Ep. 1045 | The Science-Backed Benefits of Nature for Better Health and Well-Being with Clara Schroeder
Description In this episode, Kimberly sits down with eco-therapist and author Clara Schroeder to explore the powerful connection between nature and our mental, emotional, and physical well-being. From the calming effect of natural environments on the nervous system to the role nature plays in cognitive development and resilience, this conversation uncovers the science behind why we feel better when we reconnect with the natural world. Clara shares how modern, fast-paced lifestyles filled with screens, stress, and constant stimulation can leave us feeling disconnected, and how even small, intentional shifts can begin to restore balance. Whether it is stepping outside for a mindful walk, bringing natural elements into your home, or simply noticing the sky, these simple practices can have a profound impact on mood, clarity, and overall health. Together, Kimberly and Clara also explore the deeper emotional and spiritual layers of our relationship with nature, including how it can support healing, self-awareness, and a greater sense of connection. Even if you live in a busy urban environment, this episode offers accessible, practical ways to bring more nature into your daily life, helping you feel more grounded, present, and aligned. Episode Chapters 00:00 Clara & Kimberly 00:01 The Healing Power of Nature 06:02 Color and Nature: A Path to Mindfulness 12:09 The Relationship Between Humans and Nature 20:20 Navigating the Ecological Crisis 27:46 Creating Nature Altars for Connection 35:43 Social Justice and Nature Connection Sponsors ANIMA MUNDI Anima Mundi is offering Feel Good Podcast listeners their biggest discount of the year. It is the perfect time to treat yourself, or someone you love, to grounding and nourishing self-care. Use code SOLLUNA20 for 20% off your purchase at AnimaMundiHerbals.com. FEEL GOOD SBO PROBIOTICS+ Support your gut, digestion, and overall well-being with Solluna’s Feel Good SBO Probiotics, a daily favorite for foundational wellness. Use code PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order at mysolluna.com. Clara Schroeder Resources Book: Re-Nature: How Nature Helps Us Feel Better and Do Better Website: claraschroeder.com Bio: Clara Schroeder is an Ecotherapist, speaker, and author at the intersection of climate and mental health. Her book, Re-Nature, offers a powerful roadmap for cultivating sustainable wellbeing in a rapidly changing world, bridging neuroscience, nature, and practical resilience strategies for modern professionals. With a Master's in Psychology and Education from Columbia University, and certifications in Co-Active Coaching and Ecotherapy, Clara helps high-achieving leaders and medical professionals build the mental resilience they need not just to succeed, but to thrive. Her workshops, retreats, and one-on-one programs combine evidence-based tools with deep compassion, creating space for transformation that’s both personal and planetary. Having lived in eight countries and fluent in four languages, Clara brings a rare global lens to her work. She’s collaborated with organizations like Microsoft, UCSF, and Terumo Neuro, delivering nature-based wellness programs and burnout prevention strategies in some of the world’s most high-pressure environments. At the heart of her mission is a commitment to reweaving the connection between human wellbeing and planetary health. Whether guiding a corporate retreat in the redwoods or speaking on resilience in frontline healthcare, Clara creates warm, inclusive spaces where growth feels possible and deeply human. TRANSCRIPT Disclaimer: This is an automated transcript and may contain occasional errors or minor inaccuracies. Kimberly Snyder (00:01) Welcome back to our show. Clara, thank you so much for being here with us today to chat about nature and re-naturing. Clara Schroeder (00:10) Thank you, Kimberly. I’m happy to be here. Kimberly Snyder (00:13) You’re catching me just a day or so after coming back from our farm, Clara. We were chatting a little bit before the show, and I find it very powerful. I’m very humbly grateful that we get to spend time in a very wild place. Even where I live on the mainland, we live in the mountains. Not everybody has that opportunity, which we’ll talk about on the show today—tips and tools to support people. But it’s the feeling of revival. There’s a feeling of wilding, of fullness. It’s kind of hard to put into words. If you could share a little bit, maybe from your expertise and your experience—you counsel people, and what is the word we use? Clara Schroeder (01:03) Ecotherapy. Kimberly Snyder (01:09) Ecotherapy. Yes. Maybe just to start us off, could you share a little bit of the grounded science behind it? I know many of us feel good when we’re in the woods or in the sunshine, but from checking out your book, I know there’s quite a bit of science behind it—cognitive development in children and so much more. Maybe we’ll start there. Clara Schroeder (01:21) Yeah. The science behind why nature is so important is becoming more and more accessible, which is really important in helping spread this message. We know that nature in an office building—even just having plants indoors, whether they’re real or fake—can boost productivity, creativity, and collaboration for employees. I think it’s by around 6 percent, and this comes from the Harvard Business Review. There have also been studies showing that people in hospitals who can see trees, or even have a TV showing a waterfall, heal faster and feel better. Their hope for recovery is higher. Those are some of the basic statistics I think of first. But in terms of what nature does to our brains, we live in an overly digitized world, right? We’re always single-focused, overloaded, and receiving constant input from our phones, media, news, and everything else. Nature operates on a different rhythm. It’s more connected and interconnected. There’s something in nature that we don’t really get in technology called fractal patterns—rhythmic repetition in structure. That is incredibly soothing to our psyche and our minds. Nature as a whole helps shift us out of sympathetic nervous system activation and into parasympathetic regulation. It also provides a sense of safety. The amygdala can relax because it can predict what’s coming next. If you’re walking through the woods, you know there will be trees. If you’re on a beach, like you were in Hawaii, you know there will be water and sand. You can relax into the landscape. Compared to the constant consumption of information in our daily lives, that is so healing, and it’s something that gets overlooked. Kimberly Snyder (03:35) Can you talk a little bit about the role of color? I know you touch on this in your book when you give tips for people who don’t have access to living on an island or in the forest—how they can bring nature’s colors in and some of the benefits. Clara Schroeder (03:43) Yeah, for sure. I think green, as a color in itself, is really powerful. There are studies showing that if you look at something green—and it has to be something natural, so it could be an indoor plant for people living in a city, or a terrarium—it can have a regulating effect. I had a client once who built a little terrarium in her home during winter. She had limited mobility, so for her, that was a form of play. That was nature inside the home. Basically, if you look at the color green for two minutes without distraction, it can reduce cortisol levels in your blood and help you regulate and feel more grounded. A lot of this comes back to mindfulness and paying attention. There’s also something people call a “color walk,” which is like a mindfulness-based walking meditation where you intentionally look at the colors and textures of nature around you, even if you live in a city. For people living in the city, you can usually still see the sky. Even just acknowledging that—what color is the sky today? What do the clouds look like? Can you sense the oxygen being released from whatever plant life exists around you? Because if you didn’t have those trees or plants, you wouldn’t be breathing. Oxygen is our breath. That’s part of the interconnectedness I encourage people to lean into when they don’t know where to start. Just look up at the sky if you can’t see a park nearby, or take a walk to a park. Kimberly Snyder (05:33) It’s so funny because I’m naturally really drawn to color in the environment and also in what I’m wearing, Clara. My husband was teasing me today because I’m wearing this bright blue sweater, and he said I looked like one of the Muppets. I said, “That’s funny, because to me the blue is the sky, it’s the ocean—that’s what I associate it with.” But people do have different connotations. I wonder how this shows up, let’s say, with seasonal affective disorder. I used to live in New York City, and it was very challenging for me not only to not have sunlight for a long time, but also to feel really cooped up. There’s a natural rhythm to nature where it’s not green all the time, unless you happen to live in California or Hawaii. There are the seasonal colors of fall and then more whiteness if you live somewhere snowy. Do you feel like moving with those natural rhythms inside your space to keep the connection is powerful? Or is it more helpful to restore green year-round no matter what’s happening outside? Clara Schroeder (06:48) I think it depends a little bit on where you’re at in life and what you’re needing. I don’t like to give a one-size-fits-all answer because everyone is different. But what’s most important is understanding the cycles—the cyclical nature of nature and of us as humans, because we are such a big part of nature and the ecosystem, even though we often live as if we’re not. If the trees outside have dropped their leaves because it’s winter or late fall and everything is going dormant, that matters. We have bears here in Northern California, and they’re sleeping and hibernating this time of year. Even just acknowledging that the seasons are here to help us can be powerful. They’re cues that help us slow down and rest. Then we ramp back up as spring comes, as blossoms and flowers return. Just acknowledging that shift is important. At the same time, if you’re in a super demanding job—like in New York City, where I also lived during grad school—and you need more vitality, then tools like sun lamps or UV lights that mimic sunlight can help. People in Northern Europe, for example, don’t get sun for a long time each year, so this can help support energy levels. You can also bring in more plants and more greenery, as long as you’re also acknowledging that maybe you need to slow down a little in winter. Maybe take some time off if you can, or do a little bit less, so you’re matching the energy outside of yourself. Because if we’re go, go, go all the time, and winter and fall come by and we don’t slow down, we burn out. I see that all the time—people going full-throttle into the new year and then crashing by late February or early March. Some of that could be avoided if we gave in a bit more to what’s happening in the natural environment. Kimberly Snyder (09:10) What you’re describing is so in tune with Ayurvedic medicine, which I’ve studied for many years, and this wisdom of tuning in with the elements. The Pancha Mahabhuta theory is the five elements in our body and the five elements in nature. Like you said, there’s a different rhythm to winter and then this more outward, rajasic expression of summer. So instead of overriding nature, we can feel that flow. Going back to Hawaii for a second, Clara, one of the things I love is how communal it is. My kids go to the playground every day and play with local kids. I’ve gotten to talk with some amazing local Hawaiian families who’ve been there for many generations. I was talking to this dad named Freddie, and he was speaking about the sacredness of where we are. He was talking about the energy in the stones—the lava rocks are very sacred to Hawaiians—and in the trees. I’ve encountered that in Shinto and in other cultures in Japan as well. Can you speak a little bit about how someone who feels disconnected from nature—in this screen-centric world, especially if they live in an urban environment—can start re-fostering that connection? Maybe it doesn’t have to be on the level of hugging rocks and trees, but how do we reconnect with that reverence and that intelligence? We are not divorced from it. No matter how we live or where we live, there is that intrinsic deep connection. Clara Schroeder (10:40) Yeah, I totally agree. And as a side note, when I think of rocks, I think of forest bathing. I’ve gotten to practice it, though I’m not an expert. A rock can be such a grounding place to let your burden rest. I’ve invited people, or been invited myself, to sit on a rock if they’re drawn to it and ask if the rock can carry some of that burden for them. There’s so much we can do with the elements. And that’s part of why I called the book Re-Nature. It’s about reverence, reciprocity, relationship, and reconnection—all the words you were using. I think those are so vital in our world today. I’ll be more specific and talk about the Westernized world, because I want to acknowledge that many Indigenous cultures—Native American cultures in the U.S. and Indigenous cultures globally—still have this built into their spirituality and daily life. In the Westernized world, part of the process is remembering that your body is at least 70 percent water, that the air you breathe comes from the trees, that every time you have tea, water, or coffee, those leaves or beans came from somewhere—from a specific soil, a specific climate, and human hands that helped bring them to you. It’s really about tuning in more to what’s right in front of us. There’s an example in the book about walking through Central Park with a friend. We were talking, and I stopped because a pigeon was taking a bath in a puddle. I said, “Look, the pigeon is taking a bath.” And she said, “Clara, how did you even notice that?” For me, that kind of noticing is natural because I was raised to appreciate those little moments. And then those moments can create spontaneous awe—sometimes what’s called kamamuta—a spontaneous feeling of joy, love, and connection that can happen in nature or elsewhere. All of those ways of paying attention, leaning in, and relating to the more-than-human world matter. It’s not just “nature.” It’s more than human. We live in such a dominant human perspective all the time, but really, we’re just guests on this planet and on this land. Kimberly Snyder (13:39) I know what you mean, and I feel like there are powerful messages beyond words. We talk about communication that happens nonverbally. For example, just last week I was hearing how many birds there are where we are. We’re very close to the wild part of the island—about 80 percent of it is uninhabited by humans and there are no roads. We’re right on the edge of that. There are hundreds of birds and roosters. I had this deep spiritual lesson from them. Those birds are just being themselves. They’re not trying to be something else. They’re not worrying about how they’re perceived or what the other birds think. There’s a purity in their call—it comes from their heart, from deep inside of them. The same with the bullfrogs, the same with all the creatures. There are such lessons in that, because I think as humans, so much of our time and energy is spent worrying about how we appear—our masks, our identities. Nature puts us in this place of authenticity. It’s like a hug saying, “Just be who you are.” And it’s very refreshing, isn’t it? Clara Schroeder (15:18) Yeah. I appreciate everything you’re saying. There’s also a rawness to nature. It can be wild, intense, and even violent, but also soft, inviting, and welcoming. It reflects all parts of humanity, too. I think acknowledging that mirror is really important. Kimberly Snyder (15:38) Yes. Two things come up when you mention that. It’s not always soft, and there is a wildness to it. We humans want to control things because it makes us feel safe. Otherwise, fight-or-flight gets triggered. But that’s the fallacy—we don’t actually control everything. A couple of weeks ago, I was hiking with my sons here on the mainland. I had such a traumatic moment that I’m still processing. They were ahead of me, and I was taking a picture. Right off the trail was a baby rattlesnake. They didn’t see it. I’m always saying, “Be on the lookout, be on the lookout.” When I saw it, my face froze. I was trying to tell them to go the other way, but their instinct was to run back toward me. The snake didn’t move and everything was fine, but then of course I went and researched that a snake can seem asleep and still strike half its body length. I started having all these horrible thoughts and fears. We talked about it afterward and I said, “Mama will always walk first.” But there is a wildness when you go out and don’t control everything. And then the other part, Clara, is the story in your book about fire trauma. I have fire trauma. We saw fire coming over the ridge. Our boys’ school was taken. The fire came from three directions within half a mile of our house. So even to this day, turning on our gas stove to make tea, or adding fire to our fireplace, can activate something in me. So there’s trauma. It’s a big topic, but while we can heal in nature, nature can also create its own forms of trauma if we’re trying to live a life of control and then realize so much is out of control. Clara Schroeder (17:11) Thank you for sharing those experiences. I think what you’re describing is something a lot of people can relate to at this point. Many people have some kind of trauma related to a natural disaster—or climate disaster, as some people prefer to call it. Then there’s also the danger of recreating outdoors and not being able to control the environment. That gets reflected back to you. So the question becomes: can you recreate within a threshold that feels comfortable? I would never take a client with no outdoor experience onto a remote trail. I’d stay in an urban park. It sounds like you were aware of the dangers that could be present, and then it becomes a matter of education and adapting. And it happens. It’s part of nature. It’s raw and wild. In terms of healing the relationship, I’m always interested in how people are relating to nature. With climate disasters accelerating and natural disasters becoming more common, yes, we are resilient, and I can talk about resilience a lot. But we also have to acknowledge what is happening to our relationship with nature. It becomes easy to demonize it and personify it—to say, “Nature is fighting back,” or “Nature is aggressive,” or “Nature is trying to destroy us.” When you’re in a trauma state, that’s easy to do. You’re projecting your fear and experience outward, and that’s a completely normal human reaction. I remember interviewing a hurricane survivor who told me, “I’m looking forward to the day, if there is one, when I can swim in this river again”—the same river that had taken so many lives and homes. Six to eight months later, she emailed me and said, “Today was the first time I went back into the river with my son.” They did it carefully, with precautions, because there were still submerged obstacles. But reconnecting with something that had also been destructive was incredibly meaningful. I don’t have all the answers. I don’t have easy solutions. But I invite people into a non-dual lens—a non-dualistic perspective where it doesn’t have to be good or bad. There’s a gray area. How do we live in a world with accelerating ecological crisis, while also recognizing that we are finding solutions through technology and through fields like ecotherapy that can support communities in building resilience? Kimberly Snyder (20:52) Yes. And for me, it’s empowering to know we don’t control everything, but our daily choices do matter so much. How we eat, for example. The products we use. It breaks my heart every time I see pictures of the Brazilian rainforest being torched every day, largely because of cattle farming, and then also because of GMO soy grown to feed the cattle. My family except for my husband happens to be plant-based because it feels like a lighter load spiritually and physically. I teach this to my children, and they are very connected to animals. That part lands with them. But I also explain a little bit about deforestation. Again, we don’t control what corporations are doing on a larger scale, but we can educate ourselves and ask how we can tread a little more lightly on the earth—with reverence and care, not just from the perspective of “this is what I want” or “this is what tastes good to me,” but with more of that oneness and awareness. Going back to the healing and the practical side of things, I’ve seen you share micro-shifts people can make. Let’s say someone spends a lot of time indoors in the city. They go to the gym, they go to a co-working space or an office, or they work from home. Other than taking vacations into nature, what are some tangible ways they can start bringing in that energy and that connection? Clara Schroeder (22:51) I always encourage people, if they can, to go for a walk either in the middle of the workday or after work because it breaks up the monotony of grinding all day. By then, your creative brain is usually shut down. If you’re able to walk, even in an urban environment, just going for a walk, breathing fresh air, and paying attention can make a huge difference. It’s always about opening your mind to what else is there. Can I put my phone on Do Not Disturb for 20 minutes? A 20-minute walk outside three times a week minimum can do a lot for your mental and physical health. There are also studies showing that if you go for a walk after work, you’re more productive the next day. It’s not always about productivity, but it is relevant. Other than that, even just waking up in the morning and acknowledging the weather can help. I’m the type of person who has to see outside when I wake up. I need to know what’s happening. It helps orient my body, mind, and heart. What kind of pattern am I seeing in the weather, the trees, or whatever is happening where I am in the world? And then I check in with myself. How does that make me feel? If it’s winter and I haven’t seen the sun for a week or more, what can I do to support myself? Can I eat a little more seasonally? What winter dish would make me feel warm and nourished? How can I adapt to what’s happening without letting it consume me in a negative way? My good-morning ritual is to check in with the weather, check in with myself, and express gratitude for what I’m having for tea, coffee, or breakfast. Can I think about all the interconnected ways that food got to me? And then is there an intention around how I’m living? I see this all the time with friends and clients: work comes first. And I get that you have to survive in the world. But can your body be a vessel for connecting with nature? Can it be a vessel for seeing something outside yourself? It could literally be your houseplant. I don’t care if it’s a houseplant—there’s no judgment. I talk to my houseplants all the time because they’re alive, just like we are. That can be a starting point. And then maybe you begin noticing birds. Maybe you start looking for wildlife. I think of Central Park in Manhattan there’s so much wildlife there, from raccoons to turtles to hawks and owls. You just have to look for it. Once you widen your mind and perspective to the more-than-human world, and remember that you belong to it too, things begin to shift emotionally and physically. Kimberly Snyder (26:13) I love that. These are such simple, accessible ways we can bring in nature. Something else I love to do and you mention this in your book—is the idea of a focal point or altar. “Altar” can sound very spiritual, but it can also simply be a place where we gather energy. My kids go to a Waldorf school, which is so beautifully attuned to nature and the inner child. It’s magical. I’m a huge fan of Waldorf. There are always different altars on their tables with natural objects and little seasonal gatherings from nature. I think that’s something powerful we can do no matter where we live. Even in a big city whether you live in Houston, Chicago, New York, London, or wherever—you can gather twigs, acorns, stones, or shells and place them somewhere you’ll see them, like in your kitchen. You can build a simple nature altar in your home. To me, that’s a way for reverence and focus to remain in your space no matter where you live. Clara Schroeder (27:52) Absolutely. I love altars. They can also remind you of places you’ve been and let you keep a piece of that place with you. If it’s a seashell you collected when you were feeling really good, can you tune into that energy before you start your day? Or at the end of your day? A visualization exercise can help people remember a place in nature they love and reconnect to how they felt there. I think an altar or a meaningful object can do something similar for our energy body. Kimberly Snyder (28:41) So if someone is experiencing stuckness maybe they’re trying to work through trauma from childhood, violence, or something else how can being in nature, perhaps alongside other therapies, help rebalance or release stuck energy in the body and mind? Clara Schroeder (29:07) I believe that when we work intentionally with nature whether on our own or with a guide nature mirrors things back to us. If I’m working with a client who feels stuck, or is experiencing flashbacks or memories, there’s often something in the environment that stands out to them. It might be a spontaneous nature event a hawk flying overhead, leaves on the ground, or some element in the landscape they’re drawn to. We naturally create meaning. That’s part of being human. We are relational beings. So nature provides a container where a person may suddenly notice that something in their body shifts as they relate to what they’re seeing outside. Compared to therapy or coaching in an office or over Zoom, there’s a different kind of input from the environment something outside ourselves that helps us reconnect not only with ourselves, but with something bigger as well. That relationship can be incredibly powerful. It can help something shift, evolve, and become unstuck. Kimberly Snyder (31:06) I think it’s also working with the elements. Whether we’re conscious of it or not, there’s a subconscious rebalancing that happens. You mentioned stones. I know for me, if I go into the desert, there’s just such groundedness and quiet. Usually I think I’m not really a desert person because I love the lushness of the jungle. But when I go to the desert, a different message comes through. It’s stark and clear. It’s like a mirror. I look more deeply at myself and my shadows. Then the nurturing, watery flow of the island supports in a different way. From an Ayurvedic point of view, so many of us are in vata there’s a lot of air and movement. We can feel spacey, anxious, overwhelmed. So that kapha energy of sitting on a rock, sitting on the earth, or grounding into something heavier can help create those shifts you’re talking about. Clara Schroeder (32:05) Yeah. And along with that, I invite people, when they’re home, to walk without socks or shoes if they can. It’s best to walk on soil or grass, but that’s not always accessible. Still, even letting your toes directly touch the ground helps. It’s a simple at-home way to ground if it’s warm enough, if it’s clean enough just walk barefoot and plug into that greater ecosystem, that deeper energy beneath you. Kimberly Snyder (32:42) That’s beautiful. And we know there’s so much research on grounding, ions, and electromagnetic frequencies. It feels so good. It’s always nice when the science confirms what we already feel experientially. Clara Schroeder (32:45) Yeah, it really is. And I’ve seen more interest in this work over time. The movement is growing. People are starting to tune in and realize these things matter. I once gave a talk at a big biotech company. I was in a room with huge floor-to-ceiling windows, and all the blinds were shut. I said, “First things first—those blinds need to come up, you guys.” There were plants outside. You could see nature. We’re so conditioned by the way we live and operate in this human-centric world, but there are so many ways we can start expanding beyond that. Kimberly Snyder (33:55) It’s surprising, isn’t it? And a little sad. There are so many ways we can become disconnected. When we’re away from our true nature—literally—we don’t feel as peaceful or as whole. I also think it affects our views of beauty. When you go into nature and see a gnarled tree or branches going in all different directions, there isn’t this idea of perfection or the glossy sameness that gets imposed on women today. There’s a naturalness there. I think it helps us accept our own natural beauty. Clara Schroeder (34:35) Yeah. I think it’s an invitation into self-acceptance, self-compassion, and even self-love—which, for some of my clients, can feel like a stretch. Nature doesn’t pretend. It doesn’t mask. Sometimes birds in mating rituals make themselves look especially beautiful, but in general, nature just is. And there’s something really healing in that. Kimberly Snyder (34:56) As time goes on, I find the people I see as most beautiful are the ones who are most authentic and most themselves in their own natural skin. That doesn’t mean they can’t wear makeup or do whatever they want—it’s not about that. It’s more about ease. That ease. So thank you so much, Clara, for chatting with us today. Is there anything else we didn’t cover that you’d like to share with our community about your philosophy or your new book, Re-Nature? Clara Schroeder (35:51) I think we covered a lot. I just want to acknowledge that some people—including myself—have had a lot of privilege in being able to access these spaces. I can’t talk about this work without acknowledging the social justice components that come with anything environmental. I want to help create more equitable access to nature, because not everyone has the same opportunities, safety, or history when it comes to being in outdoor spaces. That matters, and it needs to be part of the conversation. Kimberly Snyder (38:34) Thank you for bringing that up. I know you cover that in your book as well, so thank you for acknowledging it. And also, the oneness, the wildness, the energy in nature belongs to all of us. We are all underneath the same sky. We are all one. That energy runs through everyone and every part of nature. That’s such a powerful message, and one that can help decrease separation in the world. Clara Schroeder (38:46) That’s the goal. Kimberly Snyder (39:01) Thank you so much, Clara, for sharing your wisdom with us and for your new book, again called Re-Nature: How Nature Helps Us Feel Better and Do Better. Tell us where we can find out more about your work and where we can get your new book. Clara Schroeder (39:19) Thanks for having me, Kimberly. I have a website, claraschroeder.com. I’m on Instagram, and I have a Substack—I’m sure you’ll link those in the show notes. The book is available on Amazon and at Barnes & Noble in the U.S. It’s also available through pretty much any local bookstore, which I always encourage people to support. Some independent bookstores here in California carry it in person, and if your local bookstore doesn’t have it, they should be able to order it for you. Kimberly Snyder (39:49) Amazing. Support the locals. Well, thank you so much, Clara. We’ll link all of Clara’s resources in our show notes at mysolluna.com, with two Ls. I encourage you to share this episode with anyone you think would benefit—anyone who could use a little more nature or connection to nature in their lives. You never know how you might spark or re-spark that deep connection, which can truly improve someone’s life. I’m also on social at @_kimberlysnyder. I’ll see you all back here in just a few days. Until then, take great care and sending you all so much love.
