How to Heal Your Mind by Changing Toxic Thoughts with Dr. Caroline Leaf [Episode #633]
This week’s topic is: How to Heal Your Mind by Changing Toxic Thoughts with Dr. Caroline Leaf
I am so excited to have my very special guest, Dr. Caroline Leaf, who is a communication pathologist and cognitive neuroscientist with a Masters and PhD in Communication Pathology and a BSc Logopaedics. Listen in as Dr. Leaf shares what toxic thoughts are doing to your body, healing unhealthy memories, and how visualization can influence your external world, and so much more.
If changing painful memories is possible…
Demystifying and simplifying the psychobabble around neuroscience…
Mind management and how it affects your internal energy…
What toxic thoughts are doing to your bodily systems…
Healing unhealthy memories…
Visualization and how this influences harmony in your external world…
About Dr. Caroline Leaf
Dr. Caroline Leaf is a communication pathologist and cognitive neuroscientist with a Masters and PhD in Communication Pathology and a BSc Logopaedics, specializing in cognitive and metacognitive neuropsychology. Since the early 1980s she has researched the mind-brain connection, the nature of mental health, and the formation of memory and was one of the first in her field to study how the brain can change (neuroplasticity) with directed mind input.
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Kimberly: 00:00 Hi Beauties. Welcome back to our Monday interview podcast, where I am so excited for our very special guest today. Her name is Dr. Carolyn Leaf. She is a communication pathologist and cognitive neuroscientist, and she specializes, especially in the formation of memory and the nature of mental health and the mind brain connection. She is a fascinating woman and we had an extra long podcast interview today because I had so many questions for her. It’s a very robust information packed interview, which I think is absolutely fascinating. As we get into Dr. Carolyn’s work, we will learn that how our mind is not just in the brain and some other very eyeopening information, which we can then use to inform our self-awareness and our daily lives and continue to really, um, introspect and understand ourselves more. And the more we understand ourselves, the better we are able to go forward in freedom and more, um, fulfillment and peace in our lives.
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Interview with Dr. Caroline Leaf
Kimberly: 00:00:14 Dr. Leaf, it’s so wonderful to have you on the show today. I’ve been a big fan of your work for awhile, and so, wow. Here we are to speaking. Thank you for taking the time.
Dr. Leaf: 00:00:29 Oh, thank you, Kimberly. It’s great to meet you a fan of your stuff too, so wonderful. If we can connect like this.
Kimberly: 00:00:36 So I actually saw in your, um, I was waiting on your website doctor that you’re born in Zimbabwe, which is a country. I actually traveled through quite a bit when I was backpacking in Africa. So I camped all across.
Dr. Leaf: 00:00:48 Oh, wow. That’s amazing. Yeah. When was that? Was that quite recently?
Kimberly: 00:00:54 Um, this was back in, I think I’m terrible with years. I think it was a 2006.
Dr. Leaf: 00:01:00 Wow. So then even when things are still unstable, they sought the safest country to backpack in. So that would be beautiful, but it’s a beautiful country,
Kimberly: 00:01:08 You know, it was, you know, I know there’s been a lot of instability over over the years, but, um, the land is beautiful and I have to say the people as an amazing big hearts, so connected and open and loving and Mary, one of my favorite,
Dr. Leaf: 00:01:24 The countries, it is, it’s a beautiful country. We unfortunately live when I was 33 young, there was so many years of problems. They grew up in South Africa and I’ve only been back to visit once. So, um, but I gotta get back there. So that’s lovely. You’ve been wonderful.
Kimberly: 00:01:39 So, I mean, there’s so many questions I have for you, Dr. Leaf, I’m really fascinated about your work, especially with memory and, um, you know, one of the things that I, um, you know, just speaking personally, I wonder, I’ve asked this question before to some different scientists and we, I know we have different, you know, aspects of research in different ways of approaching this, but I think all of us have these painful memories, you know, growing up ways that, um, you know, how we define trauma things that make us feel small or not good enough and that they feel like we spend our whole lives trying to reframe things and trying to overcome some of these memories. So I guess my first question, Dr. Leaf is, is it possible to really change our memories or are we just, you know, do we just have to find tools to cope with some memories that are painful and detrimental perhaps to our sense of self or self-esteem.
If changing painful memories is possible
Dr. Leaf: 00:02:34 Excellent question. And the good, the good answer too. I mean the most basic answer to that is absolutely we can change. We can’t change what’s happened to us, but we can change what’s in us and how it plays out into a future. We have control over that and that’s been, my life’s work is to understand how we got the memory into our mind brain and body in the first place. And that’s what the process is. And then can we reverse process and change it and change how we play out into the future? So that’s been predicative research in the field working with a multitude of different, um, different types of patients battled with things like paramedic, brain injury and Demetrius and autism and severe tumor from whatever. And then just being a human. It’s not just people that are betting with extreme situations, but just being human and being alive.
Dr. Leaf: 00:03:23 As you quite rightly say, just being alive, you, you, can’t not have, you can have the greatest parents and still have trauma memories because you know what happens at school and, you know, parents come to the party with issues and that is going to play out in the parenting. So regardless how, how well-intentioned we can be as a parent, I’m a parent of four kids. You can be as well-intentioned set on, never do what my parents did. Absolutely your own set of things. And you’ll do some of what they did because it’s it parses epigenetically. And so we’ve actually saw that in your life. So, so yes, absolutely we can. And the way Kimberly to do that is to understand what it may mean is, and there’s so much psychology. I hate to use the word, but don’t know the better word. There’s so much psychobabble in this world that, and social media is just so full of so much advice, which is fantastic, but it can be very, very overwhelming.
Dr. Leaf: 00:04:11 And there’s a lot of words thrown off by psychologists that, um, are, can be very confusing for people. So what I’ve tried to do is to try and demystify a lot of those and use very basic terms to help people, because I don’t want you to have to be reliant on me as a therapist to help yourself. I want you to be powered to help yourself. So my work has been around understanding made me mindful to particular emotions, what there are demystifying all the psychobabble and the neuroscience and make it very simple for people so that you can change those change, how those memories play out into a future.
Demystifying and simplifying the psychobabble around neuroscience
Kimberly: 00:04:44 And I know you have so many different resources for us, including all your wonderful books. Um, if you could just give us like a basic understanding of, you know, you mentioned mind, brain emotions, feelings, and there’s this babble. And sometimes we don’t know what to believe inside of us. You know, our minds are saying, you know what? I can speak from personal experience. I wouldn’t have used the term neglect. I mean, I want to use the term trauma Dr. Leaf years ago, but now I think, you know, my parents were really, you know, they did their best. They loved me. They were working a lot. So there was a level of, of, you know, being me being left on my own a lot of, well, we use the word neglect, um, just, you know, emotionally in many different ways. So I kind of had to cope and I had to find ways to feel that validation and filled that love. So sometimes now as an adult, as I go deeper into my own, self-awareness sometimes I think it’s hard for all of us. Is this a trigger? Is this truth? Is this a memory playing out? Is this an authentic feeling? It gets confusing sometimes when we’re really trying to find the path of the voice of what to follow.
Dr. Leaf: 00:05:50 I love that you said that Kimberly and it is because I listened to, I get interviewed by so many people and I interview so many people in the field. I written many articles and our rights as articles and that, that confusion of the terminology is key in, I think keeping people stuck because we don’t quite know what we dealing with. And as you say, emotions, feelings or whatever. So we needed to find those. So maybe that’s where I can start is to simplify and give people the up a lot of visuals and props and things that make it very easy to understand. And in my books and my F the neuro cycle, which is like, literally me giving you therapy are going to the whole process. So it starts with understanding the difference between mind and brain and body. Cause it’s three different things and the relationship, and then what is memory and how does it fall?
Dr. Leaf: 00:06:35 That’s probably the next thing to be talking about. Okay. So I’ve got, um, the first pop-up coach has a brain. So it, those of you that are listening, it’s not a real brain sprain. It’s a proper, basically I show this because there’s been so much emphasis on the brain in the last 40 years, which is fantastic. I mean, my whole, my whole career has been one of understanding more about the brain, but we got so obsessed with the brain that we’ve become neuro reductionistic. So everything has been about the brain and the word mind has been subsumed into the brain. So it’s a synonym. So people use mind and brain in the same. So it’s the same thing. And there are worlds apart and they are so different. And it’s seeing them as the same thing is locking a lot of people into feeling that they can’t change.
Dr. Leaf: 00:07:17 And a lot of the confusion, because we, if we confused and mean not sure what we dealing with, how do you change it? Because you don’t know what to change. You don’t know, as you said, is it a memory? Is it a feeling? What is that? So the mind is the brain is a physical structure. It’s very complicated and complex, and we’re learning more and more all the time, but your brain can do nothing without your mind. And your brain is part of your body. So there’s another model they should bring in your body. So the brain and the body of physical touch, we can see, we can feel we can measure. And that if you did, they do nothing. So we alive be talking. And if I put different types of technology on us, we would see massive brain responses and you would see blood flow and you would see electromagnetic flow and EKG in our heart, acute EEG in our brain, but a deep person, you wouldn’t see any of that energy.
Dr. Leaf: 00:08:04 You wouldn’t see any responses. So what makes, what is the difference between the date physical body and the alive physical body? It’s the mind? So the mind is this powerful force that gives a lifeness to the brain and the body. You and I can have this conversation because of our mind. So our mind is a third part, but if it needs the brain and the body. So if you think of the mind is like almost like a cloud that is over and around and through the body. And when someone’s state that goes, people actually release when they die is a fraction of a weight, two point something pounds that you release when you die. And there’s a shift. And suddenly when someone dies, none of the functionality of an alive person is there anymore. So nothing’s working as, as we are alive. Now we making 2 million cells every second, which is phenomenal.
Dr. Leaf: 00:08:54 We actually making million cells of blood’s flowing off. Hormones are doing this. So there’s a whole millions of things going on in our brain and our body. None of that’s happening in a dead person. So we know that that alive mess is, is creating an energetic force inside the brain and the body and the brain of the body are switched on to do stuff. So with that in mind, what is our mind they do besides driving the functionality of the body. It also helps us to experience life. So it’s our mind that is aping us to have this conversation. So it psychologically our mind is our ability to think and feel and choose so that what you do now, will you listen to me? And while everyone’s listening to me, you thinking about what I’m saying and how did you get it in the first place, because I’m sending sound waves at you.
Dr. Leaf: 00:09:38 So your mind is grabbing those sound waves and electromagnetic Lightworks, and it’s creating a whole gravitational field force. That’s coming at you and your mind, that’s the sort of physics side being. So then as, as all that physics stuff is translated into the psychology of you, thinking about what I’m saying, you make, it’s making you feel certain things, and you’re making choices. So you indistinct you’ll choose things. You’ll choose things. You’ll choose things. You’ll choose mind in action cycle at about 400 billion actions per second to process what I’m seeing. So this mind is the thing that instincts, what you think for choose at 400. But it actually specifically with all these ways of gravitational fields and all of the chips goes into the brain and shows up in the brain and the body. And it shows up as changes in the brain and the body changes in the actual structure of the brain changes.
Dr. Leaf: 00:10:25 And then your chemistry changes in the actual, every cell of the body, the cytoskeleton, which holds the cell together, that changes the DNA changes. So the thing that I’m telling you now is changing you completely. And that happens every moment of every day. So while we’re awake, we take in the world through our mind, interpreted in our body and we change our brain and our body. And then that combination enables us to think, communicate. So all of that learning, going into our brain, an accordion or mind, and then that’s the use the combination of my brain and body to talk to, as I’m talking now, I am talking from years of studying the mind brain, body connection, being a patient. I mean, being, working with patients, et cetera, that’s all gone into my mind, brain and body. And I’ve built networks in my brain and my body and my mind, all this knowledge. And I’m combining all of that. And I’m speaking. So I’m not speaking from fresh air. I’m speaking from my experience and not come to the childhood experience. The neglect your parents were busy. They weren’t, they loved you. They knew you knew loved them, but you didn’t get the time that you need to critical points in your day-to-day development, whatever you didn’t get to, they were experiences that within toxic. So you would have had, so here’s a healthy thought. Let me show you this.
Dr. Leaf: 00:11:41 I like that. There you go. There’s a healthy food because that’s what people are brain. And I’ll explain that in a minute, but this would be an unhealthy experience. Okay? So that experience, I need my mom and back from school I’m, um, I’ve got this thing that happened in and with my mom to share, and it’s not her fault she had to work, but, um, that you needed that in that moment. So there your experience of what you couldn’t process properly, I’m just making something up that happened at school. And so that’s in your brain, but now it’s intoxicating. It’s all stuff. It’s not going to go in like that. It’s gone in like that. And because you didn’t have your parents to maybe help you work it out in the moment, this thing became a sort of solid little toxic thing that then pushed down. And then you went on with your daily life and you saw your parents. And the next day maybe something happened the next week. And I keep adding to this. And then you go to adulthood. And those little things that were never resolved became big things. And,
Kimberly: 00:12:34 Oh, sorry to interrupt you. But when you’re saying it becomes a thing, you push down, it’s an actual physical sort of thing. It’s like, you can see it in a microscope like it’s accuracy. You can see.
Dr. Leaf: 00:12:45 Let’s see. So, so now let’s expect, so thank you for asking that, okay. So our conversation, let me check into this and then we’ll come back to the childhood. As I’m speaking, I’m sending up sound waves and light waves. That’s real, it’s physical. We’ve got physics to explain that quantum physics, gravitational fields, et cetera, you have a gravitational field around you and in you. And that it’s only electromagnetics and everything. It’s all. And I contact you as you can take my it’s unique to you. It matches your brain. Your brain is designed to match that anybody. So let’s, that’s why when people have transplants, you get memories from other people because they experience that your mind is taking in, goes into the brain as this energy field. And so the brain in the body, it goes into the brain and in the brain responds electromagnetically, chemically, quantum level, and genetically.
Dr. Leaf: 00:13:35 And that combination makes proteins, X, amino acids, which make proteins. And those proteins grow together and to form branches. And in protein, those proteins form little [inaudible] equal microtubule they formed like little foam structures. They form little branches. It’s the easiest to visualize it. What we saying is growing branches inside your brain. You’ve just started speaking. So this is how big it is case we haven’t said that much, but everything I’ve seen has now gone into brain and the little branches or the data, and those branches are made of lots of proteins. And in every protein, is this, the content of what I’m saying is a vibration that is in a bag. It’s got different fields, positive and negative. All the scientists, that’s the inside of physical protein. The little leaves are the emotions that you’re feeling. So mine is, think, feel, choose. So the thing feel choose, gets stored into the structure.
Dr. Leaf: 00:14:33 The think the thing can, the thing part, and that is the data. So that’s on the branches and the field parts, the leaves, cause that’s the emotion. So that’s the branches or the data information, which are actually the memories and the leaves are the emotional memory. So that’s the, this is the content. What I’m saying, the little branches, that’s informational memory in these proteins, extra physical structure that you can see in your brain and the leaves of the emotions that are emotional memories that are thinking it as I’m speaking to you. So you’re knowing everything Dr. Leaf, because I mean, imagine if we think about how many thoughts we have, it’s all in there because in your brain, every thought is still in our brain. It’s still in your brain. And if you haven’t changed it, it’s in the original format. So here’s the beauty.
Dr. Leaf: 00:15:21 You can change it. And that’s what you asked me in the beginning. So that’s the thoughts. So the thoughts, the product of the mind, the mind distinctfully choose and all that physics stuff, and the product is a thought. The thought is native memories, that your first question was, do got memories from childhood. And you said plural memories, and those memories are clustered into thoughts. So they group, they categorize into thoughts. So this would be the, maybe the school incidents. And then there’d be another one. That’s maybe the, uh, what are the fact of the sibling? And then there’s another one that’s scary, some scary doctor visit or whatever. I’m just whatever, even a little plastic. And when it’s first happens, it’s small. And then the wall, whatever you think about the most gross, if you never had anything, we’ll edit it stressful. But if more is edited growth.
Dr. Leaf: 00:16:08 So as I’m talking, this is growing because I’m giving more information by the end of the conversation, we probably going to look at something as big as this, because I would have spoken for a significant amount of time. So I’m giving a lot of data. And so that’s these, the bachelors or the memory. The whole thing is the thought. So thoughts, not the same as the memory. So we think and feel and choose to build a thought with our thoughts, feelings, with our thinking, feeling any emotion inside of it. So the thoughts is the physical product that we can see inside the brain. And it’s the result of thinking, feeling and choosing the more we choose, the more stuff we grow into the, into the thought. And over time, it just gets bigger and bigger. If we keep feeding it, if we don’t, it just stays small.
Dr. Leaf: 00:16:51 And also if you only feed it for 24 hours or 48 hours, it’ll just disintegrate. It takes 63 days to stabilize this. So for this to stay there, it’s got to have repeated. It’s got to have at least nine weeks of repetition. So if you, if your, if your mother wasn’t there for nine weeks in a row row, this would be stabilized. Even if it was only a small bit of information. And didn’t add more to just one incident. If it happened nine days, nine weeks in a row, it becomes stabilized. We don’t think in terms of nine weeks, but that’s what’s happening. The new appliances become stabilized. But now on top of that, that’s in the brain. That’s inside the brain. As soon as this is happening. Now we’ll be talking about it also goes in every cell of the body. So the memory inside thought tree.
Dr. Leaf: 00:17:36 So the thought tree holds the memories, also go into every cell of the body. And we have 37 to a hundred trillion cells in our brain and our body. So now, as I’m talking to you and you’re growing the tree, you also having your mind is also building a change in every cell of your body. So your mind’s doing brainwork and it’s been bodywork. It’s embodying the mind, is that in the mind? So the mind is showing up in the brain and the body, and then every cell you’ve seen what cells look like, funny looking things. And they’ve got lots of stuff inside them. You have something that’s like a skeleton of our body. We have a skeleton in the cells, and it’s a similar skeleton in the cells of the body as to inside the brain. So this is also kind of that these are little skeletons. And then the information goes in protein format vibrations inside proteins in the skeleton. And it’s complicated, but
Kimberly: 00:18:26 This is amazing. Dr. Leaf, let’s talk for a second cause I have a couple of questions there before we go on. First of all, this is fascinating. And, um, you know, my, what I, what I focus on a lot is Vedic philosophy and yoga philosophy, which is really about don’t. Um, don’t get so influenced by the ego, by the census going out because you’re pulled in a million different directions. So we meditate to concentrate our energy in what’s called the Shashauna naughty, the main energy channel in here. So imagine your research shows that, you know, when we are constantly, I don’t know if you’ve measured overreactivity, but the nervous system constantly being influenced social media is coming in. All this is going out, as you’re saying, it can just lead to detrimental shifts and you know, so many thoughts, detrimental shifts in our body, what we’re seeing with the impacts of inflammation and stress and so on.
Mind management and how it affects your internal energy
Dr. Leaf: 00:19:17 Absolutely. So that’s what I’ve directly shown in my body. So when you talk, I do yoga, do hot yoga and absolutely love it. It’s, it’s such an important part of, um, just helping us to learn, to understand our bodies, to get into the cellular state of, of, to understand the embodiment of memory. So when you talk about that internal energy and blocking off the external learning, how to just focus in on the moment, that’s an element of mind management. So what you’re doing is in that hour, whatever that person’s doing, yoga, you, you shifting off the census and you’re teaching the person to tune into how your body feels in that moment, which is an excellent exercise to train ourselves, to become less distractible and to tune into our inner wisdom, which is inside our brain and our body and our mind three places. So we are actually made of wisdom. We literally wired for love every cell of our brain and our body is designed for being able to manage the messiness of life and repair and grow from it. And that’s wisdom. Wisdom is, okay, this has happened. What do I learn? How do I grow? How do I learn?
Dr. Leaf: 00:20:18 To move on how to reconceptualize all that stuff. Now that, that is what we made of. We made of psychologically. We understand it as doing that, but it’s also in our body. So when you go into doing something like yoga, you teaching you, you accessing your body, was the new accessing the cytoskeleton of your cells and the energy that’s flowing through them. And the memories that are stored in there. And whenever it’s toxic, it’s going to create brain damage. So this tree looks different to this tree because these proteins are folded correctly with the correct electrical, chemical balance and quantum bands. And there’s no inflammation. This, the proteins are folded incorrectly. The vibrations are incorrect. The energy is incorrect. The in chemical chemical balance is incorrect and there is too much inflammation. Inflammation is good for us, but only for periods of time that when the information stays there for longer periods of time, then that does affect all the different systems of your body. So in, in toxic thought is, is as real as COVID.
Kimberly: 00:21:17 Oh, well, so I was going to say, Dr. Leaf, that’s, what’s happening in our brain, which you guys are listening to this. It looks like this, almost like this monster. It’s this black end, you know, something like a horror movie. So what is that doing to our digestion, to our fertility, to our inflammation levels in our body. I imagine if we’re having all these know the word talks and toxic thoughts, it’s having a ripple effect and affecting our bodily systems. What starts with
What toxic thoughts are doing to your bodily systems
Dr. Leaf: 00:21:45 Excellent question. So that sought is in that toxic tree in the brain. It moves in the body. So this thought has three places that it’s going to be. And that thought is going to be in the brain as a tree in the body. It’s going to be in every cell, every cell forms the different systems. So you’ve got stores that memory from childhood. So does your heart, so does your lungs, so does every single Cell, every single cell, this
Kimberly: 00:22:11 Goes through every cell in the body.
Dr. Leaf: 00:22:13 It’s in every cell of the body, every single cell of the body contains a part of that memory. So when you have blood circulating through your body is carrying memory through your body. It’s very complex. So your body is and your brain. So we think of it’s easy to everyone focuses so much on the brain. You forget about the brain and the body as it’s forming in the brain, in these three networks that sending a direct connection to every part of your body. So your gut has got more cells in the spinal cord. Your heart has a brain. Every cell is intelligence. So we always go back to the brain as being the center of intelligence. It’s not doing your brains is part of your body, each protocol, body positive role. So
Kimberly: 00:22:51 What do you think about when different organs are said to correspond to different energies? Like, um, anger is the liver in traditional Chinese medicine, or when people get breast cancer, it’s said to be, you know, um, uh, disharmony of the heart chakra. What do you think about Eastern philosophy over, you know, your research?
How different energies relate to different organs in the body
Dr. Leaf: 00:23:09 I, I believe that we probably blend Eastern waste and grappling ancient, ancient, and modern, and that’s what I trying to do with my work. So there’s different. The terminology that’s been used in each of the different traditions is all kind of saying, um, each contributing a hugely important thing. I, I believe what’s happening when we talk about local deliver the certain energy in the liver and the heart, nothing works in isolation. So we may show up more than others is potentially. That could be because it’s a certain type of energy and is frequencies in every single thing, emits energy that’s understands work if you’re alive in this energy. So, um, your liver, because of the density, for example, will emit a certain energy frequency. And we, and we, our brain in a certain energy factor, you pick that up with acute EEG, EKG picks up the heart frequency.
Dr. Leaf: 00:23:57 So when we have any kind of toxic foods in the brain, it’s also going to be in the heart or it’s going to be, and it’s going to be in the liver and it’s going to be in the gut. So each of those would generate different frequencies. Now all of us are unique. So I’m very careful of saying, if you have X type of experience, it’s going to affect your liver. I think that’s dangerous. That’s dangerous to say. What we do know is that the different parts of your body are going to respond to the energy coming and say, I’ve got a toxic thoughts in the brain as a tree it’s in the body has changes in the cell, but it’s also, we haven’t spoken about this, but it relates to this question. It’s also in a gravitational field around your body and through your body.
Dr. Leaf: 00:24:35 So imagine a cloud that is round and through this card that penetrates, that’s your, that’s your mind, okay? These, your brain does your body visual mind all throughout. Now that mind is energy frequencies. It’s gravitational fields. It’s electromagnetic life forces, it’s electric. It’s, it’s the work that Einstein did with photon photoelectric effect. All of that is the physics side of the, of the body and of the mind. And it’s pushing that energy through the body. If you look at a podcast and you look at the lines of the horse, that’s a great analogy for how do I look? What does a memory look like in the body? In the mind, in the brain that looks like a tree in the body. It’s a change in the actual internal structure of the cell and on the DNA in the mind, it’s like a gravitational field. If it’s a healthy memory, something that’s positive and uplifting and constructive, and it’s repairing and growing that kind of stuff, I’m learning, et cetera.
Dr. Leaf: 00:25:29 Then it’s going to be a nice field. If it’s something that’s toxic, painful abuse, et cetera, trauma, it’s going to be a very jaded thing. I’ve got a jacket memory in my brain. I’ve got a JAG, I’ve got every cell of my, body’s got a level of little jaggedness in it. And then I’ve also got it in the, in the gravitational fields of my mind. So now that’s collectively going to hit our areas in our body and in the liver, for example, because of its density, emits a certain type of frequency, that’s thinking different to somewhere else. So then maybe the liver is going to pick up that frequency maybe quicker than the heart, for example, sake, food, whatever that may be. So we may get a level of response. I do not think it’s as linear as what they make it, but the principle is absolutely correct.
Dr. Leaf: 00:26:16 The principle is understanding the embodiment of memory and understanding the brain is part of the body. And moving away from this thing that the brain, I’m a neuroscientist, and I’m telling you that the brain is not the center of control. It’s part of the whole control center. The mind is actually the center of control. And if we don’t manage our mind, which is what you teach in yoga, you teach people to a certain extent to manage their mind because you’re teaching them to, to learn, to focus, um, onto the physical, as opposed to the distractions of the external. And that practice teaches people to then learn to do that as they go into their life, but it isn’t sustainable. And at least you manage to manage everything. So you’ve got to use, I always talk about meditation, breathing, absolutely essential brain preparation and body preparation, but you have to do that.
Dr. Leaf: 00:27:10 Plus you have to do the work of dealing with the memory from childhood, the past, showing up in your life, how you’re responding in your relationship, what are you doing? How are you functioning? How you function is coming from is influenced by experiences that you’ve had. And so therefore, if you’re not happy with how you functioning, which is your feelings and your behaviors and your bodily symptoms and your perspective, if you’re not happy with that, if it’s disrupting your work life, your personal life or peace or job, your relationships, then that’s who you are. It’s not your wisdom it’s coming because of something. So that’d be, you need to do mind management work, start with meditation to prepare your body because it’s hard work. Then you have to do the actual HITECH. Non-conscious unconscious cognitive work of finding out the because of why is there this?
Dr. Leaf: 00:28:00 And that’s the neuroscience that I’ve developed. The neuro cycle is the system. You can put all kinds of techniques into that system, but it’s a system for how do I find these and how do I deconstruct them and reconstruct them into something that’s healthy that I can live with. It doesn’t mean I forget what happened to me, but I changed what it looks like in my brain, in my body, in the cells and in those little fields. So that’s the whole package. So meditation with you teaching in yoga is basically very important brain preparation for being able to do mind work more effectively.
Kimberly: 00:28:34 Well, yeah, I’ll say what I, when I talk about yoga science, it really is meditation and focus. It’s I don’t really do the asanas anymore. Dr. Leaf. Um, I used to, and then it started to get much more in here because I learned, oh, wow. Out of 196, Osnos 196 teachers, really three only talking about the poses. So as I got deeper and deeper into the yoga science, it was really about focusing your energy, getting in, going deeper into meditation. And what I found is afterwards that period, after I meditate and I started journaling and reflecting and that stillness, I could see exactly what you’re saying.
Kimberly: 00:29:09 Yes. There’s patterns. Like, why does this bother me so much? Um, you know, why does it bother me so much if someone sort of tells me how it is? Cause it triggers something like, oh, I don’t feel seeing something from my childhood. So exactly what you’re saying. It prepares that, um, I think that stillness and just creating that introspection, which yoga Nanda, the great guru who brought yoga from, um, from the east to the west, says introspection is the greatest, um, agent of progress. Because if we see our patterns, as you’re saying that we don’t really know that we’re being affected by our memories.
Patterns in our lives and how introspection leads to progress
Dr. Leaf: 00:29:41 Exactly, and we also have so much, um, so much, um, narrative, the narrative of the current narrative is one of, if you feel any emotion, it’s an illness, you have a brain disease, you’ve got some kind of mental health disorder, terrible psychiatric message, terrible mental health message. And I told you about that in my book, because that doesn’t encourage introspection. That actually it’s a hopelessness. Introspection is one of, Hey, I’ve made of wisdom. It’s my inner core. And me yoga, really yoga and the neuro cycle that really teaches you how to tap into your non-conscious mind. And I don’t know if you know much about the non-conscious mind, you know, about it from your training, but you may not have known the terminology and the setting and the science. But when you tap into your non-conscious mind, you learning to tap into your wisdom.
Dr. Leaf: 00:30:25 And we’ve got so busy with the distractions of the world that we stay in our messy mind. And there’s nothing wrong with the messy mind because the messy mind is the experimental mind, but the messy mind cannot dysfunction alone. It’s got to function with the wise mind. So the way we structured is to learn is to, is to, uh, everything’s uncertain. You don’t know, you can’t control it. Beings and circumstances. You can’t, you don’t know exactly. You had an idea of what this interview would entail because you’ve read part of my book or what, you know a bit about me or whatever, but you didn’t know exactly what we were going to talk about. Even though you have questions and you’ve prepared because of the uncertainty of life, you don’t know exactly what’s going to come from here. You can predict for the 70% accuracy in certain situations might point, you cannot control events.
Dr. Leaf: 00:31:06 You cannot control circumstances. You cannot control people. The only thing we have control in the past, the only thing you can control is how you manage what you’ve gone through. And it’s the mind management. And that starts with being aware and awareness starts with learning to tune into your wisdom and then awareness grows. It’s got different levels as you, you’re not both mode. It’s going to be, uh, an initial awareness of that pattern. And in training yourself to tune into that awareness and go down deep now in today’s world, we are quite well-trained with all the wellness movement in having a level of awareness of our body. There’s so much movement in, especially in the last 20 years in this direction is so much more with footy, you know, 40 years ago, it was just kind of beginning, but at the same time, we’ve also gone backwards because we now taking everything back to the brain and the brain made me do it.
Dr. Leaf: 00:31:54 The brain can’t do anything without the mind. So if you just say that you’ve got to look at the organ at sandbox will say, if you want to understand mental health, you’ve got to look at the organ of mental health. This is not the organ of mental health. This is part of the body and holistically, that’s driven by the mind. And it all has different roles to play. Exactly. And that’s know, just because the brain is complicated. So as every cell of the body, I mean, look at every cell of the body, they serve complicated, just a membrane on a cell, the intelligence and the membrane of a cell is phenomenal. And it’s not any more intelligent than all the cells, particularly in the brain. It’s just different types of cells, making different organs, all working together collectively with the mind to be able to function. And we’ve got to, what we want to do is we want to learn to, um, to tap into our inner wisdom that is stored in the physical, because that is how we experience life. We need a brain and a body for the mind to be able to express experience and express. So that’s why if we look at our, how we expressing ourselves, we can track it back and work with our brain and our body to find out what happened. And then we can reconstruct that.
Kimberly: 00:33:02 Wow, I’d really, I have so many questions. Um, when you going back to, when you’re talking about this field, this gravitational field all around, and he said, it’s going through the cells, um, Dr. David Hawkins. I don’t know if you’re familiar with him, but a couple of decades ago, he attempted to put some sort of measurement on vibrations. And we say, we can feel energy from people. Some people just you’re drawn to them. Some people you’re like, well, you want to get away from them. Does this relate to this gravitational field? You’re talking about, let’s say someone has a lot of those erratic memories, Nate, negative, toxic memories. And so they kind of, it kind of comes through in their speech. It comes through in their presence. It can be felt by other people.
Negative energies and how it relates to the gravitational field
Dr. Leaf: 00:33:41 Absolutely. And you know, that’s on Stan’s work in the 1920s. He won the Nobel prize for the first electric effect in 1915. And he started this kind of not dissimilar, but him and his colleagues started talking about how we generate these photons. So it’s literally, um, so this let’s look at it like this. You’ve got this cloud around you. We know from recent research on gravitational fields that we don’t, you know, that we don’t flood because of Beverly, but recent research has shown that we’ve actually got unique gravitational fields around, around us because gravity, gravity, gravitational fields got to do with electromagnetic effect. And it’s like, oh, we have every person’s brain. And body is a unique kind of structure that creates its own unique electromagnetic field. And that’s why you are different to me and why everyone’s different to each other. What’s very interesting about this is that that manifests in the AUSTRAC and our structures designed to suit our gravitational field.
Dr. Leaf: 00:34:35 But it means that I can do something that you can do and you can do some that I can’t do. So there’s, so what’s beautiful about this is that we are in designed to enhance each other because it’s not that I don’t have. It’s not that I have failings and that will come different. It’s just definitely different. So I can’t do everything. What can you do that relates to the concept of enhancement and the need for deep, meaningful connection. So as humans, we recognize the beauty and what you can do honor, that bull that, and you do it in me, et cetera. They mean Hans each other. And my intelligence and my wisdom grows because I’m learning from you and I’m seeing the world in a different way. Now that means that competition doesn’t actually exist because competition means that I’m not recognizing it means I’m threatened.
Dr. Leaf: 00:35:22 And I have to get what that person has worked. You’ve got to be better. You don’t, it’s, it’s, it’s been a very destructive force content that kind of, competition’s been very destructive to humanity. When we recognize that you can contribute something that I can contribute. And by your contribution, I’m enhanced. And my intelligence is that changes the picture. So now that’s the foundation. So coming to the impact we have on each other, if I have a toxic experience or I have a toxic thought about someone, um, and I both does in this relationship because of whatever triggered in the past, I have very my brain. I have to change in my cells. I have these little fields in the gravitational fields. They, this combination generates a photo electric effect. It’s not shooting little photons. So right now, even though we separated by camera, because we are in a discussion, be in a relationship there’s no space or time dimension between quantum in the quantum world. So quantum physics wise, your photons are hitting. My mind are hitting yours. And because we, in a healthy conversation, these there’s a bond that’s forming, it’s healthy, but let’s say that we didn’t like each other, or let’s say that we were wearing each other. Let’s say there was competition between us. We would feel very differently. We would feel threatened by each other. And that traits is coming from a distortion in the brain and it generates a field. So those photons that are coming out feel like that. So
Kimberly: 00:36:41 Just starting your, like, we have a core field.
Dr. Leaf: 00:36:44 Yeah.
Kimberly: 00:36:45 We have already been, yeah. You said Dr. Leaf, we have our, you know, like our unique imprint that is kind of there it’s, it’s never going to fully go away. But when we have these toxic thoughts, it makes our imprint more jagged temporarily. But over time it can stay that way.
Dr. Leaf: 00:37:01 Exactly, exactly like that. So think of a, exactly like that. So this field, and you’ve got all these, the core fields, the perfection of views, or is there, but it’s not, it’s, it’s going to be clouded by toxicity and managed. So you’re going to have an index thing generates out to other people. So it starts with, um, a lot of the anger that all the toxicity we feel from other peoples coming from the toxicity they have towards themselves, exactly the inner critic. They’re not liking themselves. And because of that, they lash out and then you feel that. So with Pete, when you go into a room and someone, you feel like there’s something really smiling, but you,
Kimberly: 00:37:37 They can say nice things, but you just
Dr. Leaf: 00:37:39 Feel that feel. So that’s the photons. There’s the actual photons, because in their mind, when they saw you, something triggered something from some way, because every experience brings up existing networks of trees. So every few seconds, five to six to seven of these things are popping up all the time. So every concert, every minute of our conversation is informed. By my words, coming in your conversation back with your conversation back is informed by these trees popping up. It’s all good trees and mine too. So in other words, every moment that you experienced something is colored by what you really have experienced. And it’s the, and so anything that’s related is triggered and non-conscious mind, which operates 24 7 is searching for anything to help you understand what it’s looking for is the unique was the pateen cloud for want of a better word. But sometimes there’s all these blocks on the way, all these fields in the way, and those come up. So then you look at the situation like this. So now as a child, something happened is this member, you meet someone and they, um, they, then you look at that person differently. This generates a field. This thing influences that interrelationships more moist added to this. It’s more toxic. So the smile is the, but that’s, this is what you feeling from the brain and from the body and from the gravitational field,
Kimberly: 00:38:59 How do we, how do we heal those Dr. Leaf? I’m sure that’s what all your, you know, your books go into this, but in a very simplistic sense or general sense, so someone could take away, how do we heal those really unhealthy memories that make us feel that [inaudible], you know, the brokenness, the brokenness, the gravitational, the separation between another human being,
Healing unhealthy memories
Dr. Leaf: 00:39:21 The way we do it is to basically increase our self regulation. So as a scientist, I wanted to see that’s the big picture. Self-regulation I wanted to see how we changed the, so our conscious mind is awake when you’re awake, or nonconscious not unconscious unconscious when you knocked out or have an anesthetic. So you get your conscious mind, your subconscious and your non-conscious. The conscious is when you wake the subconscious is the bridge between the conscious mind and unconscious conscious, you know, in very few people talk about the non-conscious and that’s a huge problem because the non-conscious is what you actually learning about as a yoga teacher and all the training you’ve done. When psychologists are talking that often to the unconscious in the subconscious, then missing the, the biggest part of acid, every single experience you ever had had, and everything about you. Cool.
Dr. Leaf: 00:40:12 Why for love wisdom, you is in the non-conscious mind. It manifests in the brain, body and these fields. And it’s unique to you. Then unconscious mind works 24 7, and in it is a cool wisdom, and then all the experiences on the outside. So imagine the core beautiful cloud, and then all the little black, little black vibrations or something, just to give people an us what cloud and the little progressions inside the brain. It is the core is a beautiful green forest, a beautiful rich green. First around that this, all these things and experiences, what we want to do, what you teach people to do with yoga is to try and tap into this part and the cloud, and to get through the black stuff and to get to the toxic stuff and the Jacob Fields, and to tap into the InterQual wisdom. When we do that, then we can stay in a place of safety and we can fix all the JV things and toxic trees and all that stuff.
Dr. Leaf: 00:41:07 So that requires self regulation. And we, as humans can consciously self-regulate, which means watching what you’re thinking, feeling, and choosing a book in response to incoming information conversation, and watching how the impact of our words or texts or emails or conversations or whatever we do the impact in, on ourselves and on other people and in life. So that’s self regulating process. We can do the sentences, this blows people’s minds. You can do that every 10 seconds consciously, deliberately monitoring how you are responding, your thinking, feeling, choosing, and how you, how other people are responding to you and how your impact of your words. Like even writing an email and looking at how you’ve written it, any valuating that you can do that every 10 seconds.
Kimberly: 00:41:56 So, Dr. Lee, if you come back to
Dr. Leaf: 00:41:57 Center, you should come. You, you shift. So if you, you can’t change what you’re not aware of. So what we do with all the distractions of life is if you just go, we just go, go, go. So we become reactive. Instead of responsive, self-regulation teaches you to be responsive. It teaches me in the midst of my go go, go. I realized, oh, I just said to my husband, or I just thought a bad thought about this person. I got totally irritated with that, or just wrote a really ugly email. I just made a really bad decision it’s awareness and immediately say, that’s okay. Accept the messiness. It’s part of it. The uncertainty of life, the unexpected, I was put on the spot, my emotions were triggered, triggered this thing. This is heavy it’s weighty. They will leaves on this way, heavy and weighty. They blocked my thinking for a moment.
Dr. Leaf: 00:42:40 I made a mistake. That is okay. That is okay. It’s fine. It’s not who you are. You showing up. Like they can be closed up. That’s really key in how you become a way is what ups the picture I’ve just painted. It’s really key that we are accepting of the fact that I was in that moment. And that wasn’t the truth. That was just my response. But why did I respond like that? Is this a pet? Do I do this all the time? Actually, I’m doing this a lot in my life. Okay. I asked you find a dedicated time for 70, 15 to 45 minutes next, every day for 63 days to work out the source of the pattern. And so that’s the kind of conversation to have with ourselves every day, but do something all day long. We need to be watching
Kimberly: 00:43:26 Dr. Leaf for like, oh, I know it came from this childhood pattern, but you need to play it out.
Dr. Leaf: 00:43:31 Then the reason we still play it out is that we haven’t sat down and rewired it. And the rewiring takes the rewiring in our brain and our body. When people talk about rewiring that we think it’s just neural networks, but these new networks, you have to tie what? So when we talk about people, are we talking about rewiring the brain and the body and the fields. Okay. And that takes cycles of 63 days, not 21, 21 is a mistake, was a neurosurgeon talking about how the stem cells work, nothing to do with habit formation. Yet it’s become one of the biggest conversations around the habits. It takes minimum of nine weeks to completely get to the point where I can find the source of my pattern and change. We’re pretty good at getting to the source of our patterns. It’s hard if we can get there and it won’t get it.
Dr. Leaf: 00:44:15 That’s what therapy is about. That’s what spending time with myself is about. And the introspecting we, we get that. But then as you, so rightly said, now I know, and this is now where I want to be. So let me just find a, have a little clear over here. Here we go with my little one going, I just broke something here. I love the props done. Know I have so many property and I can’t find this little one that I need. I think it fell. Nevermind. Okay. So when you’re looking for that doctor found it’s rewiring.
Kimberly: 00:44:41 Yes. In terms of, and I know your books go deep into this, but is it, um, affirmations, new patterns? Self-regulating, you know,
Dr. Leaf: 00:44:50 Those are, those are all techniques that fit into stage five. So everything you’ve said, you can do any of those, any combination you want to, any level of, of, um, affirmations, the medic work, all of that fits into step five. So, and so what I’ve developed is a system, not a technique. It’s a system into that system. You can pick what ever works for you. There’s so many options out there, different types of meditation, of, of breathing different types of CBT techniques act. There are a million visualization, beautiful exercise thing. Hey, burning. There’s so many different things, but things are tapping and hazing and breathing and meditation would be brain preparation. It could fit into brain preparation and could also be an action step. So essentially what we’re talking about with rewiring, and I’ll come back to this. What you’ve just commented on now is that we are taking, we are changing the pattern.
Dr. Leaf: 00:45:42 Would you let me backtrack? You said, I know the course. I know the task should operate, but I’m still doing this. Yes. Okay. So you found this thing and it’s app, and you’ve landed the plane in the forest at the street, but it’s still there. You haven’t dug it out yet. So you have to do the work of tracing from the top. The only way to kill to reconstruct this thing is to look at this part, which is your interpretation, how you think, feel, and choose about something that happened about that course. So you can’t go straight to the cause and just eliminate it. You have to see, how did you view that? So you go from the pattern to the signals of the path, to the interpretation. How do I see myself that inner critic, that interpretation, how you thinking, feeling and choosing about yourself, and then why did I do that?
Dr. Leaf: 00:46:30 What was the processing I did down to the actual, in the root cause as you go through that, it’s a five step process. That’s gathering awareness of the pattern and the signals. It’s taking time together, weightiness of the interpretation. Then it’s reflecting on why the processing reflecting on to discuss then whatever you reflect, you write in two stages striking to dig deep introspectively, to get the brain and body working and find all the stuff and be construct. You need a writing two stages. The first stage is literally it’s called a meta code. It’s where you just put everything down. Will you let your unconscious spill over into your conscious mind, a little bubble over? So there’s no organization. It’s a technical over the page. I’ve got a video on how to do it in my, um, in my app, near psycho app. And then I describe it in the book too.
Dr. Leaf: 00:47:17 And I’ve got a couple of, quite a few of my books. Talk about the medical phenomenal. One of the most powerful tools in digging deep, but you can’t use it alone. You must gather first gather weakness, which is getting, and then we can go into the detail. But in a moment you must be reflects it to first gather weakness. Then it’s roughly, then it’s this metacognitive kind of mind that digging out of the non-conscious. Then the next level of writing is a reconceptualization recheck where you find that triggers and antidotes and NT, chaos, you start working out. What does this mean? And what can I do? And in the fifth stage, which is what I mentioned a moment ago, that is the action. What can I do now that I understand I’ve gathered awareness of my [inaudible] my interpretation. I’m seeing why I saw the processing.
Dr. Leaf: 00:48:02 I’m seeing the root why, and I’ve reconceptualize that I can say, reframe that now, how do I make that work in my life? What’s the action step to make it work. If you haven’t gone through that, you haven’t unwired the SIG that five step process. Just describe if you do that daily a little bit every day by more release, 21 days, you would have turned this thing upside down, deck it out, think of each day, digging the sand away from the roots up into this thing. And energy never disappears in the brain and the body. It just gets transferred. You would have then transferred it over to building this. So this is now that was the childhood. Maybe this is not a one. That’s how the child, his name is affecting me. But now this is how I want to be. Now comes to the point that you made.
Dr. Leaf: 00:48:46 I know the course, but now I’ve done something very constructive. I’ve actually reconceptualize and built a new treat. So I haven’t changed. What’s happened, but I’ve changed how I’m seeing it. So, um, the neglect doesn’t, wasn’t the neglect our bed. My mother doesn’t love me enough. Um, my mother wasn’t there. You’ve now changed it into, you’ve gone back to the inner child as an adult, a base that’s okay. She did it based, but it made you feel like this or validate your feelings. This is very important. That interpretation is not the truth. You are valuable. You are important enough to pay attention to so you do have value. So that’s what this is not turned into in a very quick summary. So, uh, so now this though is not strong enough. Look how small it is. Trigger Dr. Lee, if you’re still feeling, when someone says things, there’s a chasm between how you were, which is now gone, but you still, because you, maybe the thought has been changed, but it’s inside.
Dr. Leaf: 00:49:41 It’s different. It’s it’s been reconceptualized so you don’t ever forget what happened, but now you’re saying, you said the word yourself, my mother did her best that she was eating her a bit as a child. You didn’t know that. So you, you didn’t even know how to verbalize it. It was just not good enough, the interpretation. So this part of the tree here interpreted the experience as you being not good enough or whatever, or not worthy of time or whatever. The, you know, we all have our own language around what the neglect look like this now is I was, it was neglect, but it wasn’t that it was intentional. It was, my mom was busy. She was doing her best. She could, whatever you reframe that. But you still remember that it happened, but you’ve changed it, but this is going to be triggered quite rightly until I make this bigger.
Dr. Leaf: 00:50:23 I have to spend at least another 42 days, at least every day for at least five minutes working on what this should look like in my life. I could have grow this thing. So a 42 days must become better, but to give it more energy, this has got to compete with trillions of other experiences in your life. So if you don’t give this energy, if it’s drowned out by all the other trees, I mean, look, how many trees I’ve got yet in my house? I can’t really see it. I can’t even see the little one, that little one. Dr. Leaf, you got to feed it. Are you talking about visualizing or again, the size, the same five, six, the same five steps where you, every day you go through together, we in a square might ed today. Okay. Reflects a little bit more, do a little bit more than two steps of writing and action.
Dr. Leaf: 00:51:07 And then that the stick, the activity. So it’s the same five steps that you did for the first 21 days. The first 21 days, you take 15 to 45 minutes. So you’re doing in more depth and each day you don’t solve it all here today. You just do a little it’s a little bit, each day, same five steps. And now you’re doing it quick. And now we know the cause we know the direction. Now we developing that direction. So where am I at today? We don’t want to be back tomorrow. What do I want to learn today? So it’s little, it’s a fire. It’s the same plastics. Cause that five steps is how you basically are changing the memories inside the thought you are giving it energy. Your mind is driving. What you want this to play out like in your future. So you do that every day.
Dr. Leaf: 00:51:43 By day 42, it looks like this. They change, but they, 63, you’re looking like this. Now this can compete with all the other thoughts in your head. Now, when I’m triggered by the feeling of the glitz and the relationship, when someone does something, that’s similar to what your mom did and an intention to you that that’s not going to drive, oh gosh, I’m useless and effect you. And you’re going to see not the wrong energy vibes and maybe have an argument or withdraw in the relationship or whatever you now go to remember. That’s how it was. This is the I’m breathing. That’s not a worry that this has got energy. Now see, I’ve changed all the memories of reconceptualizing. So I’ve changed a bit, not a bit. I put 63 days. And so people don’t change because they don’t spend long enough because they don’t know this timing, which is why I do what I do.
Dr. Leaf: 00:52:25 That’s why I’ve done. The news cycle. Average is done in 63 days. So you can take whatever you’re working on and you can take it through the proper timing we have now changed. Not only the trees in my brain, but I’ve changed the cytoskeleton inside my body. I’ve changed. I mean, inside every cell of my body change in the work consistent change, it takes at least six heads sometimes. So it’s interrupted committee, but it could take more than one cycle. You could either patients who get such complex trauma that they they’ve spent two, three years, which is tweeted two city because it’s, if you do 63 days cycles, if you live in a year. So if you would often happens with complex trauma is in the first cycle. You only find this part. Then another cycle, you find that in another cycle, you find that part.
Dr. Leaf: 00:53:07 And then, and then you start seeing all the areas that it’s invaded and that takes time. So there’s no time limit. There’s no cookie cutter. What’s fixed is how long, what are the cycles for rewiring the neural networks in your brain and your body it’s cycles of 63 days. Something’s happening at each point, the sciences in the, in the book, when you do it in a cycles, do as many as you need. So you feel freedom and you’re not being triggered. Or when you are triggered, the trigger doesn’t trigger you actually anymore. Just the reminder sort of trigger anymore. Triggers me. You fire this. Oh, I used to get mad about that. I used to this or whatever now it’s just, oh, I used to, this is how, how has the sense of peace?
Kimberly: 00:53:50 But it takes time. Most people are not, um, you know, uh, struggle along. So let’s say they go for 20 days and then you have an incident or let’s say you go backwards or you take some steps back, do reset at day one because people would be listening to this and thinking, oh man, 63 is a long time to be right on track with this program. What do I have to start a day one anytime I get re-triggered
How being re-triggered leads to progress
Dr. Leaf: 00:54:13 No, not at all. Because that re-triggering is progress. That extruded, that, that increase in anxiety is progress. Any change is progress. So what I’ve done for you is I’ve done the research to track. If you do the, if you move through the cycle, you, your brain is probably you, you making changes, but the changes you make are bringing things up from your unconscious, that you’ve suppressed for years. And when you start seeing stuff in your life, it’s shocking to the body. That’s where yoga is fantastic to go and work out that extra energy. Because when you suddenly have a memory stimulated, it makes you feel awful. And that’s what you always say. Then that’s where you really need something physical to channel that energy into. So go do your yoga workout or your orange theory, workout or dance or scream or sing or something because you’ve got this energy that makes Marco Kanick style, but that’s all progressed.
Dr. Leaf: 00:54:58 I’ve had some patients who’ve who did this, and then they got stuck in a, in a depression where they couldn’t get out of bed or couldn’t get off the couch for two weeks. That’s progress. Now, normally you think I’m going backwards? No it’s probing any changes. Progress in my book, I’ve got a case study and aesthetics, definitely two case studies. And the one case study is a one of my, what are the subjects who were so depressed? They actually said the identity was depression, or you can’t have the pressure. The pressure is not an issue. It’s not like canceled diabetes. Depression is an emotional warning signal fold with messages. You know, the yoga teacher that the Eastern teach east teachers, that isn’t philosophy teachers that embrace any emotion because it’s a messenger. It’s not something that you need to be scared of. Because when you look at it, you will see something that’s going to help you grow in that way.
Dr. Leaf: 00:55:46 What we say is that, oh, that’s a disease. You’re depressed. You’ve got a clinical diagnosis and treatment cure and that’s drugs and maybe a bit of CBT then in the wrong phasing. Now there’s nothing wrong with CBT. If you use the technique at stage five, but if you see the team, skip out, sticks one through four. It’s not going to change the brain and the body. So then they become a temporary fix. And before bed, that’s how they use meditation to, if you don’t use meditation within a whole package, you’re going to meditate. You’re going to learn over time, certainly to be less distracted and more focused, but you’re not going to fix the childhood trauma. You’re not going to fix the marriage trauma. Then work toward where the COVID tool or whatever, because you have to repackage that you have to change the trigger that’s inside of you into something that you control.
Dr. Leaf: 00:56:27 This. This is in your non-conscious mind creating two industry, brain damage, creating damage every cell of your body over time, these accumulate and increase your vulnerability to disease are 35 to 98%. We don’t want these. We want to get rid of these. So you might be in a body, know that. So your mind been and body train you to train you. Do you mind being a body sends you signals. And those signals come from the non-conscious mind, which works 24 7 through the subconscious, which is the bridge into the conscious mind. What do they feel like emotions? That’s what they feel like. The emotions you feel signals the pain in your body. That’s what it feels like. So there’s four signals. These, when this happens, it’s through your field at three emotions, you’ll feel it to how your body feels, because remember it’s in your cells too.
Dr. Leaf: 00:57:12 That’s what yoga really teaches you to treat your body. And if you look see it in your behaviors, how are you functioning in your relationships? How are you functioning? The way you write an email? I mean, how you texting, how you looking at the day as you wake up in the morning behaviors, I mean, what you’re doing and then perspective. What is your view? Are you waking up and looking at life with a, I hate life, life sucks. This is never going to work. I’m always a failure when you, those are the four ways that our body, mind and brain are telling us a story to say, that’s not you is something going on the current it’s psychiatric move, mental health move sees. If you have those four, if you have depression, if you have weird behaviors, if you have this perspective, that that life sucks and I want to just die and you have all this pain in your body, you’ve got a disease.
Dr. Leaf: 00:58:00 You do not have a disease. You have a, a mind issue. You’d had an experience. You’d had a multitude of experiences that overtime the cumulative, sure that in your body will over time create medical problems. So thank God for doctors, but that’s, if you just treat the medical problem and you never sought out the source, which is the narrative that you went through there, which is the experience, which became a narrative. These are narratives inside of you made, which are memories inside tall trees. If you don’t fix those, then the medical problem won’t resolve. The medication’s going to get to be fixed. The neurofeedback is a temporary fix. The meditation’s a temporary fix, you know, unfortunately, and I’m, and I’m all for, as you can hear, I’m all for meditation, you cannot do research shows. You cannot fix a childhood trauma with meditation. What you will do with meditation is you will learn how to tune into your body.
Dr. Leaf: 00:58:48 So you’ll fix it quicker. You’ll get, you’re getting to introspection deep. You’re getting to the wise mind quicker. So meditation is and yoga off and testing ways of training people in really bad states to really get in touch with their inner wisdom. It’s really, if I had to give you one big summary of what I see meditation and yoga doing this, it’s a, it’s a very efficient and wonderful way of doing that, but it’s not enough on its own. You then still have to do that hard work and no one’s telling you how to do it. And not everyone can afford therapy and any discouraged therapy, sorry, I’ll just, I’ll finish with this. You go to therapy. It’s once or twice a week. What are you going to do with yourself? 24 7? You have to mind marriage every 10 seconds. So that’s what I’m trying to teach people. Not to place the therapy. I love that place, the coaching, but it’s how do I live with myself? Every 10 seconds? That’s what I’m offering people is how do I live with myself with all the stuff now in the future, in the past, all of that happening together, that’s what the neuro cycle is.
Kimberly: 00:59:47 And there’s so many questions. I have Dr. Leaf, but I had to say, how does this play into, you know, you’re talking about these thoughts that I love the visual of the toxic thoughts, and, you know, we hear thoughts or things. We talk about visualizations or visualizing the life you want, um, playing that out. Manifesting. Is there anything in your research that supports when I imagine with these gravitational fields, when we have these healthy thoughts and we don’t have those jagged patterns, it’s, there’s more potentially flow, um, harmony with other people. So opportunities start to open up. So maybe in a scientific sense, it’s true when you visualize what you want in your more harmony is reflected outwardly in your external world.
Visualization and how this influences harmony in your external world
Dr. Leaf: 01:00:28 Absolutely. So visualization is a technique that you would put into, you can use throughout the five steps. So you’ll see, even if you, I mean, you read the book and you go into the app, you’ll see, I’ll talk about visualization. Yeah. I give that for many lessons. And I talk about how visualization, how it opens up the brain and the body literally opens up the brain and the body. And when I say open up, it makes these malleable, we can say, so it makes you very, it’s a great way of becoming conscious of what you are going through. So looking at yourself. So when you picture something, you are, you are changing your vision, um, your, your mind vision of, of what is happening and it helps you to then transform more easily. And a lot of stuff happens inside the brain. So visualization, in the sense of working through an audit system over time at the, your cycle over 63 days will work. But if you just say, okay, which is what a lot of people do, I do not like what’s going on in my life. I want to be rich, famous, and healthy. And which is, you know, I mean, that’s, and we laugh, but that’s really what we encouraged to be in this very capitalistic society. You know, success has vision, how much money and how great you look, which is really not for success is success is
Dr. Leaf: 01:01:38 Exactly it’s in a piece. Do you have this in the midst of your success? I don’t care what everything else looks like. That’s where success is. So if we can, we’ve got to get that level of thinking back. But if we had that say, if we have that vision of just having the external, what was that? I wanted to make a point
Dr. Leaf: 01:01:58 And visualization. Thank you. So what we told is take same thing, affirmations and say those and visualize yourself. So you want that goal visualize that car, that house, that body that would ever see yourself there. And then your itself is not a harmful thing. I mean, the picturing of that, there’s nothing wrong with doing that. It does a lot of good in your brain, but then people think that’s it. And that’s the problem. People think, okay, well, I don’t have to deal with this. I’ll just take that pretty visual. And I’ll put it on. You’re putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. It’s not going to work, be more doctorly. What about visual visualizing? You’ve been more in peace. Like if you’ve been finished, you can do that. But even, even that Kimberly, even vision piece of visualize, please visualize the visualize in the correct way.
Dr. Leaf: 01:02:42 At the point, if I don’t deal with this, and I’m just going to use visualization as a band-aid, it won’t work. If I use affirmations as a band-aid, but if I use visualization, okay, I’m going to get the witness and I can see how I’m reacting. Then I use my ability to picture and I see myself in that situation. And then I see myself how I would like to be. So, as you work in each of these steps, you can bring visualization as you go through the five steps, but I’m working with it as opposed to just slapping on. I want to look like that. So if you just take, I want to see myself at peace and that’s the visual, and then you are peace. That’s not enough, that’s the bandaid. But if I say, okay, I’m not at peace, I’m totally chaotic. Why, what am I signals?
Dr. Leaf: 01:03:24 What does, what does it get away in? It’s like picking apples in a basket, very specific, then reflect, ask on to discuss, ask on to discuss all this. As I pointed them out, each one of those you can then in each of those steps, you can build the visualization process in. When you get to stick five, then you’ve got a more authentic visualization. I’m not, I’m not, I’m not putting a bandaid on the wound. I’m actually opening the wound and finding out the source of the wound. And I’m dealing with all the way through some sin. That’s that interpretation of myself was I’m useless. Okay. That, and I see, I look at myself, I stand back and observe myself as I’m saying this. Um, I don’t know if you can, if you can visualize and a audience can visualize, take, take your inner critic. What is the thing that you say most about yourself that is critical?
Dr. Leaf: 01:04:11 Like I’m not good enough or whatever it is. I don’t know what it is now. Close your eyes and visualize how your face actually looks. When you feel like that you see yourself now, then now open your eyes and look at this tree and say, okay, that’s an interpretation. That’s not true. It’s making you feel awful. It’s having an impact right down to the level of your DNA, your homocysteine cortisol. Everything’s going crazy in this moment that you visualize. So if I just visualize as myself happy, um, it’s not going to work no matter how much I have to say, why is it that, that interpretation, if you reflect on it objectively and kindly reflect and say, that’s not who I am, but I am saying that for a reason. So it’s standard. I validate. And I honor, and it’s sacred how I feel. It’s not good for me, but there’s a reason.
Dr. Leaf: 01:04:56 So let me see. Why can you see the difference? Then I’m going to look at why develop that in the first place I’m going to process reflect. And the two together witnesses here, the reflect and which is the second step and the metacog and the recheck or down the tree. And then that takes you to the roots and then the active reaches the action. Okay. Now I know now I can say, or act the rest of today. Every time that inner critic comes up, that says, whatever you just picked. Now, now I’m ready to say, actually, that’s not the truth. The truth is a need. See yourself in that and the rewire. So now that that’s in, you see, that’s the difference. You just taking on a band-aid. This will never go away, actually deconstruct taking all the wind out of the sales of this one, and I’m building it into this. And once I’ve got this, then I grow this thing. So that this now doesn’t, this can come back again. If I don’t grow this in, this can come back.
Kimberly: 01:05:49 Feels like Dr. Leaf, you’re putting all this amazing science on, you know, like shadow work or what Carl Young talked about.
Dr. Leaf: 01:05:57 [inaudible] fantastic. And even for its early days, when food was too, when you operated as a neurologist, before he went into trying to please people and make money out of the rich witches, you know, with rich people and in hysteria and he’s, so his initial work was phenomenal. I love for his initial work, but his later work is really was fantastic. The non-conscious, he, he all the oldest sort of psychologist, et cetera, had one of the best insights into the non-conscious mind. There’s very few that I’ve found. And then there’s a couple of other, you know, there’s a couple of other Irina jet is another one. No one really knows about him, but he’s a scientist and a philosopher who I really learned a lot about the non-conscious mind. You understand the non-conscious mind. That’s when shift occurs. That’s why I spend so much time teaching it.
Kimberly: 01:06:45 So do you think, um, Dr. Leaf, the reason people are so triggered by social media, remember when the, you know, the whistleblower stuff came out a couple of weeks, Facebook, mental health, all these issues with social media is because it’s bringing up these shadows or these, you know, these unhealthy thoughts that people, um, haven’t really dealt with.
Social media and how it creates unhealthy thoughts
Dr. Leaf: 01:07:03 Absolutely. It’s triggering. So think of the cloud with the little black things. So maybe in this part of it here, or this part, whatever that was activated. So you read, you know, you read that and it’s activating Backpage and that’s got, that’s got a little feel. There has got its toxic tree in there and its representation in the cells. The little representation in every cell I know, talked to visualize when you pull something up, you’re pulling up the field, the brain and the body at the same time. And that’s what being an all of that is like a visual for all of that is imagine a massive forest, a huge infinite forest. And that forest, every tree represents an experience you’ve had from an experience becomes thoughts. Cause it’s a tree thoughtfully with memories in it. And those memories are information and emotions. You’re thinking, feeling, and choosing this court’s interpretation.
Dr. Leaf: 01:07:52 That’s processing that. So, okay. So imagine all these trees in this forest, but through the middle east, this beautiful structure it’s exquisite. It’s perfect. It’s like it’s perfection. It’s absolutely legend. Most beautiful forest that you can imagine. That’s you that’s who you are. That’s your wisdom, natural intercourse. That’s reflected in your biology, everything about that. And you’ve got allergies for survival. You being a piece and surviving and working for you, your non-conscious mind. How is it that when unconscious mind crosses over the cloud, the brain and the body, it’s the, it’s the overarching who you are. And that’s it then uses the subconscious and the conscious mind to keep you in the safest survival state around it. First, all your life experiences. When we’ve listened to the, to the inner first, the wisdom of an unconscious mind, we’re going to build this when you’ve tuned in, we built this when we don’t, we build this and that’s, that’s your child growing up and who’s been abused.
Dr. Leaf: 01:08:49 Or at any stage you trust someone in a unit relationship in a trauma bond forms because this person, you know, there’s this whole cycle of trauma bonding. I just did a podcast on trauma bonding. These, I am totally for the victim. I am never blaming anyone. This is never blame, love, and survivals, never blame, love, and survival. Love is all about I’m giving you the knowledge so that you can develop an awareness of what has happened. It’s not, some of it is our fault. Some of it we’ve reacted. Even then. I hate to use the word fault because if I get mad at you, I’m mad at you for a reason. And it’s totally unreasonable that I’ve been mad at you because don’t even know you, but something maybe that you said, and I’m not mad at you. I’m just using this as an example, because it’s so ridiculous, but mad at anyone, or you got mad at me or something.
Dr. Leaf: 01:09:34 There’s no, there’s, there’s a reason why you showing up like that. So I’m telling people like, I hope I can get the street. Clearly it’s someone would say, but you shouldn’t be mad. There was no reason. It’s your fault. You did this. Forgive that, say I did. I own it. I own that mess. I got mad. It did hurt you. I take responsibility for the hurt that I’ve caused because I really, that was not my intention because let me tell you that that madness wasn’t you, it meant this was something that I’ve gone through. Is it because of behind my eye, me getting mad at you, I’m going to do the work to find that that’s, that that’s the Bible that standing in the middle of it first and looking at that toxic tree. And in doing that, I think, okay, when I was mad, this name popped up there.
Dr. Leaf: 01:10:14 It is on that side of the first and in the middle of wisdom. And I’m looking at that. So the process I’ve just described enables me to stand in wisdom in the middle of the first and look at it. If I do what the current world does or if I don’t, if I just current reactive and I don’t deal with that, that does could grow into getting mad at everyone. And then you get told you have a personality disorder or some you’ll get diagnosed with BPD or something like that because you haven’t ever now that your fault, you’ve got a broken brain and you’re a bad person. That’s terrible. Meanwhile, that person with those, who’s showing those personality disorders that are hurting other people and other people deserve to be protected too. You don’t have to, if you don’t have to take stuff from each other, we have to protect ourselves too. I’m not saying that you just got to take everything, but I’m just saying that you’ve got to look at the person’s behavior. If all of us did, if everyone looked at everyone else’s behavior, as a reason as a, because of, and then we wouldn’t take it person, you wouldn’t react. You wouldn’t find, we would actually, how can I help you? I see mad. I see you angry. How can I help you find that? Because of that’s what I’m trying to teach people. I don’t know how to teach it loud enough.
Kimberly: 01:11:21 After leaf in your work, let’s say someone does, like, let’s say it’s an in-law and they remind you of, you know, your parents, something from your past. And to your point, we have to protect each other. So you can own all, you know, sorry, but you really trigger me. Do you think in your work, you should try to maybe minimize contact with that person until you go through these 63 days. So you’re not putting harm on them.
If you should minimize contact with toxic relationships
Dr. Leaf: 01:11:43 Yes. I’ve got another image. I’ll show you. I did a whole podcast on this. I told the whole podcast on this. There’s so much about boundaries that it’s almost not. I mean, it’s just, yeah, it’s just like, it’s, it’s become such a, it’s become one of those phrases that people use too often and they don’t understand it. So I talk about space instead of boundaries and there’s nothing wrong with boundaries, but the way it’s been almost gone out of proportion, he has a little tiny cup. Okay. So when you put that in law, who’s in your face and really upsetting you is the issue it’s you consumed. You can’t see the wood for the trees. This is just going to trigger issues in between you it’s going to get worse. So what you need to do is create the physical and mental space so that you can start getting heating.
Dr. Leaf: 01:12:20 Look at the creative space. I’m going to start getting more perspective. I’m going to hit that point at about 21 days. But while the time I get to see three days, look at the same issue, the mother-in-law or whatever. Look at the space of creative. Now I can take, I take myself out of the situation, as far as you physically and mentally can and work through why that’s triggering you, because there’s a reason that they action. And it could just be that they just play me. But that meanness is getting a response from you. So there’s something in you that’s, that’s not resilient enough against that because they are operating from pain and you can’t see it. When you in this cup, 2 63 days, you can see that doesn’t mean you take the abuse. If they minimize
Kimberly: 01:13:03 Contact, you get stronger,
Dr. Leaf: 01:13:05 You get stronger. So when they come at you in this space, it’s not going to affect you anymore because you know, it’s coming and they have to do the work and you can encourage them to do the work, to find out why, but when you don’t respond, when you sorted yourself out and you don’t respond in a reactive way, you respond in love where you actually knew you throw new, you know, you’re neutralizing putting water on the fire here. You’re putting foreign fire here. You’re putting water on the fire and that’s how you change it. So you can say,
Kimberly: 01:13:31 Um, um, you know, I own, this triggers me. I need some space from you. I’m doing work. You know, let’s just minimize contact for 63.
Dr. Leaf: 01:13:42 Yeah, there you got any, they don’t like that. That’s not your problem, right? Because we know from all the boundary teaching, we know that when you put up a boundary with someone, the biggest thing about boundaries is that they’re crossed over into yours. They tried to jump in the cup with you and no one can jump in another person’s cup and be seen by. So, you know, you, you have every right. And that’s where you have to be understand that any anger that comes from them is because of the hurts and you just don’t need you. You need the boundary, you need the space, you need the cup, you need that little thing that you need to get into this one, into this one. So they have to do the work. And if it means that you don’t see them anymore, it means that you do this.
Dr. Leaf: 01:14:17 You’ve got to do, what’s good for you. Otherwise you will just get, make them worse because you just going to shoot out all those negative photons we spoke about earlier on, you’ve got to get to the uncomfortable of creating the space and hopefully they’ll see your change and feel your love. And which may be, you know, just, you say peace, peace in the midst of caffeine, you can stay calm where you used to freak out, maybe, or get upset and cry or whatever. When they see, Hey, they’re not getting that same reaction. All they’re getting from you is love photons. They don’t know what they are, but that’s what they feeling that neutralizes. Hopefully that’s the prompt for them to pull back and sort out their life. If not, and if they don’t respect, you have every right to then if it’s affecting your mental health, you just keep that boundary until they’ve done the work. You don’t have to allow them in your life. If they haven’t done the work, you just have to get yourself ready and stay in love towards them.
Kimberly: 01:15:09 Oh, beautiful. Dr. Leaf. I mean, there’s so many things I want to ask two more quick questions. This is so impactful. Um, for everyone listening, um, the work of the heart math Institute, talking about the, the, the, the vibration of the heart, how does that fit into your research?
The vibration of the heart and how it fits into Dr. Leaf’s work
Dr. Leaf: 01:15:25 Well, I’ve already researched for years. So your heart has a little mini brain of 40,000 neurons, which you would have heard if you’ve followed the work. And they took a lot about that. So that basically your heart, it’s part of your body, even your lungs, your gut, everything has intelligence. They, the neural wiring is everywhere. So, um, it’s never just brain it’s brain and bodies in terms of the heart. The heart does, has it. Every part of the body has a role in our mind and our mind has a role in every part of the body. So when it comes to the heart, heart does some interesting things. It’s connected to the, when you are making a decision, for example, um, there is a connection literally from the front of the brain over here, all the way down into the heart. And as you make a decision, there’s an electrical.
Dr. Leaf: 01:16:08 Um, it’s, it’s, it’s an electromagnetic force and a quantum force that moves between the brain and the heart. And, um, it’s um, when you, as you make it, as you think, feel, choose, think field choosing to choose the heart becomes very activated in the thing field, choose the field, choose the field. So in that little, as you’re about to choose, it seems that the hot fires are at that point. And not that everything else is in firing up this response in every part of the body, but it looks like from the research and the way we were, the way the research has been done and interpreting complex research is that the, the point of choice, the heart releases certain hormones, and one of them is atrial neutrality effect. And which, when it flows through your brain and your body, you get a sense of peace.
Dr. Leaf: 01:16:52 So when you’ve made a good decision, there’s a firing back into the front part of the brain, the connection to the frontal lobe and amygdala, and the heart is this little pathway. And it seems to be a very, not a lot of firing in that area. As you are choosing as talk about it in quantum physics, we talk about as, when you it’s it’s, um, the bus before it’s the bus before the youth of the collapsing of the wave. So when you in a state where it’s not, you, haven’t chosen, I talk about like sitting on a surf board just before you this, before you drive a flight, you’re either going to ride out the way or you’re going to surf the wave. So you’re sitting in that state and it’s in that state that the hot seems to become very, very active. And as you choose the heart releases this hormone, if you’ve chosen your laugh way.
Dr. Leaf: 01:17:38 Yeah. If you’ve turned anything in that direction, and I actually had this great image of sitting on a surf board, and then you choose the right thing being, you know, you ride the wave, whatever. And the atrial nutrient effect of plus 1400 neurophysiological responses will happen. But if you make the wrong decision, it doesn’t get released and you fall back in these doors. I put this picture of jaws with his mark open, you know, you can get out of there just for the analogy though. So you’re in that state of decision-making super position and that’s the term for it. It’s called the super position. And that’s where the heart seems to be very active, but it’s throughout the hottest act. Every cell of the heart has even made me that’s in your brain. Every cell of the lungs has even made me that’s in your breath. Unbelievable. Yeah, it is. And be carrying in as best as you could before the blood from the mother is inside of you and your blood is in your mother. So you carrying each other. And that means your mother’s blood cells are in you and her memories, are you
Kimberly: 01:18:31 Wow. And not the father
Dr. Leaf: 01:18:33 Necessarily. And the father that comes through the sperm so that the father has just as much influence. So there’s a huge, the way that the sperm forms and the vesicles of the sperm sex and everything through the growth from a child to an adult. And then in conception, all of that goes through to the entire, for the end. Mother is in you for generations back and probably more, but it comes to everything comes through the good, the bad and the ugly, but it comes through on top of your genetic code, but it comes through dormant. So everything from previous generations comes through to what’s called epigenetics, but it doesn’t, it’s only activated. If it’s nurtured, activated, it’s opened up where it can be destroyed or activated or stay dormant. There’s three options for things that come through the bloodline.
Kimberly: 01:19:18 Wow.
Dr. Leaf: 01:19:20 That’s another whole discussion. I don’t have time. I’ve got, and I’ve got another interview.
Kimberly: 01:19:24 Uh, last, last, very last quick question. I really resonate with your work, Dr. Leaf, about 10 seconds, 63 days, doing the work, doing real work. I live in LA where, um, it’s become quite popular and I’m sure you’ve heard about all the different plant medicine modalities. People are drinking things and taking things and saying, this replaces my therapy. This is me doing the work. Um, you know, I don’t want to open a can of worms here, but I’ve met people that are, you know, drinking a lot of different things consistently, and then saying, you know, it’s almost like they’re, um, they’re spiritually increases. Now I’m a healer. I have this or this what’s going on there. You know, do you think it’s just, you know, creating some sort of harmony their mind temporarily, or
Dr. Leaf: 01:20:10 There’s a lot of things going on. And I only have a few seconds left by producers in the room, but very quickly, it’s once again, looking for a quick fix. So whether it’s a pool or an activity or something, doing something external, taking something external and putting it inside, but it’s not going to be sustainable because you have to do the inside. Everything works out. You have to change brain, body, mind, brain, and body has to change. So all those extra things just add value to the pot, but they never going to be sustainable. So you can’t just drink some plant and think that that’s going to fix your trauma or have, you know, to have a mushrooms [inaudible] having, which will basically help you under very controlled conditions can bring help. It’s a, it’s a psychoactive substance that brings stuff out of the brain and the body, but that’s not going to heal. You have to do the work of once it’s up. And it can be a lot for some people. So some of those plants can have very strong psychoactive effects. Um, things like it, nothing external, physical, putting in is going to solve the problem. It’s only going to be part of a solution. The solution has to be mind driven mind without mine. You kind of wasting your time.
Kimberly: 01:21:22 I love that. And that’s very concise, amazing answer for that. Dr. Leaf, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. Incredible. Thank you so much. My pleasure.
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