How to Find Fulfilling Love and Keep it Sacred, with my Hubby Jon Bier [Episode #915]

Topic: How to Find Fulfilling Love and Keep it Sacred, with my Hubby Jon Bier 

 

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Episode Summary

How to Find Fulfilling Love and Keep it Sacred, with my Hubby Jon Bier

In this conversation, Kimberly Snyder and husband Jon Bier discuss the topic of love and how to find and keep the right love. They talk about the power of the heart and how it can transform relationships and attract love. They share their personal experiences and how their relationship has evolved through heart coherence. They also discuss the importance of keeping love sacred and the practices that can help maintain a deep and fulfilling connection.

 

Episode Chapters 

00:00 Introduction: Love and the Sacred
02:45 The Power of the Heart in Love
08:20 Transforming Relationships through Heart Coherence
13:01 Keeping Love Sacred
18:00 The Impact of Attachment and Emotional Ups and Downs
27:23 Awakening the Heart for Deeper Connections

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Kimberly Snyder (00:01.614)
Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview show. Look who we have here. Hubby, partner, mirror, soulmate, my hubby John is back with us today to talk about how to find the right love and keep it sacred. Hubby, thank you so much for coming here. Thank you for having me back in the perfumed.

womb here that is your sanctuary. It’s wonderful to be here. Sometimes you’re invited down in the office as are the kids, although generally it really is a sacred space. I’m grateful to have this space, although I sit here and share it with all of you guys if you’re watching this on YouTube or if you’re listening to the podcast. It really is in this beautiful environment.

And speaking of beauty, I’m really excited to talk about this beautiful subject about love and how we really attract that love that we all deserve. This is a big subject in the new book, The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts. There’s the gold cover. And, Havi, you play a role throughout the book. Who knew? You know, who knew? I’m reading it currently for the first time.

It’s a wonderful book and it is kind of fun, like just jumping onto sections and having it be all about our love and a lot of really nice things said about me, which feels good. Well, what’s amazing about this book and I shared about it recently on Instagram is that I’ve always shared in my books what I felt like have really helped me and that I think could support other people. You and I were talking about this on the porch the other night.

after the kids were in bed, but I have never been so transformed in the writing of a book. And this started a few years ago when I was actually writing You Are More Than You Think You Are. I came across some research about heart math, from heart math about heart coherence and just how we can really use the power of our hearts. I didn’t even know that the heart was another brain. I don’t think most of us realize that.

Kimberly Snyder (02:20.684)
And then I started taking this deep dive into the holy science, the book by Swami Sri Yukteswar, where he lays out the Vedic teachings about the five stages we all awaken the heart in. And then they were parallel. The science was parallel to these teachings. And when I started to live it, and we’ll talk about the practical benefits here in just a moment, you and I can honestly say how different.

I know I feel a relationship is there’s so much more coherence, calmness, connection in our family life. And this is really something that’s, you know, like you’ve talked about, we’ve talked about written all these other things, but this ties everything together. The heart is right here. It’s your power center. It’s the center of your life. can change how you eat, how you feel, how you think, how you make love, how you…

feeling your relationships at work and at home, how you attract love. We’ll talk about the science of the heart field. It’s really been transformative. It’s very powerful and you have gone so much deeper into your practice, which was already pretty deep. And I have gone deeper into my practice, which wasn’t that deep. And it’s still something that, you know, I’m working on, but I will say that having you going so deep, I think,

has just impacted how we interact with each other. And so it’s almost, it’s healing for me also because it’s just like, you’re less reactive. So I have less things to, you know, like grab onto. Well, before we go further, I want to mention to you guys, I don’t want to get into this because there’s signs to this, these heart fields, but I want to mention before I forget to mention this, that if you pre -order the book,

in the next little while, you will also enter my four week heart reset program, which I’ll be sitting right here doing live Zooms with you. And it’s gonna be amazing. There’s gonna be a chance to ask questions and to go through these topics together. And we’re doing it over four weeks because the heart aligned meditation study was four weeks where we saw a 29 % increase in coherence. So I’m so excited about this program, you guys. I cannot wait to hold your hand through this process.

Kimberly Snyder (04:36.844)
week one, we’re going to talk about health and vitality. Week two is how to be the anchor to yourself. Week three is relationships. We’re going to take a deeper dive into what we’re talking about here and beyond, how to deepen the relationships you have, how to attract the love that you want, even beyond this information. And week four is going to be about breaking limits and barriers. So check out all the information at mysalina .com slash five hearts book. And I can’t wait for you to join us.

Now, what you’re talking about, babe, is measurable. this also, this was one of the things that blew me away when I started learning about heart coherence. So if you guys are watching this or listening to it, I’ll describe it. This is a graphic on page 45 in the book, and this shows the Taurus field of the heart. I showed this to you too. So it’s amazing in terms of relationships and also attracting relationships is that we are always

emitting energy, right? And this is something that you may kind of intuitively know, people talk about the vibe of people, people talk about energy. But what’s amazing is that it’s measurable. There’s sensitive equipment called magnetometers that measure magnetic fields. And basically magnetic fields are made up of frequencies of light. So this goes to the other science and also spiritually, when you read the Vedas, when you read the Bible, talks about the essence of everything is light. So we are light beings.

We hear about this spiritually, but scientifically, the light frequencies shift and change based on your emotional energies, based on how coherent you are, which means your heart, your brain, and your nervous system are talking, based on how well you take care of your body, based on the foods you’re eating. But a big part of this is learning to not just track your coherence, but train it to become more in sync.

And so what’s really powerful about this, and we’ll talk about our story of how we met, is that you may say that you want that amazing relationship or that you wanna go deeper in your relationship or you wanna create really deeper, better friendships or, you know, work colleagues or whatever it is or romantic partnerships. You may say that, but energetically, the energy doesn’t lie. The field is registered. So you perceive other people’s fields and guess what? They perceive your fields.

Kimberly Snyder (06:54.542)
And it’s measurable again through these magnetometers. And so it extends about 10 feet from your body. It goes beyond your skin. And it also is a hundred times stronger than the fields in your brain. So I have a lot of friends and I know you have some friends, but I have a lot of friends, decent amount of people I know, or that write into our show that are on dating apps and you’re just out there in the world, open to relationships or trying to find their partnership. So in terms of finding the right

love, the fulfilling deep love that I’m so grateful that you and I have, Hubby. One of the most powerful things or maybe the most powerful thing that we can do is start to work with the energy that we are emitting, right? So it starts on the inside, just like food, beauty inside out, health inside out. When we learn these tools that I teach in the book and also that we’ll talk about in the program, you change your frequency.

you change your energy literally. So you can break patterns instead of attracting that same type of relationship where you’d only go so far, you could only get so close. Some of the patterns I had, you can start to actually, because you’re so coherent, you can be magnetic and then you could start to attract on a deeper level, just like we did when we met. Like attracts like. Like attracts like. So.

There was almost like, I mean, I had come out of a deep period of meditation. was after my mom passed away. I mean, I see it in a different light. I’ve told this story before, but now I see it more in terms of this measurable energy. When we met, I had, you know, gone through the breakup. I was a single mom. I was living in the house by myself. And at a certain point I just started, I went really deep in and I started to feel really stable in myself.

like free, like I wasn’t trying to get something to work. I wasn’t attached to anything. I just felt what I would describe in stage three, the third heart stage, steady heart energy, right? So we go in between the heart stages. We can have a moment of the dark heart where we feel overwhelmed or fear or the propelled heart, that stress. Steady is when we start to deepen in ourselves. Fourth stage devoted is where we feel more of that peace and unconditional love. And then the clear heart stage five is the oneness.

Kimberly Snyder (09:17.666)
So we get glimpses of all these stages, though we tend to inhabit one heart stage primarily in a period. But it was that particular period where we met, where I was in a steady heart period in a moment. And so we went to this dinner party and if I was more incoherent, I’m not sure we would have seen each other. You may not have seen me and that I might’ve sort of, you know.

Just thought, we look really different or this just doesn’t seem like my type. Whatever it was. But it was that steadiness. you know, this term in yoga is called equanimity where the lake studies and then you can see more, see more. You you seemed like my type. Sure. A little goody two shoes. Everything else. mean, God damn.

So it was this, we think about how, how we often, when I say we, I mean, as a collective, how sometimes we, we pick partners from these different stages of coherence. So let’s say from the dark heart, which is where the heart and brain aren’t talking really well. And so we get up in our heads a lot. There’s thinking, there’s confusion, there’s lack of purpose, there’s fear. So I can think back to dark heart periods.

where I chose a partnership, partnerships of people that were really nice, but I didn’t fully love them because my fear was abandonment because my mom went back to work when I was two weeks old. She was working. She’s amazing mother, but you know, I had this sense of, my gosh, it can be left. So I didn’t want to re, you know, I did, that was a big root fear. So I can look back at moments where it wasn’t that full fledged.

deep connection that I said I wanted. choices. Yes. Said I wanted, but energetically what I was admitting, what I was attracting, what I was really receiving was on that level of where I was in my heart awakening. And then the propelled heart is another stage where I inhabited a lot of my life, which is externally focused. So here’s the plan. It’s supposed to be married, have kids by a certain age. How much money am I supposed to make? What do I look like on, you know,

Kimberly Snyder (11:36.684)
social media to others, like very externally our worth and our identity becomes very external. So then I had a partner at a certain point that fit in. knew the same people, we were going to the same events. It just kind of fit into the plan. But again, from an energetic standpoint, when we think about heart awakening, which isn’t so linear, it’s not on this level of what does this look like? What does it seem like on paper? Which can be what it…

gets reduced down to in dating apps and things like, whatever you list as your hobbies, it’s not the energy of this full heart connection. So it’s like only getting so close to just that feeling of like unfulfillment. So I think, you know, if you reflect back maybe in your past, babe, where you were in different heart stages and what you may have been attracting, but I’m not sure even six months.

Earlier, we would have seen each other. I don’t like this microphone, it’s difficult. I’m leaning forward, I don’t think so. think that I enjoyed being single and I wasn’t looking for a partner. And anytime I was in a relationship, not to belittle my other relationships, but it was kid stuff.

You know, it just wasn’t there. wasn’t like what I thought was love was, you know, a shadow of love. and that’s all I knew. But, and it was, you know, and it might’ve been infatuation. might’ve been wanting to, you know, not be lonely for the winter. Might’ve been, companionship might’ve been the idea of it, but it wasn’t that, you know? And then, when I saw this and I’m, you know,

maybe lucky that I really trust my instincts, but I was like, I was like, I’m done. And there was nothing to really base that off of other than intuition. Yeah. So what also is amazing about this work, we talk about the steady heart, the type of love that is fulfilling and expands. And we’ll talk about keeping it sacred in a moment, but there’s this steadiness.

Kimberly Snyder (13:57.878)
And what it started to do was it stabilized the rest of our external life, like back to the inside out. So for instance, your business stabilized and then started to grow so much. We bought a home together, land, we bought a farm, had another child. We three homes in three years. Well, there was this stabilizing, because what happens when we are in…

You know, the propelled heart or the dark heart and that incoherence, which can also be shown on HRV patterns. There’s some other graphs in the book, which I share. that what’s happening in your body is happening in your life. Right? So those erratic, I just want to show you guys that are watching this on YouTube because it’s such a profound graph. This is on page 29.

And this is the data, the research that was used in the heart aligned system. There’s the heart aligned harmonize in life tool, which you can do in the middle of life in the propelled heart chapter. So anyways, this is the HRV pattern of someone in anger or chaos. This is also what a chaotic relationship would look like if you could measure it in terms of these magnetometers or these wave pro equipment pieces, right? It’s dramatic. There’s ups and downs and see these sine waves. This is where your body’s like an appreciation and calmness.

and the heart -based emotions. So this echoes what started to happen in our life. At first we got together and we were like, you know, there’s a steadiness, but then when you come into real love, this was our experience. you know, other people, I was talking to someone yesterday, this was her experience too, and she found her now fiance. There’s almost, it brings up triggers again. Like, gosh, is this gonna…

you know, are you going to abandon me now that I’ve committed to you now that I really love you? This is a little bit scary. So then it can bring up those deep wounds. There’s a dark heart energy comes back up. We’ve always said about, you know, the right part, right partnership. And I use that term loosely, that fulfilling whatever you want to say that the twin flame, the beautiful partnership is that it’s a mirror. So the love between us was so strong.

Kimberly Snyder (16:08.354)
but it showed me things that I had been hiding, didn’t see for myself in other relationships because of that steadiness of our love helped me say, wow, I am reactive about things that are my own things. And same thing for you. I mean, those were a challenging first couple of years, you know, maybe like both some of the most.

deep and filled with love and romantic and all of that, but also a lot of shadows. A lot of shadows. There were times where we would get irritated with each other, go in other rooms, speak sharply, know, feel that sense of separation from each other. It was a lot of growing. Very typical traumas, you know, like, like abandonment. And, you know, for me, I think maybe more about like castration.

you know, controlling. And that’s like really Freudian. You know, it’s like those are traditional. You’d say to me sometimes, you’re not my mother. You’d literally say those words. And it was just like, you know, these wounds and these things. And part of the research and the hidden power of the five hearts, which is really powerful, is that the brain alone, the brain up in our head stores all these memories and the amygdala.

campus, there’s parts of the brain that create these neural patterns that are going to create these reactions over and over again. I feel like you’re not seeing me. This feels like a threat. This doesn’t feel safe. And so it’s playing things out over and over again. So what’s really powerful about heart coherence and these teachings that come from the Vedas, they come from Swami Sri Yukteswar Yogananda, the science, the research.

is that since the heart is another brain with 40 ,000 neurons, you can start to break those patterns. And I don’t want to say almost instantly, but as you start to awaken the heart, it’s like blast through, you know, potentially years of talk therapy, trying to evolve past certain patterns, you just start to perceive differently. This is the biggest thing, like heart awakens or third eye opens. So I could perceive the situation differently. It feels like

Kimberly Snyder (18:27.746)
When you awaken the heart intelligence, it’s like zooming out, seeing things from a larger standpoint. So that means I could perceive really myself and my patterns. could perceive what you were really trying to say instead of from my trauma based perspective. So it was like, we found the steady love, but keeping it sacred meant facing those dark heart shadows and fears, which are some of the tools I teach in the dark heart. have to move through the darkness and then as coherence.

increases, it’s like turning on lights because dark doesn’t mean evil, it just means we can’t see. And then now I feel like a lot of where I inhabit is that devoted heart, devoted to love, devoted to peace, like moment to moment. It’s not these propelled heart grandiose goals, let me achieve another thing or take another thing off the list. It’s like living becomes so much more light and enjoyable and then the love becomes more more sacred.

that’s true. So it just keeps evolving. And again, this whole idea of from the inside out, it really is this incredible gateway of the heart that, you know, I’ve talked a lot about the third eye in the past and done meditations and all sorts of different practices. But what I love about this heart work is it ties together so much around. It’s just this full presence.

It’s bringing you out of your head, out of the thinking, out of the past, out of whatever about the future. It’s like right here. Yeah. And it’s also, especially in the last couple of months with you, I say this to you a lot because you’re always radiant. Like that’s one of your things. you are, you’re like backlit. You’re like, especially beaming these days. And I think it’s partially because one, you know, like your skin looks so good. Your hair looks so good. Your body looks so good. But

I walk into a room and you’re just like smiling, you know, deeply a lot, like you’re happy. And, that has, you know, like just that, that, that carries with your, your, your energy is, is like visible to the, to the eye. Well, thank you so much, baby. this is also the potential for everyone. So.

Kimberly Snyder (20:45.334)
Sometimes we think it has to do with genetics or the type of childhood we were raised in or all sorts of things. We’re all on this journey, but I can say this. We all can awaken the power of our hearts. And what you’re seeing, baby, thank you so much for beautifully wording that is just a deeper sense of heart awakening. And so I want to read you guys this quote.

from Swami Sri Yukteswar, who if you’re not familiar, I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned this already. He is the guru to Yogananda who brought yoga to the West. This is where one book called the Holy Science where he lays out these five heart stages. And in that book, he says, the core essentials of life are sat, existence, chit, consciousness, and nanda bliss. And this is one of my favorite lines. These three are the real necessities of the human heart.

and have nothing to do with anything outside his self. So this brings up another really important topic, attachment. with different traumas for abandonment, like for example, my core, one of my core traumas, attachment means I have to keep this safe, right? It’s the pushy, the pulley, like, you know, and you see it a bit with E or older son because he was my first true love.

needing, wanting, right? Just holding on so much. But as Swami Sri Itishvara says, as we awaken the heart, we start to feel this self -reliance and that we don’t need all this stuff and we don’t need people. But then it’s not that we love them less, we actually can love them in a much more deeper connected way because when attachment falls away, it’s just this pure connection. Like, love you, I accept you, I accept myself.

And so it really transforms the relationships to be so healthy, lighter. Like I don’t need you to see me. don’t need, you know, this person to say thing in a certain way to validate me. There’s more, there’s less grievances against other people. You can just sort of zoom out and say, but I see myself. I feel this real steadiness in my heart. So you need less and less.

Kimberly Snyder (23:04.374)
And that’s a really powerful place to be. Yeah. And it’s not to say you don’t get triggered by those things. It’s to say that you get triggered less by them. And when you do get triggered, like we’re all human. Yeah, exactly. come back very, quickly. Exactly. You know, the dark heart, when we don’t have these tools, and I was talking to someone about on this, about another podcast, you know, the research shows that five minutes of recalling anger can

drop your IgA levels, your immunity antibodies for six hours. And two minutes of irritation can put into processes, 1500 biochemical processes that ultimately drain your energy, right? So imagine throughout the day, if you don’t have these heart, coat, stoles, and I didn’t have them before, you see something on social media and it kind of bothers you and you don’t have the tools for getting back. It really can ruin your day. It really can ruin your morning. It can create a state of incoherence.

that changes your perceptions. It will change how you are on that work Zoom, how you are when you drop off your child at work, their interaction at the coffee shop, you get off center versus like you said, we can still get triggered, but the heart aligned steady in life practice for instance, in stage three is coming back. The propelled heart main practice is called harmonize with life. These are practices you can do in three to 10 seconds.

so that the micro moments don’t start to take over. Yeah. Keep coming back over and over again. And so I really live the book, babe. I mean, I can honestly say I live these practices. They have transformed my day. feel like I had a lot of energy before because I eat clean, I do food combining and, you know, use non -toxic products and do all these things. get sunlight, I walk outside, but.

What I was underestimating, which I think a lot of us do, is how much of a toll the emotional ups and downs take on us, on our energy. And again, back to relating to the subject, when we’re trying to attract the right relationship, if we are drained, if we are incoherent, if we are in emotional chaos and stress responses, you know, in that sympathetic overdrive versus rest and digest, we’re going to attract more of that drama or…

Kimberly Snyder (25:21.068)
the hard field or we will repel what we want.

So the energetic resurgence I felt in myself, the lightness, just having lighter thoughts, things don’t bother me for as long. I mean, this is so priceless. And it’s all science. know, this is the culture has to be at a time where it’s willing to actually, you know, see this. Otherwise it’s perceived as very woo woo. And I think that culture right now is at a place where

people are willing to see this and that the science and the spiritual part of it are kind of, you know, merging. Yes, I was, you know, the science is there for the discerning mind. The science backs up what the ancients have always known, the Egyptians, the Babylonians, all these world cultures and religions talked about the heart. So it’s not all science, but the science validates.

what we can’t even fully measure. We can’t even fully put into words this intuition. If you just focus on your heart now or place your hand on your heart, we can intuitively feel there’s a gateway there. There’s a center. The ancients always knew it was more than just a physical organ. So yes, there’s these incredible scientific pieces of equipment and measurables and things that we can do. And you’re right. Sometimes people in society need that.

Like you said, the energy of the room, I walk into the coffee shop, I get this vibe that’s measured now with those magnetometers. But in terms of keeping things sacred, which I want to cover before we sign off here, because there’s so much, I could talk to you forever, baby, but we’ll wrap up here in a few moments, is that, and I talk about this in the devoted heart, you keep the heart activated, which means you keep tuning into the heart. This is heart -based living, filtering your words through your heart.

Kimberly Snyder (27:23.03)
instead of from the reactive mind. So we keep it sacred by speaking to each other from our hearts, staying in our hearts with our actions, how we treat each other. I’m focusing on our togetherness and my heart when we’re making love. And it’s transformed our physical connection. It feels so deep and even more incredible than ever.

this hard energy can run through everything and it’s changed us as parents, it’s changed the dynamics of the family because of course we know our energy as parents has such a profound effect on the children. So this idea of keeping it sacred means, again, just like the hard stages, you still get to this amazing love. Like we met, it was so amazing. You don’t just get to stay there, nothing’s static. You have to keep.

this practice going, the primary practice is keeping the heart activated, keep turning to the heart for its wisdom, keep doing your heart coherence tools. And the heart aligned meditation that we used in the study four to five times a week was, and you guys can get the tracks over at mysalooner .com slash five hearts book, less than eight minutes. But the other one, want, I want to make this clear. This isn’t just about meditation, the tools, that

you learn in the book are interwoven in your life. So again, three seconds while you’re in traffic or 10 seconds while you’re doing the dishes or your child’s having a tantrum, you keep turning to the heart’s power. You do your coherent, focused breathing. You do these techniques to activate and to change your physiological state, which then changes the perceptions that you’re registering in your brain and your nervous system. So, I mean, I’m just really grateful for you, baby, and our love.

And it’s been such an amazing journey to share with you guys. We were so excited when we met, COVID hit, like lots of things happened. And we’ve never really shared so open about, I would say the first two years, those struggles and the learning curves and the dark heart energy that really came out that needed to be studied through the heart. It wasn’t gonna get studied through.

Kimberly Snyder (29:35.84)
know, mental place or saying, you know, I shouldn’t, this shouldn’t bother me. Or, you know, in our journey, just talk therapy. was this incredible heart, amazing awakening that has, like exploded our relationship into a new state of expansion. it does start with that intuition, right? Because had we not been foundationally there, not been committed, those struggles would have been way too much to overcome. We would have just been, out. This is

too challenging, but we saw each other. Yes, exactly. And so that is another topic in the book is intuition, how we learn to hear about the difference between the ego and really when the heart’s speaking, which we can learn to discern more over time. You’ve always, despite our traumas and our reactivity, you and I have always been intuitive about some of the bigger things.

Yeah, thank you, baby, so much for sharing with us today. I love having you on the show. I’m happy to be here. Thank you. And thank you, my loves, for listening to this. I cannot wait to share more and more with you about this. is I hope and pray and know it will transform your life the way it has transformed mine in different ways for each of us.

As I mentioned, I have more energy. I feel so much more connected to you, babe. There’s just so much more peace and energy and clarity in my life. and look at that smile. Ear to ear. My goodness. So, once again, I want to personally, personally invite you, by pre -ordering the hidden power of the five hearts to join our four week heart reset. Promise you, it’s going to be amazing. We’re gonna have the live zooms, videos, worksheets.

It’s gonna be a really amazing life -changing course that will run through October. So once again, please check it out over on the website, mysalina .com slash five hearts. And also on mysalina .com, you can submit questions for our Q and A podcast as usual. Check out all our other offerings there and let me know how I can continue to support you. Thank you so much and see you back here soon.

Kimberly Snyder (31:55.948)
Yay!