30, 40 people times three in New York City, which is millions of people you think, oh, what kind of impact’s that going to have? But those students, and I had such a special energetic connection, and those students looked up the blog and started sharing it with their friends. And it started growing through New York City organically because like I said, I was in advertising, I didn’t know anything about getting a website out, and it was very ad hoc and I was like loading these blurry pictures up <laugh>, but it was the same energy of the class, which was love and sharing and pureness.

(18:58): And then it did spread and it kept growing across the country. And then it did translate to these, to these book deals. And then the financial, which is interesting because, you know what you’re saying, John too, is energy on the inside, that’s the seed. And then the financial, like the money, like what you see coming in, in terms of your bank account, that comes after that’s form. Just like we talk about in the community, you know, gut health first. And then what you see externally is embroider, eyes, better skin, healthier hair, you know, all these things externally, it comes from the inside out. So it’s the same thing with financials. <laugh>, it starts inside. So part of the lack mentality is focusing what’s here now. Like, oh my gosh, look at how little’s in this account. But in a way that’s you’re focusing on the past because what’s the money, the money that’s in there now was created from your past to energy. So if you want to shift, we have to focus on the inside, on what we can work to influence now. And then the money will come, you know, it will change shape in the future, <laugh>.

John Pisani (20:05): Oh, absolutely. And it, you know, it can be any size, it can be giving to your family, giving to your friends. It doesn’t have to be a big amount of people it can be wherever your life is, it can just be in your immediate circle, it doesn’t have to, you know, be an enormous thing. It can just be

Kimberly Snyder (20:23): Exactly. Well, it’s like, it’s like an energy of giving, right? So like you said, it’s, it’s not just, um, it’s, it’s just a way of being, right? It’s like, oh, do I, you know, automatically, or do I think to open the door for this person at the grocery store or, you know, am I graciously letting this person go in front of me at Target because they look like they’re in a rush or being really kind to the checkout person, whatever it is. Like the, the many, the micro interactions that we have in our life can be all acts of service, right? The way that, you know, you may just pick, um, you know, we picked flowers. E and I are, you know, older son. We picked flowers a couple weeks ago for a couple of his teachers. And I couldn’t believe how joyful they were from our garden.

(21:13): We have these wild flowers, you know, it’s, you know, it was, um, you know, a smaller thing, but we put them in a beautiful glass jar and gave it to them with this act of love and appreciation. And you could just see the smile and you could see how that lit up their day. And so, again, it doesn’t have to feel like, you know, we said where you have to volunteer necessarily at an organization, you may think to yourself, oh, my life is already so busy. You work into your life now. But it’s an energy, it’s an expansive energy of giving. And that will change your financial situation.

John Pisani (21:49): Absolutely. It just reminds me yesterday, it’s so funny you mentioned that, because yesterday I just happened to call a friend who I thought of. When I called him, he answered the phone, I said, Hey, it’s John, how are you? And his first reaction was a very rough and I said, oh, are you okay? He said, what do you need? And I was like, no, I just called to say hi. And then his energy completely shifted. He was like, oh my gosh, no one calls just to say hi. People only call when they want something <laugh>. I said, no, I just thought of you. I was doing something, and you popped in my head, I just wanted to see how you’re doing. And so, I ended up talking to him for 15 – 20 minutes and his energy from the beginning to the end of the call was completely different. And so, it doesn’t have to be, you know, and that’s, it just reminded me of that. I was shocked how different he was from the beginning to the end of the call and he hung up and he was in such a good mood.

Kimberly Snyder (22:49): <laugh>. Exactly. It’s that giving without expectation of something for me, which people can feel, right? So it’s like, are we giving from our hearts? Are we giving from our ego because we want something back? And, um, you know, this, this sort of leads me to another thing I wanted to talk about, which is flowing versus hoarding. Because when we’re thinking about money and creating a healthy relationship, there’s this waterfall energy. We talk about the waterfall lot. It’s one of our favorite analogies. It’s the name of the cleanse that we have now, which is really, you know, waterfalls are this symbol of abundance. So the waterfall is constantly emanating and radiating and it’s constantly giving, it’s constantly letting go in a sense. So we want to flow financially, we don’t want to, you know, like, like a close fist. Hold on so tightly that we never spend money on anything and we never buy anything.

(23:52): But at the same time, we don’t want to be irresponsible and overextend ourselves. So there’s this delicate balance and you know, it’s one that I’ve played with myself because, um, you know, I don’t, I don’t like a lot of, you know, I don’t need, um, a lot of like fancy things per se, but there are certain conveniences and things and, you know, um, things that I enjoy, like everyone else. I love massages for instance, and things of that, like that nature. Um, self-care. Um, so f you know, I think if John, you could talk a little bit about allowing this waterfall to flow, um, without restriction, but then we don’t want to be irresponsible and sort of leak out. And one thing I’ll say before I turn it over to you, where I think across the board is super abundant and important is tipping generously, right? Because that is, you know, whenever someone is coming and giving us a service, whether, you know, I get Instacart for grocery delivery so that I’ve, I’m seeing delivery people a couple times a week or waiters in restaurants or servers and whoever around this act of tipping generously over tipping is saying, Hey, I appreciate you.

(25:12): I’m grateful, I’m super abundant so I can share. Right? So that’s part of that flowing energy that I thinks that I think abundance, you know, helps abundance come in. So that’s one part of that. But then in general, how do we balance this in a healthy way back to our show title, creating this healthy relationship on a daily, weekly, uh, monthly basis. Because you are really good at budgeting, John, whereas I am a bit more free flow. Um, yeah. So give us some practical tips

John Pisani (25:43): Here. Yeah, I mean, I think this is, this is one of the trickiest ones, uh, of the relationships with money because everybody comes in with a different tolerance of risk of you know, what they feel comfortable with. And depending on, you know, how you’ve grown up and depending how, where you are in the world, everyone kind of has a different feeling of what okay. You know, like I can remember very early on and being, uh, like one of the, in my career, big thing is getting to the point where I could go into a grocery store and not look at, have to worry about, oh, every single price and if it was on sale so that I could buy the stuff without feeling like I was spending too much? But you can’t, it’s a hard, you know, you have to kind of feel, I, for me, what I do is, is if I’m spending something on that I really value and means and feels like I’m honoring myself in a healthy way, then I don’t, you know, I don’t mind spending it.

(26:46): But if I’m spending it because maybe I don’t feel good and I think it’s going to put me in a better mood, or it’s going to make me feel a certain way, then I have to look at myself like, okay, why am I spending it on? Am I, do I really want something like this? Or is it just trying to elicit a reaction within myself? Like I said it’s a little trickier because everyone has a different variation of, of where they feel comfortable. I think the biggest tip is to be like, really, like I said, like there’s certain things you love and you will spend on them because you love them. That’s healthy. Yeah. As long as, you know, obviously you’re doing it within okay. You’re not, you know, at the sacrifice of, you know, feeding your family or doing, you know, whatever, you know, certain things are, you know, living in, in a way that, you know, always say, sometimes you see people and they might spend all their money on a car, but then they have a horrible living situation. Right. You know what I mean? And so

Kimberly Snyder (27:47): They want

John Pisani (27:47): Massive because they want to send the perception of I am successful. So, I think you have to find that balance and, and, and I think that the healthiest way to do it, for me at least, is to really be honest with yourself. If it’s something that doesn’t immediately feel like, oh, you know, this feels good and that feels like I’m honoring myself, but also being worry of don’t get into a fear-based of never being able to spend anything. Because that can do, when you get into that, you can bring in the same kind of energy of contraction. So you Oh, yes. You know, like if you’re always afraid to spend Yeah. Then you, you could bring in the energy of, of contraction. So Oh,

Kimberly Snyder (28:31): Hugely. Well that’s what I was saying about the tipping, right? It’s, it’s important to say, Hey, someone gave me service. We’re all in this together. We’re all connected, we’re all one that’s an expansive, unification, oneness, energy like Yogananda talked about this underlying energy matrix between all of us and all things. This is saying, I’m tapped into the grid. The grid is where abundance is. When we’re isolated, we are contracted. So, you know, the hoarding is the opposite end of the scale where I’ve worked with some celebrities who shall remain unnamed, but then it was like going through, spending all this energy to go through every single receipt and saying, oh wait, did you mean to buy two heads of celery? And then I have to say, yeah, because I made the g g s for the weekend <laugh>. You know what I mean? But it’s like, okay, we’re talking about this minutiae and there’s way bigger fish to fry, right?

(29:29): So it can take a lot of energy. So it’s almost like we’re saying don’t go, um, too extreme either way. You don’t want to hoard. That always makes me feel like that closed fist, you know, like that, um, there’s a parable where the monkey puts his hand in the jar and he fills his hand with the cookies or the dates or whatever it is, and it’s so full and he won’t let go. And then, you know, the human comes and his hand is stuck. So he gets caught, he gets nothing versus the monkey that goes into the jar and just takes like one or two dates and then can pull the hands out and he’s free and he enjoys the dates. Right. So the parallel the, you know, the moral of the story is we don’t want to hoard and we don’t want to be, we don’t wanna hold on so tightly right. That we kind of, you know, screw ourselves over. And then on the opposite end, we don’t want to just, you know, throw caution to the wind and completely, you know, drain ourselves. Um, because neither is it really a healthy relationship with money. Of course.

John Pisani (30:33): No, absolutely. You just have to be conscious of overextending. And I think that’s where, you know, some people you can get into a little bit of, of issues is when you start overextending, um, beyond far beyond what your, you know, what you, your normal budget would be and you know, and you just, sometimes it’s okay, but you know, you just, sometimes you have to, you just have to look at it and try to be really honest with yourself. Do I really need this? Is it something that I truly, it means so much to me and it does then, then it’s okay. And then, because if it, if when you honor yourself, like it’s the opposite you’re bringing in like, and then we’re talking about it abundance, but you’re bringing in an energy of like, there’s more to come and this because it’s something, you know, when you honor yourself, it’s so good and healthy for yourself and, and the, and it brings this energy in the universe that is abundant

Kimberly Snyder (31:27): And, and also what’s interesting is the chakra that’s associated with abundance is the root chakra, which is at literally at the root of the spine mola and the energy associated with it is earth. Which is why I think you’re so, um, good with money, John, because you have a lot of kaa energy, you have a lot of earth energy, right? So there’s this solidity to it. But when we think about creating, um, solidity in our life, so for instance, maybe putting some more resources or planning with our living situation, whether that’s planning ahead with rent or, you know, planning to buy a home in the future that creates a different relationship with money versus, like you were saying earlier, just sort of maybe spending money because um, you know, we’re not really thinking about it or planning ahead or we’re trying to impress people.

(32:25): And the reason I bring this up is, you know, when you get into a partnership, you have to work some of these things out. So when I got married to my husband, he, you know, neither of us had owned real estate and he was living this, you know, bachelor life and he was spending a lot of money on clothes and he was that guy that would pay for everyone’s dinner and just really sort of, you know, money coming in, money going out. But then after we met, we bought property together and now we have children. And so it changes your relationship and if you again, continue to evolve and adapt in life and your moar chakra, this energy of groundedness continues to develop, then you, you know, as you mature, you, you, you shift how you think about money and then there’s mortgages and things that come in.

(33:17): So you ground into that, right? That’s part of building the healthy relationship or maybe the way you are spending in your early twenties shifts later in life, right? So just seeing the things that are, we said this is individual for everyone that help us feel grounded and help us, um, feel good. But not everything is spent on just things that are fleeting. And you just don’t, you’re like, where did all my money go? Whether it’s a night out or a fancy dinner or you know, clothes for a season or whatever it is. We start to think about more of these solid longer term ways that money can create health throughout our lives.

John Pisani (33:58): No, absolutely. And that’s, you know, again, when you have a family, kids to support and a family to support, that’s, that’s a big shift. And, and you know, you’re providing, you’re raising your kids so that can add pressure and that’s where you really have to, you know, be in touch with yourself and, you know, because, and not getting so caught up in the pressure, because you obviously there’s a general baseline of providing for a family, for your husband, for your wife, family, whatever it may be. But once you are at that baseline or upper, it’s about the love within your family and it’s about the times together that, that really make you the happiest because that’s really life and you know, you see it, I remember traveling, you, you were there in India and other countries where you would see families that had so little, but they had the biggest smiles on their face and they couldn’t be happier people because of the love within their family and the love for each other. And that just superseded, even though they didn’t have big houses or cars and lots of money, they had each other and they found happiness in that.

Kimberly Snyder (35:15): Yeah. And it’s okay to go through these periods in your life where you spend a lot of money on fashion or, you know, I’ve gone through those periods as well. But you know, when you’re listening to this show, I think it’s good to just sit with yourself and journal and reflect about, you know, what does really make you feel good in your life and what creates, you know, if you’re, if you know what’s, what’s stressful, right? If you’re on the edge, maybe some of these things that were important to you, like having a million pairs of shoes. I mean, I used to spend a lot more money on clothes and now it’s just not important to me anymore. Um, but there’s no shame in it, right? We go up and down on these different, um, periods in our life. But it’s important I think, to evaluate, we don’t have to do the things that we always did in the same way.

(36:08): We don’t have to do everything that our friends are doing. We don’t have to keep up with the Joneses, so to speak. We don’t have to have this or that just because someone else has it. And so this comes from that, like you said, connecting to the inner energy and the inner space. Our hearts, our intuition. This is where meditation is so powerful because, and there’s the chapter in the book, the new book as well, about confidence when we ground into the deeper confidence of the money Pura chakra, which is really the I am that I am that Moses spoke of, I’m here so I’m confident because I’m here, not because of, you know, my outfit or my car or whatever it is. That also changes our relationship with money because we can still enjoy those things, but maybe we feel less pressure to get as much or to, you know, our, our spending habits may shift.

(37:09): And what’s happened for me is simplifying. So, um, you and I, you know, all along the journey we’ve, you know, done book tours together. We’ve traveled around a lot together. We’ve been in different cities and we used to eat out in restaurants a lot. Do you remember that? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it was like, okay, let’s go to pure food and wine, or let’s go to this new vegan restaurant in New York. And honestly now you love it when I cooked it <laugh>, right? We just like to be at home and cozy and we’re the kids. And um, you know, and there’s nothing wrong with eating in restaurants, but I think about how much money we spent and it was great at the time and sometimes we drink wine, the whole thing, right? But it shifts and it changes and that’s okay because it goes back to what makes us feel good. And for some people, and I have friends, you know, we know people that are, you know, major foodies. They really do want to spend money on their restaurants, but maybe they don’t spend as much on other areas or they don’t travel as much, or whatever it is. So I just think it’s important to be authentic in this healthy relationship with money and just to be self-aware of why we’re spending money where we don’t need to as much anymore or where we’re not drawn to. Um, because that self-awareness is part of that ongoing healthy relationship.

John Pisani (38:31): No, absolutely. I think you hit it a nail on the head. It’s, it’s o it’s okay if you’re a person that you feel great buying clothes and, and dressing and, and that is important to you and that makes you know you feel good and it’s authentic to you. Great. Everyone has their different areas where they’re like, oh, this makes, you know, I feel good when I’m doing this. Or, you know, and, and it’s, and it, and that’s okay. It’s funny, it reminded me, I can remember early when I first moved to Los Angeles and I had no money. I can remember falling into the trap of thinking, oh, I don’t want to date anybody because, I don’t, I don’t have money. And like I started to fall into, well, equating that. Well, I have no value if I can’t give anything monetarily and that was a big lesson to learn.

(39:19): that has nothing to do. then when as I started, even though I had the money, you realize, well, who I am, that’s enough. And it isn’t about, you know, and, and, and, but it’s a good, it can easily, you can fall into this of like, I, oh, I, I can never, I, I’m just, I’m just, I just have this, and so I can’t be with this person, this person. And, and that’s, it’s not true. It’s who you are as a person and what you’re giving from the inside that’s way more value than monetary.

Kimberly Snyder (39:47): Well, like attracts like, right? So if you are looking for, you know, real connection and love, then that is what you’ll attract. There are the people that, you know, are about the surface <laugh> and they tend to attract each other, right? The stereotypical kind of Lamborghini driver, like, you know, whatever, like surface flashy person with another flashy person. And again, there, there’s nothing wrong with that either. But, um, you know, this deeper connection, which, you know, I would guarantee will all of us listening to this show right now, what we attract in our community about love and just wanting to feel good in our lives in an authentic way, um, in a sustainable way. We’re, we’re learning, we’re growing, we’re learning more about ourselves is like you said, just just tuning into the energy on the inside and seeing how that unfolds externally. And that is part of this, when we talk about this abundance mindset, which is not focusing on what is not there, not focusing on lack, but really just, hey, what, what’s here?

(40:59): What’s in my heart? What I can offer is never ending, never depleting love and compassion and care and being present, right? And so when we bring that to life, when we bring that into our relationships and we bring that into our work, the care and these small steps that really does add up into success, both in fulfillment and success in, um, you know, financially. I think about, you know, in book writing and I look, I reflect on the books where I’m not really thinking and in my head, but I’m just focusing on, okay, this is the best, what is the best sentence I could write right now in the best paragraph? And how much can I share in this, in this book, right? So this last book, the, the you are more than You Think you Are book just felt so clear to me and it was so direct what I wanted to share, you know, and it continue, it’s done well, which is great, but that really wasn’t my focus in writing it.

(42:03): Um, so it goes back to this healthy relationship of understanding that everything, this energy and the inside does create the outer and being aware, but not obsessed and not beating ourselves up and not focusing on the lack, but just really, um, continuing to, to check in and see what’s authentic and to spend money on what feels good to us and to tip generously and to be grateful for others, but never to be, you know, to feel pressure, to be inauthentic or to, um, you know, overspend money just for, you know, to impress other people or in ways that doesn’t, that don’t feel good to us personally.

John Pisani (42:44): Yes. I mean all of that. And I, I think, you know, we hit on a little bit, but not losing yourself value in your self value, not tying it to all to monetary success. I think sometimes, you know, that’s kind of, again, we measure ourselves Yes. And we can lose our self-worth and thinking in that way.

Kimberly Snyder (43:10): So I recently did a post about true success and I was talking about my father. He’s done okay in his, you know, career. But it’s been amazing seeing him, especially in these years after my mom passed away. And you know, him Jong how much he’s grown in inner peace. So he used to, you know, watch a lot of screens and be really restless and want to go here and there and run errands and go to the coffee shop. There was just this restless energy that you could sense, maybe not like crazily, but it was there, like for those of us that knew him really well, and he just found a way to move through the grief and to let go. And he’s create, recreated his life. He’s leading lives in Thailand, and then he comes back here with us and the level of just peace. He’s just there when he is with us.

(44:02): He’s there, he is playing with the kids. He doesn’t have his phone out, he doesn’t care about watching anything. He’s not in his head. That peace is just screams true success to me. You know, because we’ve all been around people that have the wealth and they don’t feel peaceful and they don’t really enjoy their lives. And I don’t know, I don’t think any of us want that. So if we get to this place, you know, we call this the feel good podcast because it’s about connection. We connecting to our hearts, we keep connecting to our intuition. We learn how to better care for ourselves with our food choices, with our digestion, with our body, with our relationships and our emotional wellbeing. And, you know, the cream of all of it that the crowning, you know, um, part of this that ties it all together is spiritual growth because that means we’re connecting with the true self inside of us.

(44:55): And so that’s the core, right? And so once we connect to that, we feel joyful, we feel naturally peaceful, we become naturally magnetic. Our abundance tends to grow more and more without this over fixation. And so my dad, to me is such an amazing example of real success. So, um, and I would say too, for you, John, you are also one of my, you know, examples of success because you’ve just grown so much in your, um, confidence in your natural, you know, just beingness. You’re very grounded and you don’t really get frazzled that much and you’re just ha peaceful and happy doing things on your own, or you’re happy doing them with a bunch of people and really, you know, that’s, that’s priceless.

John Pisani (45:47): Yeah, it is. So, and I spent many years chasing the dragon of, of just nonstop, nonstop. Never. Yeah. You know, and, and thinking, okay, I’m at the top of the thing. And then you realize, oh, wait a minute, this is not fun, <laugh>, because, because I can remember times thinking back when looking at my bank account when I had nothing, but there I, I was happier or free, it felt freer and mm-hmm. And not in my head so much and not, and so then you, I had to realize, okay, there’s so much more. And when you start, you know, looking within yourself and, and freeing yourself, you know, and like again, of course the, the bare necessities, you know, having a roof over your head eating that, of course we’re not, we’re not talking at that level. We’re talking as what, you know, at a level when you’re, you know, living a somewhat normal life, you’re just letting go of that attachment of, of always that’s going to bring happiness. And yes it can certainly provide things, but there’s a deeper place that you can go that is far, is really a beautiful place as far as feeling joy in your life, no matter whether you have $10 or 10 million.

Kimberly Snyder (47:03): Exactly. So, thank you so much, John, for joining us today. And again, I love that we got to talk about this from a, you know, just not a practical, you know, um, there’s, you know, plenty of books and things that are about, you know, I, I don’t even know all the terms, just, you know, the brokerage and the real detail. What we’re talking about here is the holistic thinking about this from a broad, energetic, expansive perspective. And so thank you so much for joining us today, John, that was amazing getting to talk to you about this. Thank you for sharing with all of us and my loves. Thank you so much for tuning in again, as always, we value you as part of our community. We are so grateful for our sacred connection as we continue to march forward. We’re here to grow, we’re here to expand, we’re here to support each other.

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