Understanding Toxic Productivity with Isra Nasir [Episode #963]

This Episode In this conversation, Dr. Ann Shippy discusses the significance of infertility as a health indicator, likening it to a check engine light that signals underlying health issues. She emphasizes the importance of both partners’ health in enhancing fertility and ensuring the birth of healthier babies. Episode Sponsors FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/KIMBERLY and using code KIMBERLY at checkout.   ANIMA MUNDI OFFER: To get THE PUREST, MOST DELICIOUS, benefit driven Herbal Teas infused with harmonizing adaptogens go to Animamundiherbals.com and use code: KIM20 to get 20% off your purchase!    Dr. Ann Shippy Resources Book: THE PRECONCEPTION REVOLUTION: A Science-Backed Path to Fertility and Generational Health Website: annshippymd.com Social: @annshippymd Bio: Dr. Ann Shippy is a Board-Certified Internal Medicine physician and certified Functional Medicine practitioner based in Austin, Texas. With a background in chemical engineering and a successful career at IBM, she transitioned to medicine after facing her own complex health challenges—an experience that fuels her passion for uncovering and addressing the root causes of illness. Her work centers around four key areas of expertise: longevity, health span (increasing the number of years lived in vibrant, disease-free health), unlocking better outcomes through personalized, data-driven care, and preconception—supporting couples as they prepare to conceive the healthiest baby possible. Using advanced testing and epigenetic insights, Dr. Shippy empowers patients to activate the body’s innate ability to heal, thrive, and even reverse chronic conditions. Motivated by the alarming rise in childhood illness, Dr. Shippy felt a deep urgency to provide answers. That urgency led her to write The Preconception Revolution: A Science-Backed Path to Your Fertility and Generational Health—a hope-filled guide that empowers couples to take control of their fertility and future family health. The book offers a clear, actionable blueprint for reversing the childhood health crisis—one healthy baby at a time. With degrees from Washington University in St. Louis, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and the University of Texas, Dr. Shippy brings a unique blend of engineering precision and medical insight to her work. Her practice—Ann Shippy, MD— is dedicated to helping individuals live better—and get better—with age. SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo  

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr. Nathan S. Bryan Summary: In this conversation, Dr. Nathan S Bryan discusses the critical role of nitric oxide in preventing chronic diseases and promoting longevity. He emphasizes the importance of proactive dietary and lifestyle strategies to maintain health before symptoms arise. Dr. Bryan explains how nitric oxide influences cellular functions, including the activation of telomerase, which helps maintain telomere length, and promotes mitochondrial biogenesis, leading to increased energy production. He expresses why nitric oxide is essential for activating pathways that contribute to a long and healthy life. About Dr. Nathan S. Bryan Dr Nathan S. Bryan is an author and pioneering scientist transforming the way we think about health, longevity, and human performance. His groundbreaking nitric oxide research has challenged health myths, fueled a billion-dollar market, and empowered millions to reclaim their health and optimize performance. He was the first to describe nitrite and nitrate as indispensable nutrients required for optimal cardiovascular health. He was the first to demonstrate and discover an endocrine function of nitric oxide via the formation of S-nitrosoglutathione and inorganic nitrite. This technology is now validated in six published clinical trials. Dr. Bryan earned his undergraduate Bachelor of Science degree in Biochemistry from the University of Texas at Austin and his doctoral degree from Louisiana State University School of Medicine in Shreveport where he was the recipient of the Dean’s Award for Excellence in Research. He pursued his post-doctoral training as a Kirschstein Fellow at Boston University School of Medicine in the Whitaker Cardiovascular Institute. After a two year post-doctoral fellowship, in 2006 Dr. Bryan was recruited to join faculty at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston by Ferid Murad, M.D., Ph.D., 1998 Nobel Laureate in Medicine or Physiology. Guest Resources: Book: The Secret of Nitric Oxide: Bringing the Science To Life Website: drnathansbryan.com Social: @drnathansbryan   Episode Sponsors: ANIMA MUNDI OFFER: To get THE PUREST, MOST DELICIOUS, benefit driven Herbal Teas infused with harmonizing adaptogens go to Animamundiherbals.com and use code: KIM20 to get 20% off your purchase!   SBO PROBIOTICS OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use code PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. Episode Chapters 00:00 The Role of Nitric Oxide in Health and Longevity 00:20 Nitric Oxide and Cellular Function 00:38 Activating Longevity Pathways   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:00.77) Dr. Nathan, thank you so much for joining us here today.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (00:04.266) Kim, so great to be with you. Thanks for having me.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:06.51) I think I hear a little bit of a Texas twang, am I right?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (00:11.562) Probably a little. I grew up in Texas, spent a lot of time abroad. I trained it or went to school in Louisiana and then trained up in Boston before I came back to Texas.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:21.154) Wow, you sort of did a full circle back to your roots. Well, I really enjoyed reading your book, Doctor, The Secret of Nitric Oxide, Bringing the Science to Life. It was really interesting. And I also love how you wove so much about your personal story in and your education and your influences, because I think that brings the subject matter to life even more. And I have so many questions I wrote down.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (00:23.36) No place to go.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:50.54) Before we get into that, have to say Dr. Nathan, right before I came on, and we both modified the time a little bit, I actually took my dad to get a calcium scan. And it was something I had heard about on another podcast interview actually. And I thought, well, maybe it’s a good thing to do. And I can’t tell you how emotional it made me. I was very surprised to see the heart. He’s in his seventies.   So the doctor was going over with us and he’s like, look, he’s in a really good level, but just to see that there was any sort of clogging is scary. know, to think about, like it starts to feel really real when you’re actually looking at the heart and you’re looking at family members’ hearts and how important cardiovascular health is and this whole subject.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (01:24.853) Yeah.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (01:38.644) Well, it’s the number one killer of men and women worldwide. mean, so it’s a very serious subject. you know, think coronary calcium’s are good, but really that’s, you know, it’s good to have data, but we don’t worry about calcified plaque because that stable hard plaque, what you worry about is the soft, vulnerable plaque. That’s the point. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it’s important to put that in context. It’s good data. It’s good to know, but hard   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:50.21) Yes.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:57.43) Yes, and he also got an angiogram. He did that part too.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (02:08.096) A calcified plaque doesn’t kill anybody. It’s the soft plaque that ruptures that causes an MI.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:12.844) Yes, exactly. So at first, I booked him for that, the scan, and then I learned about the soft plaque angiogram and realized how much it seems like the technology has advanced from prior generations and how we can do these tests. So anyways, it was just even more interesting to me to read about nitric oxide being as it’s so related. I want to read this quote that’s in your book.   that was, first of all, a lot of people have heard of nitric oxide because as you talk about, it’s become a popular compound we hear in the wellness world. Some people are using it for working out. You’re talking about it in a much, much deeper way. And this quote, the discovery of nitric oxide and its function is one of the most important in the history of cardiovascular medicine.   and how many people might not even realize how nitric oxide led to the Nobel Prize, and I believe it was in 1998.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (03:16.416) 1998, yeah. And that quote was by Dr. Fuster, who was the president of American Heart Association at the time the Nobel Prize was awarded to. You that quote is, what, 1998? So what is that, 27-year-old quote? And it still rings true today.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:31.48) Can you share with us how the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to Nitrogox, how the new discoveries and new research sort of changed the trajectory of your career and your focus?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (03:42.944) Yeah, well, was the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine in 1998 that was awarded to Bob Furchcott, Lou Ignarro, and Fred Murad. But collectively, they came together and really it was three independent studies. So in 1977, Dr. Murad discovered that drugs like nitroglycerin release nitric oxide, dilate blood vessels, and that’s how they work. Those drugs had been used for more than 100 years prior to they understood how they worked.   but they dilate the blood vessels, they relieve the ischemic pain known as angel in patients with obstructive coronary disease. And so, I mean, that was an important discovery in pharmacology on understanding how certain drugs work. But really, I think the seminal discovery was by Bob Furchcott in 1980, where he discovered that our endothelial cells, the cells that line all blood vessels throughout the body, produced a molecule that caused these blood vessels to dilate or to relax. And he didn’t know what this molecule was.   So he called it endothelium derived relaxing factor. Obviously by naming this molecule, this unknown molecule, knew how or he knew where it was produced and what it did. It was a relaxing factor produced in our endothelial cells. And then, you the race was on what is this EDRF molecule? Because if you could identify that it would be revolutionary in basket biology. And it was Lou Ignaro who went on to later discover that EDRF is actually nitric oxide.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:41.614) Mm.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (05:07.358) So the story came together that whether if you give a nitric oxide releasing drug or you stimulate endogenous nitric oxide production, it dilates blood vessels, it improves oxygen and nutrient delivery, and it controls everything we know about the cardiovascular system. I think that’s why Val Fuster had made that quote because it was and is and will remain to be the greatest discovery in the history of cardiovascular medicine.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:32.866) Well, besides pharmaceutical or medications, doctor, you talk about in the book about eating green vegetables and how vegetables have nitric oxide and it’s related. This is really interesting oral bacteria. I keep hearing how bad mouthwash is for you, but just to keep, you know, the biology of your mouth intact, but also vegetables. can we, and I love how you talk about a plant-based diet in the book as well and all the research. And I want to show you, I’m drinking my glowing green smoothie right now.   I have a, my family has a tremendous amount of greens every day that made me really happy. My kids drink it, my dad drinks it, my husband drinks it. So is it enough to eat a vegetable, a pro-vegetable diet, given that of course levels may decrease over time, but is that the foundation of nitric oxide levels in the body?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (06:02.666) There you go.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (06:23.398) No, not really. mean, what we’re finding is that… So nitric oxide is a gas, right? Your body has to make it. So nitric oxide is not found in vegetables. It’s not found in beets. It’s not found in capsules or pills. And I think that’s the misconception because the general public doesn’t understand that nitric oxide, when it’s produced in the body, it’s a gas. And once it’s produced, it’s gone in less than a second. So really…   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:34.574) Mmm.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:44.054) Okay.   Yeah, I read that. It’s crazy!   Dr Nathan S Bryan (06:48.896) My challenge was, and really how I got involved in the field 25, 26 years ago, was trying to figure out once nitric oxide is produced and it’s gone in less than a second, where does it go, what does it become, and how does it signal? Because we knew that the physiological effects of nitric oxide lasted longer than one millisecond or two milliseconds. So then we had to create this fingerprint of N-O-Biology that once it’s produced, where does it go, what does it become, and how does it signal?   So once we understood that and then we started trying to figure out, how does the human body make nitric oxide? So as we discussed, it’s produced in the lining of the blood vessels and that production pathway gets, I guess, more dysfunctional with A. So we lose about 10 to 12 % of our nitric oxide production through that enzyme per decade. But you mentioned diet. Diet is an important contributor factor in the prevention, the treatment, and the curing of all disease.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:37.71) Mm.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (07:47.048) Diet and lifestyle are the number one things for this. So we discovered probably 25, 30 years ago, even dating back before that, it was recognized that there are bacteria that live on the crypts of the tongue in the oral cavity that were somehow responsible for nitric oxide being produced, nitric oxide gas being produced in the lumen of the stomach. So then you start to figure out, how do we get from bacteria in the mouth to producing nitric oxide gas?   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:09.506) Wow.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (08:15.87) And what it was later discovered was inorganic nitrate that’s found in green leafy vegetables, really anything grown in the soil, right? Because the soil has contained nitrogen. It’s either in the form of ammonia or nitrate. And then those plants assimilate the nitrate. Then when we consume those plants, that nitrate is taken up in our gut. It’s concentrated in our salivary glands. And now each time we salivate, we’re secreting nitrate.   these nitrate reducing bacteria that live on the crypts of the tongue activate or metabolize that nitrate into nitrite. And then we swallow our own saliva and that’s the source of the nitric oxide gas. But there’s many steps as you start to understand that are required. Number one, you must get enough nitrate in your diet. Number two, you must have the right oral bacteria because humans do not have the capacity to metabolize nitrate. We do not express the nitrate reductase enzyme.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:55.885) Wow.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (09:12.478) And then number three, you must have stomach acid production. When we started figuring out, the standard American diet, you’re only getting about 150 milligrams of nitrate per day, and you need at least 300 to 400 milligrams. Number two, and the major problem is two out of three Americans use mouthwash. Almost everybody has fluoride in their toothpaste. 73 %   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:15.81) Right.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:33.326) The fluoride will kill out the healthy microbiota.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (09:37.088) Now that’s right, fluoride is in toothpaste and mouthwash and drinking water because it kills bacteria. So it’s killing the good bacteria, it’s killing the bad bacteria, it’s a neurotoxin, it’s just on your thyroid function. And then the other… No, it’s awful. And then the other problem are antacids. know, 200 million prescriptions written for antacids every year and two out of three Americans report using an over-the-counter antacid.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:43.767) Yes.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:47.596) I’m so glad I won’t use that.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (10:03.988) So everything that we do, our diet, oral hygienic practices, pharmacotherapy, seems to disrupt and shut down nitric oxide production. And to me, that explains why people are so sick.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:13.399) Okay.   Can I ask you a question about oral health besides the fluoride doctor, if people have a lot of gum issues or cavities or just eating a really acidic diet in general, there’s a lot that can also throw that part of the equation off, I imagine.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (10:33.124) For sure. What we’re understanding now that the microbiome has been mapped on the humans, all the bacteria that live in and on the human body, there’s 10 times more bacteria than there are human cells. The problem is what we call dysbiosis. When the terrain or the ecology of that environment changes to where it doesn’t allow for the good guys to repopulate and it allows for the opportunistic pathogenic bacteria to show up and wreak havoc.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:44.182) What?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (11:01.598) So what we’re finding now is you can’t destroy the microbiome. We have to support it and we have to change the ecology. We have to change the environment to where the pathogens can’t grow. The good guys act as the cops. They keep the bad guys at bay. And that should really be the target. But you made a couple of interesting comments or spot on comments. A diet, an acidic diet, a high sugar diet. When we eat those types of food, it drops the pH of the saliva and it makes it more acidic.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:24.899) Yeah.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (11:30.814) And now an acidic saliva allows for the population of these caries causing bacteria, the gingival bacteria that cause gingivitis, periodontal disease. And so the solution, once upon a time, was just to kill the bacteria. Throw an atomic bomb in your mouth with fluoride wrenches, with alcohol wrenches, with chlorhexidine, and just kill all the bacteria. But now we know that’s causing more harm than it is providing benefit. So the strategy now is to change your diet.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:54.764) Right. Right.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (11:59.434) change your oral hygienic practices, create an environment that’s conducive to good diverse oral microbiome. Not only do you have better oral hygiene, but you maintain optimal nitric oxide production, you get better blood pressure management, and your body’s more healthy.   So back to the nitric oxide, we’ve been talking about the benefits for cardiovascular wellness. And you also talk about in your book, there’s a section about potentially helping to reduce systemic inflammation, telomeres, mitochondrial function. Can you talk about benefits in those areas as well?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (15:35.112) Yes, so the drivers, if you look at any, we’ll handle the of the drivers of chronic disease, then we’ll look at the hallmarks of longevity because I think they’re all related, but they’re typically two different kind of subject matters. But if you look at chronic disease, whether it’s heart disease, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, autoimmune disease, there’s always four things that are present in all of those disease. There’s always low blood flow to the affected organ. There’s always inflammation, oxidative stress and immune dysfunction.   And it’s the loss of nitric oxide that drives all four of those. Because if you can’t make nitric oxide, you don’t dilate the blood vessels until you get low blood flow, we it ischemia hypoxia. You get runaway inflammation. Your mitochondria become uncoupled. You generate a lot of superoxide and oxidative stress. And then our immune cells start attacking our body. We can develop autoimmune or we call immune dysfunction. And interestingly, if you can just restore the production of nitric oxide, it dilates the blood vessels.   It suppresses the inflammation. In fact, I have several patents on the methods of reducing inflammation by using nitric oxide. And it’s getting to the source of the oxidative stress. It’s recoupling the electron transport chain of the mitochondria. It’s shutting down superoxide production from NADPH oxidase and then even the enzyme that makes nitric oxide. We can suppress that enzyme from making superoxide. And then it corrects the immune dysfunction that we see.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:36.855) Wow.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:58.136) Wow.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (16:58.762) So nitric oxide is the foundation for preventing the onset and progression of chronic disease. But that’s medicine, right? And medicine is a reactive practice. What we hope to do is change the conversation of being proactive and start to implement dietary lifestyle strategies before you get sick and before you develop symptoms. But when we talk about longevity, we always look at the length of our telomeres, we always looked at the function of our mitochondria.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:19.873) Right.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (17:25.664) and then we look at how well our stem cells can mobilize and differentiate. And I talk about in the book, and this is published science that goes back 20 years now, nitric oxide activates an enzyme called telomerase, prevents telomeres from shortening. It activates mitochondrial biogenesis. So if you have nitric oxide, you have more mitochondria per cell generating more energy with less oxygen. And then it’s the signal that tells our own stem cells to mobilize and differentiate.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:29.997) Right.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (17:52.042) So if you want to a long, healthy life, you have to have nitric oxide to activate these longevity pathways.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:59.574) So one of the things that, and that’s all amazing, and I think there was some confusion you mentioned in the book, and I remember reading about this as well, where people thought, well, maybe I’ll take L-arginine as a supplement. Can you talk about, can you clarify that for us?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (18:11.146) day.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (18:15.648) Yeah, so this goes back to really the year the Nobel Prize was awarded because the pathway that was discovered, this enzyme, nitric oxide synthase, takes L-arginine and converts it to nitric oxide gas. And then we get little citrulline as a byproduct. But because L-arginine is a semi-essential amino acid, meaning that we get it from the breakdown of protein, whether you’re eating plant protein or animal protein, L-arginine is found in most proteins. So as long as we have stomach acid production, we’re constantly getting L-arginine through our diet.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:27.906) Right.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (18:45.792) But every cell in the human body makes arginine through the urea cycle. So we’re never deficient in L-arginine. There’s only one condition, and I’ll talk about it in the book, but it’s a rare inborn ear metabolism where these kids can’t generate L-arginine endogously. But the majority of us, all other humans on Earth, have excess arginine, have more than what’s needed to bind the enzyme to make nitric oxide.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:57.997) Right.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (19:13.856) So to me as a biochemist, it never made sense to supplement with L-Arginine. And in 2006 and 2007, two studies came out which showed that it should be contraindicated and really shouldn’t be given because in a clinical trial in patients who had just suffered a heart attack, they gave one group L-Arginine and one group of placebo. The group that got the L-Arginine had higher mortality, higher death.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:18.158) Right.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (19:40.992) And so the conclusion of 2006 study was you should not give L-Arginine to patients who have suffered heart attack. Why? Because it will kill them. It will kill them more so than giving a placebo. And then the next year in patients with peripheral arterial disease, they did the same study giving L-Arginine chronically and the patients get worse. Their disease gets worse. So…   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:41.366) What?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (20:06.62) Look again, arginine should never be used as a primer for nitric oxide production. Because number one, we’re never deficient in it. Number two, if you have endothelial dysfunction and uncoupled NOS, you make the patients worse. They get worse. And that’s published clinical data, randomized placebo control data. It’s indisputable.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:25.902) Wow, so much conflicting information that we hear. It could be potentially.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (20:32.064) Well, that’s the problem. I mean, that’s really the problem because you’ve got these companies out there as we increase the awareness and the importance of nitric oxide, more companies are entering this space trying to sell nitric oxide products. And if they don’t understand the science, they can actually do harm and first do no harm. then companies are putting citrulline in products and calling it nitric oxide. Citrulline is a byproduct of nitric oxide production.   And so it can be very dangerous and all this misinformation and really ignorance in some cases and in other cases it’s deception and fraud because these companies know better but yet they’re still promoting this.   Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:13.538) So as a baseline doctor, want to make sure our oral health is good. We want to make sure we’re taking in these vegetables. We have stomach acid. How do we know if we’re deficient or not in nitric oxide? Are there any symptoms? Are there any tests?   Dr Nathan S Bryan (21:19.667) Absolutely.   Dr Nathan S Bryan (21:32.426) Well, unfortunately, there’s not any clinical test in terms of drawing blood and getting a number and then sayin

This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr, Jenneffer Pulapaka Summary: In this episode, Kimberly and Dr. Jenneffer Pulapaka discuss the importance of heart health and the role of a plant-based diet in achieving it. She shares her journey into lifestyle medicine, emphasizing the need for a holistic approach to health that includes diet, exercise, and sleep. The discussion covers common misconceptions about protein intake, the impact of inflammation on health, and the benefits of cooking with whole foods. Dr. Pulapaka also highlights the affordability of healthy eating and the significance of understanding the nutritional value of everyday foods.   About Dr, Jenneffer Pulapaka JENNEFFER PULAPAKA, DPM, is a Board-Certified Podiatric Physician Diplomate from the American College of Lifestyle Medicine. A trained podiatric surgeon who specializes in diabetic limb salvage, she is the founder of DeLand Foot and Leg Center. She focuses on Peripheral Vascular Disease, holds a Plant-Based Nutrition Certificate, and is a Culinary Health Education Fundamentals (CHEF) Coach. A Certified Sommelier, she also has 15+ years of experience in menu planning and event design in the restaurant industry and has been a featured sommelier at the James Beard Foundation House. Along with her professional chef husband Hari Pulapaka, she founded Cress Restaurant and they both live in DeLand, FL. They are the co-authors of The Heart Healthy Plant-Based Cookbook.   Guest Resources: Website: www.delandpodiatry.com Book: The Heart Healthy Plant-Based Cookbook   Episode Sponsors: FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/KIMBERLY and using code KIMBERLY at checkout. USE LINK: fatty15.com/KIMBERLY   GLOWING GREENS POWDER OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use the CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. USE LINK: mysolluna.com CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order.   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Heart Health and Plant-Based Diets02:56 The Confusion Around Dietary Trends05:58 Understanding Protein and Kidney Health09:10 The Role of Inflammation in Heart Disease11:55 Personal Journey to Plant-Based Living14:47 Cooking with Whole Foods and Spices17:51 The Importance of Fiber and Gut Health20:58 Exploring Nutritional Benefits of Everyday Foods23:51 The Impact of Sleep on Health26:59 Affordable Healthy Eating29:48 Final Thoughts on Heart Health and Lifestyle SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:01.494)Hi Jennifer, thank you so much for coming on our show today. Jenneffer Pulapaka (00:06.162)Thank you for having me, Kimberly. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:09.282)You know, when your book came across my desk and once again, everyone’s called the Heart Healthy Plant-Based Cookbook, it really caught my eye because I’ve been so interested, especially in the heart lately, the heart, the physical heart, you know, from a health perspective, from a dietary perspective, also from an energetic perspective, a spiritual perspective, how the heart is mentioned in all these different traditions around the world. But I wondered… And you tell a little bit about this in the beginning of your book, but if you could share with us why your focus has really honed in on heart health in particular. Jenneffer Pulapaka (00:46.888)Well, for me, so I am the pioneer of podiatric lifestyle medicine. And a majority of the patients that I see have lower extremity vascular disease with cardiac complications. So that’s the over, the broad overreaching patient population that I treat. And when dealing with patients, I was a typical physician that would treat patients with conventional medicine, was, you want surgery or do you want a pill? And lifestyle medicine allowed me to handle patients more broader with treatments, such as using diet, using sleep, reducing stress, exercise. reducing substance abuse, things like that, that I started to be able to include pillars in their healthcare and see a better outcome in patients. So for me, that’s why it was important. Just because I think I was getting burned out with just, it was the same thing all the time, pills or surgery, pills or surgery, referral, cardiovascular, interventional, cardiologists, what are we doing? And we were not getting off the wheel. You’re just kind of stuck in that cycle. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:00.536)Great. Jenneffer Pulapaka (02:10.875)and you weren’t regaining ground, you weren’t regaining your health, nothing positive was coming out of it except for trying to prevent a catastrophic event. So that’s why a heart healthy cookbook is really key to a majority of my patients. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:21.974)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:31.84)Right. And I want to get into that in a moment. There’s such great information here, but one of the things you said is that we’re on the wheel. Many people are on the wheel. And one of the reasons I think people are on the wheel is because they’re confused. And there’s so much information out there, Jennifer, as you know. And it feels like to me, you know, there is decades of And sort of this general idea that we should limit red meat in particular and these foods that have high cholesterol, foods that feel clogging and common sense as these are really dense foods. But now we’re in a time in culture where there’s, it’s sort of swung, feels like back when I started writing books 11 years ago, I was always talking about this protein question that would come up being plant-based myself. How do you end up protein? And now there’s this such an over emphasis on protein. And what I see, Jennifer, is confusion. People are eating tons of red meat and they’re like, well, I saw such and such and they say that can eat as much red meat as I want or I should sit down and have six eggs. Can you talk to us a little bit about this confusion about cholesterol, foods that are elevating blood pressure, all the research for many decades that don’t correlate necessarily with these health trends or I don’t say health trends. Jenneffer Pulapaka (03:52.72)I mean, that’s great. That is what they are, okay? Bell bottoms, they’re not in fashion right now. They have been in fashion. They went out of fashion. They came back in briefly and they’re out. That’s kind of what we cycle when we deal with food trends. Different diets will keep on coming up historically. But unfortunately, there’s not enough peer-reviewed literature to be behind them. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:53.954)dietary trends. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:06.082)Yes. Jenneffer Pulapaka (04:22.331)We don’t have a big enough population to evaluate certain diets that are out there and nor is there research behind it. So those for me are always risky when it comes to patients. So we’d like to stay when I’m looking at or evaluating diets with patients. I always tell my patients when they were talking about plant-based, they’re like, well, can I add chicken? I’m like, well, you’ve been adding chicken in it and we’re here right now. I’m the thing that’s gotta cause a bump. Why don’t we learn how to not add chicken and not use butter and use a substitute to make it a more healthy option for you? Because what you’ve been doing hasn’t been working. That’s kind of where we are. I only use peer-reviewed literature for the most part. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:05.11)Right. Jenneffer Pulapaka (05:16.677)And it’s for me, it’s very hard because right now I do see a trend of patients who come in, they think they’re on a ketogenic diet. They’re not on a ketogenic diet. They’re never in ketoacidosis. They’re never reducing their amount of carbs to get to that state. And most of my patients are complicated patients, meaning that they have diabetes, vascular disease. Chances are they have chronic kidney disease. When we’re dealing with a lot of comorbidities with patients, we have to be very cognizant when they’re taking high protein diets. One of my biggest concerns is my kidney patients. High protein diets does not bode well for kidney function long term. And Kidego, which Kidney Disease International, when they put out guidelines, the last several years, the primary treatment for Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:58.625)Right. Jenneffer Pulapaka (06:15.719)chronic kidney disease in patients was diet and lifestyle. So it was nice that we saw a really good bump or a really good change in how we’re addressing patients with chronic disease. So now that we had a patient with chronic disease, maybe they don’t even know they’re stage three chronic kidney disease. And now they’re just loading up on all these proteins, which kidneys have to strip off nitrogen and it really taxes the kidneys. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:39.467)Right. Jenneffer Pulapaka (06:46.853)And unfortunately, it usually puts them in a downward spiral towards stage four. And at stage three, we have some really good studies that look at, can we get an improvement in kidney function if we decrease the amount of unused proteins? For the most part, my patients are not active. I am usually negotiating, can I get three days a week? Just three days a week, can you do 30 minutes three days a week? And the standard of care is exercise is five days a week, 30 minutes, moderate intensity. So when my patients tell me I need the protein, I’m like, no, not to walk the Pomeranian, a half a block, that’s not really exercise. I’m glad we’re doing range of motion and I’m glad you’re not doing sedentary, but you’re not really in an exercise state to be getting a lot of benefit. I don’t need to worry about protein issues with you. Now, when I deal with wound care patients, I deal with them. Or if I deal with dialysis patients, when I have a nutritionist, registered dietician that’s on board, then we’re looking at protein loss, but we’re not talking about a majority of patients that are on that. We’re talking about they got a, they went on Pinterest and they got some keto balls, which are hugely high in fat and protein. And nothing about that is gonna help with inflammation, their heart, their blood flow, or their weight. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:58.806)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (08:13.201)Right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:14.752)Yeah. Well, you what you say makes sense and it makes sense to me. And then there’s Dan Buettner, who’s been on our podcast several times. He’s coming back on in December, who’s saying, Hey, look at these human populations, which are eating really fiber rich diets. They’re not hyper fixating on protein. And yet their longevity numbers are the best in the world. Then you have Dr. Michael, Dr. Michael Greger, who also came on with all his thousands of studies. He’s referencing saying, Hey, Look at the research. So why do you think Dr. Jennifer, from your perspective as a physician, you know, it’s like people are going on Pinterest, but I’m also seeing some doctors being like, you know, double the amount of grams that you’re hearing, you know, the recommended doses, one gram per body weight. Where is this coming from? How can, in our culture, we can have such differing views of the research. Jenneffer Pulapaka (08:45.532)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:12.308)And to me, common sense, if you want to open up your blood flow, you don’t want to eat clogging foods and really fatty, dense animal foods all day. But how is this even happening in your opinion? Because it’s mind boggling to me. Jenneffer Pulapaka (09:25.489)Well, we have different specialists that are out there and everyone has a different way of treating patients. For example, okay, for a good example, I have a lot of patients who will come in for lower extremity arthritis and tendonitis and everyone will keep missing kind of the, I don’t wanna say the elephant in the room, but the fact that a lot of my patients have obesity class two, class three, and no one’s even discussed about an oral medication for them at that point in time. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:00.962)Wait. Jenneffer Pulapaka (10:04.165)Some physicians only want to treat with lifestyle medicine or diet or conservative options. So maybe that’s where these practitioners are trying to maybe cause a bump, but I still prefer to stay with evidence-based. I still want lifestyle medicine on my patients. I still talk about diet, but I’m also an advocate for GLP-1, GIPs, phenamine and topramate. I’m an advocate for that. And I’m also very realistic with them that usually when you get on a semi-glutide, you will have to stay on that for life. And then they get upset. And then I just remind them you’re not upset that you’re on lisinopril for life. So now can you look at the benefits of being on a medication long-term, how we’re going to reduce our comorbidities? Maybe you’re going to Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:44.887)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (11:03.105)reduce your diabetes, you’re going to reduce your arthritis and your tendonitis and your like my diabetic patients who have a collapse of the midfoot and I have to deal with all the bone deformity and the ulcerations. So we have a lot of comorbidities that are around obesity as a diagnosis and we haven’t allowed the patients yet flexibility to look at it as a disease and to be treated as such with medication or with diet. So I just don’t only do that. I’m there with conventional medicine, but that may explain why some doctors, like one of my patients today, she was in obesity class three and her doctor was telling her about fiber. Great, wonderful. I am glad he had that discussion, but she’s looking at one total knee on one side and now we have another total knee that’s possibly starting on the other leg. and I had all the tendonitis and tendinopathies in my ankle and in the foot. And he’s still trying to tell her to lose weight and she could lose about a good 75 pounds and then she’ll feel comfortable and then we may see start to see improvement. But he that was the way he wanted to approach it. So that may be the way some physicians want to approach it. It’s not I like better peer reviewed research and A lot of the high fat, high protein diets do not have large scale populations to be looking at. So we don’t hear the nuances. And you know, and I love the Blue Zones. We just had a dinner the other evening that my husband hosted and it was about the Blue Zones. And it was, you know, really… they just the way they eat is healthy. It’s not a planned thing. They don’t make a concerted effort to be like, I’m going to get my fiber in. I’m going to get those things. They actually just eat a more healthy way than we do. And they’ll do conservative, like they’ll have an occasional glass of wine or they’ll eat, you know, fish twice a week or meat every so often. But it’s a more realistic diet. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:07.009)Yeah, it’s Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:19.746)Well, it’s simple, I think, and it’s accessible when you’re cooking one-pot meals and you’re not hyper fixating on numbers. It starts to get really confusing when you start to get heady, I think, versus intuitive and more in your heart, what your body’s drawn to. There’s this section, Jennifer, in your book about inflammation. That’s also one of the things we know is a precursor to heart disease, to many different illnesses in the body. Jenneffer Pulapaka (13:29.084)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (13:40.807)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:47.53)And when you are eating more fiber, it’s feeding those short chain fatty acids, which is helping to reduce inflammation. I, one of my, I’m concerned when people are just focusing on overloading protein, I’ve noticed in people, it’s like protein no matter what. So more meat, more protein bars, more protein shakes. They naturally get less of these colorful fiber-filled anti-inflammatory foods. And so it starts to create this imbalance. Jenneffer Pulapaka (13:51.74)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:17.378)when you’re focusing, your compass is set towards something very different. Jenneffer Pulapaka (14:22.285)find that most patients when they’re focusing on proteins aren’t actually really talking about a whole food. They like to do bars or smoothies or supplements. They’re not actually thinking about food or whole food, whether it’s grains or beans, lentils, seeds, nuts. They’re not really there. They will with their protein. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:29.461)Right. Jenneffer Pulapaka (14:52.045)as in their meats, animal proteins, they will fixate on that. And some of that can be due to the fact that we live in a society that praises wealth and a sign of prosperity has been for a long time that if you eat meats, it’s a status symbol versus I’m going to have a bowl of grains and lentils. there are sometimes we have… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:13.73)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (15:17.767)food can be personal and there are barriers or boundaries that people have to get around when it comes to eating a more healthy way. Because sometimes those family recipes are not healthy. They haven’t been there and that’s why you have a family history of heart attacks, gout, kidney disease, diabetes. It’s, know, the family cycle keeps on feeding you the wrong information. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:39.053)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:44.076)Well, Dr. Jennifer, when did you become plant-based? And I know a lot of this was informed from research. And now, you your husband is, you know, a partner in ways. You guys host a lot of things together. He’s been honored by the James Beer Foundation as a featured chef, working with all these amazing foods. When did you come into this path exactly? Jenneffer Pulapaka (16:05.741)So I first took my turn at 21. I became vegetarian. I decided if I was going to eat meat, I needed to go to a slaughterhouse and appreciate or accept the way the animal was being brought to my table. So after I had that experience, I became a vegetarian. I was not comfortable with Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:18.413)Hmm? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:29.208)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (16:31.463)I was not comfortable and I could not do it and I wouldn’t do it. So I decided at that point in time to become a vegetarian. And that was a pretty rapid change for me. I gave up red meat first. gave up chicken was the last thing. And then I think I finally had like a steak as one last hurrah. And I couldn’t get through eating the steak that I wanted to because I knew it was gonna be great. I couldn’t do it knowing that I went to, it was a… It was a cattle slaughterhouse. I just was like, I can’t. So I’ve been a vegetarian since I was 21. I’m 55. So it’s been a few years. Vegan, I say as much as possible. In my house, I’m vegan. When I go out in public, it is always a battle with how much egg is going to be utilized, dairy. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:24.6)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (17:29.453)in some instances. I’m always able to get vegan vegetarian options, but vegan is a little bit difficult. And if I’m going to get it out in public, it’s usually pretty pretty bad, I say. I usually get pasta primavera. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:36.471)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:44.716)Well, that’s why Dr. Jennifer, I don’t need out very much because I feel like at home there’s, and you can eat these beautiful recipes in your cookbook. It does make it much easier when the more home meals you do eat. Jenneffer Pulapaka (17:56.008)Yeah, you get pasta primavera, plate of sides, you’ll get a salad, or now I can get like a black bean burger. That’s like the, that’s the standard that I get when I eat out. So for me, it’s hard because yes, I do have my husband who is like, you know, a super creative chef when it comes to that. And he was vegetarian until he was 21. After he came to the United States, he was here a few years and then He tried meat. in his professional career as being a chef, he’s been very broad. He cooks a lot of seafood. He’s notoriously known for producing fantastic fish dishes. But I think it was his upbringing that taught him about spice and seasoning and flavor that makes him so good about making plant-based cooking. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:55.786)Right, he grew up in India. Jenneffer Pulapaka (18:55.973)because it was second nature to him, correct. He grew up in India and he came here when he was young. And a lot of us, like I said, we do not have contact with food anymore. And when I do culinary and coaching classes with my patients, we do small group exams. I bring them in foods and we talk about things like that. Like I have an example. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:20.617)Well, and while you’re getting that, I want to mention there’s some call-outs in the book and I want to get into some of the specific information, which is really interesting. But even to educate people, there’s a spice section in the book, you know, and it’s, this is something that everyone in India might know, for example, but here it’s saying, you know, spices are using any part of the plant, but the leaves, if you’re using the leaves, you’re, then it’s considered an herb. And if you’re not using the leaves, it’s a spice. Jenneffer Pulapaka (19:30.961)Yeah. Jenneffer Pulapaka (19:46.737)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:49.006)So I think this appreciation and sort of deeper understanding when we’re looking at any sort of plant and the parts that we’re using starts to create a deeper connection when you’re working with herbs, when you’re working with spices, when you’re cooking. It can be really simple, but it starts to get more, it feels really connected. Jenneffer Pulapaka (19:52.807)Thank Jenneffer Pulapaka (20:08.871)He does a good job. think common spice substitutions like that. was originally we did this in one of the first books that we had. You know what? That’s great. I don’t know how many it’s on page 27. I don’t know how many times my patients will ask. Well, if I don’t have fennel and they get scared about cooking recipes and like, you know, if you don’t have fennel. you know, use a substitute, you know. And if you don’t have it, just don’t use it. Move on. Find something else. Do you like gilding? You know, move forward with something, you know, but they get nervous about substitutions. And I think as you start to cook more and do more and be more hands on, then you’ll realize, you know, I don’t have lemongrass, but yeah, I just use, I just had lemon zest and I use lemon zest and I felt good enough. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:40.926)Right. You said that you- Isn’t that funny? Jenneffer Pulapaka (21:05.957)And then I wanted a little bit more herbaceousness, so I put some basil in it and that was my lemongrass. Perfect. Great substitute. Did you like the food you ate? Yes. Then it was perfect, right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:16.142)Yeah, exactly. Again, less rigid, less heady and confused and more in flow, you know, the energetic part of being living a heart led life. And what I really liked too about the recipes, and I made a bunch of notes if you guys are watching this on her YouTube channel, I’m holding them up. There’s really great information worked into the recipes, which I appreciate. So for example, on page 42, where you talk about kale, Jenneffer Pulapaka (21:23.686)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:45.164)And one of the things that you mentioned is nitrate and nitric oxide and how it helps to open up the blood vessels contributes to the, it’s a vasoactive effector. And then it says, eat it, don’t juice it. And I’ve always been more into smoothies and kale salad instead of juice. Yeah. If you could talk a little bit about that. Jenneffer Pulapaka (21:45.799)it. Jenneffer Pulapaka (21:57.896)Yeah, I love that. Jenneffer Pulapaka (22:06.311)So, and I lecture on this one all the time when I’m talking because you have that nitrate, nitrite, nitric oxide pathway. And nitrates start in the mouth. You start to break it down by chewing. You need mastication with the saliva in order for that enzyme to start as it’s breaking down to your end result is nitric oxide. So it starts in the mouth. So therefore that’s why I’m like, you can’t do it. interesting there was a study that recently came out that was looking at toothpaste and mouthwash. So they were they’re looking into the fact that sometimes when we have this 24-hour toothpaste, well sometimes the bacteria or the enzymes that are in your mouth have a purpose and sometimes those things you know can interfere with that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (22:35.192)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (22:42.966)yes, I read that in here. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (22:49.134)you Jenneffer Pulapaka (23:02.915)It wasn’t a robust enough study, not a big enough population, but it’s an interesting point to see how is that going to play out down the line? You know, are they going to be looking more into that? Because we know you talked about inflammation, gut biome. You know, they do poo samples all the time on people who eat vegetarian, vegan, and meat, you know, and they’re looking to see which ones had the healthiest. And out of all of them, when people Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (23:02.957)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (23:24.483)Right? Jenneffer Pulapaka (23:30.213)have really aggressive disease states that they have to kill off a lot of their bacteria and restart. They’ve had surgeries, really complicated patients, and then they’re inocula

Summary: In this conversation, Kimberly speaks with Dr. Ingrid Clayton who shares her journey of understanding complex trauma and the Fawn response. After years of therapy and personal work, she reflects on her struggles with self-acceptance and healthy relationships. Through her experiences and education in psychology, she has gained new perspectives that have facilitated her healing process.   Episode Sponsors LMNT: OFFER: To get THE PUREST, MOST DELICIOUS PLANT-POWERED protein blend, infused with real vanilla and harmonizing adaptogens go to Animamundiherbals.com and use code: KIM20 to get 20% off your purchase! USE LINK: Animamundiherbals.com and use code: KIM20 to get 20% off your purchase!   FEEL GOOD PROBIOTICS OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use the CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. 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But this whole fawning aspect, which of course we’re going to get into really deeply today, seems to be newer, at least in its identification. Ingrid (00:21.891)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:34.556)Can you tell us a little bit as a clinical psychologist how you even started focusing on this aspect in your work? Ingrid (00:42.666)Yeah, it’s new on the scene to just about everyone, actually. We’ve long talked about fight, flight and freeze, but I feel like fawning has been kind of hiding in plain sight and there are lots of different reasons for that. But one, think when you think about fight, flight and freeze, they look like obvious sort of trauma responses, right? You’re going against the threat. But with fawning, you’re actually leaning in. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:02.138)Yes. Ingrid (01:07.832)the source of harm. And there’s this appeasement factor, which could look like flirting or flattering or going along to get along. There’s a caretaking aspect. So it looks like you have agency. It looks like conscious choice, but actually underneath that is just like a fight, flight and freeze responses and unconscious reflexive survival mechanism. And so, you know, Pete, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:29.519)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:34.864)And why did you focus on this? Ingrid (01:36.782)Yeah, well, so Pete Walker coined the term, the Fawn response, I think in like 2013, but it’s really just coming into the mainstream now. And I come at his work and through this lens of complex trauma, which is relational trauma, in part because I’m a clinical psychologist, but more than that, I’m a childhood trauma survivor. And the reason I became a psychologist to begin with is largely because I’ve been trying to crawl out from under something that I’ve Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:01.754)Yes. Ingrid (02:05.28)lived with my whole life and none of the other frameworks ever freed me, right? Whether you talked about people pleasing or codependency or, know, it just felt like those frameworks were keeping me just as stuck as everything else I tried. And so when I came upon Pete Walker’s work and understanding these behaviors, you know, what we’ve called sort of codependent or people pleasing behaviors, in this trauma-informed lens, it was like, my word, I finally make sense to myself, right? And it just kind of set off this cascade of not only personal understanding, but my work with my clients changed. And now here we have the book on fawning. So hopefully, honestly, more people can make sense to themselves too. That’s the whole point, yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:58.074)You know, I really, think there’s, I think this is a lot more common than we realize. And I also, you know, applaud your bravery and telling some of your story in the book and sharing client stories. And I have to say Ingrid, when I started to read your book, I got a very specific feeling in my body. You know, trauma can get stored somatically and I’ve done so much work on myself, but it brought me back to Ingrid (03:04.992)Yeah. Ingrid (03:10.999)Hmm. Ingrid (03:19.403)Mmm. Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:27.41)my childhood and very early adolescence where I know you talk about being 13 and 12, 13, 14. I just remember walking around in the world and being quite innocent. And I started my period later and I started to get, my aunt said this to me, oh, you’re getting all this attention from men. And they would sort of look and be like, you here’s this, you know, what they would be pretty little girl or teenager. And I didn’t know what to do. I would smile. Ingrid (03:28.59)Mmm. Ingrid (03:33.249)Yeah. Ingrid (03:39.918)Hmm. Ingrid (03:54.349)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:56.144)or sometimes even giggle like you talk about when you’re feeling uncomfortable. And my author said to me, stop smiling. And it was almost like this shame, know, every time we went into public, don’t smile. And I remember being very confused and feeling shame and feeling like I didn’t really know what was going on. And then reading your book and I thought about it, but it just feels very complicated. There’s a complication to finding, cause we’re not trying to flirt. Ingrid (04:00.035)Yeah. Ingrid (04:04.267)Wow. Ingrid (04:09.966)Mmm. Aww. Ingrid (04:19.416)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:24.828)We’re trying to be safe. We’re trying to get out of danger. It’s very uncomfortable. But then there’s this shame that can get wrapped into it. So I started to read the book and I was like, gosh, I didn’t really dig into fawning before, but I really think that’s what was going on. Ingrid (04:33.176)That’s right. Ingrid (04:39.277)Mm-hmm. Ingrid (04:43.438)I think it is very common and I think about it this way that fawning tends to come online when fight, flight and freeze are either unavailable or would make things worse. So if you think about your example there and certainly my childhood, right, fighting back to the powers that be to, you know, largely men or your parents, they’re twice your size, they hold all the power. Yeah, it’s not going, you know, they literally hold your life in their hands. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:56.251)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:06.77)Yeah. Ingrid (05:13.454)The flight response, right, where are going to go? You’re going to be brought right back to the scene of the crime. Where are you going to go? This is wherever you go. This sort of male gaze, this threatening sort of, it’s the waters that we swim in day in, day out. And the freeze response, although also very common response to trauma, when things are so chronic and ongoing and it’s day in and it’s day out, the body found this way to adapt. I believe it is this ultimately genius adaptation to go, This is my reality, right? That I have to navigate. I can’t fight back. I can’t leave and I can’t freeze. I can’t be a deer in headlights. I got to get up and go to school every day and sit at the breakfast table and engage with these people. And so it really struck me, particularly when I was writing the book, just how many systems of power the body is navigating on any given day. And listen, the body knows where it resides in the pecking order. Like it knows that I’m not the one. at the top of the food chain. And so this reflexive thing of like, well, you hold the power. I need to make sure you’re happy in order for me to be safe and the body will always privilege safety and survival. Right? So all these historical ways that we’ve talked about some of these behaviors like, well, know, Kimberly just raised your self-esteem or smile or don’t smile. Right? It’s like you could get either side of the equation. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:22.02)Five. Yes. Ingrid (06:37.026)telling you to just do all of these things that maybe seem so obvious and yet they were not available to us. And this is where the shame comes in. It’s like, you know, well, how could you stay in that relationship or how could you smile when they were being so aggressive or how could you this? How could you that? you know, shame is a deep symptom. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:45.264)Yeah Ingrid (06:59.09)of complex trauma, but you can see why too. goes hand in hand with the Fawn response that in order to keep yourself safe often and not knowingly, sometimes you have a sense of it, but often not knowing, there is this level of self abandonment, of betrayal. We know that I can’t respond to all of my values or all of what’s going to sort of honor who I am. I have to privilege this one piece first and it comes at a cost. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:15.186)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:27.268)Yes. Well, you know what it feels like Ingrid as you’re describing it and I can recall this. am feeling it and just trying to really process this trauma, which is obviously still stored somewhere in me is this feeling of being deeply misunderstood because when the Imam was saying, well, don’t smile like I was doing something wrong. It was like, wait, I didn’t ask for this attention and I don’t want this attention and I’m actually uncomfortable and I don’t know what to do. Ingrid (07:32.78)Mm. Ingrid (07:42.199)Yes. Ingrid (07:46.211)Yeah. Ingrid (07:53.996)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:54.052)And so it’s just feeling like no one else is looking after me, misunderstood on our like kind of on our own, like this feeling of aloneness, abandonment, you know? Ingrid (07:57.592)Mmm. Ingrid (08:03.032)That’s right. I think that that’s real, right? That you’re not really seen for being a whole person. And there tends to be this sort of hyper independence that develops alongside a chronic fawn response for that reason. It’s like, we’re never really fully or wholly seen by anybody else. It’s like, I’m the only one who has my back. So I have to sort of react accordingly. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:19.932)We’ll Ingrid (08:29.59)in the world. And there’s a real sadness even as you talk about it right now. think there’s such a heartbreak there that in order to keep yourself safe, you had to prioritize these men and how they were sort of looking at you. And often with fawning, it’s sort of like, don’t like you, but I need you to like me in order to stay safe. Or maybe if you do like me, you won’t hurt me. And when your body has a sense that you’re being sort of pursued or Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:51.6)Bye. Ingrid (08:56.974)and you don’t really feel safe, like you’re still a child and you’re an old man and you know, it’s like, yeah, it’s a lot. It’s a lot to hold. It’s like you said, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:08.07)Well, Ingrid, you I think like your experiences and my experiences, I imagine a lot of women listening to this would be like, wait, I wasn’t actually sexually assaulted. No one actually, you know, did something physical, but there was uncomfortability. Can you share a little bit about, you know, what happened with your stepdad where he was, you know, having you sit on his lap in the hot tub or going to Vegas and he didn’t actually physically assault you, but there was a lot of uncomfortability. Ingrid (09:14.029)Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ingrid (09:23.032)Yeah. Ingrid (09:27.342)Mm-hmm. Ingrid (09:36.397)Yeah. Yeah. I think it’s very common that a lot of us, and this is based on sort of the old idea of trauma by definition, we looked at it as though a certain event entitled you to use that word. And those events tended to be very clear and obvious and everyone would agree, right? It’s a vet coming back from war time. It’s a car crash. It’s sexual assault. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:37.532)that went on for years. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:52.412)Right. Ingrid (10:01.347)things along those lines. And so a lot of us now, it’s like we have this trauma measuring stick that’s like, well, mine wasn’t that bad, right? And when we do that, unfortunately, we say, well, now I’ve been, I’m not allowed, I can’t avail myself of all of these tools of trauma healing that would actually be the thing that would help me, right? And so A part of what I’m hoping to do is also just educate people on complex trauma generally. Complex trauma is relational trauma. It’s ongoing experiences of threat over time. And it might not be this overt thing that everyone could name. It might be your parents, whether it was culturally or they were doing the best that they could, or maybe there’s generational trauma, but you were left feeling invalidated, like chronically invalidated or unseen. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:36.741)Right. Ingrid (10:49.455)over time, this buildup, this residue, the body learns like, oh, I can’t be my full self. Oh, it’s not safe to be me. And this sort of, know, fawning looks like this masking element of like, well, who do you need me to be in order to be included and seen and valued? And I think, yeah, this misconception of like trauma looks a certain way. It kept me on the outside for a long time, even knowing my own story, because similarly, like you said, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:12.914)Right. Ingrid (11:19.531)My stepdad didn’t like overtly sexually assault me. He was grooming me for years and it started with these, you know, seemingly innocuous, but my body felt that it was not innocuous of, you know, come on over here and sit on my lap and I’m glad we can be this close. And I knew in those moments that I wasn’t safe, but I’m also sort of clocking like, would anyone else think this was bad? Like he’s Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:46.757)Right. Ingrid (11:47.501)He’s my stepdad and he’s being nice and he’s not always nice and I like it better when he’s nice. And so I’m also leaning into that. I knew I couldn’t embarrass him. I knew that I couldn’t push back. I knew that he had another side to him where he really could steamroll me. He could be a rager. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:04.402)What about your mom? You couldn’t go to your mom. Ingrid (12:07.565)I couldn’t go to my mom in part because I saw her disappear as he came into our lives. It was like she just was in his shadow, wouldn’t say anything unless she’d heard him literally say it before. I say in the book that it was like my mom went missing even when she was standing right in front of me. It was just she was not there. Ultimately, I did do the things that we’re all told to do as though we’re all entitled to having a voice and standing up for ourselves and setting healthy boundaries as though it’s that easy. I did attempt to do those things and it made things a lot worse because now I had a stepfather who was grooming me, parading me around as a girlfriend and a mom who didn’t believe me. They were like, you’re a liar. You made it all up. What are you talking about? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:51.825)Ugh. Ingrid (12:59.339)Again, a whole lot happened, but not a whole lot happened. Even when I turned to social services as a child, they were like, is it that bad? Right? And it sort of seemed like the collective, yeah, the collective response was like, well, no, it’s not that bad. We’re not really going to intervene. There’s not much we can do. So my body learned along with the cultural conditioning of what trauma is that it wasn’t that bad. know, this is normal. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:07.908)Right, we’re questioned. Ingrid (13:27.039)And you’re not safe, essentially. If I’m a nervous system perspective, I learned, boy, I am not relationally safe. The only thing I can do to be relationally safe is to go along with your narrative to a certain degree, don’t push back, to swallow this deeper truth that never really got fully validated or metabolized. And ultimately what I now know is that kept me stuck for decades, right? It was like, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:54.438)Yeah. Ingrid (13:55.435)imprisoned in my own body in a way that’s essentially what unmetabolized trauma really is, is that you’re stuck, you’re stuck. So understanding complex trauma and understanding the Fawn response, like I said, after decades, I sat on so many therapist couches, I’ve been sober for decades, I’ve done so much inner work, it wasn’t like I wasn’t trying, I got three degrees in psychology, right? It was like I did all of this to try to overcome Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:17.882)Right. The wounded here. Yeah. Yes. Ingrid (14:21.237)Yes, this feeling of like, what’s wrong with me? I’m still broken. Why can’t I have a healthy relationship? Why can’t I really have this loving relationship with myself? And these were the lenses that allowed me to see myself differently, to access myself differently, and actually to finally heal. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:40.722)Yes, and there’s this whole amazing section in the book about that. But before we go in, Ingrid, and someone’s listening to this, can you explain a little bit about the difference between fawning and people pleasing? Some signs of like, hey, you know, these are some real signs of the fawning. And also, part three, it’s this complex question is, what kind of patterns might you see in relationship where you haven’t addressed fawning or what types of Ingrid (14:53.432)Yeah. Ingrid (15:05.966)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:09.074)people might you attract if you’re in that fawning trauma cycle. So signs, difference with people pleasing and relationships. Ingrid (15:13.751)Yeah, so great questions. Ingrid (15:18.383)So for me, I think both actually people pleasing and the language of codependency, these were our best attempts to name something that is real, right? With whatever information we had at the time. But. the problem that I can have with some of these terms is that they sort of place the problem as it were in an individual’s body as though it just originated out of thin air for no reason, as though it’s a problem that they possess that they need to fix and solve. And to me, the Fawn response, I see it as sort of the engine of these behaviors. It’s the why, right? That’s what has gone. missing this notion that we are relational beings, we are hardwired, we co-regulate, we cohabitate, we literally need one another. So to divorce this notion of needing one another and our dependency, our literal dependency on one another is really shaming and blaming. First of all, to the caregivers, it’s like we go here, here’s the emotional load, do all the heavy lifting. And then when they do it, we go, what’s wrong with you? Why can’t you take care of yourself? Right? There’s this crazy double bind. so fawning to me is the heartbeat of these behaviors that allowed me to go, that’s why I’m privileging. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:31.1)Yeah. Ingrid (16:44.917)external validation or your opinion of me or I’m wondering why you’re mad at me. It’s why I’m so hypervigilant because my entire sense of safety in the world was built on needing to prioritize what was happening outside my body in order to keep my body safe. I had to be divorced from my internal sense of safety and orient to your need first and then come back to me. go, my gosh, that makes perfect sense. And the second thing that Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:49.722)Yeah. Ingrid (17:14.209)I think the fawn response tends to that people pleasing and codependency have not historically is the context that I am not just a dysfunctional person. My body adapted, I think in a very genius way to a deeply dysfunctional environment or context. And again, it’s the piece where I go, my gosh, okay, now it makes sense that I was doing this, right? It’s not just because I love to… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:34.651)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:41.286)Yeah, Ingrid (17:42.893)I’m obsessed with control, right? It’s like, no, I was obsessed with safety. I was obsessed with the feeling that I could exist in the world. And now I understand why. So to me, that’s the sort of, it’s like, we know more now. These terms arose before we understood trauma at all. And they were also steeped in this sort of disease model, which I think we just know better now. Let’s do better. Let’s help people understand where these… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:44.859)Wait! Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:50.63)Yes. Ingrid (18:09.913)these behaviors came from. And so some of the common signs and symptoms then are if I can’t have a voice because it makes it worse, right? It puts me as more of a target and maybe you’re gonna come for me. Well, we’re conflict avoidant, right? So a lot of chronic fauners have kind of lost access to a healthy fight response, which is all these things that we’re told to just go and do, right? Set a healthy boundary. Well, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:20.347)Yeah. Ingrid (18:34.849)setting a boundary might mean that I’m really going to get steamrolled. Saying a no might mean, now you’re really going to come for me. And so the body learned time and time again, like, no, no, no, no, it’s safer not to push back, right? It’s safer. But ultimately, what happened for me and what happens for a lot of my clients is like the FON response is almost 10 steps out ahead of you, like a perpetual protector or a shield. And it’s, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:41.692)Right. Ingrid (19:01.769)acting, even environments that might be perfectly safe, but the body goes, I’m not going to risk it. This is my way to safety. This is how I show up in the world. We tend to be conflict avoidant. We tend to prioritize everyone else’s needs, our own. think even this idea where we started the podcast of like, your trauma matters, but mine doesn’t really. That’s also kind of a common sort of fawning response. It’s like, you’re entitled to have Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:08.166)Well, yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:20.7)Yes. Ingrid (19:31.533)your story and experience and you should have all the resources, but mine don’t really matter that much. What else? Yes. Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:37.083)Yeah. So gets swung down over again, like for decades it took you, I think in the book you said it was 30 years, you know, for you to really sort of unpack that. there’s just, feels at least, you know, in my experience with myself, it feels like there’s all these different energies wrapped in. It’s sort of like that shame as guilty, should I have been doing that? Like, should I have been doing something else? But then fear, I didn’t know what else to do. And then this. Ingrid (19:46.358)Ugh. Ingrid (19:51.214)Yeah. Ingrid (19:58.926)Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:09.02)hollowness in my throat or you can’t really express yourself. And, you know, it affects relationships for a long time, I think, until you can actually find center. Obviously, you when we we heal ourselves, we find that centeredness and compassion. Everything around us changes. But, you know, like you said, sometimes we don’t hear about this for a long time, or we don’t have tools for a while. So it does go on. It’s pervasive. Ingrid (20:11.119)Mmm, yep. Ingrid (20:29.624)Yeah. Ingrid (20:36.621)Well, look what the bind is, right? Because when you say center yourself to me, what that means is you start to grow a sense of internal safety, right? Which is that all my safety doesn’t reside outside of my body. But when your whole life has been built on this very foundation that your sense of safety resides outside of your own body, just telling someone to like center themselves, and it doesn’t make any sense. It’s like, what are you even talking about? Of course, logically, we go, well, I do love myself, right? Like, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:43.408)Yes. Ingrid (21:05.591)It’s not about these ideas that make sense. It’s about a felt sense. It’s a nervous system experience of, don’t care what you say and how you say it, my body is not safe in the world. And so we have to start from a place where we acknowledge someone’s lack of internal safety and go, yep, that’s where we’re starting. I’m not pretending like you have all this access, you’re just not using it. It’s you’ve never had the experience of really feeling autonomous, of feeling maybe like an adult, you know? This language that so many of us use, like you can see now with all this gray hair, I’m in my 50s, but half of the time I go, my God,

This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr. Juliana Lindsay Summary: In this episode, Kimberly and Dr. Julianna Lindsey explore the interconnectedness of emotional and physical health, emphasizing the importance of stability in relationships and the impact of lifestyle choices on overall well-being. They discuss cardiovascular health, the significance of dietary choices, the effects of alcohol, and the role of supplements like glutathione and NAD in promoting longevity. The dialogue highlights the need for self-awareness and critical thinking in navigating health trends and misinformation.   About Dr, Juliana Lindsay Dr. Julianna Lindsey is Board Certified in Internal Medicine with additional training and certifications in anti-aging and regenerative medicine, functional and integrative medicine, lifestyle medicine, bioidentical hormone optimization, and peptide therapy. In addition to her clinical work, she has spent the past fifteen years serving executive leadership roles at Fortune-level companies. During this time, she observed the dysfunction of our health care system on a large scale, an experience that contributed to her motivation in establishing her Radiant Longevity clinic in Southlake, Texas, where she dedicates her life to serving people through personalized care and attention. She is the author of Radiant Longevity: A Physician’s Protocol for Living Your Best Life.   Guest Resources: Website: www.radiantlongevity.com Book: Radiant Longevity: A Physician’s Protocol for Living Your Best Life.   Episode Sponsors: FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/KIMBERLY and using code KIMBERLY at checkout. 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Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:01.23)Hi, Juliana. I was going to say Dr. Lindsay, but I love in your book how you say to call you Juliana. Thank you so much for being here with us today. Calling in from Dallas, I believe. Julianna Lindsey (00:13.333)Yes, Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:15.502)Love technology. You are asking me where I’m calling in from, which is currently California. And I do travel a lot between Hawaii and here. yeah, it’s just so great that we can have these conversations and feel that connection no matter where we are. Also books, you know, we’re both authors that we can really connect with people on the subject matter beyond your realm of patients in Dallas, you can share your ideas in this form, which is really exciting, I think. Julianna Lindsey (00:51.347)It is wonderful and connection is so important. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:54.774)You know, I really liked how you talked about such a variety of subject matters in your new book, Radiant Longevity, a Physician’s Protocol for Living Your Best Life. And I wrote a couple notes of some of the things that really stood out to me. And talking about connection, there’s a whole section in the book where you talk about a stable home life. And I really love that because we hear a lot about social connections and community. And of course, that was really highlighted a lot, especially since COVID, when there was so much isolation. But sometimes I don’t think we talk enough about stability. And that’s true if someone’s married, if they have kids, or a lot of our listeners may be single. But this idea of stability and having less drama in our lives and more nervous system regulation. Can you talk a little bit about why you called that out is so important in your book. Julianna Lindsey (01:54.239)not sure that there’s anything more important to our quality of life than having stability in our relationships. And you don’t have to have 50 friends. If you have one person that you know you can count on when the chips are down. And for me, I’m very fortunate to have a few. And my main person is my husband, but also my children. We have a… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:03.041)and Julianna Lindsey (02:23.115)drama free life. I just don’t have time or space for drama in my life. I don’t see any benefit to it and I try to avoid it like the plague. don’t and it is a plague and I hate it to see people online get wrapped up and trying to get reactions from people and you can just you can opt to just stay out of all that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:34.424)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:47.394)Right. Julianna Lindsey (02:52.277)But you do need people in your life that you can absolutely count on. And I want to be that person for other people as well. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:01.708)Yeah. Well, I think it’s important to talk about that because when we talk about stress and we talk about cortisol levels and, I mean, there’s so many things in daily life that we can do. Like you said, we can create a lifestyle. Maybe some of us grew up and you talk about trauma in the book as well, but maybe we grew up in a home environment that did have a lot of drama or maybe we can start to be aware in our life now. I know for me, Juliana, I can get really triggered by news. Like don’t really, I don’t watch the news, you know, I’ll read selectively, but also what’s coming into our feed. Like you said, there’s a lot of negativity online. So there’s a lot of things that we can do to create that stability. If we just start to be aware relationships, you know, what’s coming in, like our total environment. And that’s really important. You say stability, I also say more calmness, more peace. And that has an obvious, you know, effect. on our physical health, our mental well-being, emotional well-being, spiritual well-being, and so on. Julianna Lindsey (04:05.173)And of course we can’t separate any of that. We can’t separate our emotional wellbeing from our physical wellbeing. It’s all so integrated. And we have be very intentional about the environment that we create around us and the events that we allow to go on in our atmosphere. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:10.584)Yeah, it’s That’s right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:23.842)That’s right. And so if someone is listening to this and they say, wow, you know, there are, there is a lot of drama in my friendships or in my relationship. It’s something to be aware of and something that, you know, we have to look within ourselves and there’s so many different tools and, you know, resources available that it doesn’t have to stay like that. We can, you know, move in transition and it’s an important marker of health and wellbeing stability. Julianna Lindsey (04:51.059)Indeed, and just the ability to an open conversation, an open, authentic conversation with people is an art. Sometimes crucial conversations need to occur, right? People, relationships are not problem free. And if you hit a bump in the road, it doesn’t have to mean there’s drama. know, people should be able to have open, honest, authentic relationships with one another without there being drama involved and just, you know, state the problem and figure out together collaboratively how you want to solve the problem. If it’s a relationship worth having. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:17.006)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:34.123)Yes. Julianna Lindsey (05:34.281)that it’s worth it’s worth an open conversation. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:38.53)Yeah, it’s true and honesty and coming from the heart. Julianna Lindsey (05:42.963)Yes. And I think you can feel your intention, right? If your intentions are good, if you want the best for that other person, if you want the best for your relationship, people know that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:56.694)Yes, that’s right. Well, and then only a few pages prior, and this is another note I had in completely switching gears, which again, I really love a holistic approach. And even a few pages earlier, you were talking about coronary artery calcium scan, the CAES, which my husband had done. And so again, there’s relationships, there’s the things that we can’t see with our physical eyes. And then, okay, there’s plaque. Julianna Lindsey (06:13.493)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:23.97)There’s hardened, there’s calcified plaque. There’s the statistics that we know about cardiovascular incidences. We know that a lot of women and men, all different types of people have heart disease. Now, can you talk a little bit about this scan and this test? Because I remember talking to my husband about this a few months ago and it seems somewhat… recent, it seems that not everybody knows about this. It feels like it could prevent a lot of cardiovascular incidences. I’m not sure if it’s always covered by insurance, but can you just give us more information about this test? Julianna Lindsey (07:02.261)love that you bring up that topic because cardiovascular disease is the number one killer of men and it is the number one killer of women. We hear lot about breast cancer and certainly we want to be aware of our breast cancer risk and keep up on those screenings and breast health but the statistically most likely event to lead to death is cardiovascular disease in women. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:10.189)Wow. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:30.189)Mmm. Julianna Lindsey (07:31.681)And it has historically been underdiagnosed and undertreated in a preventative fashion in women. So women are less likely to get put on cholesterol-lowering medications. They’re less likely to get put on blood pressure-lowering medications. The moment a man’s testosterone drops below 800, somebody wants to start giving him pellets. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:57.795)Right. Julianna Lindsey (07:58.431)Women are allowed to go through periods of estrogen deprivation in perimenopause and menopause, which is so harmful to our cardiovascular health. And we need to raise awareness that that period of estrogen deprivation is when our disease risk of cardiovascular disease rises to equal that of men’s. So I very much try to avoid, want to avoid, and usually can periods of estrogen deprivation from my patients. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:06.382)Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:27.896)So you mean with hormone replacement. Julianna Lindsey (08:28.577)Yes, identical hormone optimization. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:32.94)And then when would you recommend someone start taking this? Is it CACS you would say test? Yes. Julianna Lindsey (08:39.669)The coronary artery calcium score. So I don’t use the coronary artery calcium scoring anymore. So I use a CT angiogram. We specifically opt for the, it’s a branded name, the CLEERLY scan, C-L-E-E-R-L-Y. The CLEERLY scan is a CT angiogram. It is a CT scan, so there is some ionizing radiation involved, but it’s a low amount. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:48.494)Julianna Lindsey (09:09.511)The that scan is superior to the coronary artery calcium score because they use AI algorithms and special cameras to detect both soft plaque and calcified plaque. 30 % of heart attacks occur in people with a calcium score of zero. The calcium score is paid for by insurance. The the CLEARLY scan is typically not paid for by insurance so that that is a barrier, it is absolutely the better test because soft plaque is kind of what gets us in trouble. That’s where the heart attacks happen, but it’s also, we see that as reversible, right? I try to see the glass is always half full. So I look at soft plaque as being a reversible condition and then with lipid lowering and other lifestyle measures, then we can help mitigate and lower people’s risk of developing heart disease. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:11.278)Well, thank you for clarifying that, Juliana. So around when would we consider getting this test and how often should you get this sort of test? And of course, you know, anyone listening to this or a loved one that, hmm, you you might want to inform about this because again, it doesn’t seem like a lot of the general masses know that these are available. Julianna Lindsey (10:35.673)That’s a great question. When to start screening? So we base our screening age on the risk factor of the patient in front of us. So if someone has a high LP little a, that’s a blood marker that you inherit from one of your parents. If you have a high LP little a, which everyone should get checked, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:39.297)Yes. Julianna Lindsey (11:02.579)then we absolutely begin screening much sooner than in someone who doesn’t have this high LP little a. LP little a is an independent risk factor for the development of cardiovascular disease. So if you have high LP little a, you are far more likely to have plaque in your arteries, making you more likely to have a heart attack or stroke or peripheral cardiovascular disease. So in the event that, let’s say a woman has Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:09.728)Okay. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:25.07)Mm. Julianna Lindsey (11:31.883)High LP little a I want to get her screened before the age of 50 I also want to get a man screen before the age of 50 with high LP little a if someone has had a history of prolonged like a familial high cholesterol condition then then we may start in early 40s also, so and Of course the family history is important in making these decisions as well, but Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:53.165)Mmm. Julianna Lindsey (12:01.087)You can’t rely solely on family history. We like to add all these variables together and really risk stratify people. And it’s better to get screened earlier than later. We use that screening test to help us determine how aggressive we need to be in lipid lowering. you commonly hear stories from ladies that Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:04.16)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:23.574)Right. Julianna Lindsey (12:30.709)people didn’t want to put them on lipid lowering drugs because this, that, or the other. It’s usually there. Somebody said their cholesterol wasn’t that high because they’re premenopausal or, know, women can, women form plaque prior to menopause under the right conditions. There are also women and men who have very high cholesterol levels. They are very rare who Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:50.606)Mm. Julianna Lindsey (13:00.309)we find don’t have any plaque on their clearly scan. Now, if they don’t have plaque on their clearly scan, then we can often avoid pharmacologic therapy to lower their cholesterol. But those people are rare individuals. I would say maybe one in 500 people with high cholesterol will not be forming plaque. So they are very much the exception. not the rule. And I’m afraid that lot of physicians without having these test results assume that that is a way more common condition than it actually is. People need to get screened and risk stratified. If you’re not forming plaque, fantastic. But if you’re already forming plaque in your arteries, we can see the arteries around the heart with the CLEARLY scan. We cannot see the arteries in the brain. We don’t have good visual vision capability, but we absolutely use those heart arteries and the condition of those arteries as a surrogate marker for what’s going on in your brain. Our brain needs blood flow. Cognitive decline is an epidemic and it is a rising epidemic. We are very cognizant about our patients’ cognitive health. Just as much. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:00.0)it. Julianna Lindsey (14:27.321)as we are about their cardiovascular health because they are highly intertwined. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:33.228)Yes, thank you for explaining that. And then in another section, interrelated section of the book, where you talk about diet, and I love how you lead off with talking, you know, very similar dietary philosophy that we have here at Salona and Beauty Detox, lots of green vegetables, lots of nuts. And also a good friend of mine who’s been on this podcast many times, Dan Buettner, who discovered the blue zones, which you referenced in your book. you know, just having this Julianna Lindsey (14:57.846)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:00.046)whole food based diet and active lifestyle and so on. But I bring this up on the heels of us talking about the calcium scans because it gets really confusing for people, Juliana, as you know, where, you know, for a while it was sort of the general consensus about avoiding eating a lot of red meat. And then there’s sort of different dialogues being put out, especially in social media about, know, cholesterol isn’t really bad. And then there’s the rise of certain diets like the carnivore diet. lots of meat. And then I’ve heard people have even written into me saying, you know, I tried some of these diets and my plaque did go up, even though a lot of people that are pushing these very high meat diets are saying, well, no, it’s not actually going to raise your cholesterol. It just gets very confusing for people when there’s so many people talking about different ways of eating, you know. I don’t know, it sort of blows my mind. And then there’s these, again, these out of just certain studies, which can be extrapolated, they’re studying human populations, like the blue zones and seeing how a lot of these cultures are getting enough protein, but they’re also eating a large 90 % and over plant based. So can you speak a little bit in your work as a physician and your monitoring all these different patients and seeing what’s going on with plaque and just that relationship with eating a high red meat? animal protein diet in relation to what we’re talking about here. Julianna Lindsey (16:32.595)I can tell you with certainty that most people who are eating a high fat diet are going to have higher cholesterol levels. Now people’s bodies respond differently. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:42.978)Thank you. Yeah. Yes. But it sounds obvious and I’m sorry to bring it up this way, but it’s not when you’re listening to all these different dialogues, doctor. It sort of gets sort of bananas out there. Julianna Lindsey (16:59.285)Well, I would advise people to, if they hear something on social media, take that to your actual physician with hopefully with whom you have a relationship and then ask him or her questions about that. And please let it, first of all, let it pass the filter of common sense. Has, has humankind evolved eating solely meat? It’s It doesn’t pass the common sense filter to me. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:31.098)It doesn’t pass the common sense, but unfortunately, doctor, there are doctors like these carnivore MDs out there that are doctors that are also telling people some of these ways of eating, which I think can potentially cause a lot of harm and can certainly confuse a lot of people. So we’re moving away from fiber and anti-inflammatory antioxidant rich foods. And now there just becomes this huge focus on protein, protein, protein more and more. animal foods. Julianna Lindsey (18:02.645)Well, it’s the wrong direction. And if you look at the human microbiome, and we are in our infancy in knowing the power of our microbiome, but we do know that 70 % of our immune system lies in the lining of our gut. Those microorganisms that are in the lining of our gut control so much of what happens in our body. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:13.248)Yes. Julianna Lindsey (18:26.651)and those to have a healthy microbiome, you need those soluble and insoluble fibers that you can only get from non-meat sources. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:38.71)Yeah. And you were talking about, you know, opening up pathways to the brain, to the heart. There’s a clogging effect. Like you said, common sense that happens when we’re eating really dense, fatty, just, I can’t say it in words, but dense foods. Now, and then when we’re focusing on eating so much of those foods and filling our plate with that, then obviously there’s going to be less room for the fiber rich. Julianna Lindsey (18:45.301)Yes. Julianna Lindsey (18:56.682)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:06.346)foods, it just becomes less of a focus, unfortunately, in a lot of these diets. Julianna Lindsey (19:12.255)And if people have a, if they have doubt about that, I would just challenge them to go get your lipid profile checked regularly. Like we check our patients lipid profiles every 90 days because people will go on, you know, they’ll go off on tangents and I can, I can generally tell when they’ve gone off on a tangent and, and they’re, they’re eating it just like red meat every single day. I’m not against red meat. I eat meat myself. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:23.842)Wow. Julianna Lindsey (19:42.081)I also eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. So balance in all things. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:47.444)Yes. Yeah, I can say, I can share and I’ve talked about a little bit on here that actually was a personal experience with my husband. He eats meat, me and the kids are plant based, but he went on a full carnivore diet. And was a day where he was eating his chopped raw liver. And my older son looked at it he said, mama, would you eat papa’s food for a million dollars? And I said, no, he’s like two million. We were trying to come up with a number, but he does get regular blood work and he saw the actual, you know, the impact in his blood work. And I’m happy to say he’s gone back to eating a lot of fiber again. because yeah, to your point when you could measure and you can actually see that difference, instead of just theoretically or just because you want to look the way someone looks on social media and you think it’s because you need more and more and more. of protein and to build yourself up. Julianna Lindsey (20:47.553)Also, we have no idea what those people on social media who look like they look, what they’re doing. You know, we don’t really know what they’re eating. We don’t know what kind of hormones they’re putting in their body. They could be doing any number of unhealthy things. And I can tell you that I see a lot of 50-year-old men walking around, you know, all puffed up, who look horribly unhealthy. I know that they… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:02.091)Right. Julianna Lindsey (21:16.971)They probably perceive themselves as being healthy, but you can spot somebody who’s on too much testosterone and growth hormone, and it is a bad situation for their health. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:28.106)Right. I imagine long-term, especially taking growth hormone. Julianna Lindsey (21:32.255)Well, short and long term. I mean, those people tend to die early. Think about like Rich Piana, for instance. He was a internet craze. And then there’s like the liver king. know, all these people doing these crazy things. And it turns out, I guess the liver king wasn’t actually doing what he said he was doing. And then of course, Rich Piana died when he was relatively young. So. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:44.27)Right. Julianna Lindsey (21:58.933)I don’t think we need to be taking advice from people like that. And you have to always question people’s ulterior motives. What kind of secondary gain are they on social media to get? So the way to get likes and reactions and conversations on social media is to be extreme. The way to live a balanced, healthy life is to avoid extremes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (22:24.878)Right, centered. And you mentioned that in your protocols overall for eating is to eat less, right? Because we are able to digest more, our bodies utilize more nutrients when we’re not constantly overloading. And I know, know, Dr. you as well as many physicians, there’s a section where you did talk about semi-glutides and… Julianna Lindsey (22:26.815)Yes. Julianna Lindsey (22:34.582)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (22:51.246)and know, Zempik and you know, the crazes out there. And on one hand, people are eating less and they are dropping weight. I wonder, and I don’t know the answer and I haven’t taken, you know, I’m not a physician that’s taking a super deep dive on this, but I wonder doctor about long-term though. And people haven’t learned to eat healthy when they’re taking these drugs, or maybe they’re, you when they get off and then they still have to learn to eat healthy. What do you think about these other aspects? And I know primarily, you know, you’re seeing numbers improve, you’re seeing people eat a lot less. We know obesity is a killer, but long-term effects and then potentia

This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr. Mariza Snyder Summary: In this enlightening conversation, Kimberly speaks with Dr. Marisa Snyder who discusses her new book, ‘The Menopause Revolution,’ focusing on the importance of understanding perimenopause and the holistic approaches to women’s health during this transition. She emphasizes the need for education about hormonal changes, the role of lifestyle in managing symptoms, and the potential benefits of bioidentical hormones. The discussion also covers mental health, postpartum support, skin and hair changes, and the significance of maintaining bone health. 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She is the host of the top rated Energize with Dr. Mariza podcast where we had a wonderful conversation about the heart last year. I’m getting goosebumps because Dr. Mariza, I always say Mariza because I know her personally. Dr. Mariza (00:48.363)Yes! Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:55.394)is a friend of mine and it’s really powerful when someone is really embodying the energy that’s coming forth in their work. She is such a passionate human. She is so in her heart. She’s so authentically cares about helping other women. She’s been through a lot of this herself. She’s coming from firsthand experience. So with all that, Dr. Marisa, thank you so much for joining our feel good community today and be back. Dr. Mariza (01:22.447)Kimberly, it is such a pleasure. Yes, I’m so happy to be back. I’m so happy to be a part of the beautiful feel good community that you have cultivated. You know, what an honor to get to be here and to just speak as two women, as two mamas, know, navigating this beautiful journey and, and really setting not only ourselves up for success in the second half of our lives, but also every single woman who gets to walk this beautiful journey with us. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:45.068)Yes. I love how there’s a lot of conversation. There’s just a lot out there about menopause. And you’re here highlighting in your new book about perimenopause, which I think can feel a little bit more nebulous for many. And there’s sort of this clear, you know, I haven’t gotten my period in a year, so I must be in menopause. But what I’m going to ask you questions as I was reading this, this book, Dr. Marisa, Dr. Mariza (01:51.971)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:14.83)It’s like, know, just sort of questions I think a lot of women have, including myself. So the first is, and I love in the beginning of the book, you say it’s really important that we educate ourselves about these processes even before we’re in them. So we have, you know, a sense of knowledge, we can empower ourselves. But if you’re in your 30s and 40s, and you’re still getting your period every 28 days, and you’re not experiencing symptoms like hot flashes or you some of you have a whole quiz in here. Yes. Exactly. like, you know, like myself where I’m like, Hey, I’m still getting my period and I don’t have any symptoms. Then we say we’re not in perimenopause yet, but it’s still good to know about it. Dr. Mariza (02:45.327)kind of the classic menopause, late perimenopause symptoms. Dr. Mariza (02:55.043)Me too. Dr. Mariza (03:01.899)Absolutely. Just like it’s important for us to know as little girls what puberty is, you know, being prepared for your first bleed and also those four to six years where our brain is coming online for our reproductive years. That’s a huge neuroendocrine transition that I think we could even do a better job at preparing our girls for. But then, you know, we prepare women for pregnancy and postpartum. And equally as important, we should be preparing women Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:26.338)Yes. Dr. Mariza (03:30.681)for perimenopause. Anytime we go through a big hormone shift that deserves our attention and a new level of support, women should be educated about their bodies and what to expect and how they can really shore up their health and feel amazing as they move through that journey. I mean, I think that every woman deserves that pathway through. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:54.35)Yes. So a lot of, and I love how holistic your book is covering things like diet and sleep and exercise. And a question I have for you, and this is a really broad question, before perimenopause, see during perimenopause and after perimenopause, a lot of these amazing suggestions, eating more fiber, you talk about gut health, you talk about all these things. Dr. Mariza (04:05.901)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:18.424)How is it different within the perimenopause? Because wouldn’t we already be wanting to focus on whole foods and exercise? What is the specific shift, if any? And for many, maybe it’s saying, hey, everything’s changing. I have no choice but to focus on this as my protocol is because I’m starting to feel more moody or I’m starting to get these hot flashes. Dr. Mariza (04:28.792)Mm-hmm. Dr. Mariza (04:34.691)Yes. Dr. Mariza (04:39.021)Yeah, I think that’s what it is. You’re absolutely right, Kimberly. If we could, as soon as we have a cycle, we have a menstrual cycle, we are optimizing our blood sugar, we are sleeping like our life depends on it, we are managing our heart, we are regulating our nervous system, girl, I would say start as early as you can. However, the truth is that a lot of us can get away with cheats. You we can get away with a little less sleep. You maybe we’re in grad school or maybe we have kids early or, you know, we just have some wiggle. You know, when I was growing up, I was taught that I diet to stay thin. That was a big part. That was like, okay, we, you put on a little bit of weight, you get on that treadmill. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:16.321)Yes. Dr. Mariza (05:21.121)treadmill or your that treadmaster, you calorie restrict a little bit for a couple of weeks, you get back down to that size, right? And then you just, and then you go back to doing what you’re doing. And you kind of, you kind of go into these loops where you’re like, okay, I need to like really buckle down and get disciplined. And then you lose the weight. And then, you know, again, you go back to doing life. But in pre-menopause, and mind you, I always believed that we should be eating for our gut health and our metabolic health, but this was just the narrative in the 80s and the 90s and even 2000s when we weren’t talking about the profound changes that were going on. And also we were just, it was all about being thin or whatever that goal was that the magazines were touting. But as we step, yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:02.35)Well, the I was laughing because now it’s like people are just taking ozempic before. I everybody’s just like, let me take ozempic and lose the weight and then I’ll change how I eat, you know. Dr. Mariza (06:07.042)Right, yeah. Dr. Mariza (06:13.679)Exactly, yeah, I mean, there’s always a new strategy, right? But when we go through perimenopause, we have to understand that the hormones that are changing, these are hormones that have been rhythmically showing up every single month throughout our menstrual cycle to run hundreds of physiological processes. We’re talking about estrogen and progesterone being immune system modulators. metabolic boosters. They are managing water retention and gut microbiome diversity. They’re helping us to grow our bones and our muscles. They’re protecting our heart. They’re helping our brain to function. They’re getting us to sleep at night. They’re helping us to regulate our mood and help us to feel more peaceful and calm during parts of our cycle. You know, I always joke that everybody loves Day 12 us, right? Two days before ovulation, estrogen is peaking at our highest peak. We feel energized. We want to be out and about. We feel sensual. We’re connected with our partners. And mind you, can it be that way a lot through our cycle? Sure. But there’s something about that pre-ovulation boost that feels so good. You know, we were taught to not really honor and appreciate day 27 us. You know, the one that wants the girl version of us that wants to go inward, that wants to have some time to herself, that needs a little alone time to kind of regulate because progesterone and estrogen are declining. Well, in perimenopause, now these hormones are not rhythmically regulating and releasing the way that they were for the last 25 to 30 years. Now these hormones are erratically declining. And as a result, these protective shill hormones that are doing so much more than bikini medicine. For a long time, we used to believe that the only difference between us and men was the parts of the bikini cupboard. So our boobs and our ovaries and our uterus, and that was it. But now we know that these hormones are helping to modulate and regulate multiple areas of the body, including the brain. And as they begin to falter, for each and every one of us, it’s gonna be a unique journey. But as they begin to decline, and it’s not linear linearly, and it definitely doesn’t announce itself, Dr. Mariza (08:28.207)we’re gonna feel that protective shield begin to falter. And we may realize that that, you only six hours of sleep on a Saturday night or us just randomly dieting, it just isn’t working anymore. Our bodies are calling in a new level of support and a deeper understanding of our bodies. And that’s what perimenopause really ushers in, is having to understand our bodies in a new way, having to really honor what our body is going through. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:45.677)Hmm. Dr. Mariza (08:57.684)and be more consistent with the lifestyle strategies that are going to support our bodies along the way. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:05.484)Yes, I love that. There’s more, and I don’t ever like to use the word mindfulness, right? Because we talk so much about intuition in the heart, but there’s more, let’s say, intention around what we’re eating. And we’ll get into that in a moment and about the metabolic changes. But right off the bat, Dr. Maurice, I’m reading this and thinking about it within myself, and a lot of women have this question. was talking to my hairdresser about this and she’s in full menopause. Dr. Mariza (09:14.434)intention. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:35.06)And there’s this sort of balance between really honoring the natural lifestyle. of course, know, whole foods were about organic, were about great soil, were about exercise and lifting weights, more all these things. And then there’s the bio-identical hormone conversation, which You know, we had Dr. Erica Schwartz on here as well, who’s like a big advocate for bioidentical hormones. And so there’s the side of, hey, the women are having these symptoms and the bioidentical hormones can help. It’s like another, you know, medicinal strategy. And then there’s the other side and other people having the conversation or say, mother nature knows that we go through these shifts. And then there’s a decline of certain hormones. And why are we as a culture manipulating taking hormones when nature decided these hormones to shift. Dr. Mariza (10:28.015)Hmm, I love this question. You know, there’s a, it’s a big one. It’s a huge one. Let me, I wanna first just share where I’d land on this is that I believe that women deserve all the tools in the toolbox. Whatever is gonna move you towards feeling more alive in your body and feeling more optimized, I would never deny a woman anything that is gonna move the needle in that meaningful way. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:30.606)It’s a big one. It’s a big Get out. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:37.314)Yes. Dr. Mariza (10:54.425)You know, we live in a modern day world where our soil is impacted and where we are living in, you know, dark boxes most of the time of the day. And, and, there’s a lot of things about this life, this modern day life that isn’t conducive to optimized hormones or even an optimized body. If we aren’t intentional about it, right. We can easily get sucked into all the blue light and eating. packaged foods and doing a lot of takeout and not really honoring our heart and our nervous system. Like, you know, that can really wear on us. And I will say that as our hormones are declining erratically, you know, we didn’t kind of live with the same stressors that we’re living in today. And so I think that that’s a major part of this conversation is that we kind of weren’t being bombarded as hard. as we are with all of the different chemical, physical, and emotional stressors that we are contending with today. And so I feel like our menopause and perimenopause journey can feel even more intense, can feel more exacerbated due to these other stressors that oftentimes some of us aren’t able to mitigate. You I think about all the single mamas out there who, you know, I wish, I know, I wish for them that they had more free time, that they had, you know, more, more… resources to make some of the changes. if bioidentical, you know, hormone replacement therapy or oral micronized progesterone can help get the sleep that they desperately need so that they can show up to be the best mama that they can be for morning routine the next day, then I am a full body yes to that option for them. And so I think that it’s a yes and hormones are powerful optimizers, but we need lifestyle in place as well. 100%. Could I tell you that hormones have been the game changer, the end all be all for me in terms of this journey? No. I would say that honoring my heart and my nervous system has been huge part of this journey. Moving my body meaningfully has been a beautiful part of this journey. Having community and eating towards having less inflammation in my body, those have been the biggest levers. And hormones have been super helpful too. I think it is very much a yes end depending on your journey. Dr. Mariza (13:13.517)but that women should not be denied any level of care. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:17.944)beautifully said, you know, I had a few friends over for dinner the other day and one of them is in, you know, she would define perimenopause and she said she just sort of woke up feeling very tired and off for a while. And then she did get her blood work done and she was working with a doctor and she got the hormones and you know, she, but then she was struggling with this question, you know, aren’t we supposed to have these natural hormonal shifts? And everybody was kind of talking about it. And I said to her, But do you feel better? She said, yeah. infinite possibilities. There isn’t a right or wrong, right? We step into that field of just there is and where y’all have unique bodies and unique journeys. And so I think it’s really, and I think about my grandmother, my mother, who didn’t really talk about menopause. And when I did ask my mother once, she just said, it wasn’t a big deal. But to your point, maybe she didn’t. Dr. Mariza (13:51.683)Well, there we go. Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:17.754)wasn’t aware of certain things and maybe there was less microplastics and it affected her in a different way, who knows? But there is a, you there are lots of possibilities out there. There’s a lot of conversation, including your wonderful book, and everybody has to decide for their bodies. Dr. Mariza (14:34.713)what’s gonna help them feel amazing, absolutely. Yeah, I think, you there’s a couple of reasons why we women, lot of the generations before us, especially our grandmothers, maybe even our mothers, my mom, she knew. She knew about perimetapos and metapos, it was very obvious. And she, yeah, she was like, what is happening right now to me? And she made some really powerful pivots that changed the course of her life in such a positive way. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:49.262)I knew you knew. Dr. Mariza (15:02.091)But she had to, know, again, we’re all kind of mitigating some of these big constants that a lot of us are working and maybe some of us don’t even necessarily love what we’re doing every single day, but we got to show up. And then we’ve got our families to take care of and we have our households to take care of. so, you know, anything that can help a woman feel, again, better, help her to mitigate her symptoms and really future proof her health is… to me is the number one priority. And when we look at the statistics, you know, just whether it’s hormone replacement therapy or not, although we do live longer than men, you 25 % more of our lives are spent in debilitating health. And, you know, one could argue that it’s 100 % because of hormones. Others could argue that it’s lifestyle, but I have a feeling that it’s a combination of the two. And so whatever we can do to support women, I will always be a yes to that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:56.366)There are some sobering statistics about women, particularly with brain health, mental health, you mentioned in here, dementia, Alzheimer’s. So can you talk a little bit about how this knowledge and working with perimenopause and menopause can help protect us and hormones potentially, and lifestyle of course, can help protect us against these neurodegenerative conditions. Dr. Mariza (16:22.977)I love this question. As I mentioned earlier, whether it’s puberty or postpartum or perimenopause, these are all big neuroendocrine transitions. And what a gift that our brains can go through such massive upgrades to be mothers, to step into childbearing years, and to step into our wise woman years. Now in this upgrade, I will tell you, it doesn’t always feel like an upgrade. My first couple of weeks of postpartum, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:33.25)Dr. Mariza (16:52.623)It didn’t really feel like an upgrade. I was like, I need some sleep. you know, and when you step into motherhood in that big, beautiful way, as your hormones are, know, postpartum is where we have some of our lowest hormone states and women really experience that and feel that. Same thing with perimenopause. When we are going through that… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:11.63)Dr. Mariza, sorry to interrupt Dr. Mariza. On that point, if anyone’s listening to this and they’re having a lot of struggles postpartum, are some doctors, such as yourself, prescribing progesterone and hormones to help with postpartum? Dr. Mariza (17:17.411)Mm-hmm. Dr. Mariza (17:25.271)Yes, absolutely. Yes, oral micronized progesterone or even progesterone injections in those really difficult times, those first three months of postpartum can completely change the game in terms of a woman’s mental health outcomes, pulling them out of suicidal ideation. And again, that really severe postpartum depression. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:31.148)Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:40.418)Wow, thank you for. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:46.488)Thank you. And for anyone listening to that, think that’s important to know. I certainly didn’t know that was an option. And I remember feeling a lot of moods and I don’t know if it was strong postpartum depression, but I think there was blues, there was just all sorts of feelings. Dr. Mariza (18:00.665)Yeah, all sorts of feelings that we’re trying to grapple with, right? Because the society tells us we should be so grateful that we have these beautiful babies. And we are. It’s a very conflicting and confusing time where you want to be so present for your baby. You want to make sure you keep them alive. That’s the number one. That’s what our brains are literally rewired for is their survival. We want to be appreciative and loving and being this beautiful heart centered place. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:11.106)Yeah. Dr. Mariza (18:30.347)And then we’re also having these conflicting emotions, these really intense emotions from baby blues to maybe even more severe depression, anxiety, and really this level of things are feeling insurmountable. And we have to understand that the brain is still massively reorganizing in postpartum big time to rewire for that baby. And it’s also depleted of some of the most critical hormones that it needs, including allopregnenolone. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:44.29)Yeah. Dr. Mariza (18:58.261)And if we can give women a little bit of a booster to kind of get over that hump, then why wouldn’t we do that? So I’m a big fan. I also was on oral micronized progesterone in the beginning, because I was, I think more so it felt like deeper sleep deprivation in the beginning. It’s so hard to tell. You’re like, am I just losing it because I’m not getting enough sleep or am I losing it because I’m just feeling very low? It’s a challenging time. It’s just all over the place. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:04.758)Amazing. Thank Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:22.798)It’s so cool. Dr. Mariza (19:26.927)It breaks my heart that so many women don’t necessarily feel as supported as they should. And that these tools are not easily and readily accessible when they come and report these types of symptoms. But I want you to know that oral micronized progesterone or even progesterone injections are so inexpensive. They’re so cheap. We’re talking about less than 12 bucks for a prescription for a month. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:37.997)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:48.952)Mm-hmm. Dr. Mariza (19:54.575)So it can really change the game. if you are listening to this and you’ve got either you’re in your postpartum, especially perimenopausal postpartum, like I was, like so many women today are, we’re having children later and what a blessing that is that we can get to do that. But that comes with perimenopause and postpartum together. So if you’re listening to this and either you’re thinking about having a child or you’re in postpartum right now, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:09.07)Yeah. Dr. Mariza (20:18.989)I just, hope you hear this and know that you deserve support and that there are doctors out there that will absolutely give it to you. And that solution of oral micronized progesterone or even injections is very easy to get your hands on in terms of accessibility. It’s FDA approved, it’s been proven safe time and time again. It’s what I use to even get pregnant at 41 years old. So I just want women to know that that should be available to them. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:44.096)naturally you got pregnant. Dr. Mariza (20:45.839)I did, well, I naturally got pregnant my first month trying when I was 40 years old. Mind you, I primed up for an entire year. So I was very aware that I was prepping to get pregnant for a long time. I got pregnant and I lost that baby about six weeks in, six or seven weeks in. By the time we did the ultrasound, I already lost the baby. And we weren’t sure if it was low levels of progesterone or maybe it was genetics. I wasn’t sure. Bu

This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr. Jason Giles Summary: In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Jason Giles shares his personal journey from addiction to recovery, emphasizing the importance of connection, spirituality, and understanding the complexities of addiction. He discusses how his experiences as a patient have shaped his approach to addiction medicine, highlighting the need for empathy and individualized care. The discussion also touches on modern solutions for addiction, the role of community support, and the deeper emotional and spiritual aspects of recovery.   About Dr, Jason Giles Dr. Jason Giles is a triple board-certified physician (Addiction Medicine, Anesthesiology, and Pain Medicine) who has revolutionized addiction treatment through both personal triumph and professional innovation. With 25+ years of sobriety and two decades practicing addiction medicine, Dr. Giles brings an unmatched combination of lived experience and clinical expertise to one of America’s most pressing health crises. As founder and director of Addiction Doctors, a multi-specialty telemedicine group, Dr. Giles oversees the detox and stabilization of hundreds of patients daily across both coasts, partnering with America’s premier treatment centers. His mission: reaching the vast underserved population struggling with addiction by developing technology and models that expand access to life-saving care. Dr. Giles’ journey began with his own fentanyl dependency during anesthesiology residency—a rock-bottom moment when he realized he couldn’t keep his word to himself about stopping. His recovery through a long-term monitored program (which boasts 90-95% ten-year success rates) catalyzed his career transformation from anesthesiologist to addiction medicine pioneer.For 15 years, Dr. Giles operated a boutique specialty practice treating everyone from championship athletes and Fortune 50 executives to billionaires and their families, hand-building long-term recovery programs focused on relationships rather than quick fixes. This elite-level experience, combined with his personal recovery journey, informs his contrarian yet highly effective treatment philosophy. Guest Resources: Website: www.ororecovery.com/dr-jason-giles/ Book: Outsmart Your Addiction   Episode Sponsors: FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/KIMBERLY and using code KIMBERLY at checkout. 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USE LINK: livemomentous.com Code: KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription.   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background02:10 Journey into Addiction Medicine09:20 Personal Experience with Addiction13:01 Combining Science and Heart in Treatment16:46 Recognizing Addiction: Signs and Symptoms22:55 Addiction in Professionals: A Common Struggle26:08 Breaking the Silence on Addiction28:43 Understanding Food Addiction and GLP-131:56 The Complexity of Weight Loss and Hormonal Signals34:19 The Role of Spirituality in Recovery43:09 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Healing   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:01.863)So great to have you, Dr. Giles. Thank you so much for being here with our feel good community. Jason Giles MD (00:07.31)Thank you for having me. It’s my honor to be here. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:10.267)Where are you calling in from today? Jason Giles MD (00:13.96)I am in my office. currently I’m at the, place on the East coast in New Hampshire, enjoying, enjoying beautiful weather. The leaves are just starting to turn in the fall here, although it’s still warm. It’s not, it’s not chilly yet. It’s not sweater weather, but we had a bit of a drought this summer. So I think the trees are just ready for a rest. That’s how they’re acting. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:21.543)I’m giggling because I grew up on the East Coast too, Dr. Dries, I’m from Connecticut, but I don’t miss that. are like, love fall season. I don’t, sorry, I’m between now Southern California and Hawaii. Once I could choose, I really just wanted sunshine, but I appreciate the beautiful leaves. I think when people love winter, I know people that love skiing. Jason Giles MD (00:43.626)down the road. You don’t miss the weather. Yeah. Jason Giles MD (00:55.086)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:06.961)We all like different things, don’t we? Jason Giles MD (01:08.654)It’s a funny paradox. I’m from Southern California and moved here just a few years ago. And it was a shock. It was a shock dealing with the seasons and it gets very cold here in the winter. But I figured it out. I look forward to the change and I’m in Southern California a lot. So I haven’t had time to completely miss it. My mother is still there. So I visit her. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:12.637)are ill. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:23.773)Yeah! Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:28.689)Okay. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:33.935)Are you scared? Jason Giles MD (01:36.32)I used to be, and then I had two kids, one played baseball eventually at a very high level. One did ballet, eventually professionally. And so the kids didn’t want to get hurt. So we, we, we set that aside, but I do like being outside. like, I like, I like the snow. I like a good, I like a good hike. do snow shoeing here. I did some snowmobiling some years ago. I hope to get back to that. That’s, that’s super fun. Maybe skiing. don’t know. There’s it’s just hard. It’s. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:49.628)Yeah. Jason Giles MD (02:05.198)I’m not in a ski group, but I do like it. It’s super fun. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:08.902)was available. Jason Giles MD (02:10.85)Yes. Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:12.027)Dr. Giles, coming down to business here, you have a really interesting focus in your work on addiction. And even when I hear that word, it feels like there’s so many ways in which we can get addicted. We can addicted to coffee, to sugar, to drugs, to sex, to working overtime. Well, first of all, tell us how you sort of narrowed into this. focus in your work, I imagine it wasn’t something you may have set out to do when you were starting out. Jason Giles MD (02:47.186)no, that’s good pickup. Not, not, not at all. I, I went a traditional route college and then medical school and my, Achilles heel, suppose is that I was interested in all sorts of things. liked pretty much every rotation I went through when I was on pediatrics. I wanted to be a pediatrician. And when I was on neurology, I was going to be a neurologist. I liked all kinds of stuff. There is a specialty that embraces all the specialties and it’s anesthesia. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:16.669)Mmm. Jason Giles MD (03:16.994)And that’s, that’s, that’s what I wound up doing. And anesthesia is, you know, taking away pain and awareness so that the surgeons can work their magic, fix whatever needs to be done. And I, I liked it. It was really, it was great. All different people, right? So from newborns or premature newborns all the way up to centenarians, ever, ever need surgery. They all have all different medical problems. So pretty much everything in the book. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:40.562)Wow. Jason Giles MD (03:46.85)can be a complicating factor. And then there’s all different surgery. So I liked it all. I wound up doing a specialty that I liked it all. But two things happened along the way. I wound up being a cardiac anesthesiologist. So doing the big cases, transplants and heart surgery and stuff like that. But along the way, two things happened. One, I went through the recovery process myself. So I developed my own addiction and needed to get help for that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:03.229)That was intense. Jason Giles MD (04:14.24)And that changed my perspective. That was sort of the first blow. then there’s a drug that many, years ago when I was telling this little story, I would have to repeat it because people hadn’t heard of it before. So I would say it again and they would say, well, what’s that? What does that do? But unfortunately, I’ll say it that way. I don’t have to repeat it anymore. It’s the drug that I was on was called fentanyl. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:17.329)What were you addicted to? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:38.651)When we hear that term, think, that’s what’s in drugs that kills people. Jason Giles MD (04:42.466)That’s what’s in drugs that kills people. And it nearly killed me. I got very extremely fortunate that it didn’t. Very, very lucky. Due in large part to my department chairman who had his snivers out or his antenna. And I thought I was being clever and only using after work and, you know, being meticulous. But… He w he watched my decline over, over about a year and made, made a move and, suggested that maybe I had a problem and it was well deep up to my neck by that point. And this is grace here, by the way, this is, this is a divine part, which is I accepted to help. didn’t, I didn’t try to keep running. So that led me on a journey of self discovery. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:28.53)Yeah. Jason Giles MD (05:37.006)The stuff that you talk about in your show, it runs through all of that, right? So early motivations and self-concept and the drive to become one of the most difficult types of specialty doctors is the same drive that I didn’t feel comfortable with myself. I didn’t think I was okay. I thought there was something missing. In some part, the fentanyl is what I thought was missing because… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:01.021)Mm-hmm. Jason Giles MD (06:05.036)I couldn’t relax. couldn’t settle down after work. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:08.231)How does it make you feel? it like a painkiller in that? Jason Giles MD (06:11.214)Yeah, it’s like a super, yeah, super intense painkiller, like super like the kills all the pain, all the suffering, all the worry. Say again. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:21.703)like Valium? Jason Giles MD (06:23.678)different, different. It’s if, if Valium gave you energy, it’d be kind of like that a little bit. So if it gave, if it, if it made you feel, safe and comfortable as well as, alert and capable, like at ease. So those are all the feelings that I wanted. I wanted those feelings. That’s why I went in through academics. That’s why I went to medicine. That’s why, that’s why I worked so hard was to get that sense of being okay. And of course. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:40.455)So how do some people. Jason Giles MD (06:53.102)that doesn’t come that way. You don’t get it that way. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:54.575)Exactly. You get it from the identity and the job titles and everybody, you know, saying, you’re so smart, Dr. Giles, even though you are, it’s all this. Jason Giles MD (07:04.558)You know, because inside you say, if you only knew, if you knew the real story, you wouldn’t say that I was smart, which is of course, arrogant, very arrogant to reject compliments, to reject reality. And that’s where I was. I was miserable and cut off and isolated and separate. And my work performance was fantastic. I overdid at work, I over-prepared. But that’s like being on farther and farther out on that bar that they carry to get across the high wire. It was like being on both ends of it at the same time. Fortunately, I had a very gentle intervention in the form of a loving phone call and. I was terrified when I got that call. My heart’s pounding and my mouth is dry and my palms are sweaty because I could not see that there was anything good going to come of this. couldn’t see that there was a life on the other side that I was about to go on a different kind of adventure. I didn’t know that. I was really, really scared. But Dr. Moore was my department chair. It’s very warm. Australian fellow, super achieved academic himself. And he told me, said, we saw this before. had another doctor in the department a few years ago who we found too late. He overdosed and died and we found him in the morning in the call room. And I could see that the things that you were doing, the way you looked, your responses, while your work was preserved, while you’re… Jason Giles MD (08:57.094)you know, your casework was still great. That frightened him enough, he could see the pattern. And so that was my exit. in beginning, so was step one, was this new life as a sober person. Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:14.813)Dr. Giles. Jason Giles MD (09:19.586)Are we having bad internet? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:24.797)Hold on, I’m gonna log off and log back in. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:46.874)Hey, so we were 10 minutes into the show and it froze and it kicked him off. So I just logged off and logged back in. Can you call him to come back? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:00.268)Okay, thank you. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:25.486)Dr. Giles. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:33.656)There you are. You know, technology, it’s okay. Our editor will fix it. It happens sometimes. It’s not all the time, but don’t worry. So go back to your story. Remember, yeah, when we got cut off. And we’ll just patch this part right back. Jason Giles MD (12:36.531)There I am. I don’t know what happened. We had problems. Jason Giles MD (12:45.682)Okay. Jason Giles MD (12:52.211)Yeah. So I was, I, I, I got very lucky. and I owe, some of that for good fortune, to a fellow who preceded me at the department and wound up, you know, not, not making it. I never met him. I didn’t, didn’t, didn’t know him, but he set the, set the pattern so that when I followed fell into the same, trap or fell into the same, yeah, addiction fentanyl. I had somebody who was looking out for me. So, enormously fortunate there. So that was step one. Second part was when I came back, I, at that. I fell in love with, that’s crazy. I fell in love with talking to people because anesthesia, of course, there’s not much talking going on. It’s a little bit of consent and then staring at the top of somebody’s head for an hour or two while the surgeon does her thing and. and I, I enjoyed talking with the patients and so talking with the patients and then going through my own experience where I became a patient is what finally I stayed in anesthesia for awhile, but it finally convinced me to let that go and pursue this really very new field. know that things like alcoholics, anonymous and stuff had been around for almost a hundred years, but as an organized, discipline or specialty in medicine, addiction medicine is really very new. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:20.472)Yeah. Jason Giles MD (14:20.717)And our understanding of it is very rudimentary. It’s not very sophisticated compared with other specialties like nephrology or that sort of thing. So it’s a frontier and that excites me. And the same drive that I had of wanting to know and wanting to learn, wanting to grow and do something exciting, now I get to do that with this. And I’ll say one last thing about it, which is… The cool part about this field, so if you haven’t, heaven forbid, break a bone and go to the bone doctor to get it fixed, if everything goes perfectly, then you get your, let’s say broken arm back like it was. That’s the best thing that can happen. But in this field, what happens when people turn their lives around is their lives come out way better than how they started. Way better. Same with what you’re doing, right? Same with what you’re doing. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:13.721)Yeah. Well, my gosh, Dr. Giles. Well, the first thing I want to say is thank you for sharing that amazing story with us. The second thing, and I got a lot of goosebumps when you literally use the phrase, I let it go, right? Because our mind has these ideas. I’m going to have this job and then I’m going to get this specialty and I’m going to get these accolades. I’m going to go this way and this way. And it’s, you know, whether you to use the term God, spirit, universe, higher intelligence, whatever it is. There’s the greater plan that we’re part of and you went through this experience and then you let go of your mind’s ideas. And then you, it’s like you got led into this pathway where you can really, not that you weren’t helping people before, but because you’ve been through addiction. I imagine now, can you tell me how you approach it as a, know, obviously as a doctor, with science, as a clinician, but also, Jason Giles MD (16:04.425)Changed everything. Changed everything. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:15.138)your heart, working with people, knowing what it feels like to be addicted, to be in the throes of feeling out of control. And obviously people are because they’re feeling that lack inside of themselves, which you had experienced. How do you combine that, your intuition, your heart with the science? Jason Giles MD (16:26.429)Yeah. Yeah. Jason Giles MD (16:34.779)Excellent question. Excellent question. Yeah. And every person’s unique. That’s the thing. It’s a, is one of the, one of the challenges of the field is it doesn’t, it doesn’t standardize very easily. So you can’t just say, okay, everybody do these, these, the, you know, these, 10 exercises and it’ll, and you’ll, you’ll come out great on the other side or have this, have this surgery will cut out the cancer and then you won’t have cancer. It’s not, it’s not like that because everyone’s relationship to their story is. is, is individual, it’s unique. So what has to change in order to get better, and this doesn’t sound very scientific, it doesn’t sound, it doesn’t sound very medical maybe, but what has to change is the story you tell yourself about yourself and all aspects, things you tell yourself about your past, things you tell yourself about your family, about your, about your future. And so to use me as exhibit A again, I was telling myself that I wasn’t okay. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:21.924)So yeah. Jason Giles MD (17:32.519)didn’t have all the compliment of things that normal human beings had, that there was something missing, that I wasn’t good enough and that I didn’t fit. Now, those turn out to be pretty common things. A lot of people feel that way from time to time, pretty much everybody from time to time. But what’s really bad is when you think like I did, I know how to fix this. And then you set off to… In my case, was, you know, achieve academically, be really great at work. You talked about that, about addictions to work. I definitely had that. And the better I got at work, the more that feeling grew. was like scratching poison oak. It just felt good at the time, but then a worse feeling came afterwards. So the question about connecting with people, think that’s, you know, Johan Hari says the opposite of. addiction is connection, right? It’s this sense of alienation that we, that we amend by connecting to one another. Honestly, I think that’s critical ingredient. You know, this office has all this paper. That’s my medical degree behind me, but there’s all this stuff that says, you know, I got board certified in this and that and whatever. Nobody cares about that. Those, those things are not what matters. What matters is whether or not you care about the patient you’re talking to or the person suffering through the addiction. and whether or not the person you’re talking to trust you. And there’s something that’s really strange. So I told you at the beginning, this story of feeling like it was that my life was over when my fentanyl addiction came to light, but really it was the beginning of my life. So the patients, there’s been tens of thousands of patients that I’ve been able to work with since then and admit and help along their way. And Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:15.672)Mm. Jason Giles MD (19:23.931)The thing that gives me the most credibility is not the academic achievements. It’s the personal failing that then I got help with, but that turned my life around. So they know I’m not judging. I think that’s one of the most important ingredients is to meet people where they are and to not prejudice your opinions of them based on how they present or what you think you know is going on. Everyone has his own story of suffering. Everyone’s going through something you have no idea. So coming to it from that standpoint is probably half the journey. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:02.554)So along those lines, doctor, for anyone listening to this now, and they think, well, how do I know I’m addicted? And I like how you mentioned the opposite is connection. And I can say for myself, and I’ve shared this with the community many times, when I was in high school and I became bulimic, feel good, it was a sort of addiction to binging and then purging. And I can definitely say there was a complete disconnection from my body. Jason Giles MD (20:28.494)Butter croissants, if I recall. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:31.33)my god. Anything like fatty butter. And you know, sometimes there’d be blood throwing up and no connection, right? So someone is saying, okay, because sometimes we throw around the word addiction a little bit, casually, like I’m really addicted to coffee or this or that. How do we know or how does anyone know or they’d be like, okay, I’m doing, you know, doing the Jason Giles MD (20:35.677)Mm-hmm. Jason Giles MD (20:41.161)Sure. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:56.95)whatever, weed, cocaine sometimes, and like you said, you thought you were in control. What are some of the defining signs that we can say, hey, we need to take this a bit more seriously? Jason Giles MD (21:09.149)Sure. Excellent question. Well, first of all, what we think of addiction, think of as addiction is actually, it’s actually normal behavior. So it’s, it’s normal to do something over and over again, until you get good at it. That’s what we all did when we learned to walk or learn to speak. Certainly when you learn to ride a bicycle or learn to host a hit podcast, you know, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:32.505)Yeah. Jason Giles MD (21:38.409)We’re bad at it in the beginning and we’re awkward and we’re crummy and we don’t know what we’re doing. And then one foot in front of the other. And the next thing you know, you start to get some speed and you figure it out and you can ride your bike around the neighborhood or, or help, you know, help many, many people. And, and it’s the same with when you, when you pick up a substance. So alcohol is probably the most common one. I don’t know. I don’t know anybody who the first drink was delicious and it went down great. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:59.31)Yeah, good example. Jason Giles MD (22:05.957)Everybody is like, this doesn’t taste very good. And they, they work through it and overshoot or causes them embarrassment. to develop a problem with alcohol, you have to keep at it. You have to keep learning how to use it and keep pursuing that feeling until you’re really good at drinking to manage your feelings or using fentanyl to manage your feelings or eating butter croissants until you feel like I can do this. The rules don’t apply. And I’m just. I’m putting words in your mouth, but the rules don’t apply to me. I’m different. And then, look, I can eat and not have the consequences if I just do this thing, but then the thing makes you feel bad. And that whole, that whole nexus of emotions that go together, that is something that we figure out when I do this, I feel a certain way. The reason that’s important is we want to control our feelings. want to manage our internal world. That’s what success is. Yes, that’s what success is. We want love in our lives. And so we present a certain way, we say certain things, we go to the gym, we get good at whatever, and then we attract love in our lives and then we feel that’s a lot of work. But that’s what’s necessary to have a authentic good relationship is to be the best you can be in the relationship, which is a lot of effort. But we pursue the feeling. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (23:05.216)Control. Jason Giles MD (23:31.441)Addiction is just pursuing the feeling. It’s just another learning loop. So that’s why it’s not a disease. You know, people give me dirty looks when I say that because it’s so popular to say, it’s a disease. It’s just something that you learn. Unfortunately, the things that we use too much of or too many, it could be anything, right? I’m drinking a little glass of water, but if I was drinking gallons and gallons of water, I would get sick. And if you, if you… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (23:59.086)Yeah, exercise too much. Jason Giles MD (24:01.979)If you eat a croissant, you’re probably okay. But if you eat 20, you’re definitely not. If you exercise to the point where you break down your body and you develop all sorts of problems or where you cost you other things, right? some like ultra marathoners or triathlon people or people pursuing excellence in the Olympics or professional realms, those things take a lot of time. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (24:31.268)Yeah. Jason Giles MD (24:31.569)And they affect the rest of your life. There’s only so much time. So it affects your relationships. It affects your earning power. It affects your health. All these things are affected by whatever we’re disproportionately doing. Drinking, cocaine, work, religion, even religion can become ripe where people are murdered to be around. They’re insufferable because they’re just, everything is that and they’re over. They’re over invested in it and they don’t, and it, and it ruins their relationship. So addiction is just like that. And everybody has something. Everybody has something. Your question is, how do you know if right? I get this question all the time. So if I go to a party and it gets around to the, do you do? What do you do? And I tell them people have a glass of wine or they, or something. And they say, well, do I have a problem? So this is very, very common question. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (25:11.587)Yeah. Jason Giles MD (25:30.118)And The way to answer that question is, know. So if you’re asking that question, you know, you know, you know. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (25:36.121)Bye. I agree, you know, and maybe you don’t wanna know because it’s giving you that comfort, you know. Jason Giles MD (25:44.989)You can, yeah,

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Alyssa Trask Campbell Summary: In this episode, Kimberly and Alyssa Black Campbell discuss her journey as a parenting expert and author, focusing on the emotional landscape of parenting. She emphasizes the importance of understanding emotions, connection, and the needs behind children’s behaviors. The discussion covers various topics including self-regulation, co-regulation, the significance of creating safe spaces for communication, and navigating challenges like lying and bullying. Alyssa shares insights from her personal experiences and highlights the role of neuroscience in understanding children’s emotional needs.   About Alyssa Blask Campbell Alyssa Blask Campbell is CEO of Seed & Sew, a platform that offers consultations and courses on emotional intelligence, as well as creating a modern parenting village. She has a master’s degree in early childhood education and is a leading expert in emotional development and travels the globe speaking on the topic. Her first book, Tiny Humans, Big Emotions, published in October 2023 from HarperCollins. Follow @seed.and.sew.   Guest Resources: Website: Seed & Sew Book: Big Kids, Bigger Feelings: Navigating Defiance, Meltdowns, Anxiety to Raise Confident, Connected Kids   Episode Sponsors: LMNT OFFER: Right now, for my listeners LMNT is offering a free sample pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD. That’s 8 single serving packets FREE with any LMNT any LMNT drink mix purchase. This deal is only available through my link so. Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. 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USE LINK: Animamundiherbals.com and use code: KIM20 to get 20% off your purchase!   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Parenting and Emotions02:48 Understanding Emotions in Parenting06:01 The Role of Connection in Parenting08:50 Identifying Needs Behind Behaviors12:09 Navigating Punishment and Connection14:48 The Importance of Self-Regulation17:51 Co-Regulation and Emotional Intelligence21:09 Addressing Lying and Trust23:47 Creating a Safe Space for Sharing27:00 Understanding Fear and Vulnerability29:45 The Impact of Trauma on Parenting32:59 Conclusion and Resources   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Welcome to the Feel Good Podcast, which is all about heart-led living and wellness. When we awaken the power of our hearts and let that guide us through our daily choices and decisions, through our four cornerstones, food, body, emotional well-being, and spiritual growth, we will experience the most incredible results and create more vitality, health, strength, peace, abundance, and love in our lives. I am your host, Kimberly Snyder, New York Times bestselling author, founder of Solluna, creator of the research-based Heart Aligned Meditation, wellness expert, nutritionist, and international speaker. I am passionate about supporting you on your unique heart and wellness journey. For more information on todays show please go to mysolluna.com for show notes and links. Let’s get started. Speaker 1 (01:29.13)So thank you so much for being here with us today and congrats on your new book. This is your second one. Speaker 2 (01:30.73) Yeah, yeah, my first one, Tiny Human’s Big Emotions came out in 2023. I was like 32 weeks pregnant when that one published, was a whirlwind. Wow. Yeah, that one hit the New York Times bestseller list, which was exciting. Yeah. And then a few weeks after it published, was doing well. Our editor reached out and was like, Alyssa, will you write another book? I was like, actually, I just need a nap. I’m so tired. And so I turned to Rachel, who I’ve worked with, had the privilege of working with now for seven years. And she works with me at my company. And I asked her she would write this bad boy with me. And she said, yeah. So we were able to do it. Well, I think this is so great because many of us are parents in the community or are thinking about being parents in the future or even not. feel like parenting books help us understand ourselves. And I can say as a parent, there’s been this incredible experience of feeling like I’m reparenting myself. And most of us are not learned. You we don’t learn. to handle emotions, have tools as you talk about in your book. And I went through this period of this, where it’s like, hmm, you know, it just felt a little sad and I had to process that. But I also think we’re given the, you know, the childhoods that were meant to be given. But I feel like this is, you know, this is big stuff we’re talking about here. Yeah, people often say they like come for their kids, but they stay for themselves. That so much of this work. We say if you have a nervous system like this works for you. We are really just talking about neuroscience and what it’s like to be a human on planet Earth and be in relationship with other humans. And man, it’s doozy sometimes. Yeah. Speaker 1 (02:55.63)Yeah, and I like how you talk about upfront. It’s not about trying to shield ourselves or our children from hardships because you know my nine-year-old now I can see him being more self-conscious about what he wears to school and Then he told me that there was a child like in one of the older grades who kind of made fun of his dog man sure now he won’t wear it and it just brings up stuff and It’s a lot like all the layers of kind of reliving what we’ve been through as parents. 100%. And I find for myself as a parent, there’s nothing harder than just watching your child experience something hard, like being made fun of, feeling left out, feeling that shame or embarrassment. And knowing that it’s not our job to take it away, but instead to be with them through those hard things to let them know that they can navigate this and survive it. It’s so hard. to do in practice as a parent is allowing it. Well, I’m not sure that all of us were even raised with parents that were aware that there was hardship. I wasn’t. I’m not just blaming my parents or anything. just I don’t think that’s how they were raised either. So I just know that there was a lot of things that I pushed down because I couldn’t handle them. Speaker 1 (04:26.614)And I think that’s ultimately why I turned to certain things like bulimia and eating disorders. I couldn’t digest life. And, you know, as adults, we continue to learn and grow and pass on, you know, more tools to our children. Totally, and we’re not gonna heal all the things and that’s okay too. I think of my friend, Dr. Linietta Willis, she’s an intergenerational trauma therapist. And she talks about our legacy blessings and our legacy burdens. And our legacy blessings are those things that we wanna pass on, that we inherited and that we want to pass on to our children in the next gen. And our legacy burdens are those things that maybe we don’t want to pass on, but also knowing that we’re not going to heal all the burdens, that some of them will get passed on and that’s okay. We get to give our kids the tools and the outlets to continue to heal and process. Yeah Speaker 1 (05:24.078)Well, I love how, and we’ll get into some of the more specific tools you talk about, but there’s a underlying theme of connection, which is, you know, in my work with the heart and just being connected to self and always, even if we’re not perfect parents, if we can stay empathetic, we can be connected. Our children will really feel that. 100%. And when we’re talking about different topics in big kids in this book, we talk about a number of different topics, but you’re right, the through line is not it. The goal isn’t to say, Hey, say this script at this time, or say these exact words or do this exact thing. The through line for us is how do you maintain connection and just stay in relationship with each other and recognizing that Yeah. Speaker 2 (06:13.336)Sometimes relationship is messy and hard and sometimes it feels good and easy and you’re not failing if you’re in conflict in relationship or you’re in the messy hard parts. That’s just a part of being in relationship with each other. Right. Well, you know, as you say, these tiny humans and then middle childhood, there’s different things happening on in their brain and their prefrontal cortex and the way that they process information. So I want to ask you as a parent, you know, some real questions. And then of course, it will illustrate some of the information that you share in big kids, bigger, bigger feelings. either you or Rachel use an example where, obviously paraphrasing here, but I think it was one of the daughters. was teasing the sibling. then the mama, which was you, Rachel, said, well, no screen time tomorrow, if you remember this. And I think as a parent, sometimes we see behaviors in our children. And in our family dynamic, our older son, who’s four years older than our younger son, who’s now five, sometimes he’ll take his choice because he can, and he’s bigger, or he’ll do things. And as hard as a parent, like we don’t know. Sometimes you wanna say, because my kids don’t get screen time except on the weekends. So sometimes I’ll say something, well, next Saturday you’re not gonna get your 30 minutes of screen time. like you said, it’s punishment, give, take, but sometimes you don’t know what else to do. Totally, yeah. Well, and that’s real and a part of just being a human on planet Earth too, that you’re not always gonna in the moment have the answers. So giving ourselves grace is so key here too. But in an ideal world, what we’re looking at is trying to identify, we get to be like a detective and see what’s the need that’s driving this behavior. So when your older son comes and takes that toy from his younger son, is it a need for connection? Speaker 2 (08:08.768)Is he really trying to connect or engage or get somebody’s attention, which is a connection? You get so much attention though. Some of our kids, it’s like a leaky cup. It can feel like a leaky cup for connection. I have a high connection seeker. My daughter’s a high connection seeker. And it can feel like there’s not enough connection in the world that will be enough for her. And my son is not a high connection seeker. It’s almost like it feels easier to fill his connection cup. But also for him, his sensory needs are more demanding than hers. we all just have our own little blueprint walking through this world. But when we can look at what is the need driving the behavior and we break these down into two categories. We have sensory needs and we talk about the nervous system, the nine sensory systems which we can get into. But when we’re looking at that, we’re really looking at are they under stimulated or overstimulated? Are they hungry? Are they tired? Do they need to move their body? Do they need a break from stim? They need to chill. Right, okay. That’s more easier to decode in a way. Speaker 2 (09:11.822)For a lot of us, we grew up in cultures where sensory needs were seen as needs. Food, water, movement, were seen as needs. And connection needs were often seen as wants. It was like attention-seeking behavior, and that was a negative thing. And it wasn’t seen as, you need attention, that you have this need for inclusion or belonging or knowing that you’re loved or worthy or valued. so for a lot of us, the connection needs can actually be quite triggering. where it can feel like, my gosh, this kid’s so needy. They need so much. And that’s our own bias coming up into play and being able to recognize that is half the battle. And then really being able to see like, okay, this is a need for connection. And maybe I just spent a bunch of time connecting with this kiddo and maybe they’re a high connection needs kid. And so what are the outlets for that? Great. Speaker 2 (10:07.154)And we give some examples in the book. And I was actually, was just at an event down in LA where we were, I was met with a group of a hundred moms and we were talking about exactly this. Like what are ways that we can help our kids? Like if I can’t give them more connection in this moment, I’m cooking dinner or I’m trying to do something. What are outlets for that? And we have things like journaling back and forth or being able to call a friend and chat with them on the phone or. FaceTime a grandparent or a cousin or a friend or an aunt or uncle and find ways to have that outlet that’s not always directly from you as the parent or maybe even from the sibling who might have lower connection needs and kind of needs a break to be by themselves for a little bit. Right. Okay. So would you say as a parenting expert, Alyssa, punishment or taking things away doesn’t really work? It just doesn’t solve the problem. What we’re going to do is we’re responding to the behavior on the surface. As long as we’re not meeting that need, you’re going to keep seeing new behaviors pop up because the need doesn’t go away. Right? In the same way that if you had like a baby who was hungry, you could bounce them and shush them all day long, but until you feed them, they’re not going to stop crying because they’re hungry. And if we have a child who needs to move their body or a child who needs to connect, we might put out the fires on the surface, but until we meet that need, you’re just gonna see new ones pop up. Speaker 1 (11:40.226)Do you think that there’s some children in the way that they’re, you know, finding their way in the world? Like my older son is very mischievous, for example. Slime in my farm boots and he thinks it’s hilarious and he laughs like he’s always… Pranks like he loves it. And he just thinks it’s hilarious. And he gets so much attention. Again, like always, all the time. Do you feel like maybe some of this behavior is, you he wants his… He would. Speaker 2 (11:54.888)Such a connection seeker. Speaker 1 (12:09.57)get a rise out of his brother and. really from a place of connection. I want your attention. want you to notice me. brother. From anybody, right? Our high connection seekers, they’ll seek it out anywhere. we can help them identify that. I would say things like, that was a silly prank that you did, or that was silly joke. Did you want me to laugh? Were you trying to connect with me and help kind of bridge that awareness for them of when you’re doing these things, it’s because you want to connect. That’s how we help build their awareness of what is my need. So then when they grow up in the world, they can move through the world knowing, when I feel this way, it’s because I’m hungry. When I feel that way, it’s because I’m tired. When I feel this way, I need to move my body. When I’m doing these things, it’s because I need to connect with somebody, because I need to feel that sense of connection and belong. you Speaker 1 (13:07.278)As many of you know, I’ve been drinking our beloved Power Protein Smoothie Community Recipe for many years. And I do this day to day as a great way to get energizing protein into my day without feeling too heavy. Usually I drink it in the early or mid afternoons. 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I highly recommend that you also incorporate electrolytes into your routine as well to optimize your hydration, which your body, mind, and heart will greatly benefit from. And for now, our amazing community listeners, We’ll get a free sample pack with any element drink mix at www.drinkelement.com slash feel good. That’s eight single serving packets for free with any element drink mix purchase. Please go to www.drinkelement.com slash feel good. That’s www.drinklmnt.com slash feel good. Also check out the new element sparkling, which is a sparkly, fizzy electrolyte water if you love fizzy drinks. Speaker 1 (16:34.958)I’ll just tell you a fear as a parent hearing this is, again, he gets so much attention. Again, everybody says it, right? I pay so much attention to E. So I guess my fear is if he’s still wanting more, what if when he grows up, he gets into unhealthy relationships or he just always has to be in a relationship because of that. I want to reframe, like, you’re looking at intimate relationships. I see most often with our high connection seekers, they often actually seek it out even much outside of intimate relationships in friendships and in other spaces where, like, they might be the human who corrals kids to, like, all get together and play a game or they can often be, like, leaders in a pack where they… are so many outlets for connection that it’s not just an intimate one-to-one relationship. There are so many avenues for it. And as they continue to grow, they’ll find places to connect in different ways to make that happen. And we can support them along the way. But these are humans who it’s a superpower and we need them in this world. My daughter is like this. She is a high connection seeker. She walks into a room of 100 people she doesn’t know. And she’s like, my God, yes, 100 new friends. She’s 20 months. And she’s four? my gosh. and do you think that correlates with being an extrovert? Yeah, a lot of way. Speaker 2 (18:00.494)A lot of our high connection seeking kiddos are also extroverted. You a little bit have to be because it’s going to fill that cup, right? That like when you’re in that, although I just had a kid pop into my head who I when I was teaching and he was five years old and he had high connection needs, but he was an introvert and he would seek out more one to one like peer connection connection for me as a teacher. But he would look forward in those kind of smaller groups. activities and avenues, but he would glom on to like other kids and just want to be near them and want to talk to them and want to share and yada yada. But it was like he had one or two good friends in each space. He wasn’t like, I want to hang out with everyone in the class. Well, so there’s natural extroverts, introverts, connectors, like you said. How do you think this relates to, and you know, this is sort of on a spiritual level and in yogic traditions, you talk about the true self and self connection, which is self-effulgence and fulfilling and being so connected to the love inside that you wanna share it with people, but you’re not needing it. Yeah, I think that we’re, I’m going to pull in the like neuroscience and too. When we’re looking at this, I want to recognize that there’s not a human on the planet where there’s a one size fits all. Right? all of us, our nervous systems operate differently in the way that we integrate stimuli, the way that we integrate the world around us and make sense of it is different for all of us. And for some kids, they are their superpowers. I can noticing the details. or they know if something moves in their environment. They can get really dysregulated by like piles or clutter or things like that because they’re super attuned to the visual stimuli in their space. Some humans who sound, they’re really aware of the sounds in their environment and they can get really overstimulated by sound, especially if there’s competing sounds happening. Some kids who notice the details of how clothing feels in a heightened way. It’s too itchy, it’s too tight, it’s too something. Speaker 2 (20:02.378)And I look at these as superpowers, that they’re really good at noticing, they’re very attuned to those senses. And there are some humans who aren’t as attuned, and for them, can, it then appears as though they can maybe be more easygoing or they can move through the world differently, because their brain isn’t so hyper-focused on like, my gosh, what is that noise? I can’t stop hearing that clicking sound in the background and kind of tuning into those things in different ways. And so when we’re looking at the integration of all of that stimuli. We go through the nine senses in the book and outline it. But I think it’s really important in then saying like how you integrate them then determines how you show up in the world and what you need from the world around you based on how your nervous system is integrating that stimuli, because it’s going to find kind of homeostasis and regulation in different ways based on your unique nervous system. Does that make sense? It does to me. It sounds a little complicated to explain to a child. for sure. I’m going to break it down in different words to Yeah, to a kid. we this so the bulk of the work that we do at Seed is in school systems. I work in schools, elementary, middle schools, and then in childcare programs. And we teach teachers like how to talk to kids about this. How do you teach them about their nervous system? Totally. Well, there’s this idea of self-regulation even is something I think we need to really break down that and self-regulation. Speaker 2 (21:32.404)You teach self-regulation through co-regulation and self-regulation isn’t one size fits all. Wait, so say that again for a moment. mean co-regulation, you regulate yourself and then you’re in the space and then… You know, it’s like goosebumps. It’s almost like the science of heart coherence. Well, our hearts are giving off a magnetic field that’s 100 times stronger than the brain. So when we’re more emotionally calm, you talk about emotional intelligence and the more coherent, our heart rhythms are smooth and our… borrowing your comms. Speaker 2 (21:52.108)Not anymore. Speaker 1 (22:06.306)Brains are nervous, everything’s in sync. People around you feel that. Totally. So as we calm ourselves, we can calm our children more. That’s right. I think of it like the difference between a thermometer and a thermostat. A thermometer is just going to read the temperature of the room, you’re going to join it. A thermostat sets that temperature. And in order to set that temperature, you have to be mindful of your own regulation. So often we want kids to regulate for us. We want them to get calm for us when we can’t. Right. Yeah, I see parents who are literally screaming in public. Yeah. And they’re like, you calm down. We’re at the playground and I heard this, this mom didn’t know we were there. We were in the bathroom and she was like talking to her two girls and then me and my younger son came out and she was like embarrassed. I mean, I felt bad for her because obviously she didn’t want, no one wants to be that person. Nobody wants to be in that state where their body feels so out of control that you’re like, need the humans around me to change their behavior so I can feel in control. And so so much, that’s why I said so many folks, they come for the kids, but stay for themselves that we dive into what is, how does your nervous system work? What does it look like to learn how to build your own self-awareness and self-regulation so that we can then navigate co-regulation with our kids so that Speaker 2 (23:28.098)when our kid comes in and they roll their eyes and they slam the door and they give a sass or the sarcasm or whatever, that we can be the calm force in that moment. And it doesn’t mean I don’t hold boundaries. It doesn’t mean that any behavior is allowed. It does mean that I am really working on, okay, how do I calm my body so that I can respond with intention instead of react from a place of dysregulation. So let’s play this out for any mamas out there who have teenagers or getting close to teenagers, not there yet. But although I’ve seen some behavior from my nine-year-old defiance and disrespect, which you talk about in the book. Let’s say your teenager comes home and you say, or, hey, I’ll be the teenager. Well, it seems like something happened at school today. I’m fine. Yeah, I am here if you want to chat. Would you like space or do you want to talk about? Speaker 1 (24:30.862)Why are you so annoying? Why are you always trying to say that to me? I love you so much. I’m going to be cooking in the kitchen. If you want to come touch base, that’s where I’ll be That’s not a fun. Okay. Let’s do another one. Yeah. I mean, so it’s a center. You’re the center and you’re not trying to grab. Okay. I love it. I’m not taking the bait. Right? Like the bait is all, that would be me joining their energy. And I’m saying like, I’ve got you. I’m still calm in your storm. Okay, let’s do this one, which I have experienced where my son will call me by my first name and I don’t like it. Sure. Okay, so I’ll be the teenager tween, okay? Yeah. Comes home from school. Hey, Alyssa. Speaker 2 (25:15.544)Hey, did you want my attention? I heard you use my first name. Alisha? Yeah, it does sound like you want my attention. I’m here if you want to chat or hang. Lyssa, Lyssa! Yeah, come

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Henry Abbott Summary: In this episode Kimberly Snyder speaks with Henry Abbott, a former ESPN journalist and physical movement expert, discussing his new book ‘Ballistic: The New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance.’ They explore the importance of heart-led living, the connection between movement and emotional well-being, and the significance of understanding our body’s mechanics to prevent injuries. The conversation emphasizes the need for diverse movement practices, the role of weightlifting, and the impact of hydration and nutrition on overall health. Abbott shares insights on how to improve mobility and stability, particularly focusing on the hips, and the importance of trusting our bodies to move freely and joyfully. About Henry Abbott Henry Abbott is an award-winning journalist and founder of TrueHoop. He led ESPN’s Networks 60-person NBA (National Basketball Association) digital and print team, which published several groundbreaking articles on sports science and body injury prevention. He also won a National Magazine Award. Abbott currently lives in New Jersey.   Guest Resources: Website: treuhoop.com Book: Ballistic: The New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance   Episode Sponsors: LMNT OFFER: Right now, for my listeners LMNT is offering a free sample pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD. That’s 8 single serving packets FREE with any LMNT any LMNT drink mix purchase. This deal is only available through my link so. Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. USE LINK: DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. 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USE LINK: fatty15.com/KIMBERLY   Episode Chapters 00:00 Heart-Led Living and Wellness Introduction00:53 Exploring Athletic Performance and Injury Prevention03:06 The Importance of Connection to Movement05:42 Understanding Movement Patterns and Injury Risks09:01 The Role of Hips in Mobility and Stability12:00 Weightlifting and Its Benefits for Women15:00 Hydration and Nutrition for Optimal Performance17:38 The Science of Movement and Body Awareness20:50 Fascial Release and Its Impact on Mobility23:31 The Interconnection of Physical and Emotional Health26:35 Embracing Diverse Movement Practices29:31 The Role of Animals in Understanding Movement32:41 Conclusion and Call to Action SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Speaker 1 (00:00.302)Welcome to the Feel Good Podcast, which is all about heart led living and wellness. When we awaken the power of our hearts and let that guide us through our daily choices and decisions, through our four cornerstones, food, body, emotional well being and spiritual growth, we will experience the most incredible results and create more vitality, health, strength, peace. abundance and love in our lives. I am your host, Kimberly Snyder, New York Times bestselling author, founder of Saluna, creator of the research-based Heart Aligned Meditation, wellness expert, nutritionist and international speaker. I am passionate about supporting you on your unique heart and wellness journey. Let’s get started. Speaker 1 (00:57.518)Hi everyone, welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited for our very special guest. Joining us here today, Henry Abbott, who is a former ESPN journalist, a physical movement expert, and he has a new bestselling book out called Ballistic, the New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance. He talks about research on pain, psychology, biomechanics, and neuroplasticity. And as we all know, this is such an important topic today to increasing our mobility, keeping our mobility going for decades to come, to really enjoying our lives, to living with our hearts, to living with passion, to avoiding injuries and aches and pains, which really detract so much from our enjoyment of life, our spiritual growth, so many things. So Henry, thank you so much for being here with us today. It’s a delight. Thank you for having me. And so you and I were chatting a little bit before about your daughter, who I know is involved in soccer, and I was saying, Henry, I love your book. Really cool cover, by the way. If any of you guys are watching this on YouTube or if you’re listening, check out our YouTube so you can see the beautiful cover. And I said, you know, at first, you you say, oh, athletic performance. And some could say, hey, well, I’m not really an athlete. So this doesn’t apply to me. But as I got into the research and the book, and there’s some really interesting things that you’ll talk about here about glutes, really helping with back pain, hips, like lots of things. I said, you know, this is such an important topic for women and everyday women like me and moms. So that’s, you know, it just, it’s a lot broader. It’s really for everyone actually, we could say. Speaker 2 (02:41.718)I know this sounds like super salesy and woo woo or whatever, this really is like these people that we’ll talk about have a different lens for looking at the human body. They’re looking at it with biomechanical, granular biomechanical movement data. Who cares? Why is that fun? like, if you look this way, you start unlocking all kinds of crazy stuff about how to manage your body a little better. You kind of end up with a better owner’s manual to your own body. and get to age better. I’m trying to do it myself right now, right? So I feel like we have MRIs, we have x-rays, they solve a bunch of problems, but they don’t solve all the problems. And a lot of us are struggling with things that we can see in how we move. And that’s kind of, I think, important revelation for all of us moving forward. Well, one of the things we talk about here so much, Henry, in the community is connection, right? Connection to your heart, connection to your intuition, connection to what foods would best serve you and so on. And I think a lot of us develop movement patterns that maybe we’re not really connected to or fully aware of that form from an early age or some sort of emotional trauma or something can. cause our feet to turn out, or I know I can dump a lot in my hips, or I lean on one side, and I noticed a lot, you know, I held my babies on one side of my body. And so I think it’s really important to bring that connection back to movement because we’re in this physical bodily temple to house us through. And if we’re abusing it in these microwaves or not really nourishing proper movement, it does have a profound effect on our life’s experience. It’s super real and your doctor doesn’t know about this, unless you have a really good doctor, right? But like they, there’s a kind of a dumb example in the book of the guy who’s the founder of P3 that the book is about. His name is Marcus Elliott. was suspecting there was a better way to prevent injury while he was training to become an elite triathlete. And he would reach his hand forward in the pool and, you know, end up with pain in his shoulder. And then his coach was like, just move your hand a little bit out to the side, right? Speaker 2 (04:52.34)and all the pain went away. We all understand this could happen, right? Of course how you move can have these effects, right? But he was like, well, look at that. That’s kind of like he was going to have an injury and then he moved a little differently and then he was fine. I think so that’s one little super basic example. We all are doing this to ourselves. I think we’re open to the idea that maybe if you jog the way that you land on the ground or the way that you know, there’s People debate should you land on your heels or on the ball of your foot or on your toes or should you get these shoes or those shoes. Like we’re used to the idea that these things could, with all those steps, pounding again and again, end up with like maybe your knees hurt or maybe your hips hurt, right? And so I think we’re used to the idea that how you move can inform whether or not you get injured. These are the people who are just taking that and really making a scientific approach out of it, making a systematic scientific study of like what kinds of movements tend to connect to what kinds of outcomes. You know, it’s interesting in the beginning of the book, you say, know, trainers say that we often go back to the type of movement that we did in high school or earlier. And it’s funny because I played soccer, you know, when I was younger and then I stopped. And now my older son is nine and we play a lot of soccer and I’m experiencing some those knee pains. I’m oh, don’t run like this anymore. It’s sort of taking me back to that period in time. And I just stopped Henry, right? Instead of trying to figure out like maybe I’m not really running correctly or, I did some marathons too. And I don’t know. It was just interesting because it’s like, huh, I don’t know if this is the pounding or my son’s place a little rough, it’s, you know, it’s funny. He’s a rough nine year old, that’s what’s happening. Speaker 1 (06:33.422)He’s a rough nine-year-old. We have a lawn and we love to, know, anyways, sort of rough house. But I think it’s amazing when we can sort of say, like you said, I think what’s interesting is micro shifts. You know, people are experiencing towards injury, but so many aches and pains. As you know, Henry, it’s really common back pain. For me, a lot of women, hip pain. And so how do we sort of take this research and some of the things you talk about in the book and apply it to, again, the everyday movement and our workouts so we can benefit? Yeah, so I think there’s so much to unpack there. One for me is just thinking about the goal. And after spending three years marinating in all of this super geeky stuff about, you know, hips and knees and ankles and how we move and all this stuff, you know, I think it was important for me to kind of think about what is the real goal of all this. to me, my personal answer is like two dogs playing on the beach, like off leash dogs just romping around. maybe they’re in the ocean, maybe they aren’t, they’re covered in sand, they’re throwing each other down, but they’re having the time of their lives, right? And that’s movement, right? That’s really moving, right? And so to me, moving with joy, I’m not a dog, but to me, that kind of fun, driving that amount of fun from how you move is to me the goal. And so I’ve done a lot of physical therapy in my life. I’ve done a bunch of, injured myself a bunch of different ways. And I know that sometimes you have to go, or this place from writing about P3, know, NBA players, NFL players, MLB players, WNBA players, they’re in there doing their prescribed workouts with coaches watching carefully and it’s work, it’s real work. But that’s not the goal, right? The goal is for you to play soccer with your son, hopefully to be feeling great doing that, right? Like the goal is to have this body just move how you want it to move. And so what’s keeping us from that? Speaker 2 (08:36.662)And it’s tricky. We all have different bodies and there’s not going to be one answer for all of us. But some big themes do emerge from all of the thousands of athletes that they’ve studied. And one of the big ones is that basically every single one of us needs to work on our hips. Yes. In different ways. your hips, women tend to be more mobile than men, but plenty of women are not mobile enough. And so either your hips need work on mobility or stability. when mobility is not exactly the same as yoga, but you could think of it as a yoga type move or stability would be more weightlifting. You need to put muscles around your hips to keep them from being dangerously unstable. It’s to know which one of those you’re in. Yes. when you say that, obviously men, everybody has a different body, but in general, can say women’s hips, you know, kind of go out and they don’t align with your waist and they don’t drop straight down to your knees. So how does that affect injuries for women, whether we’re talking about stabilizing or mobility versus a man’s body, which is more linear. There’s all kinds of, like we’re hundreds of years into kind of guessing around that issue, right? And one of the big topics is ACL tears, right? This is where women athletes tend to have eight times the ACL tear rate of men. So why is that? It’s like a big mystery, right? And if you want that, you can go and watch like the finest experts in the land have given lectures on this and like they’re all like one theory is hormones. One theory is exactly as you described, like the just the geometry, right? There’s theories about how big is the actual ligament, right? Women tend to have a smaller ligament or how big is the canal the ligament sits in and on and on. All these things that are easy to study with MRI and x-ray or blood tests, they’ve been studied. if you go and look at these lectures, the answer is everything is wrong. Every single theory has a study that proves it and one that disproves it. It’s all messy. Speaker 2 (10:45.454)It’s hard to find a bright thing. So when you just look at movement, you see that there is like 100 % of NBA players who tour the ACL land on the outside of their foot and then roll to the inside. It’s a little movement that no one studies that is 100 % or like another very common thing. Big theory that’s gone around and probably we all have trainers who will cite this, right, is about cue angles. Do you know about cue angles? Have you heard this phrase before? Okay, so this is exactly what you’re describing with like if your hips are wider, there’s a chance for your legs to like your knees to basically have a can travel in towards each other as you squat. Yeah, it’s like they call it valgus collapse. Please explain. Speaker 1 (11:34.177)I Speaker 2 (11:37.964)Right? And so if you were to squat in front of a trainer and your knees were to dive in together, they would like have a cow. They would be very upset about this. Right? So this Q angle thing is seen as like a major risk factor for catastrophic knee injury. what they found in a bazillion, studying thousands, literally thousands of athletes and how they move at P3 is that just having your knees dive in like that is not a giant risk factor. Instead, Some of those cases where you need to dive in, have something happening that’s very hard to see with the naked eye, which is your femur, your upper leg bone, is rotating. And it ends up being kind of like twisting the drumstick off the turkey. And it like, that tears your ACL, is your upper leg bone rotating. And so when I talked about needing hip stability, this is what we’re talking about, is like, you can literally lift weights to build the muscles to hold your femur in place so it doesn’t rotate. That’s like the kind of work we should all be doing, but that so far most of us don’t even know to think about. you Healthy fats are essential for our health and wellbeing. And I’m so excited to share with you a very exciting scientific breakthrough to support our long-term health, wellness, and beauty. C15. This is the first essential fatty acid to be discovered in 90 years. Studies have confirmed that C15 is three times better, broader, and safer than taking omega-3s. 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And one of the easiest and most effective steps that we can do on a regular basis is to create optimal hydration in our body. It’s really the difference between a grape and a raisin. Of course, the grape is beautiful and looks supple and is full of water. And that’s what we want our energy to feel like. That’s what we want our skin to look like, glowy and supple and just full of that beautiful hydration. So it comes down to water, of course. That’s quite obvious. But also electrolytes, right? Electrolytes are a really important part of hydration and we need to replace them regularly. And I’ve been talking about certain foods for years, like celery and chard and certain foods, which are really great to help with electrolyte levels. But in our modern busy days, and because we’re running around and we’re sweating and there’s stress, I also recommend adding a packet of electrolyte to your room temperature water every day as I do. And the reason for this is that in one packet, you’ll get a hefty dose of science-backed electrolytes. Speaker 1 (15:38.894)including sodium, potassium, and magnesium. It has no added sugars or filler. And it’s just a great way to ensure that you’re really staying hydrated. And this is one of the easiest, I find, and most effective wellness steps because hydration is fundamental to our organs functioning at their best and also to enhance detoxification and many other things. So right now, Element is offering our amazing feel-good community. free sample pack with any element drink mix that’s drink element comm slash feel good D R I N K LM NT comm slash feel good to get your eight single serving packets for free once again drink element comm slash feel good Speaker 1 (16:36.012)the diagrams in the book as well. The visual because unless we’re, you know, a trainer or we studied a lot, it’s like it can be hard to visualize on a level with these detailed bones and the muscles. Yeah, no, this guy, John Early did these illustrations and they were like, they’re hard to do because they have to be like medically accurate, but also hopefully kind of like fun to look at. Right. This one is I think maybe important. I don’t know if you’re if you’re watching. Yes. OK. So when I mentioned that everybody’s hips need help with mobility or stability, you can do a little test. Right. If you can side plank all 10 toes pointing forward with your leg elevated, your body like in a big X. If you can hold that for 30 seconds, just lock it out, then they would say that your hip stability is sufficient, right? Like your hips are stable enough. Similarly, if you can do this standing figure four, so you’re like, take your, let’s say your right ankle and hook it over your left knee, rest it on top of your left knee, and then sit down and get so that like your hips are are level with your knees. If you can sit down like that, then your hips are mobile enough. But If you’re like me, then you can’t do either of those things and you have to work on it. Right? So we all got to work on these things. Yeah, it’s cool. These are both yoga poses or asanas that can be incorporated in a routine. This is a version of an ukta asana. Yeah, and that’s, I love that. That’s really interesting, seeing the diagrams, because I’m like, hey, I’ve done these movements before. I never thought about them in terms of this language, but they’re kind of fun to do. Speaker 2 (18:21.688)Do think you can lock out that side plank like that for 30 seconds? Gosh, Henry, it’s, you I used to have such a serious asana practice. It was every day, hour and a half. And then I started shifting to walking for different reasons, to getting outside. It’s just a break in the middle of my day. And it’s really hilly where I live. I live in the mountains, so it’s like quite a tough walk. But, you know, my husband keeps saying, you know, got to do more upper body lifting, you know, for bone health. And I got some weights. And so I’m… thinking about shifting the routine. So I’ll report back to you because I don’t know. Honestly, I used to do it a lot and definitely hold it for that long, but it’s been some years. So it’ll be interesting to see what I try. I’d be interested to know. It’s hard. I mean, it’s hard. My wife is amazing at that kind of stuff. She can do it. She can do all that stuff. she’s very, she can go to any yoga class and just fall right into whatever the teacher is doing and just fine with it. But me, I don’t have that kind of, that’s not my forte. Well, know, injuries even within yoga in the last few years of my practice, I noticed when you’re doing the warrior poses, because people think, yoga is great for injuries and it doesn’t have slow impact. But I would experience towards the end hip pain from doing the warriors. And again, I don’t know if that’s dumping into my hip or not having enough hip stability, but I did experience some pain from the asanas. What do you think about that? Speaker 2 (19:54.54)Yeah, that brings up an interesting point. I grew up, my family, have, parents and sister, we have really tight hamstrings. And so to me, anyone with hip mobility is like a magician. And clearly you’re better off, clearly you’re better injury resistance, et cetera. So I’m always working on trying to get more hip mobility. And so I’ve been to a bunch of yoga classes and I always think the teacher is probably someone who’s just in a better category than me in terms of injury risk, right? But Marcus Elliott, who this book is largely about, he was explaining that when his first yoga teacher in Santa Barbara, where he lives, she had the most incredibly mobile hips and she would show off. She could do all these crazy yoga moves that no one else could do. But she had both hips replaced in her early 50s. he would explain the reason why is because she didn’t have hip stability. Right? Like she worked crazy on hip mobility, he’s like, but if she had just done basic weightlifting to just, you know, she could move that hip super mobile, but like she didn’t have the control of it to keep it from getting out of place. And for things like our femur rotating other lots of other things from hips ability, like she didn’t have very stable hips and you want both. What kind of weightlifting would you do to stabilize your hips? There’s a fair amount of that kind of stuff in the book. I think there’s different flavors of hip instability, but they do recommend basically for everyone really good form as you squat and do hinging motions. I follow their routines now and I spend a lot of time doing single leg RDLs. There’s also in the book, most of what they prescribe is individual to the athlete. Speaker 2 (21:44.28)The warm up is the same. There’s a 13 step warm up, includes a fair amount. Your hips will be like, the hips will notice the warm up. I don’t know, it takes 15 minutes maybe depending how careful you do it. But there’s a ton of like Romanian dead lifts. You know this move, the Romanian dead lift? It’s like the most basic form is you stand on one leg and then you keep your torso and the other leg in a line as you like. pitch forward and touch the floor in front of you. You’ve done something like this, I’m sure, a bazillion times. And you can do that with a weight, starting with a lightweight, et cetera. But that’s a hinging motion, right? Which will put a pretty good bunch of tension on the back of your hip. I’ll tell you, for me, they obsess about the form of how you do that. And I would tend to do it leaning a little too far forward, which means I wasn’t using the proper muscles in my hip. they have to have me like… Yes. Speaker 2 (22:42.018)I mean now I still as a little cue like when I get in the form for that I like try to really like shift back a little bit so that when I bend over and come back up I’m pulling on like the very back of my glute as opposed to recruiting other muscles from your hips to kind of cheat. Right. You know, this is so, it’s so interesting we’re talking about this, Henry, because I can say, you for me, I really like walking in nature and it feels good or doing my yoga poses sort of like that teacher you described where I could put both of my feet behind my head and do these crazy poses. But sometimes it’s like what we need is not, not to say our favorite thing or the other thing that we’re most drawn to, but it is the balance. And Dr. Suhas was an Ayurvedic teacher and doctor came on here and he was talking about how, he talks about in different contexts, weightlifting is really important to women for that cough of that groundedness to balance. we’re in our heads and Vata energy and it actually makes you feel strong so you can feel strong on the decisions you make in your life. And, know, in terms of what you’re talking about preventing injury and just feeling really stable. So maybe it’s, you if you’re like me and you’re like, well, I don’t know, like I never, I never go to these like weight, I don’t go to the gym and I don’t really lift, you know, I’m not drawn to weightlifting classes or whatever. But what you’re talking about the book is things that we can incorporate and you can make a huge difference in balance. Because if we’re just doing the things that we like, can, that’s, that’s probably why I started to feel some injuries from yoga because I wasn’t doing the stabilizing aspect. Yeah, that’s definitely a factor. I think they do. There aren’t a lot of things they recommend for everybody at this place, but like they do recommend there’s some kind of weights in everybody’s program, right? Like it’s just, it’s just maybe there are ways around it, but I think it’s, it’s, you know, your husband’s probably right, which I hate to say, you know what I mean? There’s all these studies and stuff, you know, like, Speaker 1 (24:40.226)Right? But then it’s like, again, you’re talking about patterns. It’s making space in our life and creating a new habit. It’s also I mean, I never thought I’d be a weightlifter. I was a runner and just like never had any interest in that. And then I started having like hip trouble basically. And and a friend of mine, she is a kinesiologist who runs a gym. And so I started going to her gym and it’s I don’t know, it’s 75 % women and like, which matters to me because like, it’s fun as hell to go there because everyone’s very supportive, right? Like, like, it’s just not it is not the like, it is technically a CrossFit gym. But I don’t know, they got that certification for whatever reason. the fact is, no

Summary: In the September Solluna Power Hour, Kimberly Snyder discusses the essential rhythms and rituals needed to feel grounded, clear, and energized as we transition from summer to fall. She emphasizes the importance of maintaining balance through food, body care, emotional well-being, and spiritual growth. The conversation highlights the significance of daily practices, nourishing foods, and emotional processing to enhance overall well-being and resilience during this seasonal shift. Episode Sponsors MOMENTOUS: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription. That’s code KIMBERLY at livemomentous.com for 35% off your first subscription. USE LINK: livemomentous.com Code: KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription. GLOWING GREENS POWDER OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use the CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. USE LINK: mysolluna.com CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order.   Episode Chapters Chapters 00:00 Transitioning into Fall: Grounding and Clarity 10:14 The Importance of Rhythms and Rituals 20:26 Nourishing the Body: Food Cornerstone 26:04 Body Care: Rituals for Well-Being 34:04 Emotional Well-Being: Processing Feelings 42:14 Spiritual Growth: Cultivating Stillness and Gratitude   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! 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Can you relate that these three words grounded, clear, and energized are really important, especially right now. There’s always a shift between seasons and between months, as we know, but there’s a really big shift in particular from summer into fall. And I’ll share that personally, I just, we just got back a few days ago from Hawaii and there’s a very different. rhythm that we have on the island. There’s a lot of physical labor and farm work and expansiveness and just running through the woods and freedom. And now there is a reality into coming back to LA and there’s still a lot of road work in our area from the fires and our kids’ school burned. I mentioned here to our beloved community a few months ago and now there’s a new campus, there’s a longer drive, there’s just many things. And so I’m really feeling the call, maybe along with you, to ground in to have these really sacred rhythms and routines and rituals which really do help us stay healthy and they help to regulate our bodily systems such as digestion and immunity. And they regulate our mind and they regulate our emotions and they allow us to stay connected to our hearts even as things in the external world around us become more full, can we say, and there’s just a bit more going on or a lot more going on. And what I’ve been doing is I’ve gotten back the last few days is really we will talk about this when we get to some of the later quarterstones. We’ll talk about this in emotional and spiritual. Is this idea of surrendering the resistance to our preferences more and more? Maybe I don’t want to be driving so much or why does it have to be so busy right now? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:20.418)you know, why can’t it still be summer? And starting to sink into this deeper place of connection and resilience inside of us, in our hearts, in the center of our being, so that even as we glide around the world and maybe things aren’t our preference, we can find a deep sense of well-being and root into our own energy and our own true self connection. So we’re going to be covering all of this today through the lens, of course, of our Four Cornerstones, our power hour show, has a theme. And then we’re still gonna cover food, body, emotional well-being, and spiritual growth during this show, which is at the top of each month, to give you the best tips and tools to really utilize throughout the month. So I’ll say right here, right now, if there’s anyone that you think would benefit from this show, please forward it to them. We really wanna share this information and to get it out in the world. We also really appreciate reviews. If you could just take a moment to write us a review on Spotify or Apple, wherever you listen to our podcast. It’s such a wonderful way to support the mission of the podcast, of our feel good community, which is to support others. And that has been the mission, by the way, since I started my free Kimberly Snyder.net blog many years ago now and wrote my first book, The Beauty Detox Solution. And I really want to stay rooted in that mission. And I think our community attracts like-minded souls that really do want to spread love and support for others. So sharing the show, whether it’s a screenshot or a link to a direct episode, is such a wonderful way to support. Okay, let’s get right into our… and another quick thing I want to mention is you can also join our newsletter at mysaloona.com to stay more connected to the community as well. So what does it mean to feel more grounded and clear and energized? I really love this word grounded. And what it means to me is that we are complex beings. have so many different layers of our being. We have the emotional body, the soul or the Atman or the spiritual body. We have the mental part of us. We have the physicality. And when we’re grounded, it means that every part of us Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:43.118)centered and synergized and we feel very much present where we are. We’re having an embodied experience and so what that means is that in this particular lifetime in this dimension, depending on what you believe in, we’re here in a there’s a you know a physicality to the realm that we’re in and so when we’re grounded it means that we are connected to all layers of our being, included very much our bodies. And we can be really connected to the present moment, which means we’re looking into the person’s eyes that we’re talking to, whether it’s our child or the teacher at our child’s school or a coworker or someone that you’re chatting to on a Zoom for work or whatever it is. Instead of not really being in conversations or not really being where your body happens to be, you know, those experiences where you’re sort of, you know… how did I just go shopping at the grocery store and I’m walking out with my bags? I don’t even remember being there, right? That’s when we’re disassociated from the body and we feel so hurried or life is so fast paced that we start to miss the magic of the moments and things start to get faster and faster, which creates a sense of incoherence, which means our nervous systems start to go into overdrive. We start to feel more tension perhaps in our bodies. And this disables our ability to be in flow and efficiency and energy efficiency. So what happens as this cascade of all different sorts of biochemical processes starts to get a little bit off kilter is that we end up aging more quickly and we end up feeling more depleted in our energy. So this sense of groundedness is a very important theme as we go into fall. because one of the things that ancient wisdom teaches us through Aryaveda in particular is this is the season of Vata. So Pitta is what we’re coming from through August and the summer, which is a lot of fire element. The sun is very strong. And now we’re moving into more of the wind, air, energy. And when it’s not balanced, what happens, the potential is there for anxiety, for confusion. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:00.216)for feeling excess stress, for our digestion getting thrown off, for our immunity getting thrown off. So we want to eat in a way and live in a way that really grounds our energy through this very important transition. So the important of rhythms and rituals is that, again, there’s so much fullness in our schedule and we don’t control the traffic and we don’t control so many after school events coming on. And right now I’m trying to just figure out with my boys. you know, the swim class overlapping with the chess classes. So, you know, one has to sit at one event and then I drive to the next and the other one has to read or sit during the other event. And there’s just a lot of scheduling. If you can relate to that, whether you’re a mom or you just have a lot going on in your plate, getting together with friends, different work projects, you know, lots of, things that are calling us and calling for our attention. So let’s, let’s start to. talk about our first cornerstone now because when we have these rhythms and rituals it helps to ground us so that we don’t get swept up in the vata in the air and also I want to mention from another ancient wisdom system traditional Chinese medicine that fall is associated with the metal element and the lungs so again back to that air coming in through the lungs, there’s a focus in this area, and we need to create inner strength in order to feel that balance and carry us through the fall. It’s interesting because lungs also govern the heart chakra and all energies related to the heart, this whole area right here. And so as we move into more fullness, I don’t really like to say the word busyness because busy can imply just getting things. done off a to-do list versus just there’s fullness that requires our presence and our energy and our love, right? So we can lean, it’s an opportunity to lean more into our inner connection and to strengthen our heart coherence and the power of our heart and allowing that to keep us rooted in our bodies, right? Rooted into making decisions that are really the best decisions for us and having these sacred Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:18.516)rituals through the day, these touch points to bring us back if we start to go up into our head too much or we start to believe some of the incoherent thoughts or we just start to get overwhelmed by how much there is going on. We want the rhythms and the rituals to keep pulling us back, pulling us back. And this is part of Dinacharya, the Ayurvedic daily rhythm, which I’ve also spoken about quite a bit on the podcast. which is this idea that as we regulate these simple daily practices and we consistently follow them, in turn we become more regulated in our nervous system, in our coherence, our heart-brain nervous system connection, in our overall bodily efficiency, in our overall bodily well-being, and we start to feel more flow as we glide through a very full day. And there’s just a deeper sense of peace and we can be really engaged, but also a bit from the inside, less caught up in the ups and downs and feeling so reactive about things that don’t go according to our expectations. I was in a really beautiful, I was at a baby shower over the weekend and one of the women was talking about her perspective of how important it was to dance in the gap. between how you expect things to go and how life is really showing up. And I love that, you know, that symbology, this idea of dancing between that and finding a way to meld and flow with life. And when we feel more grounded in our bodies through the Four Cornerstones, I think it’s easier to have more of that lightness and to be able to dance with whatever life is doling out to us versus feeling really frustrated and easily triggered and worn down, which is What can happen when we don’t have our rituals to carry us through? So from a food perspective, let’s jump into our first cornerstone now. Remember that how you eat has a profound effect on these different layers of your being. And this is what ancient wisdom has always talked about. It’s not this reductionist approach to food, but really seeing that how we eat affects us emotionally, mentally, physically, and even spiritually. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:42.284)So our bodies during the fall are in September are craving a sense of steadiness. And there’s a very different feeling in your body when you start to feel full, satiated from having, let’s say a hot bowl of soup, something very grounding, feeling very comforting versus just reaching for a bag of, you know, a processed snack, even if it’s You know, the numbers add up, let’s just say like a processed protein bar, this cold processed item just going into your body. There’s a very different energetic quality to it. And I’m not saying we have to be perfect all the time and there’s times where you’re traveling or you’re in a bind and that protein bar may be the best option, but more and more we want to develop rhythms of creating stability in the body. I also want to mention that my friend this month, Dan Buettner, who is the founder of the Blue Zones. We’re actually doing a, depending when you listen to this, you check my socials at underscore Kimberly Snyder. We’ll be doing a live together to talk about his new Blue Zones book, which is all about one pot meals. So I’m really excited about that because we have to find and utilize really easy ways to eat in a way that feels really grounding, which stabilization means healthy fats. It means lots of fiber, lots of nutrients, and as natural and whole as possible. We also have some fantastic recipes, which are on our website, mysaluna.com. And one of my intentions for the fall is to get more organized with meal planning for the family because it is getting so full so that I will focus on what we’re eating for dinner. And of course, packing all the school lunches and have a general plan for at least Monday through Friday and get organized. So I myself have been looking back at our vast storehouse of recipes. And there’s ones that I, you know, created years ago. I kind of forgot about that and bringing it back in. On my Instagram, I recently posted about our gorilla wraps, which are these amazing walnut tacos, basically. And it was a recipe that I got away from. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:04.702)and I brought it back in and it just felt so grounding and great to have the healthy fats from the walnuts and all those beautiful oils and the collard greens. So we definitely want to have that stabilizing food. And I mentioned hot soups because one of the things that happens in the vata season is that there’s a coolness. When you think about wind blowing through, it’s very welcome in the summer when it’s 100 degrees outside and we want a nice cool breeze. But as the wind starts to pick up, it can start to bring a chill into the bones, into the body, into the throat. And so sipping on warm elixirs and having more warm foods, particularly for lunch and dinner, becomes a very important ritual and routine. So I’ll be planning lots of one pot meals. I’ll be going back to dahl, which is, you know, a wonderful recipe that we also offer on the website. And so, It’s, and also if you go to our podcast tab, just for being a member of a beloved member of our community, you can also get a free download, which we’ve created recently, which has all different, recipes for you. the doll version is one of them. So it’s, I believe, or you could email love at mysaloon.com and ask about the, download. So we still want to have. raw nutrients. So I do start the day with a nice warm hot water with ginger and lemon, particularly a hot water with lemon. And then I like to drink my smoothies room temperature, including the Glowing Green smoothie. I’ve never been a icy smoothie person. And I know some people love iced coffee and my kids love coconut ice cream and cold smoothies, but I just I’ve gotten used to over the years really having things closer to room temperature. So if that works for you to have your beautiful glowing green smoothie, hopefully with a glowing greens powder added in, that’s wonderful, or at least a little bit less cool and moving towards that as we start to go into fall and also winter. Another great rhythm and routine. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:23.68)is to bring in more grounding root vegetables right now, which naturally start to become more seasonal. And I’m talking about certain squashes and also things grown into the earth, beets and carrots and so on and so forth, which are really great for your digestion. And they bring in that kaffa quality, which means earthness, earthiness, and they’re literally grown in the earth. And besides grounding root vegetables, another great rhythm and routine to get back into or into is almonds and almond milk and nuts. So I’ve been posting about almond milk lately because I’ve gotten back into it and I feel so much vitality from making my own almond milk to get that essential o-just, that incredible vitality enhancing the essence of the almonds. And so it feels really grounding to my body. make almond milk maybe every other day or every two days or so. And it’s, know, when you think about nuts and the property of nuts, there is a stabilizing quality to them. So I just want to point out a bit of research from this one is from the journal BMC microbiology from 2020 and it found significant seasonal variability in gut microbiota. So what this means is that as we essentially what it means, and you can read the study if you would like to, we will link to it in the show notes at mysaluna.com. And I’ve read other similar studies with similar results is that as we adjust to seasonal foods and we shift our diet, just like we shift our clothes between season to season, we will see a greater strengthening and resilience in our microbiota, which is really important. for feeling grounded, our gut health is so important as we talk about quite a bit here. And so it’s important to again, reaching for seasonal veggies and shifting our diet. And this is the moment again, besides the seasonal root veggies and a bit more heaviness to also have warmer foods to start bringing that in. And I know for some of us here in LA, September can still be quite hot. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:38.51)but starting to bring it in because it will start to increase as the season continues. There was another great review in 2025 in the International Ayurvedic Medical Journal showing how Agni, which I love this word, or digestive fire, naturally fluctuates as the environment changes around us. And Ritucharya is the Ayurvedic principle of living in tune with seasonal shifts. And we want to emphasize supporting our digestion right now with warm, grounding foods. So there’s something really beautiful about attuning to the environment around us instead of just plowing forward and not really considering that, which I know you can maybe think of some people that eat the same way completely all year round or start to follow a diet or something they see and they don’t really take into account seasonal foods or how their body’s really feeling in a particular environment or what needs to shift. I know that years ago when I lived in New York and I was following a raw food diet for a couple years, and I really wanted to follow this diet and it worked really well for me for a while, but I remember being so cold at times in New York City and just really wanting a hot vegetable soup. Be no, no, no, I can’t because it has to be raw. And these rigid rules don’t always serve us. Maybe sometimes we want to shift over or clear something in the body or heal our gut or candida or whatever it is. And so we have to be a little bit more regimented. But I really do believe part of listening to our bodies is listening to our hearts intuition about what our body needs. So over time it very well may shift how we eat, particularly around your menstrual cycle, around seasons, like we’re talking about here. And I do think it’s important to have those natural fluctuations. And finally, a 2019 publication in Frontiers and Immunology from 2019 found that greater daily dietary diversity is linked to a more stable, resilient gut microbiome composition. So for again, we listen to the autumn root vegetables, which actually actively support our digestive health. A podcast that I did some months ago, maybe a year or so ago with Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:01.484)Dr. B, who was a plant-based gastroenterologist, we discussed how in an ideal world, he said we should have 30 to 35 different vegetables in a week, which is creating that real diversity. And maybe that sounds like a lot, but if you think about the vegetables that are in the Glowing Green Smoothie, for example, if you put romaine and spinach and parsley and cilantro, it starts to add up. And maybe 30 is just seems completely out of the ballpark right now. But, you know, if you’re just, if you notice you’re only having, you know, three, five, six, seven, you can start to work to stretch towards, let’s say 11, 12, and then maybe 15 and start to see ways in which you can create more of that diversity, which will make your gut very happy and your body very resilient. So just start to notice. If you’re feeling anxious, you’re feeling spacey, if you’re feeling, you’re just craving so much sugar, you’re feeling bloated in your body, you’re feeling like there’s just an irregularity to any of your bodily systems, but especially digestion. And now that your body’s calling for these sacred rhythms and rituals to feel more grounded. So just to review for some of the top tips is to start and end the day with warm elixirs. It’s very easy to make some of these elixirs. Again, you can go to our website, mysaluna.com to get some recipes, but even simple hot water with lemon in the morning and hot water with ginger sliced in it in the evening is a really great place to start. And then leaning into seasonal grounding foods such as the root vegetables, such as the nuts. warmer dishes, particularly for lunch and dinner. You could have something like a salad and a lentil veggie soup with quinoa or rice. This is something that we eat a lot as a family. Dinner last night was a kale salad. I’m really happy to say that both my kids are really into kale right now. Again, who knows how things shift and change, but both my kids really love the Dharma’s kale salad. And then I made a soup with lentils and all the veggies that we had in the house. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (23:17.132)broccoli and carrots and spinach. I made a soup and then rice and that was our dinner and it was really easy, relatively easy to make and felt really grounding. It’s also important to avoid stimulating foods. So this is not a great time. I mean, it’s never really a great time, but particularly now to have excess caffeine to overload your body with processed foods or sugary foods. We want to keep that groundedness with the wholeness that can come from foods. And we want to bring a rhythm to meal times. So as much as possible, if you can eat around the same time every day, if you can say grace or a gratitude practice to create a ritual to sitting down, hopefully without devices or screens in a hopefully non-rushed way, and to enjoy the time that you’re eating and time with your family, that would be really beautiful. I would also encourage you in particular to go back to the fiber-filled glowing green smoothie if you got away from it and to check the recipe on my site if you’ve never tried it and to add the glowing greens powder into it. There is a lot of powerful greens in this whole combination and ones that you wouldn’t have fresh in the glowing greens powder such as Amalaki, Ashitaba, Moringa. I’m actually starting this week going into double doses. of the glowing greens powder, so two scoops instead of one, which I do sometimes when I feel the call to ground, but also cleanse at the same time. There’s a relationship between cleansing out heavy metals and wastes and then re-revifying, just nourishing yourself with very deep, nutrient-tense plants, which is what is in the glowing greens powder. So I just… I’m feeling like I need that right now as I move from summer to fall. So I’ll be having two scoops a day of the Glowing Greens powder, which will help again cleanse the heavy metals and the toxins, but also really nourish. And you’ll start to see even more of a glow to your skin. You’ll see an even more bounce to your hair, your hair’s growth, just across every cell of your being. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (25:39.128)And if you’re also feeling like the need to support greater digestion, mean, you know, you’re getting, there’s more bloating and we want to absorb more nutrients, I highly recommend adding in the digestive enzymes as an important way to absorb more nutrition from your food. You take them right before you eat. And then also, which has been really important, I’ve been taking it more often in the fall because my vata can definitely get imbalanced. is detoxi. And that one you take in the evening, it’s magnesium and oxygen and stable vitamin C. And it helps you have larger bowel movements without being a laxative and without being habit forming. So let’s move on to our next cornerstone, is body. Your sacred, unique, amazing body needs to be cared for, especially in the season. Why? Because Vata and winds and, you know, more full schedules and lots going on tends to drive the energy up, up into the mind, up into our, you know, We’re in our heads where anxiety can start to manifest and excess worry and excess fears and

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Estelle Bingham Summary: In this conversation, Kimberly and Brittany Piper delve into the profound impact of trauma on the nervous system and the importance of somatic healing. Brittany shares insights from her new book, ‘Body First Healing,’ discussing how trauma is stored in the body and how somatic work can help individuals reconnect with their bodies to facilitate healing. They explore the concept of intergenerational trauma, the natural responses to trauma observed in animals, and the significance of body awareness in the healing process. Brittany also shares her personal journey of overcoming trauma and the tools that can aid in navigating trauma responses, emphasizing the importance of building resilience and capacity for emotions. The conversation concludes with a message of empowerment, encouraging individuals to trust their bodies and recognize their innate ability to heal. About Britt Piper Brittany Piper is a renowned speaker, author, and Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner specializing in sexual violence prevention and trauma-informed care. As a survivor and leading advocate, she has educated thousands worldwide, including the U.S. Army and Department of Justice. Her book, Body-First Healing: A Revolutionary Guide to Nervous System Recovery, offers a groundbreaking approach to nervous system regulation and recovery through harnessing the wisdom of the body. Guest Resources: Website: https://www.bodyfirsthealing.com/about Book: Body-First Healing: A Revolutionary Guide to Nervous System Recovery Episode Sponsors:   LMNT OFFER: Right now, for my listeners LMNT is offering a free sample pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD. That’s 8 single serving packets FREE with any LMNT any LMNT drink mix purchase. This deal is only available through my link so. 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USE LINK: fatty15.com/KIMBERLY   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Somatic Healing and Trauma02:59 Understanding Trauma and the Nervous System06:07 The Role of Body Memory in Healing08:56 Intergenerational Trauma and Its Impact11:57 Lessons from Animal Behavior on Trauma Recovery14:50 Cultural Disconnection from Somatic Practices17:52 Personal Stories of Healing and Resilience21:05 Justice and Advocacy for Survivors of Trauma24:31 The Journey Through Trauma and Justice28:49 Understanding the Body’s Response to Trauma33:51 Navigating Anger and Emotional Regulation39:32 Empowerment Through Somatic Healing46:41 The Path to Self-Healing   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Kimberly Snyder (00:00.718)Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited for our very special guest today and our conversation with Brittany Piper, who is a speaker and somatic and trauma trained practitioner specializing in somatic experiencing. She has a brand new book out called Body First Healing, Get Unstuck and Recover from Trauma with Somatic Healing. Brittany and I were speaking just a little bit before the podcast about how amazing it is to talk about trauma and healing on such a deep level now, which wasn’t really happening a generation earlier. So Brittany, thank you so much. Welcome to our show and congratulations on your new book all at the same time. Brittany Piper (00:43.95)Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I’m excited to have a conversation today. So I appreciate you having me here. Kimberly Snyder (00:51.118)You know, it’s very close to my heart, literally. My recent book was about the heart and dropping into this deeper place beyond the linear mind. And I found that really reflected in your book as well, this idea that things happen to us, challenging experiences happen of all different degrees, and we can’t just think our way out of it. Can you talk a little bit about how experiences can actually get stored? in our nervous system and in our body, similarly to how we might not properly digest certain foods. Brittany Piper (01:26.124)Yeah. Yeah, the, so I think that there’ve been so many different definitions surrounding trauma over the years. And I think that the one that lands best with me is that trauma is any experience that overwhelms the nervous system’s capacity to cope. And when that happens, your nervous system can get stuck in chronic states of survival. Or in other words, it gets stuck. Kimberly Snyder (01:42.381)Mm. Kimberly Snyder (01:50.062)Okay. Brittany Piper (01:54.016)in the states or the responses that it used in the past. And it’s as if somatic work, which is body-based healing work, we work with the nervous system and with the body, and more specifically body memory rather than verbal memory to help the body and the nervous system to know that the trauma is over, essentially catching up with what the mind already knows. Like the mind knows that the trauma was, you know, maybe seemingly back then, but maybe the nervous system doesn’t know that. Kimberly Snyder (02:14.473)Right. Brittany Piper (02:23.714)and it’s not a rational system. Yeah, it’s a system that operates through experience, through this felt sense. And so what we really try to do is help people in their nervous system to kind of disarm and to recognize you don’t have to be stuck in survival mode anymore. So, yeah. Kimberly Snyder (02:25.516)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (02:43.904)Survival mode is that feeling of almost, when you say that word, it conjures up frantic, irrational, big emotions, freezing, like all sorts of ways that can manifest and not feeling safe. Brittany Piper (02:59.01)Yes, yeah. Yeah, it’s kind of the best way I describe it is like an analogy I like to use is like, we’re armored up, but you can think of like this night suit of armor. It’s like we’re battled up to go or we’re armored up to go into battle. But at some point it’s like our nervous system didn’t get the memo that the battle is over. And so we kind of remain with like this armor on and this armor can start to, know, what once started off as self protective in nature. Kimberly Snyder (03:06.582)Yes. Brittany Piper (03:25.486)it can start to show up in almost the self-destructive or self-sabotaging ways, which I think is such a more compassionate way to look at it as this is self-protection, not self-sabotage. And we can kind of like lose sight of ourselves. We can disconnect from ourselves because we get so lost in this armor. Yeah, and I’m sure you experienced the same. A lot of the people that I work with, they come to me and they’re like, I just feel stuck. Kimberly Snyder (03:43.854)Right. Brittany Piper (03:52.168)And I feel like I’m not myself and I don’t know how to get out of this. And that stuckness is really what it boils down to is a nervous system that is stuck in those active defenses still. Kimberly Snyder (04:03.99)And has it been your experience that no matter what we’ve been through, we can reteach the nervous system through some of the tools that are in your book, which we’ll talk about in a moment and through this more body-based experience, because I’ve met people, and I’m sure you talk about in the book, that have been in therapy, because we’ve been talking, go to therapy, but they’ve been talking about the same story. for years and years. I’ve met people that seem to have the same narrative, victimhood, I wasn’t treated like this, and they almost still sound angry. So it’s like, are we really clearing it out by continuing to reinforce and talk about it? Brittany Piper (04:35.0)Yeah. Brittany Piper (04:39.992)Mm-hmm. Brittany Piper (04:46.54)Yeah, exactly. So I think what I can maybe like describe a little bit is what we call the stress or the threat response cycle. And so when your nervous system goes into an active state of survival, know, fight, flight, shut down, freeze, fawn or functional freeze, what happens is first, your body is kind of inundated or flooded with survival hormones, stress hormones, adrenaline and cortisol. Kimberly Snyder (04:54.231)Yes, please. Kimberly Snyder (05:13.644)Yes. Brittany Piper (05:13.74)and this helps to mobilize you to fight or flee. And so when you have an experience though that overwhelms that stress response, you can kind of think of it like a pressure cooker. All of that adrenaline and cortisol is still stuck within the body and the physiology. And so there’s no amount of talking that out of your body. You have to be able to move through that experience and express or what we call discharge all of that adrenaline and cortisol. So. You you see this, I’ll use an example of maybe abuse or, you know, something that was violent in nature where you weren’t able to fight back. You might find that you now have what we call a thwarted fight response. And so you have likely a lot of suppressed anger that’s being held down within the body and the system. And so the work actually starts with not throwing someone into the deep end of their trauma. Kimberly Snyder (05:50.765)Right. Brittany Piper (06:07.276)like we commonly do in therapy, right? That’s what we’re used to. I just wanna talk about it. I wanna get into it. Instead, we actually walk them into like the shallow end and we’re like, hey, what would it be like to think about a moment recently where you felt a little frustrated, a little angry by something and maybe it’s, yeah, someone cut me off the other day and it kind of like pissed me off. And you’re like, okay, and as you’re thinking about that, what do you notice in your body? Wow, there’s some heat here and I’m actually noticing my jaw is clenching. And so, we touch into more gentle moments of activation, which allows that, again, that pressure cooker, we just gently open the lid for a second and close it back down. And it lets out and discharges some of that adrenaline and cortisol, getting these chronic stress hormones out of the body. And we do that consistently over time. But what’s also great about that is that you’re showing the nervous system or you’re giving it evidence that, hey, you can be with an experience of anger. Kimberly Snyder (06:54.627)Mm. Brittany Piper (07:05.358)maybe like you weren’t able to do in the past and you can be okay. And so it’s this evidence that over time is like, yeah, when I do feel anger in my body, like this frustration of, don’t like the way that person talked to me. Instead of shutting it down like it automatically do, or instead of running away or avoiding conflict, my body now has this muscle memory of like, I can be with that anger and I can express it. so trauma work doesn’t necessarily mean that we have to go back into all the hard stuff. Kimberly Snyder (07:28.078)Well. Brittany Piper (07:35.692)Right? We’re working with the body memory here in the present and untethering that, like, from the past. If that makes sense, Kimberly Snyder (07:42.851)Mm. And it’s, imagine it’s different for each person. noticed in, you know, the heart work awakening, the heart or heart coherence, it’s not linear. Like, you had this much trauma, so it’s going to take this prescribed amount of time to reteach. It could be big awakenings or big realizations. Certain junctures are maybe a little bit more time to work through. that? Yeah. Brittany Piper (07:48.611)Yes. Brittany Piper (08:01.998)Mm-hmm. Brittany Piper (08:05.804)Exactly. Yeah, yeah, because every year you’re working with each individual person, their nervous system, but also the nervous systems that came before them. So like a lot of the work that we do is we work with a lot of, you know, it’s important to know like intergenerationally, what was your life like in your earliest years, because our first three years of life really lay the foundation for our nervous system. Kimberly Snyder (08:23.286)Yes. Brittany Piper (08:30.306)And so that surprises people when they get into somatic work. They’re like, well, I can’t even remember that. And it’s like, your body remembers. And yeah. And then even before that, even when you’re, exactly. Yeah. And even, you know, what were the experiences of your mother and your grandmother? So, and that’s something I, you know, deeply explored in my book with my experience was that journey of intergenerational trauma, you know, cause I’m not. Kimberly Snyder (08:32.535)Thank Kimberly Snyder (08:36.724)so much or even when you were pregnant or when your mother was pregnant with you. Brittany Piper (08:56.578)I’m not sure if people probably come to you with this of like, think I have the signs and symptoms of trauma, but like, I don’t think I’ve experienced anything. And so we explore indirect trauma, which is like, yeah, but I think there’s also like, you know, getting to the, well, trauma might not be what you think it is. I think we have these ideas of, yeah. Kimberly Snyder (09:05.058)Kimberly Snyder (09:15.982)Well, when I read the body keeps the score, it blew me away that statistic, which really stayed in my head from Bessel van der Kolk, that was 75 % of Americans experience some form of trauma. Because I think some of us hear that word and we think about accidents or a one-time incident. one of the things that, because I wouldn’t have used that word in the past, Brittany, but for me, it was learning, not being seen and heard, like different levels of neglect is actually a really big form of trauma throughout childhood, which is something that I did go through. well-intentioned parents that were busy, were hustling, they were working, but there was a lot of coping mechanisms and perfectionism and eating disorders and just constant achieving to sort of fill that unworthiness feeling. So. Brittany Piper (10:02.99)Yeah. Brittany Piper (10:09.027)Yeah. Kimberly Snyder (10:09.688)Thank you for bringing up that it is actually much more than we realize. And I love how you delve into Peter Levine’s work. We could touch on that for a moment where he researched animals to see that, you know, they don’t have trauma the same way we do and they’re like naturally shaking and trembling after something happens. Can you share a little bit about, you know, that work and how we can, what we can learn from it as humans? Brittany Piper (10:33.888)Yeah. Yeah. So I first want to touch on what you just mentioned is, you know, in hearing about your experience, it reminds me a little bit. So in the somatic experiencing world, we use the definition of trauma is that it’s anything that feels like too much, too fast, too soon, or not enough. And so like when you talk about neglect or things like that, those are things that often get overlooked. Kimberly Snyder (10:54.156)Mmm. Kimberly Snyder (11:00.993)Yeah. Brittany Piper (11:01.026)You there are such experiences that are overlooked in our culture today. And I think because they kind of fly below the radar, they sometimes can fester, you know, in our lives in much more intense ways. And so, yeah, just thank you for mentioning that. Yeah, Peter’s work was profound for me to the point where I became a somatic experiencing practitioner. So, SE is what I’m professionally trained in, but… Kimberly Snyder (11:10.647)Yes. Brittany Piper (11:28.31)Yeah, his book, Waking the Tiger, he explored how animals in the wild, they experience threat all the time. They go into these survival responses, yet they don’t remain, and I’m using air quotes, traumatized in the way that humans do. And humans, mean, we have the same primal systems, subcortical systems that animals in the wild do. In other words, our nervous systems are nearly identical to nervous systems of animals in the wild. And what he found is that animals in the wild don’t have this wonderful conscious human brain, right? And so they’re often not talking themselves out of their feelings. So animals, when they experience activation and they go into fight or flight and they have that adrenaline and cortisol, they will naturally discharge all of these, know, press hormones. And I remember in my SE training, they’re like, okay, we’re gonna watch some animal videos today. And I’m like, we’re all looking at each other like we’re watching animal videos. Kimberly Snyder (12:18.06)Wait. Brittany Piper (12:27.202)But it was fascinating to see how a gazelle would run from a cheetah, would get away, but it would go into a shutdown or a freeze response and it would faint. And then we watched this video as it would kind of seemingly come back to life and it would lay there and it would do this labored breathing and then it would start trembling and shaking. And then you see the mouth kind of salivating. And then the next thing you know, it’s standing up, shaking its body and it’s running off. Kimberly Snyder (12:55.402)All innately, it’s just in their knowing, their intuitive knowing. Brittany Piper (12:58.56)Exactly. Yes, exactly. And we have those same mechanisms and those same responses. So like, you know, as a professional speaker, I had debilitating stage fright. And for years I was like, I need to go to Toastmasters to figure out how to get over my fear. I need to do like exposure therapy. Like I got to figure this out because I would freeze on stage. Like I’d get dry mouth. I wouldn’t be able to talk. And when I learned that it was less about like calming down and like making the shakes go away, and it was more so like, how can I actually allow some of that to be here and move it through my body? Like our body naturally knows how to metabolize the charge of emotions. If we just stopped getting in our way and overriding what the body knows how to do, or… And I don’t want to say that we always consciously do that. Sometimes it’s done to us and we remain kind of stuck, dissociated, and our body doesn’t know how to contain or move through those emotions. But yeah, the study of animals in the wild is a really big part of the SE framework. Kimberly Snyder (14:10.126)You know, I think about these ancient cultures where there was a lot of tribal dancing and gathering around fires. And I wonder if that was embedded in these earlier cultures. We’ve unfortunately moved away from a lot of that innate knowing. when I was backpacking in Africa, I saw almost, I think it was a funeral gathering and it was, the dancing was like so, intense and it was just beautiful, but dramatic. And it was. Brittany Piper (14:23.084)Yeah, absolutely. Brittany Piper (14:29.613)Hmm. Kimberly Snyder (14:40.11)Like they were moving the grief through their body. I had never seen anything like that in any sort of funeral. And it was amazing. It was somatic as you were describing. Brittany Piper (14:50.51)Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, even as you’re talking about that, I’m getting goosebumps now because that’s, I feel like in this world that we live in, in kind of a modernized culture, we’ve become so disconnected and associated and detached from our bodies. You know, this fast-paced world that we live in, we’re very mind heavy, which is fine. However, our body in many ways, a lot of the upgraded science shows that our body is really in the driver’s seat. the vagus nerve, which is like the longest nerve in the body. It’s known as the information superhighway. But in the early 2000s, we found that this bidirectional informational nerve, 80 % of those messages go from the body up to the brain and only 20 % go from the brain down to the body. And so, yeah, the body holds so much ancient. Kimberly Snyder (15:40.279)Yes. Brittany Piper (15:45.934)primal wisdom and I feel like we oftentimes we’re scared of our bodies. We don’t know how to connect with our bodies and that’s why like in my book, but also if you were to work with any somatic experiencing practitioner, they give you a vocabulary of sensations to like learn the language of the body and I feel like this is something that I do believe is innately built within us, but it’s become so we’re so disconnected from it that it feels so foreign. Kimberly Snyder (16:00.728)Mmm. Brittany Piper (16:14.351)We kind of forget that we have bodies sometimes and then we… Kimberly Snyder (16:18.11)Yeah, it becomes very heady. It’s the same thing with the heart work. know, so surprised to learn the heart is another brain with 40,000 neurons and it too is sending more messages up because we do get so rational and linear. You know, how we started the conversation trying to think our way rationally, well, I’m not in danger anymore or this is safe, but it’s still in there until we feel. And I want to get into some of those tools you share, but first I just want to acknowledge Britt how vulnerable and Brittany Piper (16:28.91)Mm-hmm. Brittany Piper (16:37.421)Mm-hmm. Kimberly Snyder (16:47.49)beautiful it was that you shared parts of your story as not someone just teaching about this, but someone that’s gone through profound healing and embodies what it can be like to live in far more peace in your body. And you mentioned about your brother’s car accident and also your, you know, the sexual assault, which, know, is, you know, as a woman, could say it’s like the, you know, one of the worst things that we could imagine happening to our sense of safety. Brittany Piper (17:17.016)Mm-hmm. Kimberly Snyder (17:17.462)And to have gone through that and teach about it now is amazing. Brittany Piper (17:22.263)Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I always say a lot of my work started off as me search. You know, I would say probably most of us in this space, right, where a lot of our work is informed by our own personal experiences. And, you know, I had been in and out of conventional therapy for a lot of my life and on different medications. And it was supportive, but I felt like it would bring temporary relief, but I never found like resolution. And I would get in these cycles of like, Kimberly Snyder (17:27.66)Sure. Brittany Piper (17:52.44)Britney’s drinking again or, Britney’s in jail now or, Britney’s in the hospital. And I just felt like every couple of years I was in this cycle of self-destruction, like just destroying myself from within. And I had an experience, which I share about in the book, when I ended up in a jail cell. And it was in that jail cell over three days that my body was able, I feel like, to process decades old grief and trauma. that I had become such an expert at running from. And I also came from a family where we just put everything under the rug. You just muscle through, you armor through, right? And in my early 20s, I realized that avoiding isn’t the same thing as healing and that eventually you have to do the work. So yeah, coming out of that jail cell, I felt like a literal different person. And I remember the judge, this was shortly after my sexual assault case, she remembered who I was. And she said, we’re gonna drop the charges, but she said, you need to learn to live with your pain better. And that was kind of like a big moment because she didn’t say, get over it, get past it. She said, learn to with, yes, with it. Which was a totally new concept, right? Like that’s not what I, you you muscle through, you move on, you get past it. And that was also a message that was passed down. Kimberly Snyder (19:03.775)with Brittany Piper (19:15.95)through generations in my family, in my lineage. And when I looked at the history of the women in my family, we’re all very much the same, right? We just, keep it pushing, we keep going, we stay busy, we focus on work, we overachieve, we’re perfectionist, kind of like you said. But the masking could only last for so long. And so I got into somatic healing back in 2012, just on my personal. in my own personal journey, because I was like, what happened to me in that jail cell? My body felt different. Something happened. And as I started to learn about the literature and also started experiencing it myself as a client, I was like, how does the world not know about this? And so that’s kind of what started that process for me of just trying to share with anyone that I could, because I was like, this needs to be more widely known. Kimberly Snyder (20:08.589)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (20:12.428)Before we move on from your story, Britt, I also want to acknowledge, and what an amazing judge to have been put in your path. It was like a messenger, right, from the divine to say that. But I also want to acknowledge in our society when these sorts of things happen, how easy it is to pretend, like you said, like to not take someone to trial for rape. I have a friend who was raped in college and her parents were like, no, this is going to be too big a deal, just get over it. And so she never pressed charges. And now, you know, a couple of decades later, I don’t know if she ever fully healed. She has never had any other long-term relationships. And so the bravery it must have took to go on trial for two years. And there was a short trauma from that, but maybe a healing that you actually saw it all the way through. Brittany Piper (21:05.26)Yeah. Yeah, there was. I think justice looks so different for every survivor. My work in the trauma space started. I was working in sexual violence and rape crisis centers here in the States, but mainly abroad. And justice shows up in so many ways. unfortunately, we live in a time where favor is not in the hands of the victim. It’s often most times in the hands of the perpetrator. It’s a systemic issue and one that I still fight to end. Like every day this past week, I was in Pennsylvania. I had three programs talking to college students through different universities in Pennsylvania. And I always ask this question at the beginning of every program, like, will you please quietly stand if you know someone who’s experienced sexual violence? And usually it’s like, I’m just tearing up talking about it. Usually it’s like, I don’t know, 50 to 75 % of the audience will stand, which is like gut wrenching. The second question is then, for those of you standing, will you please stay standing if you know that that person reported it? Half of them sit down. And then the people that are still standing all then ask, if you know that the perpetrator received justice, please stay standing. If they did not, can you quietly sit down? And usually it’s a handful. And I’ll talk to audience of like hundreds, thousands, handful of people. An event I had this past week, there were probably about 250 people standing. <

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I’m really happy to be here and I love talking about emotional well-being more than almost anything else. So we’re gonna have, I think, beautiful conversation. Kimberly Snyder (00:52.436)I know we will, especially after reading your book. And emotional wellbeing is one of our four cornerstones. And it just came about so organically creating these cornerstones, Dr. Nicole. I worked with clients, there was always this focus on food initially, but then it started to become so clear. Our wellness is holistic. And that really was how my journey unfolded into these cornerstones. It’s like, okay, food, then we have our body. And then there’s this emotional piece, which we know affects our hormones, it affects our digestion. So before we go into the book and some of your tools and teachings, can you tell us a little bit about your story? Just a little bit why you were drawn to focus so much on emotional wellness and a little bit about your own journey with anxiety and panic. Dr. Nicole Cain (01:46.688)Yes, yeah, I’m a wounded healer as many of us are. And we were really intentional when creating the title, End Anxiety Forever. Wow, that activates a lot in a lot of us. End anxiety forever. It’s not just manage anxiety or suppress anxiety or how to stay calm all the time, but end anxiety forever. And Kimberly Snyder (01:51.138)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (02:02.938)you Dr. Nicole Cain (02:16.554)It started with a question. I remember asking myself, can I actually heal from anxiety or is this something I’m gonna have for the rest of my life? And it began with a lot of stress in childhood and thank goodness when we’re kids that we are so adaptable. And I grew up in a stressful household and my little self learned how to adapt. I became hypervigilant. Kimberly Snyder (02:24.282)Mmm. Dr. Nicole Cain (02:45.582)I noticed everything that was happening around me. could see changes in the environment. I could see changes in facial expressions. So I was really good at being hyper aware. And I developed all these skills to then try to manage my environment, whether by fawning or cleaning the house for my parents or whatever it was. But those same traits for those who are listening, if you resonate with that, Kimberly Snyder (03:00.13)Right. Dr. Nicole Cain (03:12.342)that yeah, I grew up and I was really hyper aware. I was really attuned. I’m a people pleaser. We always say people pleasers often start out as parent pleasers that those very adaptations that helped us survive could be the seeds that produce feelings of fear or disempowerment or anxiety or panic. Or as you talk about a lack of that coherence in the mind, the body and the spirit. Kimberly Snyder (03:22.499)Right. Dr. Nicole Cain (03:41.864)And so when I would go to the doctor, the doctor was all about management. And the doctor would say, know, Nicole, anxiety is just a part of the human experience. You just have to deal with it. Our ways of dealing with it is you use top-down strategies, try to talk yourself out of it, or we correct the chemical imbalance with antidepressants. And then going into counseling, I realized that there is Kimberly Snyder (04:04.314)Mm-hmm. Dr. Nicole Cain (04:11.63)a limit to how much we could talk ourselves out of things. I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced it, but I sure have where my body may be having an experience and it doesn’t really care what my logical brain has to say. so for those who feel frustrated and they’ve had people say, you know, just calm down, good vibes only think positively. That doesn’t always work, especially Kimberly Snyder (04:25.977)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (04:38.444)Yes. Dr. Nicole Cain (04:39.788)because these adaptations can get stored in non-logical parts of the mind, body, and spirit, non-temporal meaning they could feel like they’re happening inside and outside of time. So as I’m kind of saying that, it sounds like I see you nodding. I feel like you’re kind of resonating with us. Kimberly Snyder (04:57.602)Yes. I mean, first of all, when we define a stressful household or things that happened in our childhood, it wasn’t until I started to read the first book that really sort of woke me up to this was The Body Keeps the Score by Wiesel van der Kolk. And it’s amazing, I think, how much people are talking about trauma now and maladaptive coping mechanisms from childhood. you know, it really doesn’t, it can be Dr. Nicole Cain (05:14.68)Bessel van der Kolk, yeah. Kimberly Snyder (05:27.34)an accident or one particular thing, but it can also be these ways in which our parents made us feel like we had to vie for love or attention. There’s so many ways I think that we develop patterns that can create anxiety. So I think now we realize how widespread this really is. And so that’s why I think it’s really amazing that this conversation is happening between us and also in the collective. And the second thing I wanted to say about this mental idea is yes, we can be logical in our mind, but the body work has been so powerful for me personally and being able to shift out of patterns, including eating disorders and just anxiety myself. And really for me, it’s been going into the heart, the physical heart. Dr. Nicole Cain (05:56.451)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (06:21.336)like focusing on the heart and work with heart coherence and also the energetic heart and taking that pause. And I think it’s powerful to have these other strategies because to your point, I know people that have been in talk therapy for many years and they seem to be still trapped in that victim mindset or just the same story. So I think it’s great that this is becoming something that so many people are talking about. Dr. Nicole Cain (06:44.055)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (06:50.714)And I’m also interested, you know, because we’re talking about anxiety in your subtitle, but then panic in your title. So it’s almost like you’re using them synonymously or how would you actually define the difference? Because now a lot of us can say, you know, I feel anxious or I have anxiety, but then panic and panic attacks almost seems to be a separate thing. Dr. Nicole Cain (06:57.005)Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (07:11.192)Yes, that’s a really wise question. And when we’re talking about ending anxiety, what does that actually mean? And what does that look like? And how does panic fit into all of this? And if we look at the conventional medical model, they use a book called the DSM, the Diagnostic Statistical Manual, we’re on number five at this point, it’s a big purple book. And they categorize anxiety into agoraphobia, which would be anxiety in public places like bus stops or baseball games. You know, when we’re outside amongst lots of people, they may say, it’s generalized anxiety, or they may say you have panic attacks or panic disorder. And so they look at those separately. But if we were to put on our researcher hat and go into downtown LA, or New York or any city and ask Kimberly Snyder (07:46.927)Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (08:07.114)everybody, what does it feel like when you get a little bit stressed, overwhelmed, or activated? They’ll give you a whole list of symptoms that can affect them from head to toe. And if we reorganize and recategorize all of those symptoms, which I did, is we can put them into approximately nine categories, and I call those the nine types of anxiety. Kimberly Snyder (08:28.43)Why? Dr. Nicole Cain (08:31.272)And then now that we know all the different types of ways people can experience arousal and activation, then we look at how it can occur on a continuum. Because we see from the research that it isn’t distinct separate, now I’m anxious, now I’m not anxious, now I’m panicking, that it’s an ever-growing process. And if we can learn how to hear the body when it whispers, we’ll be able to Kimberly Snyder (08:42.468)Mm. Dr. Nicole Cain (09:00.384)understand its language, listen to it, and then meet the needs that it’s telling us it has before it has to accelerate and amplify into a shout, which would be mild annoyance, mild overwhelm, all the way up into panic, rage, crisis. Kimberly Snyder (09:16.938)Okay, so even annoyance is a type of, I’m getting thrown off, like this is a type of anxiety all the way to the extreme panic. Dr. Nicole Cain (09:26.57)And exactly, I teach it like stoplight strategies. So green light is when you’re feeling really good. You’re in the flow, you have good coherence, you’re creative, it’s that alpha state centered. And then as you get a little bit like more maybe happening more stimuli, maybe from the screen, or maybe your head’s just facing forward and you’re reading a book, but the body is like, I’m getting a little stressed, like it’s a deer in headlight position in that Kimberly Snyder (09:37.248)Yes, sector. Dr. Nicole Cain (09:56.248)feedback loop gets activated. And then there’s a moment, I call that the pay attention zone, where, ooh, I’m not feeling calm and creative and relaxed anymore. I’m feeling a little activated. And if that activation is paired with a sense of a lack of personal power or agency, then that’s fear, that’s anxiety. And so then as that mounts, maybe you started with a little butterfly in your chest. Kimberly Snyder (10:08.633)Mm-hmm. Kimberly Snyder (10:19.704)Hmm. Dr. Nicole Cain (10:25.43)Or maybe your worry brain started going a little faster. And if that continues to amplify more and more and more, we’ll get into the yellow zone, which is moderate activation. And if it goes from there and goes into the red light zone, that’s crisis. weak, like a panic attack. Yes. And we can actually stop, reliably stop panic attacks from happening. Kimberly Snyder (10:43.258)Like a panic attack. Dr. Nicole Cain (10:54.924)And we can often teach people how to reprogram the mind, the body, and the other complementary systems so that anxiety is more data and it’s no longer anxiety. It’s just data like, I’m feeling a little tension in my chest. What could that be about? I’ve got this. I’m not afraid. I’m listening. And so suddenly the whole conversation changes. Kimberly Snyder (11:08.334)Okay. Kimberly Snyder (11:20.138)let’s use a real example so we can break that down because then it starts to feel like we’re still talking and I think what you’re referencing is more of this somatic experience. So two of my family members, Dr. Nicole, have very intense plane phobia. One of them is my grandmother and one time she tried to get back on the plane and she caused such a fuss they actually had to stop the plane. Dr. Nicole Cain (11:32.056)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (11:47.512)It hadn’t taken off yet, but you when you’re going down the runway and go back and let her off, like super intense. So if someone has, and we have a friend who’s really, really anxious about getting in elevators, right? These are like very tangible examples. Even if he’s in New York, he will walk up 20 flights of stairs. So someone starts to feel, and what David described to me is this claustrophobia. Dr. Nicole Cain (11:52.163)Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (12:01.528)Yeah. Yes. Dr. Nicole Cain (12:06.766)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (12:14.136)I don’t know where did it get created, maybe something else from their childhood. But if someone’s feeling that feeling on the extreme end of your scale, I imagine, what are some of the very things we do? Because you’ve been sitting on the plane, you can tell yourself, hey, there’s not a threat, but your body is registering a pretty big threat at that time. Dr. Nicole Cain (12:25.4)Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (12:37.25)love how in sync we are with this Kimberly. I was thinking about a tangible example of flying because I used to have a horrible fear of flying. I was on a plane and we’re coming into Phoenix and there’s a lot of mountain air like hot air rising from the mountains. We hit a pocket of air in the plane like did this really quick kind of side tip and everyone around me had a very big emotional reaction which set my nervous system into like, Kimberly Snyder (12:42.701)Yeah. Kimberly Snyder (12:47.682)Bye. Kimberly Snyder (13:05.57)Dr. Nicole Cain (13:06.434)we’re gonna die. So I PTSD for over a decade flying, but I travel all the time. So I just had to keep getting on these flights and I just cry in the fetal position the whole time. And so I love the example of the flying and the way that it’s different for me. And then we could kind of unpack this a little bit more. Kimberly Snyder (13:09.305)Yeah Kimberly Snyder (13:17.124)Wow. Dr. Nicole Cain (13:26.744)But the way that it’s different for me now is I actually just flew into Michigan two days ago and we followed this huge storm front. There were tornadoes in Michigan. It was like this giant storm front that went through like the entire north part of the US all the way across. And so I’m getting alerts like tornadoes, severe weather, and I’m getting on a plane and I’m in recovery from really horrible fear of flying. So my body remembered that a little bit. So I’m on the plane and I notice that the skin of my hand is starting to feel a little hot. And that’s my pay attention is oftentimes it will start with like a little bit my body is heating up. And then if I don’t address it and back in the day it would then turn into burning, which would then turn into electric zaps running through my teeth and claustrophobia and like, Kimberly Snyder (14:05.274)Mmm. Kimberly Snyder (14:20.354)Hmm. Yes. Like I’m s- Dr. Nicole Cain (14:23.362)chewing on ice, trapped in there, right? And so there’s a couple of things if we unpack what happens in that moment for those who are like, my gosh, I’m here, happens to me in the highway, Kane’s talking about a plane, it’s the same biological process. So in that moment, there’s something, a memory or an activating event, an adaptation. that in that moment when the plane starts bumping or whatever it is, that the amygdala, that emotional processing part of the brain decides that we’re in danger for whatever reason. And we could totally unpack whatever those root causes are. And we do that in the book. But we’ll walk through kind of the biology of it first. And so the amygdala is like, we might be in danger. We’re getting alerts and there’s storms. what if this? What if that? And so that sends an automatic cascade down to the body, which will result in cortisol, stress hormone being produced, adrenaline being produced. And so we experience this autonomic arousal, this kind of fight, flight, freeze, flop, fawn, or fracture response. And what will happen then as a result of all those chemicals is the logical brain gets down-regulated. So that top down, when you go to the therapist and they’re like, just think logically, you know that the plane loves to fly, can go through hurricanes, it’s fine, it’s all safe, you’re just feeling nervous. That part of your brain isn’t accessible. So like your grandmother, when she gets really frightened on the flight, she doesn’t have access to this logical part of herself because the body is like, we’re not analyzing the tiger. We don’t care about your wellbeing. We care about your safety. So we’re just gonna run away. Kimberly Snyder (16:08.729)Right. Dr. Nicole Cain (16:16.824)but she’s stuck on a plane, right? So I have a four step process for how to reprogram this. And so that when I was on the flight yesterday after practicing these four steps, I noticed my skin getting a little hot and I didn’t have the fear or the anxiety paired with it. And that’s the key difference is how can we feel the information from the body with compassion and curiosity Kimberly Snyder (16:41.113)Mm. Dr. Nicole Cain (16:45.814)and then respond to that. So what I knew is that my amygdala was getting a little louder. And instead of almost jumping in the stream and being carried downstream is I was like, I need to activate my logical brain. so using before things become red light zone, once we’re in that little pay attention zone, we still have the opportunity to activate logical brain. and logical brain can shut down that fear cascade. So I was on the plane, I noticed a little heat, I was like, thank you, body. And then I started doing some of these techniques and I had a great flight and I didn’t cry and I didn’t have a panic attack and it was wonderful. So there’s the beginning and we can totally unpack that more. Kimberly Snyder (17:17.306)Mm. Kimberly Snyder (17:31.992)Mm-hmm. Kimberly Snyder (17:36.802)Yeah, I really have that personal experience of the thoughts spinning. I think a lot of us start to feel like, you know, there’s nowhere to go. I can’t get off. We’re up in the air. I’m trapped in here. And it can start to feel so terrifying to even be in your body. So yeah, that whole brain. so, you know, for me, with this body work, Dr. Nicole, it has been so much. Dr. Nicole Cain (17:42.478)Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (17:55.053)Yeah. Kimberly Snyder (18:03.236)coming to this other brain, right? Because the heart is a brain too with 40,000 neurons. And all this research helped me with, first of the spiritual, but then Dr. Roland McCready, who’s with HeartMath, is that we can change our perceptions in this other way of dropping in, because then there’s actually more messages from the heart up to the brain. So it’s like these tools, which I’m really interested in learning about all the heart work and other ones, where it’s not just relying. on the brain. And then of course, as we get regulated, then it does start to bring in that common sense thinking again, and not the circular thinking and, you know, going around and around. I noticed it this weekend, Dr. Nicole, because I was at a very crowded chess tournament. My older son plays chess, and I don’t like crowds, like you were saying back to your spectrum. It’s not that I don’t, I do a lot of speaking or, you I’ll be on stage, but then there’s kind of like, it’s like organized. There’s a book signing afterwards or whatever, but I’ve never liked music festivals where I’m sort of in the throes of everyone moving around. And that’s what this chess tournament was, like the jostling of all the parents and the kids. and I did notice that activation. And then I dropped in and soothed myself where I think in the past, and if we don’t have these tools, it’s easy to just spend. Dr. Nicole Cain (19:10.327)Mm. Dr. Nicole Cain (19:16.91)Mm. Kimberly Snyder (19:23.474)And then like you said, the cortisol, the hormones can get out of whack. So what’s an actual physical practice? You know, I talk a lot about the heart coherence work that you have, that you talk about in your book. As you mentioned, a bottom-up approach, not just talk therapy, but how we can regulate the nervous system in our bodies when we notice we’re activated. Dr. Nicole Cain (19:38.872)Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (19:46.648)I want to begin by honoring you for noticing that and allowing yourself. Yeah. Kimberly Snyder (19:50.106)It’s like in time, Because we learn, as you said, to listen to our bodies again. Dr. Nicole Cain (19:55.572)Yeah, yeah, you could have just popped a Xanax and suppressed it and or you could have been like, what is an herb like theanine or kava kava. And so I want to honor you for doing the harder work that takes the time to listen to notice to honor, and then to soothe. So I honor that. And so in that moment, it sounds like what you were describing is a little bit of yellow light. So you’re a little bit more activated. It wasn’t at that moment where it was still like, ooh, I’m noticing I can still cognitively manage this. It sounds like your body was getting a little bit more yellow light. So in that yellow light zone, we want to do exactly what you said. We want to use bottom up because that logical brain, it’s not going to change the body. We just start with the body. And so I’d love to actually just to make it Kimberly Snyder (20:37.315)Yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (20:53.748)organized for people who may be newer to this conversation is go through it one step at a time, each of the four steps of what that bottom up might look like. Would that be okay? Super. step one is any time that we notice that we’re activated, we want to go to the body. And the best way I found to go to the body is with sound, touch, taste, temperature, breath. Kimberly Snyder (21:00.9)Okay. Air. Dr. Nicole Cain (21:21.142)And you mentioned that you went to the heart, you went to the breath. Our breath is always with us. Our breath is free and it can be very powerful. And just like for those who’ve seen heart math, you can actually watch how the breath can change your heart coherence. You can watch out, can change the way that your nervous system is responding in real time. And so for those who need the proof, who need to see it, heart math is good for that. I also have a hack for how you can do that. Kimberly Snyder (21:21.274)Mm. Dr. Nicole Cain (21:51.104)if you don’t have an aura ring, if you don’t have a biofeedback device, and it’s by feeling our very own pulse. May I show you? Kimberly Snyder (21:59.404)Yes. And when I say heart math, we did a research study with heart math and you’re not that you ever have to, you know, do an H, you don’t have to have any sort of HRV device. Although HR, you know, heart math does have their wave pro equipment. it’s more about, you know, tuning in to how your heart, starts to calm your thoughts, but you don’t have to have, just to be clear, I don’t mean you need any sort of numerical feedback device, cause I don’t use one myself. Dr. Nicole Cain (22:08.6)Yeah, yeah. Dr. Nicole Cain (22:15.406)Mm. Dr. Nicole Cain (22:27.988)my gosh, it’s so brilliant. I actually, when I was learning about all this, I loved heart math because I needed to see it. I was like, don’t tell me to breathe. I don’t feel any differe

This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Oliver Niño Summary: In this enlightening conversation, Oliver Nino, a New York Times bestselling author and energy healer, shares his insights on the importance of energy in self-healing and personal growth. He discusses his journey from skepticism to becoming a healer, emphasizing that everyone has the potential to tap into their own healing abilities. The conversation explores the significance of setting intentions, the role of love in healing, and practical nighttime practices to manage energy effectively. Oliver also highlights the importance of relationships in the healing process and how love can facilitate deeper healing. The discussion concludes with practical tips for energy cleansing and the transformative power of intention in finding love and purpose. 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Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:29.868)His latest book is called Spiritual Activator, Five Steps to Clearing, Unblocking and Protecting Your Energy to Attract More Love, Joy and Purpose. And his other book, which I also want to talk about today, Do This Before Bed, Simple Five Minute Practices That Will Change Your Life. Oliver, thank you so much for being here with us today. Oliver Nino (00:50.028)Kimberly, thank you so much. I’ve been so excited for this. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:53.07)I’m so excited. I love your background, by the way. If you guys are listening to this, please hop on our YouTube channel to see this very cosmic, expansive background behind Oliver. just matches energy wise, what you’re talking about in your books. just, you feel this openness, right? Oliver Nino (01:13.61)Yeah, mean, honestly, like to me, I wanted something that’s like, what can I have in the background that’s kind of like gets people’s energy kind of like in a good place. So we, know, chalk in our tech folk or the tech folk behind there. They’re the ones that are making sure everyone’s like visual experience is also amazing, right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:30.808)So I love, know, even talking about energy just feels so expansive. And some people may say like, energy healing, what’s that? So I love how in your books you go right into, hey, everything’s energy, right? And we’ve been, we’ve heard so much about quantum physics now and just how this limited Newtonian view of separation has been so outdated for so long and this interconnectivity. In my last book, all it was about the heart and heart coherence and how all these fields intersect. So can you first tell us a little bit about, you know, energy in general, how energy, mean, such a big question, but just, you know, just top line, why it’s so fundamental that we’re working with energy when we’re talking about self healing, unblocking, expansion, attraction, and also a little bit about how you came into this work in the first place. Oliver Nino (02:21.142)Mm. Oliver Nino (02:25.28)Yeah. Yeah. to me, the way I look at energy, it’s almost like it’s, it’s oxygen, it’s sunlight, right? Whether people believe in it or not, it’s something that affects us. And to me, I think the unique thing about my background is like, I didn’t start out with, with energy. Actually, I started out as an entrepreneur, very successful in different ventures, you know, and, and, and throughout the process, you know, wanting to better myself, wanting to heal, wanting to have abundance in all areas of life. felt like. You know, I felt like there was more to life than what I was experiencing, but I couldn’t experience what, you know, what that was. And I didn’t know why it wasn’t for lack of trying out. I tried a lot of different modalities, but you know, some work, some work for the moment, but nothing really got me to where I wanted to go. And that was my first focus is I just wanted a better life. I just wanted to heal from pain, heal from trauma. You know, I just wanted, you know, to like release resentment and anger. wanted to feel good in my body. wanted to, you know, have. better finances and then better relationships and the whole thing. And what I realized is energy is the one thing that affects us all that nobody talks about. Because to me, funny enough, like you mentioned, you’re in California, my first awakening was, gosh, was 20 years ago, I had a energy healing from a healer in Tabanga Canyon. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:51.405)Hmm Oliver Nino (03:52.29)For the very first time, I was very, very skeptical. cause I, and that was before, like right before the secret came out, before energy was even a thing. And I was very skeptical, but I was open-minded. I was like, I’m going to try it once. If you come highly. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:02.744)with absence or hands-on healing. Oliver Nino (04:05.57)Um, I went to see him, this person, he was visiting from Australia and he didn’t touch me. He was like, he was close. He had crystals and doing all those different things, but he didn’t, he, he wasn’t hands on like a massage, like a body worker. It was just waving a lot of crystals, making a lot of sounds. And I thought I was like, gosh, one is, is this a, is this a cult? And what, kind of stuff did I sign up for? My mind was very, very negative the entire time. And, and I was skeptical. didn’t see anything. I didn’t feel anything. I was very, very irritated. And at of the healing, I remember he said, you know what? I released a lot of abundance blocks that you had in your heart. And these abundance blocks were passed on to you generationally. Your dad had it, his dad had it. And that was what was stopping you. And for me, went to one ear, came out the other. I was like, okay, sure. Now I’ve got abundance blocks. Great. you know, not only did I get a healing, I got his Australian fortune cookie too. Tell him you my fortune, right? so I left there and he goes like, before I left, he was like, the next four to five weeks, you’re going to have a windfall of abundance. And I’m like, okay, you know, walked out, didn’t think anything of it. You know, four to five weeks later, you know, I, opportunity came and I ended up making more in one day than in an entire year. Right. And I was like, what is this energy thing? What’s going on? What, how can it do this? How can it do something that is so impossible in my mind and do it even if I’m Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:20.216)Mmm. Oliver Nino (05:31.458)skeptical, right? So to me, that’s my first introduction to it. That’s that got me down the rabbit hole of like, if this is what one session can do, then what do I not know about energy? What else can it do? How else can it change my life? And that started my passion and earlier on obsession and passion, for, energy work. But to me, energy is the thing that affects us all. Like if you think about it, even if you don’t believe in energy, you can all relate to, if you go into a mall, right. And next thing you know, there’s a little bit. too many people around you or someone’s anxious, we tend to feel it. Like not only in energetic system, sometimes some people is like the nervous system feels it and our body reacts, right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:09.154)I feel it very much. I’m like, yes, I understand. Oliver Nino (06:11.97)Yeah. And to me, it’s almost, it’s the same thing. I hear people all the time, but I don’t believe in energy. then they, don’t know what it is, but then they’re the type of people where, someone’s, you know, you feel like someone’s staring at you and you look and they are staring at you. can feel it. Like they’re looking at you. Or for me, it’s like those crazy things to where you’re thinking of somebody you haven’t thought of them for a while. Next thing you know, they call, they text, you bump into them and you’re like, what’s going on? Cause to us, there’s this invisible field that connects us all. And that’s energy. And to me, I think it’s one of the things that’s always been there since the beginning of time. And the more we become aware of it, I think the better we’re able to navigate life itself, you know? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:49.238)Absolutely. I also love that this was your first experience was going to someone and you were skeptical and then you had this incredible experience and now you’re working with energy all the time and doing healings and having all these events and teaching people and teaching teachers. So do you believe Oliver, we all have this potential to tune in or do you think in this lifetime, some maybe more, depending on what we believe with reincarnation like Oliver Nino (06:57.12)Yep. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:18.964)know, able to tune in more and be, I’ll use the word healers. Oliver Nino (07:24.704)Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was interesting because like, most healers that you see out there, like, you know, they’re, I’m, I’m, I’m a little bit different in a way to, I’m mostly left brain. I’m mostly analytical. I’m mostly in business. I’m mostly ground. I, kind of figured out all the other stuff before I jumped into it. and what I realized is I met so many people, and maybe because I’m a little bit more biased. but everyone that I’ve met in my experience in the last, in the last 20 years, are people that. are gifted. The question is, will they step into their gift in this lifetime is another question. Because I’ve met people that are, you know, their lives have spiraled and they’re in a dark place. And when people are around them, they’re like, they feel like they get drained of energy. And when I’m around that person, I’m like, person has a gift, right? But are they willing to explore? Are they willing to heal? Are they willing to step into it is another question. So to me, I’ve come from the belief based on what I’ve seen. And what I’ve, you what I’ve, what I’ve known is that everybody has it within them. Right. And at certain times, you know, whether it’s a heartbreak, like, you know, you know, you get a diagnosis, like you can do an accident, midlife crisis, like, something happens in your life where we reevaluate and we’re like, you know, things have to be better. And we tap into what we have within the light within sometimes things have to happen for us to tap into it. And sometimes we just seek it out because we feel like life’s Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:46.775)Yes. Oliver Nino (08:50.9)not as fulfilling as it can be, right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:53.174)Yes. And also, you know, back to your story, for many of us listening, we’re like, that sounds great. I can just go to a guy and he can wave crystals over me and I get all this money. It sounds amazing. But in your books, you also talk about, you know, working with our own self-conscious, subconscious work we have to do, doing the affirmations, doing practices before bed. So there is, you know, free will involved. It’s not that we want to show up at You know the healers and keep going or Oliver Nino (09:24.778)Yeah. I mean, I, I tell people I’m a big believer because this is what I did. To me, I’m glad and thankful that there are people out there that, you know, shine their light and did healing back then. And I was able to experience, but I’m, I’ve been in the very beginning. I was a little bit more of a control freak in a way to like, that’s great. But what if I need healing every week or every other week or every other day? Cause life happens. I don’t want to, you know, be at the mercy of somebody doing a healing. Right. And cause I wanted to. have the skills. that’s that led me that opened my eyes, show me what was possible. you know, shortly after that, I went deep dive into how can I become my own healer? How can and what I realized is we all have the ability to affect our energetic fields, you know, and, and really cause our bodies, our minds, our emotions and to go into a self healing state to where it rectifies things and we, you know, we feel better, think better, you know, and and experience good things as a result of it. So to me, I am a big believer that yes, the beginning, yeah, you can have people show you the way, you can have crystals, you can have things that are training wheels, but ultimately I believe that we all have it within and we are our own healers. And that’s a journey that I wish a lot of people took up more. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:44.59)You know, it’s unfolding all the time, right Oliver? I’ll give you an example. When I met my husband and it was this like incredible love and then we got together and there was this closeness and then this trauma came up that wasn’t, I wasn’t aware of in my prior relationships and I hadn’t loved in the same way. And then in front of all this old stuff, was like unfolding and then that comes up, old patterns, right? And then, you know, it’s that awareness and working with that energy. And I wouldn’t have worked with that energy, you know, 10 years ago. So it’s like, we just keep evolving, I think, as humans. And like you said, modalities and tools to keep supporting ourselves. It’s such an important part of self care. Oliver Nino (11:24.866)Yeah, it’s super important because to me, I feel like we’re never done growing. mean, yeah. Can you get to a place to where you’ve got everything that you want in life? And I have people that I’ve helped that you would look at their lives and you’re like, they have everything they want in life. What else could they possibly have? And to me, a lot of times when you have it all and then you’re supported and when you have that bandwidth is at times when the next layer of healing shows up because you’re strong enough to handle it. Because in the past, you’re not You know, if you haven’t, you don’t have the resources, whether it’s the environment or internal, right. then you’re the toughest stuff won’t, won’t come up to heal because it’s not ready to be healed. The environment’s not there to heal it, or it’s not relevant to be healed. But to me, a lot of my biggest growth happened, you know, happens in relationships, right? It, it, makes us feel safe enough at times to be like, I can now process this stuff. And then when we process it, life gets better, right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:09.005)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:18.126)So when you’re working with energy, Oliver, and I’m getting goosebumps now, is it something you’re just feeling or are you seeing colors or is there any visual component or is it more, is it just a different type of sense? Oliver Nino (12:25.729)Mm. Oliver Nino (12:33.938)It’s different because like, so I teach people how to do it as well. And it’s very, very different for everybody. I, I, I look at it as people have different ways they process energy. I’m more of a feeler. So when I’m working with somebody, I can try to imagine stuff, but to me, I feel the heat. I feel where the block is. feel, you know, where the resistance, I feel where trauma is stuck. I might have another healer, you know, that I’ve trained and they don’t feel stuff when they’re doing that. They can see it. They can see it vividly. They can see it clearly. I might have other people like when they’re doing. You know, when they’re running their hands over, you know, they get the information, like it’s just coming to them what it is. Not even, not even seeing, not even feeling it’s snowing. Right. So to me, the way I look at it is we’re all different. some people see, some people feel, some people know, some people smell, some people hear. And we, but just because that’s where you start, doesn’t mean that’s all available to you. To me, that’s, those are like the ones that are awake right now. And as you explore more can actually open up for you. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:31.158)And can you turn it on and off? Or you just start looking at the grocery store and you’re like, this person in line ahead of me is like some big drop. Oliver Nino (13:33.899)Yo. Mm, mm. Well, to me, honestly, like, I feel like we are all born with it on. If you look at kids, they’re very, you know, in tune, very sensitive, very in tune, very just knowledgeable. And they, they, they’re high vibrational and through life, we actually turn it off. We actually dim our lights to, fit in so that we’re not judged or maybe as a kid, we feel too much and it’s no one gave us a tool. So we shut it off. So we’re not feeling too much. Right. Or at times I’ve seen it to where. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:44.045)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:06.253)Yeah. Oliver Nino (14:08.789)You you might, you might get rejected or ridiculed for it or your parents or someone’s afraid of it. So you turn it off just to fit in. So there’s a lot of reasons why we turn it. We try to turn it off, but to me, it’s, it’s, it’s running underneath the surface. It always, it’s always there and it’s going to visit us later, later in life to remind us that we have it. But yeah, to me at the very beginning, it’s tough. went to when, when I was the very beginning of my journey. I would go to grocery stores and I would feel everyone’s energy. would, you know, and I would, I would be affected by it. And I want to protect myself. Right. And the longer I’ve done this, I realized that that was one way of doing it. And at different levels, like, you know, your, your, your vibration becomes your protection. So when you, when you work on yourself in a lot, you’re in a high vibration, you walk into that store. And in the past, if people are negative, they’re affecting you. But when you’re in a high vibration, it kind of flips. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:53.602)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:04.824)Yes. Oliver Nino (15:04.916)You’re affecting people positively because energy goes both ways. If they can drag you down, you can lift them up. So to me, what I’ve realized long-term is working on your vibration, your energy puts you high to where that becomes your best protection. Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:18.872)my gosh, it’s so funny, Oliver, when I used to teach yoga, when I first got back from backpacking, I would go in the bathroom before I would teach and I would do these Reiki protection symbols over myself. And then I realized over time, like you’re saying, like when I feel really strong in my energy, I’m not scared to be around people or touch them. I may notice, like you said, like, this person feels a little bit, you know. Oliver Nino (15:42.562)Yeah. And it kind of becomes more empowering because at the very beginning, think, you know, a lot of people go through it for like, they, they take on energy and they’re like, Ooh, people can affect me. But then I’ve seen people, I’m like, how is it that there are people that walk into the room and they just lift the whole room up with their energy? And that fascinated me. mean, the first experience that I’ve had was, um, have you heard of, um, The hugging saints. So I know we, got, I got exposed to her in 2005 and I was just, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:05.302)Yes, on the hug. Oliver Nino (16:12.662)baffled to where like, know, in LA, when she landed, I would feel the energy shift and I was, you know, 30, 40 minutes away from the hotel. would feel the energy of the city shift and I would walk into the hotel room, you know, and see people and they were crying before they even saw her because her energy field was so healing. She has done a lot of work that anyone that’s in that field, they experienced the shifts. So to me, That was one of my first, examples of like, wow, there are people that can actually impact other people by just their presence without even talking to them. Right. So I kind of started seeing two parts of the picture or more than one of just like, wow, they can affect me negatively. was like, Hmm. People can also affect you positively. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:01.198)So back to your practical work and your books. And there’s a part in the book, and it’s in the beginning where you talk about to manifest, to create what we want. There’s also this, I’m paraphrasing here, this detoxing, healing that’s also so important because we’re saying we want something, but our underlying subconscious beliefs are blocking us. And then it’s not really working. Oliver Nino (17:27.413)Yes. Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:30.51)How would we even get started? What are some of really preliminary ways in which you would tell people, Is the unblocking first? Is the expanding? Is there a practice that does both? Oliver Nino (17:41.189)Right. so it’s a good example. Like some people that are like, you know, they might be like, I want to find love, like, you know, I want to find love and I want to just someone to love me and I want them to be healthy and I want them to be a happy relationship. Right. And then maybe one of their, their beliefs, conscious or unconscious is like, everyone’s going to hurt me. They can see me, they can hurt me. Right. Or it could even be like, I want to make more money. But then one of their beliefs that I heard from their parents is like, money’s a root of all evil or you’re lonely at top. Right. So To me, there’s these conflicting things. And a lot of the times, you you’d be surprised when somebody just sets an intention of like, you know, I don’t know what’s blocking me, right? But I want to release them. Anything that’s blocking me, anything that’s blocking me from more love of abundance, I’m ready to release them. When people set an intention, to me, it’s like the power of prayer. Like, and I’ve seen a lot of stories, you know, of it to where people… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:21.23)Mm. Oliver Nino (18:37.346)pray and they have strong intentions and then somebody has spontaneous healing or this miracle happens and they didn’t do any energy work other than prayer and intention, which to me is a form of energy work. When you’re sending an intention and a prayer, it’s not your illogical mind asking, it’s your soul making the request at the highest level. to me, it gets processed at higher levels. to me, You know, if you, if you want to change at times, you can just start with the intention of like, I don’t know what the next steps are, but I am open. And when things show up, I’ll take action on it. And you’d be surprised with how many people that that step alone starts this ripple effect of, of transformation and change, right? It doesn’t have to be, you know, you got to do this and this and this and that. I mean, that can come up, but to me, it all starts with the intention and decision that, you know, what I want to, I want my life to be better and I’m open for it to be better. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:29.518)Well, and it sounds so genuine the way you’re putting it, right? It’s sort of like I’m down on my knees. I know something’s not working. I really want my life to shift. It feels so heartfelt. Oliver Nino (19:39.217)It’s heartfelt. It’s surrender. It is surrender. is us being like, you know, I’m not going to use my mind to figure it out. I surrender it to a higher power or whatever people believe in. I’m just getting out of the way to let, you know, to be led. And to me, it’s one of the most powerful things I’ve seen cross culture, cross country, cross time is like power of intention and prayer. I mean, of course there’s a lot of other things people can do, but to me, that’s probably one of the most underrated things because it’s so simple. You know, we think we think we got to do 10 steps, but in reality, like my wife, the same thing to me, you know, when I met her, she was the master of intention and prayer, right? She, you know, in her life, she leaned on that a lot and it moved mountains for her. and to me, it’s one of the things to where people think, it’s step number one to me. can be, like, yeah, it’s that number one, but it can also be the only set that you do. I’ve seen people’s lives change. just that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:32.522)And do you think, like, you know, we’re talking about heartfelt, like, it’s kind of like superseding the mind, we’re going into the soul, that it’s not necessary for some, maybe for some it can be important, but to kind of delve into all the trauma and like understand or try to understand mentally all the things that happened. And I’m not saying bypass, but if you surrender and say, well, I know there’s all these blocks and I want to change my energy. Can you go that way? Oliver Nino (20:58.314)Yeah. I mean, to me,

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Dr. Erica, thank you so much for being here with us today and sharing some of your wisdom. Dr Erika (00:44.782)Kimberly, thank you for having me. It’s such a pleasure. kidding? I think you have accomplished just as much, if not more, than I have. So I think that’s pretty impressive. You’re impressive. And I’m really honored to be on your show. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:55.631)your energy is so beautiful, Dr. Erica. I can feel your heart. I can feel your authentic, really wanting to support, especially women. I feel like, you now, Dr. Erica, there’s so much discussion around hormones. When I think about my mom’s generation and my grandmother, especially in different parts of the world, you my mom’s side is from the Philippines. I feel like we didn’t talk about hormones that much. And now all of a sudden it’s sort of like everywhere. You’ve been talking about this for, wow, yeah. Dr Erika (01:30.798)30 years. So yes, it’s, you know what I say, I am thrilled to have lived long enough to see it happen. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:39.822)Yes. Dr Erika (01:39.886)because 30 years ago when I started working with hormones, people thought I had lost my mind. And I was like, no, all this data is wrong. Everything that they’re coming up with is wrong. And it was really rough. now it turns out that I have patients who’ve been with me for more than 30 years, that I’ve been taking hormones more than 30 years. And it turns out that it was the right thing. And it’s just… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:56.877)Wow. Dr Erika (02:04.82)unfair for these poor women who still suffering because the information is still missing. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:11.661)Yes. Well, let me ask you, Dr. Erica, let’s talk about some of this information because I know you’re a proponent of lifestyle as well and healthy food and exercise and all these aspects, which I want to talk about. But since, you know, the bioidentical hormones, is this something that we should pursue only when we start to feel adverse symptoms? Is it possible for many women to not feel those symptoms, to sort of glide through perimenopause and menopause? Dr Erika (02:21.07)Thank you. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:39.339)Or is it something that’s more your opinion proactive? Dr Erika (02:44.6)Kimberly, that’s such a great question. So this is the thing. I think that everybody should be on hormones. I think that when you go on hormones, depends on your own individual needs. I think that because there’s such confusing and mixed messaging coming around, but there’s more and more realistic stuff coming through. I think it depends on, you know, there are a lot of women who don’t even know that there are such things as symptoms around menopause. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:50.244)Mmm. Dr Erika (03:13.262)They don’t even know that that exists. So if you start having symptoms, by all means you should be on hormones. You should see a doctor or a provider, nurse practitioner, SPAs, they know how to provide services because they know how to take the bloods. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:13.646)Right. Dr Erika (03:32.438)evaluate you, you want to find somebody who cares about you, individual, the person, and who actually knows what they’re talking about. Because recently, there’s like a total on, you know, onslaught of Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:36.845)Yes. Dr Erika (03:49.464)hormone experts. And the truth is they’re not because they haven’t known about it long enough to know what do. You know, I teach at the American College of Anti-Aging Medicine, A4M, and we train a lot of doctors and a lot of providers. But the thing is, there’s still many, many more who need help. And in the conventional medical system, the medical education is completely zero on it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:54.945)Wait! Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:11.097)Right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:19.001)Wait. Dr Erika (04:19.408)no education, the North American Menopause Society, the menopause practitioners, they really are very, far behind. And I’ll give you an example that when this whole thing started in 2002 with that study that really put us behind the eight ball, was the, they sent out, and this is the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology in North America Menopause Society, where all women turned to, and I’m a conventional doctor, trained doctor and what they did is they sent out this like a pamphlet telling women that what you should tell your patients since you couldn’t give them hormones anymore was that they should wear layers they should stay in dark rooms Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:50.093)Yes. Dr Erika (05:12.078)It was so offensive to me because I was working with hormones already. I couldn’t believe it. But you have to think that this is where they’re coming from. And that was only in 2003. So you’re talking about 23 years, 22 years ago. So there’s a long way to go to get the information out to everybody and get the right information out. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:34.848)That study you’re referring to, doctor, was linking hormones to cancer, correct? Dr Erika (05:41.482)It was a study that did not use bioidentical hormones. They used a synthetic form of hormones that came from Franklin Horse’s urine. And that study said that came out stopped early because supposedly there was an increased incidence of breast cancer. in the study and strokes and, you know, strokes and blood clots. The truth is that the study was wrong. The women that were studied in the study were women that were older. They were more than 10 years after menopause. They were, a lot of them had pre-existing conditions, meaning like there were smokers, they had all kinds of other medical problems. So, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:19.567)Huh. Dr Erika (06:30.05)the study was just wrong. The fact that it was wrong, it just was wrong. And then what happened is that the principal investigators did take back the information, but unfortunately the media never covered that. So doctors never knew about it. The women never knew about it. And it took until in the past four or five years, 10 years maybe that Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:31.695)It was spewed. Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:45.827)Hmm. Dr Erika (06:58.344)Women are now talking about menopause, peri-menopause, they’re talking about hormones, and the information is very clear. And you know, the surgeon general and the FDA right now, they’re taking off the black box warning off of estrogens because there was no connection between taking estrogen and breast cancer and taking estrogen and getting ovarian cancer or whatever. It was just crazy. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:00.45)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:22.829)Great. Dr Erika (07:26.816)The truth behind it is that it was all about money and it was about Big Pharma having paid for the study that was supposedly the government sponsored study, but it wasn’t. It was Big Pharma paid for it. And Big Pharma paid for the hormones that they were using in the study. And then they thought that it was going to be the eternal, you know, the fountain of use, but it turns out that it wasn’t. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:36.047)Mmm. Dr Erika (07:54.198)It wasn’t even right because it was the wrong population. So anyway, make our long story short, they got scared because the last thing they wanted was for the public to know that it was the government had taken money from big pharma to conduct a study that wasn’t right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:14.937)So Big Pharma didn’t want women to know about bioidentical hormones so they could potentially sell other medications or aids for women to deal with the symptoms. Is that sort of the gist? Dr Erika (08:26.784)Right. So, yeah, that’s the gist because essentially, and this is the funny thing, know, women get antidepressants when they’re perimenopause. I mean, women take more antidepressants than anything else. And you think about it, are we missing antidepressants in our system? Well, I don’t think so. I bet you don’t think so. We don’t have antidepressants there. There are a lot of ways to get rid of the depression and Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:54.671)Great. Dr Erika (08:55.342)lifestyle being the number one that you talk about so eloquently and so correctly and Diet exercise stress management everything you talk about and talking about for 30 years So I agree with you a hundred percent and then hormones you missing hormones when the hormones start going out of whack Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:06.018)Yes. Dr Erika (09:17.878)That’s what you need to do is balance the hormones, not give women antidepressants and basically take them out of the workforce, take them out of society, make them basically unnecessary. It’s terrible. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:23.18)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:33.325)Let’s get a little specific, Dr. Erica, when you say hormones, you mentioned estrogen. Are we also talking about progesterone, testosterone? Dr Erika (09:42.306)Thyroid, adrenal, yes. We’re talking. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:44.495)So there’s a whole mix that you would have to meet with a doctor such as yourself to see what’s right for your body. Dr Erika (09:50.124)Well, I think it would be best to do that. People become their own doctors. you know, sometimes that’s not so bad, because I think that in the conventional world, we’re not helping our patients. You know, I have this book coming out, re-released actually, September 2nd, it’s called Don’t Let Your Doctor Kill You. And it’s the truth. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:57.465)right Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:07.524)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:15.915)What a great title. Dr Erika (10:17.886)Thanks. But you know, it’s coming back out and we’ve expanded. The first time it came out was like 10 years ago. And then we added COVID and AI and a lot of pieces to it and more stories. And the thing is that in the conventional world, you really don’t get the help you need. And women, and I think that one of the most important messages is you live in your own body. I don’t live in your body. The doctor doesn’t live in your body. So listen to your body, learn to listen. And once you listen to your body, then you can actually follow advice or not. It’s your decision. And in the conventional world, unfortunately, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:36.239)Mmm. Dr Erika (11:02.892)That decision is based on fear because it’s about intimidating the woman, scaring her into, my God, I might have cancer that I’m missing so I can have a million tests. But at the end of the day, nobody stops to see what’s going on inside. How could I improve my life because I live in here? So that’s kind of the goal. My goal is to eliminate fear. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:19.748)Wait. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:29.944)Yes. Dr Erika (11:30.08)and to empower women to learn as much as possible about themselves. And yes, you’re right. You do need a prescription for estrogen. You might not necessarily need a prescription for progesterone. You do need a prescription for testosterone, for thyroid, adrenal. You may not need a prescription because they’re supplements. But the thing is you want to work with someone who cares about you. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:52.587)Yeah, it’s just even hearing you say all these things, Dr. Erica, it just, I don’t know, for me, and I haven’t gone into this yet, it just feels like someone being their own doctor when hormones are so specific, that feels scary, like you’re just kind of prescribing to yourself. So let me ask you some specific, yes. Dr Erika (12:01.801)Yeah. Dr Erika (12:11.192)Well, can’t. You can’t prescribe for yourself. But if you understand how your body’s functioning, you’ll start living inside your body, right? That’s what you teach, is live inside your body. Be present, understand. Don’t react to the outside, react to the inside. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:24.749)Yes, be present. Dr Erika (12:32.593)then you can get right help because then you can, you’ll go to a doctor, let’s say, or some kind of provider and they say stuff that doesn’t make sense. You’re not going to be intimidated. You’re not going to be afraid. You’re not going to make a mistake of like, okay, I’m going to follow it. You’re going to say, well, that doesn’t make sense. Let me run. Go somewhere else. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:55.631)So Dr. Schwartz, I’m gonna ask you a three-part question. And if you forget one of them, don’t worry, we’ll go back. as you’re… Oh, sorry, sorry. I’m so sorry. Dr. Erica. Dr Erika (13:01.736)This is not much work, it’s my god. I’m just kidding. I just have people to call me like the shorts as much as I don’t like it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:10.959)Might sound so formal, right? We’re sisters here. Yes, yes. So three parts. Number one, which is a fear women have once you start taking the hormones, do you have to be on them for the rest of your life? So we’ll talk about timing a little bit, because I read something recently, you have to start before 60. Number two, the symptoms. Dr Erika (13:14.154)Yes, we are. We’re all one. We’re all one. That’s it. Dr Erika (13:21.463)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:37.453)that we keep referring to, if we could elaborate a little bit more about when we know something’s off. And number three, I’d love to know not just about alleviating symptoms, but potential further benefits, whether that’s protecting our bone health. Like you talked about mental health, physical health. So if we could go into those three more specific things, Erica, I’d love to hear. First one, do we have to be on hormones forever? Dr Erika (13:53.774)Great job. Dr Erika (14:00.302)Okay. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:06.593)timing wise, like some people may experience symptoms in perimenopause. Some people, I think my mother went through menopause in her mid-50s. Dr Erika (14:16.862)Yeah, that’s because you’re half Filipino. The Filipinos go into menopause later in general. But let’s answer. So first of all, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:20.184)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:25.752)Okay. Dr Erika (14:29.684)Yeah, you should stay on hormones forever because you want to stay young and healthy, right? It’s not about chronologic age. It’s about physiologic age. I’m 75. I don’t think my body looks or feels or I feel the same I felt when I was 40 only maybe 35 only I work a lot harder at it. You know what I mean? What I do Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:32.345)Got it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:42.702)Wow. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:54.721)Adrienne, it’s amazing. I mean, you look like you’re in your 40s. Dr Erika (14:58.674)I love you. you know what? They have that new app that my one of my grandchildren had and about what your age is, right? And you put it up and it said 48. It’s funny that you said that. That was the sweet. No, but I have to tell you. So yeah, if you stay on hormones, your chances of staying healthy and staying well. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:06.349)yeah, yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:10.18)Wow. Dr Erika (15:20.982)are much higher. So why would I ever stop hormones? I started at 46 and I can promise you, I will die with my taking hormones because look at how I feel, look at what happens. But it’s not just the hormones. We’ll talk about that. So anyway, so the other part of it is you don’t have to stay on hormones or anything forever. You could do whatever you want. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:36.856)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:52.152)Yeah. Dr Erika (15:55.146)And I mean, most of my patients are now 30. You start having symptoms of hormone imbalances as a teenager. When you get acne, when you first take the period, you get PMS, those are hormone imbalances. And they’re all very easily treated with very low dose progesterone, very low dose. And it’s really easy. So if you have somebody like my first book, The Hormone Solution, that… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:03.801)Right. Dr Erika (16:20.662)That’s what I wrote in it and that came out in 1999. think about, no, maybe 2002. So it’s so obvious that it’s a continuum, right? I mean, why don’t we address the fact that it’s a continuum and it’s okay. Yeah, go for it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:36.889)But Dr. Schwarz, now you’re talking about that young, what about worries with fertility if you start taking progesterone or messing with hormones, let’s say before you have your kids? Dr Erika (16:51.128)Kimberly, you’re not messing with them, I promise you, because what I’m gonna teach you is how to support your system. You know, when you’re messing with them is when you’re taking birth control pills. And when you take birth control pills, it suppresses everything and you’re creating a menopausal hormone levels, which is not okay, right? So when you’re taking progesterone, by the way, that’ll help with fertility. As a matter of fact, if you do IVF or something like that, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:02.539)Yes, which… Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:10.797)Yes. Dr Erika (17:20.172)they will give you additional progesterone. And most women who get pregnant that are under like really good medical care will take supplemental progesterone for up to 20 weeks of the pregnancy. So progesterone will never harm any future pregnancies. that’s… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:34.424)Really? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:38.979)Well, my doctors who were very, I just say conventional, never prescribed for my pregnancies. I never took any of that. Dr Erika (17:45.39)I think we should move you away from that. Yeah, I’m sure, but you know what? Maybe we should move away from that, because that didn’t work out well. It worked out well for you, but it doesn’t work out. I have patients right now, I have three patients who are in their 30s and they’re all three pregnant. And we have them all three couldn’t get pregnant, they were gonna do IVF. They wound up not doing IVF because we balanced their hormones. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:55.63)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:13.411)Wow. Dr Erika (18:13.632)And one of the things they got was progesterone. The other one was thyroid. The other one was DHE. But there are a lot of things you could do to help women get pregnant by balancing their hormones. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:18.142)yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:25.807)That’s amazing, doctor, and that gives people a lot of hope. Is there any downside to taking progesterone, let’s say that young, you start in your 30s for the next 60 years? Dr Erika (18:28.846)the end Dr Erika (18:34.094)No, no, no, you know what, but you take it when you need it. You take it like when you’re in need. Yeah, or you take it just like for PMS, you take it for four or five days before your period. That’s the only time you need it. So it’s not gonna stay in your system. It leaves your system. It goes away, goodbye, it doesn’t exist. So it just supports, it makes your system better. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:39.859)you cycle it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:46.703)Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:54.927)Wow. Dr Erika (18:59.106)You know what I mean? So that’s one thing. The other thing is, remember, when you think birth control pills, you’re putting women into menopause. So all this stuff. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:07.297)Yeah, I never did it, doctor. It always felt, for me, not the right choice. Dr Erika (19:12.396)Right. No, I agree with you. Me too. I agree. But women will take it because what other options do you have? I mean, I tell everybody to put an IUD and, without hormones. But the thing is, it’s really hard. And think about it. We, you need something. You don’t want to get pregnant anytime, really. So think about that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:35.819)There’s always good old, you know, we call pull and pray. Dr Erika (19:39.19)Yeah, pull and pray. The rhythm method, yes. There’s a lot of praying going on there. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:47.543)Not so exacting, yeah. Dr Erika (19:49.836)No, right. all right, so we’re still on number one. Okay, so number one was, can you take it forever? You should take it forever. If you don’t wanna take it, you could stop any time, and that’s what you were saying, right? You could stop any time. Nothing will happen because… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:53.358)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:00.109)Wow. Dr Erika (20:12.64)It goes out of your system within a few days. So within a few days, you go back to what your baseline is. So if you have symptoms, they’ll come back. If you don’t have symptoms, they won’t come back. The thing is that I have a lot of patients that I’ve encouraged over the years when they said, I don’t think I need it anymore. I don’t think this, you know, cause once you feel good, everybody thinks, I don’t need anything. So I will say stop taking them. And then within a month, a week, three weeks, three months, they’ll be back and they’ll say, okay, well, you know, what do you think? Now, to go to number three. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:50.533)wait, hold on, before we move on from number one, Dr. Erica, this is so interesting. Can I ask you one more detailed question? So sometimes you hear this, and I know it’s different sorts of compounds and hormones, know, with melatonin, for instance, what you take, you don’t make. So there’s, know, people are taking so much melatonin and then they get off it and then it sort of messes up their sleep. And I know it’s different for men. My husband was on testosterone. Dr Erika (20:56.128)You can ask me as many as you want. Dr Erika (21:07.982)Thank you. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:18.103)and then he tried to get off it, he got off it so we could get pregnant and then his levels went down because he was on it so long. So he had to get back on it. So what about this idea that, yeah, when your body gets used to not making something when you’re taking it. Dr Erika (21:34.786)But I’m not suggesting that we’re overriding the system. So melatonin, I’m not a big fan of, especially as you get older. Whereas the problem with melatonin is that we’ve been giving the dosing that you could get, that you buy from whatever stor

This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr. Caroline Leaf About Dr. Caroline Leaf In this engaging conversation, Kimberly Snyder interviews Dr. Caroline Leaf, a renowned neuroscientist and author, about her latest book, ‘Help in a Hurry.’ They explore the profound distinction between the mind and the brain, emphasizing the importance of understanding the non-conscious mind and its role in managing thoughts and emotions. Dr. Leaf shares practical tools for self-regulation, particularly in moments of stress and regret, and discusses the impact of our thoughts on our physical health. The conversation highlights the power of self-awareness and the ability to create positive energy in the world.   Guest Resources: Website: drleaf.com   New Book: Help in a Hurry: Simple Tips for Finding Peace When You’re Overwhelmed, Anxious, or Stressed   Social Media: @drcaolineleaf   Episode Sponsors: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription.      GLOWING GREENS POWDER OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use the CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order.   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Caroline Lee and Her Work 02:53 The Mind vs. The Brain: Understanding the Distinction 06:00 The Non-Conscious Mind: Tapping into True Self 08:48 The Role of Thoughts in Shaping Reality 12:05 The Tree Analogy: Visualizing Mind and Brain Connections 15:00 Managing Emotions and Patterns for Mental Strength 18:00 Practical Tools for Overcoming Emotional Challenges 20:47 Conclusion: Integrating Techniques for Mind Management 23:05 The Power of 63 Seconds 24:58 Self-Regulation Techniques for Emotional Control 27:46 Understanding and Managing Regret 30:08 Practical Tools for Emotional Clarity 32:50 Breathing Techniques for Stress Relief 35:38 The Camera Technique for Perspective 38:41 Harnessing Personal Power for Positive Change 44:57 Introduction to Intimacy and Sexuality Coaching 46:42 The Power of Partnership in Coaching 49:05 Dismantling Masks and Embracing Vulnerability 52:49 Body Image and Sexual Confidence 55:45 Cultivating Erotic Energy and Self-Expression 58:29 The Connection Between Sexual Energy and Overall Wellness 01:01:08 Healing from Shame and Cultural Beliefs 01:04:30 Daily Practices for Sexual Energy and Connection 01:07:32 Navigating Pornography and Intimacy in Relationships 01:08:00 Exploring Intimacy Through Pornography 01:09:03 The Connection Between Vulnerability and Sexuality 01:12:47 Overcoming Blocks to Sexual Energy 01:16:52 The Evolution of Sexual Desires Over Time 01:20:14 Understanding Trauma and Fantasy in Sexuality 01:24:40 Empowerment Through Self-Connection and Healing   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Kimberly Snyder (00:00.75)Hi everyone, welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited to have back on our show, sitting right next to me, the amazing, brilliant, beautiful Dr. Caroline Lee, who I love so much. I love you so She’s one of my favorite authors, one of my favorite people, a dear friend of mine. She also happens to be a researcher, communication pathologist, audiologist, am I saying that right? Yes, you are. Author of how many books now? 19. 19, 24 languages. my gosh. I’m getting goosebumps. I have read so many of Dr. Carolyn’s books, but when I read this new one, which is out now, by the time we’re listening to this, help in a hurry, simple tips for finding peace when you’re overwhelmed, anxious or stressed. I said, Carolyn, this is your best book. thank you. That’s really a lot coming from you. Thank you. Well, I it was a lot of love and emotion. I felt like it was written. in connection with what’s so needed now. And I love how you make it simple, but really practical and really powerful and based as a researcher. What I love about you is you’re full of heart and that’s a very rare combination. Thank you. think, you know, often what I feel, I’m a clinical research neuroscientist as well. And my field is psychoneurobiology and that’s really heavy science. Right. But that’s where I find my spirituality. And people often ask, you know, are they die quite? They almost sound like a dichotomy, but they’re not because they’re two sides of the same coin. the more when you see science and you see how incredible things work, how the mind changes the brain and the field that you cannot know that there’s more than just this physical time, this little bit of time that being on physical bodies and that soul is just so much bigger than unconscious mind is just so much bigger. There’s just so much more. And it’s so important that we know how to manage our mind because it’s such a responsibility. You know, one of the things that you talk about in this book that really stood out to me is how you really make the distinction that the mind is not the physical brain. Yes, that is that is so important. Because a lot of people say it’s synonymously. Well, that’s the thing. And that’s been a 40 year journey. So basically in the 80s, the mind and the brain were still spoken about separately. So up until about the 80s, it was mind and brain. But they didn’t believe that the brain could change. I’ve been in this field 40 years now. I’m 61. Kimberly Snyder (02:27.382)So I’m old now. Don’t feel old. Yeah, you’re ageless. As Yogananda says, your energy and your vitality and just your skin, like everything just shows how this, you know, biological age or, know, chronologically is not our reality. I agree with you. We can. And we know epigenetics. I mean, there’s so much that’s influenced by, you know, your living this work. It’s coming through your heart. managing your mind, which controls so much stress. And here you are. Thank you. It’s well, I’ve had some of the research you’ve done works on telomeres and yes, the telomere research up until quite recently said that you can’t change telomeres over shorter than a five year time period. And generally with exercise and, and diet and that kind of thing. And so I saw Lisa Apple, is Elizabeth Blackburn and Lisa Apple I’ve interviewed, they, the leaders in telomere research and they started talking about maybe my meditation may change telomeres and so on. So I well, let me do a clinical trial, add a component in where we teach mind management. let’s see, because mind management, the whole system that I’ve developed around mind management includes meditation and preparing the brain and all those kinds of things and preparing the neurophysiology. And then it goes further into mind management techniques. And we show that you can change your telomeres in nine weeks, which is wow, and it’s significantly and your telomeres are the things that respond to your mind, your mind does everything. And they basically telomeres are, are needed for other ends of chromosomes. And that’s what we need to make cells. And we make 800,000 to a million new cells every second. And those, the ability to make those cells is based on telomeres, but the ability, the thing that makes the telomeres work are our thoughts. the energy from our thoughts, So we are not managing our mind and our thoughts are chaotic. We send chaotic energy through to the telomeres and this is science. This is not anything weird. is pure science. Science and spirituality are the same thing. Yeah, I love this. They’re the same thing. And that energy from our thoughts is going to influence how the telomeres function and how the telomeres function determines how your cells are formed, which is how your organs are formed and your systems and therefore physically how we function. And that’s why Kimberly Snyder (04:44.194)mind is not the brain. mean, the brain is simply a host. We need to think in a particular model here. The is simply a host and our body is a host to something much bigger. And that is the word that is, I use the word mind because it’s been used for thousands of words by so many ancient spiritual wisdom. And in current day science, we use mind. incorrectly, it tends to be used, and not all scientists, but it tends to be used synonymously with the brain. But the brain is not the mind. The brain is a physical organ. It weighs around about three and half pounds. And it is when you die, your brain just disintegrates. When your heart stops within 10 seconds, your brain flatlines. And all the energy then reverses. the minute that your heart stops, there’s no energy flowing through the physical anymore. And that energy is your mind. So when we Physically when our body dies physically our energy moves out and what is that energy? That’s your mind So your mind drives your psychology So it’s your your intelligence your ability to love your personality your preferences how you see life how you have this conversation your choices that is mind and then the brain is the host that Hosted so it’s simply a host It responds to the brain. I mean, sorry, it responds to the mind. So the brain responds to the mind. makes sense. it’s only one percent. The brain and body are one percent. The mind is infinite energy. And when we’re on this earth in this physical body, our mind can’t even encapsulate all of our brain can’t even encapsulate all of the mind because the mind is too big. So we have a big portion called the non conscious mind. You in not unconscious, unconscious is when you’re asleep or in anesthesia. Or yoga would call the true self. The non-conscious would be the true self. The non-conscious is the true self. So the unconscious is a sleep state. the non, that would be your true self. The non-conscious is your deepest spiritual wisdom. where every experience you have all day long is absorbed and every memory that you’ve ever had, that’s where it is. And that’s the part of you that drives you. It’s an energy force that is connected to the source of energy, whatever you believe that is. Kimberly Snyder (07:00.832)everyone, God, whether it’s God, the source, the universe, whatever you believe, we, there’s more than just us, but us, the true Kimberly, the true Caroline is in the non-conscious. And in the non-conscious, it’s infinite beyond space and time, so fast that it’s faster than 400 billion actions per second, way faster than the speed of light. And it basically generates electromagnetic fields. the heart field, the heart field, So their heart field is coming from the non-conscious. The non-conscious puts that into the heart. And the heart is basically generating from the non-conscious, generating the true self. You know, it’s so amazing about this, work and the science and what we talked about with my last book on your podcast. Yes, your beautiful book. Is how, you know, this managing the mind that you give such practical tips about is so important because if we’re in reactivity, If we’re in our old memories all the time and just reacting in patterns, it keeps us from being that true self. keeps us from living with love and kindness and compassion because we’re sort of in survival, you know, just these states. We are, we are. And I can, and I can describe that. can give you the simple science explanation. That’s okay. bouncing off what you’ve just said now of your first question, the difference between mind and the brain. So they talk about the mind for a moment and then they this question. So the mind, then we’ve got the non-conscious level and then you’ve got the conscious level and in between you’ve got the subconscious. So it’s non-conscious, subconscious and conscious. Conscious is tiny. It’s messy. It’s chaotic. It’s where we make our decisions. It’s very powerful because it’s where we make our decisions. We can choose to do the work of change. We can choose to love. We can choose to hate. We can choose to… our non conscious has no no hatred, pure love, and it’s pure wisdom. And everything we need is inside the non conscious. Yes. And that we’ve got to learn to tap into it. Now the subconscious is like a waiting room. So what the non conscious does a true self is going through all of our experiences, which become memories inside thoughts. So every experience is broken down into memories and encapsulated into a thought. And that’s what’s in the non conscious, all these thoughts, which are all our experiences that we’ve had. Plus, Kimberly Snyder (09:19.448)from whatever your belief system or everything about you, which could be include all kinds of things that pass. Every thought is stored somewhere. Every single thought that you have, every experience becomes a thought. Every thought is stored in the non conscious and the non conscious then basically process it’s received by the conscious mind. So the experience is received by the conscious mind and the non conscious mind at the same time. But the conscious mind is very limited. can only, for example, the conscious mind can only handle one. conversation at a time. The non conscious can handle an infinite number of conversations. So when as we sitting here, we having one conversation, that’s what the conscious mind is dealing with. But the non conscious or non conscious is absorbing everything else, the energy, the everything in this room, all the things that you’re going through, the things that I’m going through, the connection, but all the things that are unseen, right, which is most things unseen by the physical. Exactly. And Dr. Kailin, this is like again, with the third eye. It’s like the vision opens up perception. Exactly. That’s exactly. So that’s what the non-conscious, that third eye, that wisdom, that spiritual part of us, that is on our side. And it looks through at the patterns that we’ve chosen to make with our conscious mind into habits, the way we’ve chosen a thought pathway and we haven’t dealt with something. And they get strengthened. And it gets strengthened and it goes into the non-conscious, but the non-conscious sees it as like a wound. So then it tries to, it basically grabs that and puts it into the subconscious. And then the subconscious, because it’s much slower than the non-conscious, it’s at some interim level. the non-conscious subconscious then sends messages to the conscious mind via our emotions, how we feel in our body, which they are coming from the, the heart generates signals, our behaviors, our perceptions, that to grab our attention. And when we pay attention to those signals, then we can start tuning back into the wisdom of the non conscious mind. And then it influences eventually the consciously how we’re behaving, we’re behaving, loving, loving. Exactly. So if we, if we exactly, so if we learn to listen to those signals and we learn to listen to the messages of the non conscious mind, which identifies these disrupt the most disruptive thought in the moment in our lives in order and puts them into the subconscious is around about the subconscious can hold about Kimberly Snyder (11:40.75)four to seven of these disruptive thoughts. Also what’s good thoughts in that you, that’s non-conscious minds want you to think about because gratitude and joy and those great experience because those increase your resilience. So that subconscious is holding those and then the subconscious as I said, send signals to get your attention. Now what we need to do as humans is we need to listen to those signals so that we grow the good thoughts because it increases our resilience and helps us to get stronger in our base, which is our non-conscious. And then we function at a high level and it wants us to break down, deconstruct and reconstruct the toxic thoughts. If we don’t, if they go into and we ignore the signal or we hear the signal, but we just stay in that same pattern, it goes back stronger into the non-conscious than before. And then we feel worse because now it’s this boil in the non-conscious. It’s not right. It’s not right. It’s this kind of thing. Oh yeah. love that. The tree is awesome. If you guys are listening to this, please check out the YouTube as well. to see these amazing tools that Dr. Caroline has brought, which really bring the work to life. I love analogies, I love physical. So tell us about the tree. So basically, as I said, the brain is 1%. The brain and body are 1%. The mind is 99%. So the 99 % brain, which has these three levels, conscious, subconscious, non-conscious, is energy. It’s electromagnetic and gravitational fields and quantum energy and whatever. When we do something like an EKG of your heart or an ECG when you do QEEG in the brain, when you have a sonogram when you’re pregnant, if you have MRI, all of those machines, that technology is just measuring the mind. So the mind is the thing that not only is your psychology, your ability to love, feel, intelligence, personality, preferences, it’s also the thing that runs your heart and your brain. So it runs your physiology. So it does two things, the mind, it runs your physiology. which is your body and it runs your brain, which is your body and it runs your psychology. It’s you. And so what we’re supposed to do is we are supposed to listen to the non-conscious, but we can ignore the messages of the non-conscious via the subconscious because the non-conscious puts the messages, the four to seven top priorities into the subconscious. And if we ignore them, then we’re going to get worse. We’re not going to get stronger. to, so before I explain these to you, you had your one question was we get stuck in these patterns. Kimberly Snyder (14:03.662)So when you say stronger, mean mentally stronger, like physically stronger and mentally stronger. they get, and I’m going to explain that whole route exactly. I’m going to give you a really strong visual leading to this visual, but you asked a question earlier on. want to make sure that I answer that and link it all into this. You mentioned about how we can get stuck in those patterns. Notice how we both did this with our fingers. That’s so accurate because the conscious mind is kind of up here and the non-conscious mind is. everywhere. subconscious, the non-conscious mind is, mean, the non-conscious mind is massive. It’s, it’s, it’s this field all around us. It’s the crown chakra, like everyone. It’s almost like a big, we’ve got a biofield and it’s connected to the universe. The conscious mind is a tiny little part of it and the conscious mind is only awake when you’re awake. The subconscious is this bridge in between. So conscious mind can handle one conversation, subconscious can handle about four to seven conversations. When I say conversation, it’s in really common, it’s a thought. and then non conscious infinite. Okay. So that’s all energy. And then that energy of the three minds then uses the brain and the body so that we can be in life, that we can talk to each other, that we can eat and live and be physical. So what the mind does, the non conscious mind working with the conscious mind is it takes an experience or conversation now. And that’s a whole bunch of energy. And it grabs the details of the energy and builds it into like a little thought pattern that looks like a cloud. So imagine around me or around you, those that are listening, that there’s a circle of energy around you. If you stretch your arms out, this is kind of the circle all around you. That’s your mind and it’s around and through you, even in your toes and in your fingers, the mind is all of it. And so that mind and that’s composed of the three different levels. Okay. The conscious being small and awake when you’re awake, the unconscious, infinite subconscious in between. So this conversation comes in as words, those words cluster together to form thoughts. Those thoughts are like clouds. So imagine all these clouds around me. Those are all my experiences that are happening currently. And then what the mind does is it takes the thought that first the information comes in, it builds the cloud, and then it makes a photocopy, copies, and it puts it into the brain. And then the brain as an energy force. Kimberly Snyder (16:21.29)little cluster of energy force. So it’s a copy. So it’s still in the mind. There’s still the cloud floating around, but a copy of it’s put into the brain. And that causes a reaction in the brain, a chemical, neurochemical, genetic, and a tree is formed, a tree like network. So we talk about net, sorry, we talk about networks. Yes. So this is a protein network. So our words now are clouds in the mind. and copies are being made at 400 million actions per second into a tree in the brain. there’s infinite trees in your brain, infinite trees in your brain, because you’re going to infinite trees in your mind. And so there’s, and there’s, so the brain just hosts and it just creates these networks. So this is as a tree has roots, lots of roots, and it has lots of branches. So our conversation, we’re saying lots of words, like each little branches, like a word or a phrase or a concept. So as we keep adding more and more and more, By end of our conversation, we’ll have maybe two or three thousand words that we’ve spoken or concepts we’ve spoken. They’re all going to build into this tree. But what we say is the root. What we say and the listeners and viewers, are taking that into what our words become the root and the branches of their interpretation of what we’re saying, because their mind filters what we’re saying to their unique tree. So everyone listening is building. So this is what it looks like inside the brain. So the cloud in the mind and then it’s net copy into the brain and it’s connected. Then then the mind then makes copies of this and puts it in every cell of the body as a tiny little hedge. So take this and squish it up into a little hedge and inside the inside every cell and you have 37 to 100 trillion cells in our brain and between our brain and our body. And there’s a copy in the brain. It looks like a tree in the body. It looks like a little hedge. So every thought, every single, well, Dr. Kiran, it’s crazy. also one of the things that I’ve always felt intuitively, and we talked about here before is really managing what you’re taking in. Like, our uvata says digestion is the senses, right? So who you’re following on social media, the news you’re watching, everything is affecting these trees. It all goes into that minefield. Right. And it’s all forming clouds. and that’s the conscious mind is not very good at filtering. Kimberly Snyder (18:29.186)That’s why the conscious mind needs the non-conscious and the conscious mind is like a toddler. You’ve got young children. Imagine if you just didn’t watch your children. They’ve hurt themselves. They would burn themselves. They would get up to all kinds of things. That’s what our conscious mind does. So when we get stuck, our conscious mind doesn’t listen to the subconscious or the non-conscious. It’s just doing its thing. just So it’s taking the social media. It’s taking the toxic thoughts. It’s taking the experiences. It’s taking the arguments. It’s taking the politics. It’s taking whatever. And those clouds are not beautiful clouds. They’re ugly stormy rain clouds. And it’s making those ugly stormy. So instead of this, it’s building this. Right. And then those are the hedges in the body. And now that’s counter to our mind, brain, body connection because we want it for love. So we have a worldwide web between the clouds of our mind, the trees of our brain and the hedges in our souls. It’s a network. So every experience is in the mind, brain and entire body. So it’s not your brain that’s doing anything. Right. It’s just the host. It’s all of it. So that’s that and that process is happening all the time. And your brain and your body is plastic, which means it can change. Yeah. So if you’ve got these in your brain, the good news is that you can change them and that’s neuroplasticity and you can direct that change. And so everybody listening to this, what Dr. Carol was saying, it looks like this, it’s this ugly sort of gray. Worry. Right, that’s, know, again, these, what we say in terms of the heart, incoherence, just feeling like you’re not really connected to your, you’re not living your truth, you’re not living in love, there’s a lot of fear, there’s a lot of sadness. In the book, you actually write down topics, which is what I love how practical this book is, you talked about, you kn

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Kate O’Donnell Summary: Kimberly interviews Kate O’Donnell, an Ayurvedic practitioner and author, about the principles of Ayurveda and its application in modern life. They discuss the timeless nature of Ayurvedic practices, the importance of food energetics, and how to incorporate these principles into busy lifestyles. Kate shares practical tips for balancing the doshas, the significance of digestion in overall wellness, and how to cook with spices to enhance health. The conversation emphasizes the connection between food, consciousness, and self-care, making Ayurveda accessible to everyone.   About Kate O’Donnell is the author of three Ayurvedic Cookbooks, including The Everyday Ayurveda Guide to Self-Care, The Everyday Ayurveda Cookbook: A Seasonal Guide to Eating and Living Well and Everyday Ayurvedic Cooking for a Calm, Clear Mind: 100 Sattvic Recipes. She is a nationally certified Ayurvedic Practitioner and the founder of the Ayurvedic Living Institute. Kate began to travel in South India at age 20. More than a dozen extended trips to India and twenty years studying the wisdom traditions of the sub-continent support Kate’s practice of Ayurveda. She also specializes in Ayurvedic education, cooking skills, and cleansing programs, offering on-line programs, occasional in-person workshops on the road, and professional trainings. Her offerings aim to help others come closer to their true nature.   Guest Resources: Website: Kate O’Donnell Book: The Everyday Ayurveda Cookbook: A Seasonal Guide to Eating and Living Well   EPSIODE SPONSORS: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription.    FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. 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Kate ODonnell (00:39.681)It’s my pleasure, Kimberly. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:42.178)You know, there’s so many things that I’m excited to chat with you about. Arivada is one of my favorite subjects. But I just want to say congratulations for having this amazing book and reiterating it and re- you creating it. But the foundation, just like Arivada has been around for thousands of years. And I love how timeless this is, you know, in a world that’s always sort of grasping for the next pill or the next fad or what can we do that’s, you know, we’re missing something. I love that this is taking us to the roots and keeping it again, really simple, foundational for busy working moms like myself and busy people in general. And yeah, so it’s just, I love that, you know, this rebirthing of something that’s so timeless. Kate ODonnell (01:37.039)Me too. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. It’s something that for myself, you know, there were so many fads as I was growing up, you know, and I sort of started a vegetarian diet when I was 16. I was on my own there trying to figure out what to eat in my family home. So I took an interest in cookbooks and learning about cooking and it just Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:45.431)Yeah. Kate ODonnell (01:58.659)There was so much information, and it’s even more so now. And so when I found Ayurveda and I was already a yoga practitioner, and I thought, this makes so much sense. It all goes together, and it’s all thousands of years old, so they’re not going to change their mind in five years about whether avocados are good for me or not. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:09.079)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:18.094)Well, it’s funny because I was reading your book and I loved how because, you know, there’s many different ways to use Ayurvedic principles and to interpret them. But you mentioned that you don’t use a lot of onions and garlic because they’re so rajastic. And if I look back in my books, Kate, because I had a food focus on my first three and then still, you know, as it continues to evolve spiritually and emotionally, there’s still always been that cornerstone of food. But my second book, which is called the Beauty Detox Foods, had onions and garlic in so many recipes. And I was freeing myself from calorie counting and I was working on digestion. And it was at that moment after that book was published, I started studying Arubato myself. And then if you look at all the recipes I created after that, there isn’t a lot of onions and garlic because while some of us may need some of that extra, you know, oomph, a lot of us in this modern world living in urban centers, having a lot of overstimulation. I found in myself how much it supported me in feeling centered, which is a testament to how powerful food is as a medicine when we realize it really, every food has an energetic quality to it. Kate ODonnell (03:37.431)Right, right. And onion and garlic are the, sort of feed our excitability and our passions, which can be a good thing if we’re channeling it well. But I think your point, Kimberly, is that we are all pretty excited already. So maybe we don’t need foods with those qualities. And it’s not to say that onion and garlic is not included in the pharmacopoeia of Ayurveda. mean, it’s there. It’s absolutely part of the diet. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:44.108)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:54.176)Exactly. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:02.86)Right. Kate ODonnell (04:05.793)It’s just about having that knowledge of when we want to eat more of that and when we want to eat less of that. What I was finding is that so many of my students didn’t know how to cook without using onion and garlic as the flavor foundation. Right? So that was what I was trying to like, how do we flavor our food without using those like every single time we cook something? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:12.812)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:21.548)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:29.986)Yes. And what I love, so your book has a lot of information about Ayurveda in the beginning, and then it goes into the recipes. And what I love about Ayurveda and how it’s presented here as well is it’s not, you know, hard, rigid rules. It feels nourishing when you even read about Ayurveda, the seasonality, the balancing of energy. Can you just explain, you know, from your standpoint, Kate, just you know, your approach to Ayurveda and how it can help someone who’s already really busy, but just start to bring in a deeper level of, I’ll say, self-care. Kate ODonnell (05:12.845)Right, by I think putting some of our attention on the energetics of our food. So that’s where Ayurveda’s so much information, like in the early part of the text about the energies of foods, whether they make us hot or cold, whether they slow us down or sort of make us lighter and faster. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:34.989)Yes. Kate ODonnell (05:36.565)And so we sort of the average person with a little bit of that knowledge, you know, like we already talked, brought up onions and garlic, right? So onions and garlic, they’re, they’re hot. You know, they get you moving. They get you excited. They get you passionate. They’re great for libido. That’s one of the ways we might use them. They’re great for kicking colds. That’s why so many of our medicines will use onions and garlic. But if somebody is feeling overheated or having trouble falling asleep or is feeling really irritable, maybe we want to reduce onion and garlic at that time. So with a little bit of the knowledge of how a food affects the body, then you know. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:52.034)Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:56.792)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:05.208)Right. Yes. Kate ODonnell (06:20.045)And it’s not to say, you know, I think what we want to do so much of the time, Kimberly is, you know, what is Ayurveda say about almonds? Are they, are they a yes or a no? You know, and it’s, it’s all, the answer is always, well, this is what almonds will do in a body. Is that what you need or is that not what you need? And so we can gravitate towards things that we need and away from things that we don’t at any given time. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:38.423)Great. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:44.194)Yes, and I love, know, everybody is so unique and everybody’s Agni, their digestion is unique, their blueprint is different and their goals are different. So I remember at a certain point, Kate, I was actually a raw foodist for a couple of years and it worked really well for me for a time. And then I was learning about Argue Veda and then I was like, you know what works really well for me almost every night for dinner, my family eats, you know, we have a lot of Kate ODonnell (06:47.236)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:11.816)soup and stews and very warming foods. But what works really well for me and has for years is to have the glowing green smoothie in the morning. Now I still have my hot water with lemon and ginger first. I don’t drink it super cold. I drink it room temperature. And my Ayurvedic teacher, Vidya J, actually prescribes green smoothies. And he also says don’t drink them too cold. So there is this flexibility. because life is infinite that I really appreciate about Ayurveda where you can take it to match your own constitution. And, you know, whilst Ayurveda says, you know, eat mostly raw foods in the spring, if something’s working and you’re adding other elements to help digestion, you know, for me, I noticed in my body and many others having raw foods and cooked foods can still work really well. Kate ODonnell (08:02.999)Right, right. Yeah. And this is one of those examples where people might hear some rule, you know, like Ayurveda says, don’t eat raw food, which is not true, but Ayurveda will say that raw food may be harder to digest. So going into it, you know, if it say it’s a time where we’re really stressed out or we’re really busy or we’re grieving, you know, so the, all the body’s prana, you know, our energy may not be present for the digestion. So during a time like that, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:12.706)Great. Kate ODonnell (08:31.265)Maybe we have soup, you know, instead of a raw thing, you know, and smoothies are, you know, again, you hear that Ayurveda says no smoothies, you know, but honestly, if we, if we go back in time to the beginning of the word smoothie, smoothies always had yogurt and bananas in them and ice cream. Do you know, do you remember that when the smoothie first became a thing? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:33.868)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:54.898)well then there’s like, you know, Jamba Juice and these smoothie king and places that have a lot of unhealthy ingredients. I thought you were gonna say, Kate, smooth because it’s blended in effect. is pre-digested. So it’s not like trying to break up these really huge raw leaves in your body, you know, in that sense. Kate ODonnell (08:59.119)Yep. Kate ODonnell (09:16.727)Exactly. That’s so true. It’s so true. I, you if you look at my books, you’ll find a lot of smooth recipes. Like I do a lot of blender soup. It’s the same idea, you know? So if a person’s taking greenery that is very voluminous when it’s in its raw form and we sort of, you know, we churn it, you know, we grind it down in a smooth form, you’re definitely going to find that the absorption and the bioavailability of the nutrition there is like, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:24.269)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:32.897)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:38.967)Yes. Kate ODonnell (09:45.901)tenfold of what it is if you’re sitting there chewing and chewing, trying to get all this voluminous leaf, you know, into your gut in a, cause once the food goes into your belly, it turns into that liquid, you know. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:58.12)Right, exactly. Exactly. And again, a lot of people in the modern world aren’t chewing well enough or eating or taking the time to even put aside, you know, I’m guilty of it myself. I’m pointing to my desk because there’s times where I do have to, you know, I drop the kids off at school and only have so many hours until I pick them up and bring them to activities. So I try not to eat while I’m working. But That’s where smoothies have also helped me as well. just, I bless my food, I try. But the truth is none of us are going to be perfect all the time. So we wanna have the knowledge. We wanna utilize some of these seasonal practices and spices, but it’s not about being perfect. Kate ODonnell (10:44.489)Not at all. Not at all. It’s so funny when I hang out with my Ayurveda friends, someone will pull out something crazy. Yeah, someone will have, let’s say, a big smoothie with bananas in it. And they’re like, this is so delicious. And someone will say, well, you have a good ugliness. You can handle it. Because we take good care of ourselves. That what we want to indulge, we’re up to the task. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:02.434)Wait. Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:09.059)Yeah. Kate ODonnell (11:10.317)You know, and I think that’s important that we, you put all this money in the bank every time you do self care for your digestion. And then sometimes you want to do a withdrawal, you know, take some of that money out and enjoy. So it’s like, I’ll have cheesecake or something. And before I was working with Ayurveda and really working on my digestion, I went through many years where I couldn’t eat that stuff. You know, I couldn’t eat like a big dessert or ice cream Sunday or something. I can totally eat that now. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:22.893)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:33.517)Yeah. Kate ODonnell (11:38.807)I don’t crave it like I used to. still don’t eat it much because it doesn’t sound good. But if I wanted to, I would process that. And I have confidence in my body’s ability to digest whatever goes in. And that’s because of all the good work. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:49.164)Wait, wait. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:58.526)One, the other thing I love about Arjuveda is it takes it out of this reductionist approach, which is how many grams of protein are we eating, calories, no sugar. And a lot of the recipes are using some of these really classic Arjuvedic ingredients. For example, I love the, know, the OJUS building with dates and ingredients with, know, recipes with dates, which was, you know, when I gave birth. To my sons, I had a lot of those date smoothies to just build up again. Honey, we actually have a little farm in Hawaii, Kate. I have honey almost every day now, raw honey, just a little bit, which works really well for me. So for me, getting out of the numbers, which feel really restrictive and understanding that, again, we’re energy and food is energy, is really powerful healing because I think we get led away from what’s truly well, if we’re just trying to pack in the protein, having all the, you know, the processed bars all day and the protein products, and now we’re not really getting nourished with nature. Kate ODonnell (13:09.249)I agree. I agree. It’s like the further that our food comes from nature, the further we each come from our own nature. That’s the Ayurveda teaching. And so the more that we are connected to food in its natural form, you know, so taking like, you know, a bunch of kale and putting it in the blender and making a smoothie out of it, that works because it’s still kale, you know? And I think Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:18.125)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:32.291)Yeah. Kate ODonnell (13:35.447)We’re outsourcing what we’re doing with the numbers is we’re outsourcing our consciousness. You know, we’re not inhabiting our body and saying, I just ate that. How did that feel? saying, I just ate that. had this much protein. So that means it’s good. You know, so it’s an awareness practice of the body. And that’s where we get our information from. It’s not something someone else is feeding us from the outside. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:47.266)right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:51.404)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:02.882)Well, I love this quote. Speaking of that reminds me of a quote that I underlined on page six, which is good digestion results not only in a glowing healthy body, but in a glowing consciousness as well. And I think what’s so powerful about yoga, Ayurveda, just the whole lifestyle is that we recognize that everything affects everything else. So I did start very heavily focused on food in my wellness journey and became a nutritionist. But then it was like, wow, questioning old ideas, trauma coming up, feeling my feelings, emotional wellness, emotional resiliency, spiritual growth, all these amazing things happened. And I don’t think Kate, unless I had really cleaned up my digestion and started really nourishing myself, I’m not sure I would. be where I am today and I’m really grateful for that. So can you talk a little bit about that line because we know digestion is food of course, but it’s also senses and everything else and this consciousness that you’re talking about. Kate ODonnell (15:13.847)Yeah. I think it’s one of the places where, you know, something you and I have in common is we’re both very much involved in yoga as well. You know, it’s like the yoga of food. So I was practicing yoga for years before I got into Ayurveda, but I started to think like, and I noticed as a teacher as well that the foods my students were eating weren’t really supporting the yoga. You know, a lot of the. At that time I was in Boston. Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:21.079)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:37.774)Where do you teach, Okay. Kate ODonnell (15:43.585)Yeah. I was, you know, and it was like a daily, I was there every day with the students and I was just like, wow. So we’re doing this practice that is to sort of evolve the state of the consciousness in the body, through the body, you know, where we’re working towards being our, the true self, you know, we want that Purusha, that true self to shine. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:59.276)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:05.165)Yes. Kate ODonnell (16:08.695)And so when the body is bogged down, this is something we’ll hear from yoga as well as Ayurveda that when we’re bogged down with sort of a sickness or a stagnation or any kind of imbalance in the body, it’s like a crutch, know, or it gets in the way. It’s like a wrench in the gears of our evolution. And that really spoke to me because I thought, this makes, this is so great because I’m very practical person. I thought, well, I’m eating. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:30.231)Yes. Kate ODonnell (16:38.551)all the time anyway, so this may as well support the yoga, know, the, the, the evolution and what I really feel is like the purpose of life. Like I want my food to feed into and be a part of that journey, you know, towards being a fuller person, you know, a fuller expression. So the, that’s what I found in Ayurveda is that the, because the food in, in the, the food builds the body and the body is the microcosm of Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:43.18)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:54.616)Mm. Kate ODonnell (17:07.811)the macrocosm. So the idea is that, you know, nature and the world around us that nourishes us and that supports us is composed of the same building blocks as the body. So I’m just like a figment, you know, I’m made of the same stuff as that cloud, that tree, that squirrel. So when I eat food that comes from nature that I can recognize as natural, you know, it didn’t come out of a pill or Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:09.378)Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:22.979)Yes. Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:34.571)Yes. Kate ODonnell (17:37.795)You know, so it’s a piece of nature that comes into my field. You know, I’m looking at it, I’m smelling it, I’m tasting it. You know, I’m engaging with it in the same way that I would sit on a mountain top and enjoy the view. Like, I am truly like that about my food. It’s like a sacred experience when I am with it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:54.317)Yes. Kate ODonnell (18:00.215)And so I’m engaging all the senses. I’m smelling it and I’m feeling the different textures, whether it’s smooth or hard, crunchy. So I’m engaged with all that. So my whole consciousness is absorbed in the activity of being one with nature in that time while I’m eating. And then when the food goes into the body, it’s transmuted by the fire element. Just like when you’ve Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:17.294)Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:25.248)Yes. Yes. Kate ODonnell (18:30.063)practice yoga and you get this little, you know, sometimes the fire comes on and you get this little pocket of a release, you know, or a little flame is, is like ignited in your core. It’s the same thing with the food, you know, it meets the fire element in the body. And then the, that nature from out there is transmuted and becomes the tissue of my body. And so I become one with nature. And according to both yoga and Ayurveda traditions, that’s actually what we’re going for. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:54.456)Mmm. Kate ODonnell (18:59.597)That’s like, that’s the state of fulfillment, santosha, happiness. And so the denaturing of the self, you know, it’s happening to us from our food in many cases and not only what we eat, but also are we paying attention? Are we present with the food? Is the consciousness present? Are we paying attention to our food? Cause when you are, you know, you get that link where you get, you get linked into the flow of nature. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:13.474)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:23.308)Great. Kate ODonnell (19:28.911)through the activity of eating the food. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:31.694)It’s so beautifully stated and again, emphasizing how simple this can be because I think one of the reasons that we do get denatured or choose the denatured option is convenience, cost, because we’re busy, but with simple practices and I can say for myself, you know, because I cook very simply, I use a lot of one pot meals, but there’s certain principles that you can learn. and you teach in your book as well. So it’s not necessarily taking more time, maybe a little more planning to make sure that you have the ingredients stocked in your fridge and your pantry. But I mean, it’s just so much infinitely healthier. It feels so much more fulfilling. It’s so funny because I was at someone’s house. It was my son’s friend’s house and we were in the garage and I was just looking at all the boxes of the stuff that I think came from like, you know, I don’t know, just bulk, like bulk protein bars and bulk protein drinks and all the things. And I was like, wow, like, you know, just, you know, how easy it is to get that stuff. And the information that a lot of us are fed is that, the numbers add up. But then you think about energetically how, you know, the potential. And I can just say this, I get so Worked out because of my personal experience from feeling really, you know, just hung up on numbers and calorie counting all day to this, let’s say this blossoming feeling, you know, this just more light coming in, more joy, and we don’t get there from just the numbers. Kate ODonnell (21:16.585)No, yeah, I think that’s what you’re pointing out with the question of consciousness. No, yeah. So again, mean, when the, you make your simple one pot meal and all your senses show up at the table to taste it, you know, and smell it and really be there for it. It’s the most delicious thing. Simple food is delicious when you show up for it, you know, so I think sometimes we’re not there, you know, we’re driving and eating and you don’t even know you Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:22.187)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:33.005)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:42.605)Yes. Kate ODonnell (21:46.509)and so you don’t necessarily feel satiated by your food. So you’re wondering, what else can I eat? Because you didn’t notice it going in. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:50.349)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:54.312)So let’s go practical for a moment, Kate. And you talk about the different qualities and how we have all these energies inside of us, but sometimes we can get imbalanced. So in late, we’ll talk about Vata for a minute. So let’s say an imbalance. We can talk about Vata for six hours, but we know that those of us that are living in the modern world, sometimes we can get spacey. Sometimes, and this is my tendency, I have a lot of Vata energy in my body. sometimes we can get just feeling grounded. So for anyone listening to this, what are some simple foods, spices, even go to recipes that you talk about in your book if you’re just wanting to feel more resilient and grounded and clear. Kate ODonnell (22:43.483)Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, this is a great example of where cooked foods, things that are served warm and that are a little

  This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Suzanne O’Brien Summary: In this conversation, Suzanne O’Brien RN discusses the profound themes surrounding end of life, emphasizing the importance of forgiveness, acceptance, and living well. She shares her journey as a doula for the dying, the phases of dying with dignity, and the significance of community support for caregivers. The discussion also touches on cultural perspectives on death, empowering conversations about end of life, and the need for planning and voluntary choices. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the interconnectedness of life and death, encouraging listeners to embrace both with love and understanding.   About Suzanne B. O’Brien, RN is and author and Founder & CEO of Doulagivers Institute. Her life’s mission is to increase access to high quality end of life education and care for patients and families throughout the world. She has developed free resources and trainings for family caregivers and practitioners from her firsthand experience as a hospice and oncology nurse and palliative care professional at the bedsides of more than 1,000 end of life patients. Suzanne has been awarded “Worldwide Leader in Healthcare” by the International Nurses Association for creating Doulagivers Institute and was named Humanitarian Ambassador for Oprah Magazine in 2019 for her work to bring peace and comfort to those facing the end of life around the world. She has a degree in Transpersonal Counseling and Spiritual Ministry from the Association for the Integration of the Whole Person in Los Alamitos, California. She is also a founding member of the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization’s End of Life Doula Council and a founding member and Former VP of the National End of Life Doula Alliance.   Guest Resources: Website: Doulagivers Institute Book: The Good Death: Supporting Your Loved One Through the End of Life   EPSIODE SPONSORS: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription. That’s code KIMBERLY at livemomentous.com for 35% off your first subscription. USE LINK: livemomentous.com Code: KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription.   LMNT OFFER: Right now, for my listeners LMNT is offering a free sample pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD. That’s 8 single serving packets FREE with any LMNT any LMNT drink mix purchase. This deal is only available through my link so. Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. USE LINK: DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to End of Life Care02:47 The Journey to Hospice and Doula Work05:58 Phases of Dying and the Importance of Forgiveness08:55 Understanding Death Across All Ages11:48 The Shift in Perspective on Death15:02 The Spiritual Aspect of Dying18:11 Practical Approaches to End of Life Planning20:53 Living Well Aging Plans and Family Dynamics26:58 The Burden of Caregiving28:32 Quality of Life vs. Longevity30:29 Living Wills and Quality of Life Decisions32:46 Holistic Approaches to End-of-Life Care34:35 The Essence of Life and Death36:28 Lessons from the Dying37:52 Choosing Love Over Fear39:57 The Power of Presence and Service41:44 Empowerment Through Knowledge43:29 Voluntary Choices at End of Life46:21 Dula Givers Institute and Community Support SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! 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Suzanne is also a founding member of the National Hospice and Palliative Care Network, organization of life doula council and a founding member and former vice president of the National End of Life Doula Alliance. Suzanne, thank you so much for being here with us today. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (00:46.631)Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You got it. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (01:00.669)Thank you for having me and I love the title of your podcast and everything you talk about because really when we talk about a good death, we’re talking about a good life. They’re not exclusive of one another. So I just want to invite people to have an open mind for this conversation. It’s not going to be depressing. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:09.518)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:15.798)No, it’s certainly not. And thank you for pointing that out. I love how you talk about that in the book about this, you the beauty of life, but also the beauty of acceptance and non-resistance and death. And it’s interesting. So much was created in the wake of my mother’s somewhat abrupt passing, Suzanne, including saloon on my brands and getting serious about the feel good podcast, which is really to me feeling good is this natural connection. that we have inside of ourselves. And it’s not dependent on trying to get things from the outside or validation, but just this natural birth rate I think we really have in our hearts and our ability to care for ourselves. And your book is so aligned with that. And yeah, I’d love to share, there were so many moments in your book that it brought me back to that time with my mother where I really was shocked. She passed six weeks after her diagnosis and… My son wasn’t a year old and my older son, like all sorts of things were going on. and your book is so thorough and it really goes from all aspects into even the very practical. But before we jump into that, know, even reading your bio and as a registered nurse, seeing how you shifted and reading the book, it’s just interesting how, or what brought you specifically to focus on hospice care and. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (02:16.188)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:42.104)being a doula for the dying and working through this aspect of life. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (02:47.643)It chooses you. It chooses you. And I think you really started this conversation with exactly what I feel like we’ve learned about life is working with those at the end of life allowed me to immediately realize that we are a human and a being. There’s two parts to us. There’s the human experience that we go through this journey, all the life lessons, all of the experiences to grow for growth, for learning. And then there’s the being part of us. And when you said that the happiness and the joy is not found outside. You’re right, it’s found inside with a connection to that being part, which is always at home, which is always at peace. And it’s like a muscle that you need to, you know, exercise and strengthen. But I think in our world today, we don’t even know about the two parts. We know about the ego part, we know about the separate part, and you can see the chaos that it’s leading to. So, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:24.206)Hmm. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (03:43.559)To answer your question, I am a registered nurse by trade and I was six months out of nursing school in the mainstream hospital and I realized I will never get the fulfillment. This is awful. I had very little time with patients. It was about pushing medications, doing paperwork. The patient and the family were really sometimes the last in the discussion in the meetings. And I thought, what am I gonna do? I’m three years in, student loans, what am I gonna do? And I heard this little voice that said, to hospice. And I said, why am I hearing that? I have no end of life experience. But when I heard that there was a piece, there was an excitement, there was an expansion. And I said, you know what? I’ve tried everything that people say. I followed all of the things that they said. And I said, I don’t know what this is, but I’m just gonna follow it and see. And the very first day I went out to see hospice patients, I knew I was in the exact place I was supposed to be in my life. And I also said, that’s how life works. Not what do I think I’m supposed to be doing, but where am I being guided? What do I know? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:19.566)and then. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:38.914)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:42.678)What a beautiful heart story, Suzanne. I love that and that clarity. I was reading this. We have these comic books of great figures and I was reading the one about Mother Teresa to my sons. And there was this moment when she was on the bus, or no, she was on a train and she heard a voice similarly to you saying, move to the slums. You were meant to move out of the convent and go there. And she was like, no other nun has gone there. Like, what do I do? But it’s that when we open up to that, Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (04:43.965)Mmm. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (04:55.027)Mm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:12.558)that light, that intuition, whatever we want to call it, that voice, it does lead us to this life of great purpose and fulfillment, which clearly you have found so much purpose in your work, Suzanne. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (05:27.207)And Kimberly, it’s so interesting because that day, you know, I had found it being in this end of life space. And if you had told me today that I wouldn’t be a bedside hospice nurse, I wouldn’t have believed you then. But because I knew that when this voice comes in, this is the higher guidance system. And I was always going to listen to it. And it’s just when you trust in that, when you follow your heart guidance, it will lead you on a journey that is not only fulfilled and full of purpose and service, but just miracles big and small and joy and just the splendor of what’s available in this experience. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:58.402)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:02.038)And you talk about these three phases of dying with dignity and having a good death, shock, stabilization and transition. And we could talk about these more, but what really stood out to me was how much in the stabilization phase you talked about forgiveness. And I was reading that and I was thinking, oh my gosh, how key. And there was a lot of exchanges between me and my mother when she was passing. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (06:06.994)Mmm. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (06:12.647)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:30.018)But also, Suzanne, back to living well, how important that is even when we’re not confronted with death, right? Instead of this big wake up call. Of course, for some, it’s going to come at that moment, but there’s lessons in here for, I think, just on the flip side, like living to that fullness in life. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (06:49.873)Yeah, Kimberly, when people are at the end of life and they’re sharing with you what they want you to know about how to make life the best experience possible, they’re not trying to sell you anything. They don’t care if you take it or not. They’re just purely, it’s the wisdom. I immediately changed my life. mean, every day I live like one little lifetime, like knowing that time is my greatest commodity. I don’t miss the joyful moments, the connection, presence, but also forgiveness. So when I saw the transformation at the end of life, and I really feel as people’s physical bodies are diminishing, their spiritual body’s growing, and you can see that things wanna be worked out with acceptance and processed before they leave if it’s possible, the profound transformations that I saw led to the most beautiful end of life with forgiveness. And I said, okay, I am making a list. I am thinking about what am I not addressing or what have I been carrying with me that I’m not even aware of? And I’m gonna forgive. And I will tell you, it- Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:15.566)Mmm. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (07:44.421)sets you free in a way to design and co-create your life with no limitations and with just the most beautiful energy possible. And so yeah, it changed my life completely. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:56.782)Amazing. know, and I, there’s so much in your book where you talk about this, kind of this, I don’t say falsity, but this idea that we must prolong life as much as possible. And I remember with my own mother having to be faced with things like do not resuscitate, which I learned could break their bones and only extend life for a short amount of time. And, you know, there’s just so much, Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (07:58.002)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:26.44)reframing life. But this is, you know, it’s a little bit, not more clear, but we can say, okay, our elderly, our parents, and you talk about in the book how the statistics are going to skyrocket with the elderly ratio of the United States. But what about Suzanne? Surely you’ve worked with families where it’s people in their 20s, their 30s, their 40s, children, teenagers, right? Where it’s not the end of life. And it feels, there’s that other element of like, feel a little robbed, right? Because it’s one thing to, if you’re dealing with an elderly parent, but to have that peace when you realize someone may have a terminal illness and they’re only 23 years old. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (09:05.116)Yeah, absolutely. And I’ve had, you know, all ages. And I think that if I may, think that one of the main things that I’m always trying to say, okay, what is the ask, right, of the big picture for what I’m supposed to be doing here and teaching. I really believe it’s to remind people and have them remember that death used to be revered and is a sacred natural rite of passage. And with the awareness of that, it opens us up to really, I feel like expanding like, well, what is life about and what are the important things? But to make sure that we’re not missing it. Cause the number one thing I hear from people at the end of life is I thought I had more time and the regrets. And it’s not what they did do so much as what they didn’t do. And even if you, and then if Kimberly, if I can go really high up in big vision about the gifts within. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:44.824)What? Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (09:56.613)every experience that we have and some do not look like gifts by any means. But when we have those, what I call the little masters, when there is somebody who’s having their end of life, I believe that there is teachings for all of us that are part of that, not just for the comfort, but just to come to place of acceptance. And I remember there was this one little girl and she was dying and she told everyone what exactly what she wanted them to do, how she wanted to be celebrated. She wanted them to dress in pink. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:19.118)Thank you. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (10:25.703)that she wanted them to sing songs. Like she was guiding all of them. It’s pretty amazing what you experience in this space or can. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:36.17)Yes, and there’s this transcendence, right? And goes back to our personal beliefs. I personally believe this isn’t it and that we have, there’s life beyond and so there’s a higher plan. Sometimes we don’t understand it and that can, hell, mean, in the moment there’s so much pain, but kind of smooth over the unfairness aspect. it is, we can come to peace if we can believe it. In some way, somehow it’s someone’s time to go. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (10:45.469)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:04.618)And I remember Suzanne with my mom, the moment my prayers changed from, you know, please heal her. She had this cancer diagnosis, seemingly out of nowhere. I was in February, like the day after my birthday, my parents called. We’d seen her at Christmas and only once did she say, I’m kind of tired. She just sort of held it in. And I was like, no, no, we can heal her. We could do this with the diet and da da. And then there was this moment. It was just something inside me realized and accepted and it switched to, you know, God, please grant her peace. And it was such a big shift and acceptance and all these profound gifts did open up because I think, like you said, it’s the number one fear. have so much resistance and we want to hold on. And that’s not always the plan. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (11:50.099)I think that goes back to the fact of us being human beings, right? The human part of us wants to kind of control the show, right? And then we also have a lot of things happening at the same time. We have doctors that are trained to fix it and they’re expected to fix it, which is an impossible goal that they have to meet. But we’re not even talking about this because the time to choose, and I’ll use myself as an example, what quality of life is to me and realizing that one day the journey will not be as I know it today. allows me when I get there to already have a pathway for it, to already know, like for instance, I’m here with my parents, they’re both 86, God bless, and I’m so grateful that I have them. But there’s a level of gratitude and patience that I have with every minute that we’re together, because it’s a gift. And I know that one day that won’t be there. And so it won’t be such a shock and it won’t be me grasping and us grasping for different things because we talked about it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:42.786)Thank Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (12:45.479)So what about again, bringing back the awareness that one day the journey will not be as I know it today so that when we get there, we hopefully don’t go down pathways and roads that we don’t want to that we know won’t reverse it, but could also be causing more suffering or even false hope for people. Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:01.186)Right. And part of that is sort of just, let’s never talk about this. Like it’s taboo. Let’s like pretend we’re going to live forever. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (13:08.742)Yeah. That, yeah, and that doesn’t work. I mean, if anyone knows anything differently, I’ve never seen anyone, but I also know that I’ve seen the most beautiful things happen at the end of life. You’re literally at the veil. And I’ve had people share with me what they’re seeing, the peace that they’re seeing, the love and what I have felt in the room, and time disappears as you and I know it. There is no doubt. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:25.004)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:30.519)Huh. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (13:37.757)that there is something so incredibly in my mind beautiful that’s gonna happen after because I’ve been with over a thousand people at the end of life. So what is this life about? What are we missing from that awareness and education and wisdom of end of life to make life as rich and beautiful and connected as possible? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:56.408)can only imagine Suzanne being with so many souls that have passed. For me, was only my mother, well, only, but I did have the gift of holding her in my arms as she passed. And then, my dad was near the window. And as you describe in the book, the breath just started to slow and then expire. But it was really profound moment where it didn’t feel like death. I felt like her energy just kind of like moved and forever. I think of death very differently, just as a transition. I know she’s still somewhere. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (14:33.075)Absolutely. Absolutely. like, you know, when we talk about cultures for thousands of years, knowing this and having this be a sacred ritual, you know, we’ve lost the ritual around it. We’ve lost the time thinking of bringing a baby into the world. Very similar in the same importance and sacredness as helping somebody to leave with love and with comfort. There were two times, Kimberly, in my journey that I literally saw someone leave their body, what I would say, leave their body. You know, the things you see and what you feel, let you know that there’s so much more going on. And that to me is so healing and people the end of life talking about how we’re all connected to one unconditional loving energy. Yeah, it’s just, you know, we need to bring that education back, that awareness back to our world. And also we’re suffering from such traumatic grief as a collective, because we’re not talking about end of life, it shows up, it’s a shock. usually doesn’t go that well because of scrambling and then people are stuck in this grief. We need to talk about this and it teaches us about life. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:40.578)Well, you know, what was so clear to me, Suzanne, was when my prayer changed as I explained, it was about me. I was like, please heal her because I want her here. And then when it changed to let her have peace, it was like, this soul is ready to go. And they’re seeing amazing things and they’re at that veil. So I think what your book sort of reframes as well is stepping out of that Mimi, because let’s face it, a lot of the losses. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (15:48.765)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:09.102)you know, we want to talk to that person and we miss having them around and there’s validity in that. And I feel that too. And there’s moments I was like, gosh, I can’t call my mom. But then when we expand into the oneness, into the eternalness, it’s like, the non-attachment comes in, which is such a profound lesson. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (16:12.635)Of course. Of course. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (16:26.181)It’s such a profound lesson what you just shared, you know, the grace in which you brought into this experience and the re focusing on her and the love that was there and how how may I show up to support her in this dynamic and it just changed. all the frequency around everything. But I do honor you because when something shows up quickly, there’s a process, there’s a shock right now. And this is really one of my main platforms is to try and educate before we ever get there. Even children have their pets dying. so age appropriately, think one of the best things we could ever do is talk about the cycle of life with nature and animals and how we’re all connected. because what we’re seeing right now is the removal of that and then the fear that has been ingrained in people that is unfortunately again preventing them from having these meaningful last chapters with their loved ones as they’re leaving the physical body, which is so important for us to be able to have if that’s what we can do. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:26.414)What would you say to someone listening or watching this, Suzanne, if they’re like, oh, I want to know, but reading about this, I don’t want to manifest death. I don’t want to think about losing my mom or losing my dad or losing a loved one. What would you say about how on the flip side, this could actually be really empowering to have this information? Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (17:45.777)Yeah. Yeah. So I would say that it’s not going to bring it on. It’s not talking about sex doesn’t make us pregnant. you know, talking about end of life doesn’t. But I will say this from a very, and you really talked about this, book being very practical in its education, but also sacred and spiritual as well. That the we’re all going to be called to show up to care for somebody at the end of life at some point in the journey, knowing how to do that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:12.908)Yeah. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (18:14.267)knowing how to do that changes everything. And I also want to remind us that a hundred years ago, this was a skill that a grandmother used to teach to a grandchild. People died at home, they had home wakes. This is a holistic skill. This is not medical. And we’ve given over our end of life to the medical profession. First of all, they can’t fix it. They’re not supposed to, but it also allows us to not be able to be in that process with our loved one. Knowing what my mom wants, where she wants to be, warm blankets, what kind of music, having those conversations, that’s something that I want to provide for her and it’s so healing and we can all do that. And you’re going to feel as much as it’s going to be difficult, and I know it is, when we say goodbye to that physical person, knowing that you were there, helping them to lead this world in comfort, you’re going to hold that in your heart for absolutely ever in the most beautiful way. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:45.838)Mm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:02.232)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:10.646)You know, when I had this, every time I keep referencing your book to my experience because it comes from such direct knowing about this experience, Suzanne, like this, can feel your heart in this book and how, you know, how you’ve really been leading people through this. Cause I’m like, yes, I remember that moment. I remember that moment. And there was a time where my mom stopped speaking and I just said, Hey, squeeze your hand. If you can hear what I’m saying. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (19:20.317)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:37.482)She squeezed and squeezed and she looked me in the eye and I had two hours to just tell her everything. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (19:47.165)There’s a few things that I want to share with your listeners and with you now is that people, want to make sure that you understand people can hear you even when they’re in a deep sleep coma. But I want to take it a step further. People can hear you now. You know, if we think about quantum physics, right? And we talk about energy and they’re really finding out a lot in this world. But I always go with what is your heart saying, right? What is your gut saying? Energy cannot be destroyed. It has to be a solid, a liquid or a gas. Your loved one has changed for. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:56.109)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:59.66)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:16.237)Yes. Suzanne B. O’Brien RN (20:16.591)Your loved one is still around you. Maybe as Oprah says, and I have to give her a little bit of props here, she talks about when her birth mother died, she feels her now more loving and stronger in a relationship than she ever did. And I know that I have heard that from families as well, when their loved one has stopped breathing in the body and they’ve slowed down and taken time, hours, if not hopefully days,

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Dr. Margie Warrell In this conversation, Margie Warrell discusses her book ‘The Courage Gap’ and explores the themes of courage, fear, and self-discovery. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the courage gap, which is the space between knowing what we should do and actually taking action. Margie shares insights on how to overcome fear, the significance of being authentic, and the relationship between courage and love. She also reflects on her personal journey, including her struggles with an eating disorder and the loss of loved ones, and how these experiences have shaped her mission to empower others.   About Dr. Margie Warrell Dr. Margie Warrell is a five-time best-selling author, keynote speaker, leadership coach, and Forbes columnist. With twenty-five years of experience living and working around the world, she has dedicated her life to helping others overcome fear and unlock their potential. From her humble beginnings on a small farm in rural Australia to her current role as a Senior Partner at Korn Ferry and Advisory Board member for the Forbes School of Business & Technology, Margie has learned that courage is essential for every worthwhile endeavor. A mother of four and an advocate for women’s empowerment, she inspires others to live bravely and refuse to settle in any aspect of life.   Episode Sponsors: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription. That’s code KIMBERLY at livemomentous.com for 35% off your first subscription.   FATTY15 OFFER: Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/KIMBERLY and using code KIMBERLY at checkout.   Guest Resources Website: margiewarrell.com Social Media: margie@margiewarrell.com   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Impact of Synthetic Dyes01:23 Personal Journey: The Catalyst for Change06:12 The Science Behind Synthetic Dyes and Their Effects10:49 Regulatory Challenges and the FDA’s Role13:58 The Power of Awareness and Advocacy18:40 The Broader Implications of Food Dyes in Society26:10 Legislative Efforts Against Synthetic Dyes28:05 Challenges in National Regulation29:20 Impact of Synthetic Dyes on Children30:24 Finding Alternatives to Dyes32:15 The Cost of Healthier Choices34:09 The Struggles of Medical Dependency35:51 Elimination and Its Immediate Benefits38:41 The Broader Implications of Dyes40:11 Adult Reactions to Synthetic Dyes43:03 The Journey of Creating the Documentary48:41 Where to Watch the Documentary   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:00.691)Hi everyone and welcome back to our show. I have a very special guest here with me today from across the country in Washington DC. I’m so excited to chat with her after reading her brand new book called The Courage Gap, Five Steps to Braver Action, Margie Worrell, PhD, who is a five-time bestselling author, a keynote speaker, leadership advisor, And I can’t help but also add from reading her book, Mother of Four. Margie, thank you so much for being here. I felt like that should be part of the bio and I just wanted to it in organically because it’s really amazing that you’ve created so much. And that was one of the things you talked about in the book, but also breaking this idea of limitation that you couldn’t be successful in your career and also be a mother of four. So congratulations on all fronts. Margie Warrell (00:40.392)Yeah. Margie Warrell (00:59.106)Thanks, Kimberly. It’s great to be with you. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:02.661)Margie, so much to say about courage and fear. And I want to dive a little bit deeper. You and I were chatting before about how much of the conversation in our Feel Good podcast community has been about the heart and you really connect courage and the heart. But before we get that far, tell us about this gap, the courage gap and what that really means. Margie Warrell (01:30.222)Well, I know I’ve had this experience myself many times, Kimberly, but I’ve also had many people share their own of knowing there was something that they should do, something they wanted to do, something they knew they needed to do. Maybe it was a difficult conversation. Maybe it was disentangling themselves from a relationship they knew was just sucking the life blood out of them. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:42.045)Mm. Margie Warrell (01:55.882)maybe it was going after something they really wanted and they just had so much doubt and yet they were holding back, they were hesitating, they were procrastinating, they were coming up with all sorts of great reasons and it’s my observation that our fear creates the gap between what we’re doing on a daily basis but also over the course of our lives and what it is we’re capable of doing between having an insight going know I should do that and actually doing it and it takes courage to close that gap. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:22.567)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:30.663)Mm-hmm. Margie Warrell (02:31.054)And so many people I’ve met in my work and travels around the world, Kimberly, are living smaller lives than they’re capable of living because they’re afraid of what will happen if they step forward into that gap, if they take that action when there’s a chance that they might fall short or mess up, make a mistake, make a fool of themselves. And so I wanted to write a book that would be really, really practical to help people in those moments when you’re like, do I don’t Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:58.951)Yes. Margie Warrell (03:00.938)I do I don’t I to just step forward and do it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:06.139)I resonate with those moments. Like you said, it could be something you can pinpoint, like, this relationship or this conversation. But one of the things that I started to feel into when I was reading your book is also the courage to be yourself. And what I mean by that is it’s really easy to wear different masks because we think that’s how we’re gonna be liked or accepted. You know, for me, Margie, there’s been a lot of… Like dismantling wanting to be seen as serious and smart and overcoming perfectionism through my childhood. so just like putting things out there in a certain way, right? And it takes courage to be like, hey, but I have this whole side of me that’s more alive and silly and wacky and letting that show too in some situations except for like now my kids and my husband see it. And it feels… scary sometimes to really let yourself be seen. But wow, the life force, Margie, right? So this quote, there’s so many quotes, first of all, in the book that I just think are like spectacular. And I was sharing with you how many I had highlighted, but there’s one in particular that resonates here. And I’ll paraphrase it. was something about when you connect to who you want to be, it informs your doing. So was reading this and I was like, who I wanna be is free. My freedom and wholeness are like my two guiding lights. And if I wanna be free and whole, means not being fearful people aren’t gonna like me if I show these parts of me, right? And so it informs how I’m expressing, it informs how I’m writing, it informs how I’m speaking. And it feels scary at times, but it also feels really good. Margie Warrell (04:50.146)Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Margie Warrell (04:55.426)Yeah well just because it’s scary sure doesn’t mean it’s bad right in fact often that’s the very thing we have to do and I like to frame it this way Kimberly that whenever we are letting what other people might think about us be pulling the strings and directing our decisions and kind of in charge of how shaping how we show up. We’re essentially held captive to other people’s opinions and approval. We’re held captive to what I call impression management. Do they like me? You know, do they think I’m cool? Do they think I’m funny? Do they think I’m pretty? Do they think I’m smart? And that’s part of the human condition, right? Like we all long to belong. We want to be approved of. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:14.844)in Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:34.845)Managing. Yeah. Margie Warrell (05:43.014)We want people to think well of us and so there’s nothing wrong with that because it is wired into us but really our own human journey is developing the awareness that reclaims that power. recognizing I’m giving this away right now. I’m trying to sound really smart. I’m trying to look really hip. I’m trying to look like my family’s a perfect family or whatever it is versus you who am I when I strip all that you know impression management and caring about approval seeking and pleasing away and I think it’s a lifelong journey Kimberly. I don’t feel like you can just flick a switch and go that’s it. I don’t care what anyone thinks because people have to say that really loudly. I’m like okay you care a lot what everyone thinks. So I think just that’s a self-awareness piece, right? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:28.284)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:32.371)Well, so your book has these questions and introspecting and sort of telling stories about other people’s courage and vulnerability because it can feel like a lot in there, right? Like there’s a reason why we’re wearing masks. There’s a reason why you don’t leave a relationship even though it’s crappy. There’s a reason you stay in a job that, you know, isn’t serving your life purpose. So it’s like, ugh, it’s like a lot of energy and fear. So when you’re coaching, when you’re working with people and how you dismantle it in the book, Margie, what are some of the tips you would say to someone that’s even, you know, it feels like a lot to even broach the subject in the first place? Margie Warrell (07:18.314)It is a, I think it can be a lot and it’s like at what point, where do you even start? And before we pressed record, you and I talked about just that holistic even connecting in with our body and we can get there in a moment. But I think a really key thing that requires. getting really just sometimes pressing pause on the business of our lives and zooming up and going, who is it I want to be in my one and only precious life? Thank you, Mary Oliver. Like, how do I want to show up? What are the values that want to define how I want to live my life and getting some clarity on that? Because when our values are clear, like for instance, I want to be kind or I want to be generous or I want to be a great mother. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:46.973)Yeah. Margie Warrell (08:05.232)or a good friend. I want to be living using my gifts in ways that are meaningful and purposeful for me. When we get clarity on that it helps acts like a North Star. Like you know what I need to step away a little bit from this over here because it’s not nourishing me and I need to invest more time in this over here. Maybe it’s we’re building a skill, maybe we’re building a new web of of relationships but Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:32.498)Yes. Margie Warrell (08:33.742)the clearer we are on the values that we want to define our lives by and who it is we want to be, then it makes it easier, not easy, but to rise above those very self-protective instincts that keep us stuck and playing it safe. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:39.847)Wait. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:47.858)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:51.837)Well, you know, to echo something you just said, which I did think was an important part of the book, and I did write it down somewhere here, was inhabiting the body. Because sometimes when fear hits, we’re kind of like frozen or like taking, you know, going elsewhere. Tell us what you mean about inhabiting the body and how it can help us as a tool for overcoming fear. Margie Warrell (09:15.928)Well. We all know that our thoughts can impact the emotions we feel and then how we feel in our body. But our body, it’s not a one way street. Our physiology, these earth suits that we have, they also impact how we think and how we feel. And so just recognizing that, that our physiology impacts our psychology, gives us a portal, a doorway to enter there. There’s a lever there. And so, okay, well, where is it that I’m holding onto? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:25.393)Okay. Margie Warrell (09:47.124)fear in my body and what would it look like and feel like and sound like and move like if I was embodying the courage that I wanted to have? you know, it’s called a nervous system for a reason because we are our default is to be defensive, you know, on alert for, you know, who might who might threaten our sense of safety or our identity or reputation or our place in our social pack. And so just recognizing that that we can be moving through the world kind of in a defensive, anxious mode. And so connecting in with our bodies helps connect that head and heart and hands and recognizing, okay, you know, what is it, where am I living from the neck up? Where am I stuck in my head, maybe? And I think that most powerful and easiest way to start with that is simply through our breath. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:34.65)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:45.756)Mm-hmm. Margie Warrell (10:46.318)And I’m sure you’ve had many moments Kimberly where just pausing and taking the longest breath you’ve taken all day and just breathing in and I sort of like to couple this with a cognitive reframe. Breathe in courage, breathe out fear sort of allows us to reset you know that that vagus nerve that kind of goes down through us just to go okay where do I need to just tell my brain it’s okay right now. Right now, in this moment, it’s okay. And to stand tall and put our shoulders back and put a smile on our face and like that, what is that telling our brain is that it’s okay, I got this, I don’t have to be going into full flight, you know, fight mode. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:31.079)Well, a couple of things, I love how you do talk about posture in the book and you talk about standing up straight and really embodying, inhabiting that, you know, courage. And I remember there was a Ted talk a couple of years ago, some researcher from Princeton was talking about this body language that really did help you feel, as you also referenced in the book, just feeling more strong and brave. So I love that. And also, Margie, you talk about the heart a lot in the book, which I resonate with so much. And my last book I mentioned before was about heart coherence and how the heart sends more messages to the brain. So when you work with the heart and you start to entrain the heart, brain, nervous system, you can really change your thoughts. And so there’s a certain point in the book where you talk about courage. being a really high form of love. So before I read that part, Margie, I wrote back here, said, ask Margie about the relationship between courage and being loving and love, and then you hit on it. Because being courageous doesn’t mean cowering higher, being just like nice and not having challenging conversations and sort of being like people pleasing. There’s a power in lovingness that can be very courageous. Can you talk a little bit about that relationship? Margie Warrell (12:49.036)Yeah well the word courage comes from the word core French for heart and I know Brené Brown talked a lot about this like what it is to live a wholehearted life and the reason that I say that courage is love in its highest form and vice versa love is courage its highest form is it is living with our heart wide open to the full spectrum of human emotion. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:01.159)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:13.341)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:17.81)Mm. Margie Warrell (13:18.066)And let’s face it, most of us would rather not feel the really painful emotions. Like, can we just have the good stuff? Like not that bad. I don’t want to feel, don’t my heart to be broken? I don’t want people to disappoint me. I don’t want to be rejected. I don’t want to be judged. And so to live with our heart wide open is to be fully open to that full spectrum of life’s experiences. And at the same time, deeply grounded. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:22.844)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:35.869)Mm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:41.138)Beautiful. Margie Warrell (13:45.466)in ourselves, our own worthiness at a really kind of primal and sacred level that who we are is beyond what anyone might say about us, it’s also beyond our bodies too, that our bodies aren’t, that who we are is not our bodies, it’s not our emotional state, it’s not our mental and cognitive function because lord knows that goes down over time, our bodies won’t stay this, won’t be looking the same when we’re 90 and so just being able to connect at that real heart level that often knows what it is we should do before our mind is willing to concede defeat. Because often we know what we should do and yet we’re like coming up with 3,000 really good reasons why not and our heart is like… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:29.575)Right. Margie Warrell (14:31.252)you know it, you know what you need to do. And I think that’s where, you know, living with our heart wide open is obviously easier said than done because we’re wired for protecting ourselves against pain or perceived pain or emotional injury. And yet it’s a very liberating place to live from because when we can trust ourselves and our hearts to handle anything, it actually empowers us for everything. We’re more secure. We’re not less secure. We’re more secure in our lives. And that’s a work in progress sometimes, you know, two steps forward, one step back. But I like to ask people. If you were not afraid of something happening that you couldn’t handle, if you could trust in your heart’s ability to handle anything, what is it that you would do? You know, what is it that you would change? What would you go after? And like, well, if I wasn’t afraid of rejection, I’d do this. And if I wasn’t afraid of just making a fool of myself on the global stage, I’d do that. And it can just open up our aperture of what’s possible for us and be a really, yeah, very empowering, liberating space to be going through the world. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:52.115)Mm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:56.595)You know, it’s, where is that quote? It’s be before do, grounding yourself in the certainty of who you want to be elevates what you do. Coupled with this other one, when you’re willing to feel anything, this is the one I really wanted, you embolden yourself for everything. So as children, Margie, a lot of us are, you we have these patterns, we’ve been hurt. What is it? 75 % of us. according to Bessel van der Kolk and the body keeps the score, say we have a form of trauma. So we like, you’re right, we don’t want to feel rejected. We don’t like to feel outcast or that we don’t belong. So what happens, Margie, if we put ourselves out there, let’s say we decide to ask someone on a date and we do get rejected. And you do talk about learning from the courage, but what if that makes someone just want to go back into their hole? Margie Warrell (16:54.734)you And that’s where our work lies, right? And that’s a natural response, because we’re giving other people’s opinion of us in some moment of time and they don’t even know us necessarily. We ask them out on a date and they’re like, no, maybe they don’t like our hair color. Who knows? But we’re giving them power because we’re saying, I care so much about your judgment of me. So again, we’re giving them the power to determine how we will feel about ourselves. And that’s where Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:24.957)Right. Margie Warrell (17:26.09)there is so much power in us defining and being self-defining. I know I am worthy. Whether or not you think I’m worthy, I know I’m deeply and innately lovable and loved and loving and whether you see that or not is actually beside the point that I know I am. And so if someone else isn’t seeing that okay great on you go on your journey and on I go on mine. I thought maybe it could be a thing here but okay clearly not. But the most attractive thing about people, sorry, let me rephrase that. The most attractive people are people who are not letting their worth be defined by everybody else. They’re not outsourcing their self-esteem to how many likes they have on their post or to what invite list they’re on or how the guy they’re going out with looks. They’re really, they’re so at home in themselves. And that’s an incredibly attractive thing. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:09.298)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:27.347)Yes. So I think we have all met people like that and we can admire that. I can think of someone in my mind, she just kind of says whatever she wants. And sometimes it’s like a little bit too much, but still like she really, like you said, doesn’t, when people, she gets negative comments or at a party, people disagree with her, doesn’t affect her that much. So let’s say for anyone listening, Margie, we’re point A. Because it’s easy, we can say, know I’m lovable, I have this self-worth, but we’re trying to cross over to be where we aren’t so suede and we’re not outsourcing. There’s a journey there. Margie Warrell (19:08.792)There is absolutely a journey and that’s our work. I mean, there’s various things we can do, tools we can use. I think I know myself, journaling over the course of my life has been a really powerful tool for reminding me of what at the deepest level I already know. You know, it’s like, you’re chasing. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:22.003)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:25.681)Me too. Margie Warrell (19:33.554)likes or approval, you’re chasing something out there that actually, no matter how much you get of it, it will never be enough. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:42.78)Right. Margie Warrell (19:44.334)It’s just you’re on this treadmill. It’ll never be enough. I mean, you might think it’s going to be enough, but then you get it and you know it’s still not going to be enough. So I think journaling can be a great way to just explore that the inner regions of our lives and go, what is it that here that’s in my way and what does love look like today? And you know, maybe there’s people we need to step away from hanging out with so much. Maybe there’s people we need to set a boundary with. Maybe there’s other people over here we we need to invest more time with. we’re not treating ourselves with as much love and respect. Maybe we’re abusing ourselves in some way because we just keep putting rubbish in ourselves. or we’re not taking care of ourselves the way we’d like to be. Or we’re letting a particular person get under our skin and we’re not setting a boundary on them and saying hey please don’t speak to me that way. You know I I don’t want you having those conversations. But that that concept of be before do that I wrote about in the book. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:37.531)Yes. Margie Warrell (20:44.274)you know when you’re clear about who you want to be and you reset because that’s a choice we make every day then you know you’re doing your high grade you’re doing when i’m clear about who i want to be and so you know i have many moments where i’m like my doubts will be really loud in my head and i’ll be starting to go down this like rabbit hole of you’re never going to do this and you’re left behind and you don’t have what it takes and And then I will take myself out for a walk for me getting out in nature, exercising, sometimes music all at once out in nature, exercising and listening to music that just really speaks to, I call it the God within me. That’s like what I really know. You know, that will just do that will shift the space I’m in. And then, you know what, how do I want to show up today? I want to show up. I want to I want to know that I’m here. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:21.159)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:27.815)Right. Margie Warrell (21:33.74)for great things and I show up as someone that lifts everyone around me and I’m not letting whether or not I landed that deal or got invited to speak at that event or XYZ, that is not going to determine how I feel about myself today and how I show up. And coming from that place, it’s like reclaiming our power and going, no, I will not be captive of my circumstances. I’m going to be the captain of my life and I will decide and I’m not going to give that away. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (21:40.595)you Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (22:02.755)you know, there’s a couple amazingly powerful things in there, Margie. The first thing is, you know, it isn’t like a switch. There is a journey, but I do think there is great power. You you used the term doing the work a couple of times. I think part of doing the work is considering what we’re talking about. And then reading a book like yours, where there really are these sort of standout introspective quotes. I circled a bunch in the book, as I mentioned to you. And you can just sort of pause and say, hmm, what does this mean in my life? And journal. And I wanted to share, I’m a huge journaler. I hear my office. I have so many journals going back from when I was backpacking around the world. And it really is amazing. I don’t just write. I like to go back and read, Margie. And you could sort of see, wow, I overcame that fear. Or I had this realization afterwards. So I think there’s something really powerful in reading. the book and looking at the quotes and also these stories that you tell inside. Because sometimes when we read other people’s stories, that’s why we’re so connected to each other. It can inspire us. And then the next part is quote on 120, ability to lift people up and affect positive change begins where your comfort zone ends. So, so much of our self doubt and fear is very me focused and very like, you know, there’s an, you know, there’s an egoic quality to it. But when we kind of radiate out and focus on how we can be of service to others and how we can help other people be more enthusiastic, where we can give praise, where we can give encouragemen

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Brandon and Whitney Cawood In this conversation, Kimberly interviews Brandon and Whitney Cawood, the creators of the documentary ‘To Die For,’ which explores the impact of synthetic dyes on children’s health. They share their personal journey of discovering the effects of these dyes on their son, the scientific research behind the issue, and the challenges of navigating the regulatory landscape. The discussion emphasizes the importance of awareness, advocacy, and community support in driving change, as well as practical solutions for parents seeking to eliminate synthetic dyes from their children’s diets.   About Brandon and Whitney Cawood After discovering their child’s life-altering sensitivity to synthetic dyes, parents and first-time filmmakers Brandon and Whitney Cawood set out to uncover the impacts of these additives. There journey led them to meet with the world’s leading synthetic dye experts, scientists, researchers, and impacted families in the revelatory documentary To Dye For which revealed a series of shocking stories, surprising discoveries and the truth about how synthetic food colorings.   Episode Sponsors: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription. That’s code KIMBERLY at livemomentous.com for 35% off your first subscription. USE LINK: livemomentous.com Code: KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription.   SOLLUNA SBO PROBIOTICS OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use the CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. USE LINK: mysolluna.com CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. Guest Resources Website: https://www.todyeforthedocumentary.com/ Social Media: @ todyeforthedocumentary   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Impact of Synthetic Dyes01:23 Personal Journey: The Catalyst for Change06:12 The Science Behind Synthetic Dyes and Their Effects10:49 Regulatory Challenges and the FDA’s Role13:58 The Power of Awareness and Advocacy18:40 The Broader Implications of Food Dyes in Society26:10 Legislative Efforts Against Synthetic Dyes28:05 Challenges in National Regulation29:20 Impact of Synthetic Dyes on Children30:24 Finding Alternatives to Dyes32:15 The Cost of Healthier Choices34:09 The Struggles of Medical Dependency35:51 Elimination and Its Immediate Benefits38:41 The Broader Implications of Dyes40:11 Adult Reactions to Synthetic Dyes43:03 The Journey of Creating the Documentary48:41 Where to Watch the Documentary   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:01.091)Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview. I am so excited for these very special humans that I have with me here today, Whitney and Brandon Kaywood. And they are the power couple behind the new film, To Die For, which I have to say was very powerful for me and very emotional. It explores the impact on our children and really all humans. that synthetic dyes have. They interview experts, scientists, researchers. I’m getting goosebumps even as I talk about it. Stories from families made a lot of news a couple of months ago when red dye was banned and a lot of us hadn’t really thought about the impact of food colorings and dyes. And just more and more is starting to come out and this incredible film really takes a deep dive. I encourage everyone to watch this. and especially if you are parents. So guys, thank you so much for being here with us today. You know, it’s very impactful, your work, this film, you guys are first time filmmakers. Tell us a little bit about the passion that drove you to spending so much energy on bringing this particular subject to life. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (01:23.308)Well, first of all, thank you for having us. That was a beautiful intro. All right. So our story, I guess, was really the beginning of this entire journey. So our son has a profound reaction to synthetic dyes. so between the ages of one and three, he was having a lot of trouble keeping his hands to himself with impulse control. And, you know, in that age, it’s kind of the biting, the hitting, the inability to Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:25.686)you Yeah. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (01:51.928)to cope with the word no, like all of that is normal within reason. how often it was happening per day and just the duration of our fits, it was like pause for concern. And it was an issue, and you really knew it was an issue when every time we took them to church, when they stayed in childcare, it was an issue, play dates or… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:56.463)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (02:15.48)He did a mother’s morning out where he was just there a couple of hours, a couple of days a week, and there is an issue every single day, write ups, and I have to pick them up. it was obviously worse than his peers in that the way that his teachers described it. And so we were doing our due diligence. We were doing behavior therapy. We were consulting doctors, but it was so early, obviously. We had referrals to a children’s hospital, but but it was so early we didn’t want to pursue a diagnosis or something like that. And so we decided to look into diet. I have a lot of autoimmune predispositions and food allergies. So I knew the power of eliminating certain foods. It was completely transformative for me. So I was hoping to eliminate something and just to help him just slightly. And because that’s how my healing, my healing was like one thing at a time. And then over time my healing happened. But for him, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:54.766)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:03.886)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (03:11.886)I found an article that suggested eliminating wheat, dairy and synthetic dyes. And so I decided to do that and we were actually on vacation. Actually, that’s how desperate we were. were on vacation and we like, we got to do this. We got to help him. And so we eliminated those things. And initially we thought that the wheat and the dairy would have the biggest impact because that’s, he consumed most of that. And when we, when we really looked at our food, we really only found synthetic dyes in his daily allergy medicine or his Benadryl or Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:16.207)Mm. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (03:40.974)He at that time had chronic ear infections. And so he was kind of on a red 40 loop with amoxicillin and just things to try to conquer his, issues with his ears. And he eventually had tubes, which helped that. But we eliminated those things. And then obviously the occasional treat at a birthday party, we would look at that. within 48 hours, we had a child that was so easy going and Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:47.651)Mm-hmm. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (04:06.422)And so one reason why we didn’t pursue like a diagnosis with a doctor initially is because most of his days were really rough, but we would occasionally have a day where he was like, it was like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, like who is this kid? He’s so easy. And so when we eliminated dies within 48 hours, all of those symptoms went away. It was like he was easy going and easy to reason with. It was almost unbelievable. And it was almost like you, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:18.968)Yeah. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (04:35.458)didn’t want to hold your breath, it was actually going to stick. And so we did the elimination diet for 30 days and then we reintroduced wheat and we saw no effect and we reintroduced dairy and we saw no effect. And then when we reintroduced dyes, we saw within 15 minutes, all those behaviors came flooding back. The irritability, the inability to cope, had poor sleeping and then even some things like stimming and things like that, it just like almost immediately came back. And so we knew for him synthetic dyes had a really big impact. And so we, I was really shocked and I almost didn’t want to tell people because it sounds crazy. If you were to tell me that story, I would say, it must’ve been developmental or something else must’ve changed. I would’ve been so skeptical. But I decided to tell people about it. And I was surprised about how many people in my immediate friend group had reactions or knew people that have reactions like that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:20.15)Right. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (05:32.918)And so I decided to start a Facebook group and within just a couple of years, it went from zero to 900,000 people with similar reactions to ours. so around the time we started our Facebook group, I decided to like look at the research and initially I thought it was kind of this hippie hippie thing that, you know, science hadn’t caught up with, but I was really surprised that there was so much scientific evidence and so much research. And so I decided to ask Brandon if he would be willing to document our journey to interview researchers and impacted families so that we could share the information that we learned with those impacted. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:12.525)Wow. Well, you know, what’s really amazing about this story is when many of us think about food dyes, we think about Froot Loops or, you know, Skittles or things that for many of us and not, you know, not all, but for many of us, it’s, you know, Halloween. Maybe my kids will have some Skittles or whatever. But you’re talking about over the counter medications. And in the film, there’s, you know, the home products, toothpaste. Things that people are using and it’s a tiny amount can really adversely affect your child, which to me is absolutely shocking. Benadryl. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (06:51.598)Yeah. Yes, that was shocking for us too, because if your child has a neurologic reaction in that way, a very small amount can trigger that kind of a reaction. for our son, even one mini marshmallow, which the name brand JetPuff marshmallows have blue one, he one day consumed one mini marshmallow and then we had a reaction for 72 hours and it was his teachers noticed it. His teacher met me outside and was like, I’ve never seen him act like this before. Like was, is everything okay at home? And I was like, it was that one mini marshmallow. And then even fast forward, that was when he was in preschool. But fast forward now, he’s going to second grade and he’s been in a public school. goes to an incredible STEM school. just it, while we’ve been at this school, we haven’t had a single time where he’s had a meltdown or been upset or hit anyone. He’s like literally in the 99th percentile in like reading and math. He’s successful socially, academically. And just to compare that to we had, I mean, initially we had a teacher assigned to him so that he didn’t hurt other kids when he was at his mother’s morning out. Like it was such a stark difference in our child. And what was even crazier as we dug in even deeper, like there were so many families that have reactions like this or worse. Many families have Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:44.846)Well. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (08:10.022)much worse reactions. And what we’ve learned along the way is like everybody is kind of on a spectrum. like not every single kid is on the end of the spectrum as our son where he has these like big reaction to synthetic dyes. It’s, know, some kids might be on the low end of the spectrum where they can consume synthetic dyes and there’s really no noticeable, noticeable difference. And then some kids, you know, it may affect them a little, they may be a little irritable or have a little bit of sleep in it. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:15.897)Great. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (08:38.262)And it may be more like a toxic buildup. Like the more they have multiple days in a row, the worse it gets. then, and then you have our kids who are like kids, like our son, who’s on like the far end of the spectrum that just a little bitty amounts, can affect them. and the, and, and the only like thing that, that, that we’ve heard about, about like, what could be causing this with kids? Like our son is there was a big study done in Europe, which is the reason why Europe has a warning label on synthetic dyes. And so we went and interviewed. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:41.037)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (09:06.754)that researcher, Dr. Jim Stevenson, and he’s also very interested in genetics. And so while he was doing that study, he also took a cheek swab of all the kids that were participating. And so what he found is that a lot of the kids who had those stronger reactions had this one variant in like a histamine gene. So histamines are like a neurotransmitter. So there could be that genetic variance in the kids that are having these extreme reactions to synthetic dyes. And very early on, we assumed that Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:23.566)Wow. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (09:36.012)the number of kids who have that type of reaction was going to be very low. like, and the data points to, know, they probably more armor on the rare side, the kids that have these extreme reactions. But like Whitney said, with a group of 900,000 people, we’re hearing thousands upon thousands of stories that are very similar to ours or like she said, even worse. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:50.339)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:54.489)Well, as a parent, what’s infuriating, there’s a, you or there’s an interview in the documentary about scientists saying no humans should be consuming these additives that are artificial and very detrimental to the body, the gut, so many different aspects. It’s sort of like saying, we’re just giving your child a little bit of rat poison, you know, maybe they won’t react, but little bit’s okay. And so, You know, on so many levels, how are these dyes in our system? How are they allowed in Europe? You many of them are not. And in your case, it was just these medications. But think about how many families are unknowingly consuming them in, I mean, the sources we could talk about, they’re in breakfast cereals, they’re in common foods, they’re in bubble gum, they’re in candy, they’re in Gatorade, right? They’re in toothpaste. There’s just so many products. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (10:46.126)Hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:49.699)when you start to look out there that contain these dyes. It’s like billion dollar industry. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (10:52.269)Right. Yeah, well, and if you look back, the approval process for these synthetic dyes happened in the 50s, 60s and 70s. So, I these are, this is decades ago and the FDA is not required to ever like, once they approve something, there’s no, there’s no like obligation for them to like, like reevaluate a chemical. so there’s, know, dyes luckily are a very regulated chemical. Like they’re, they’re so potentially harmful that every single batch of synthetic dye has to be batch certified. So, Anytime the company makes a batch of synthetic dye, they have to send a sample of that into the FDA. They have to like test it to make sure there’s the allowable, the allowable amount of like heavy metals and carcinogens and things like that. So, making sure they’re not, they’re not passing that threshold. So they are pretty regulated, but the approval process for safety, these tests were done decades ago and the test at the time we’re not capable of detecting like the behavioral and neurological issues that we now know that they. that they now know exist because of microscopic changes in the brain. Like they could not detect that. Yeah, there’s animal studies. It’s either animal studies or test tube studies that showed like certain synthetic dyes can make microscopic changes in the brain. So that’s where it gets a little bit different from like an allergy. Like a lot of people try to associate it kind of like an allergy, but allergies can’t make something that you’re allergic to, can’t make a microscopic change in the brain. this is a different- children are allergic to synthetic You can’t have like a reaction type allergy to synthetic dyes. So that doesn’t exist, especially like, I think red 40 is a big one that people are actually allergic to. But what we’re kind of focusing on in the film goes beyond that. And it’s these neurological impacts and changes. then, know, there’s a lot of associations with cancer for certain dyes, especially red three. So it’s just this weird Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:21.54)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (12:45.378)bureaucracy of, you know, the FDA has long said, you know, they’re understaffed and they don’t have enough resources to tackle these sorts of things. And their big focus is obviously on the pharmaceutical side of the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration. You know, there’s multiple advisory boards for the pharmaceutical side, but currently there is no food advisory board. there’s like, it’s really crazy and it’s really messed up. then on top of that, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:10.542)Yeah. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (13:15.682)Like you said, industry has been using these products for so long that they’ve become a marketing tool and they have, they spend tons and tons of money lobbying anytime there’s any kind of legislation to like, to make these changes or have these dyes looked at or evaluated or regulated. So it’s a, it’s a Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:20.495)It’s crazy. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:26.904)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:32.483)Well, that’s the power to the people, right? This film, and you mentioned it came out right around when Red’s Eye was banned, which for many of us were like, my gosh, amazing. We didn’t think that something like this could actually happen. So it gives me hope that more and more people have this information and speak up and are pushing for that change because a lot of people, you know, you guys were talking about the film, it just wasn’t really talked about. But now people are starting to talk about it. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (13:58.834)Yeah. Yeah. People that that’s, that’s, that’s awesome. But even with red three, like it’s awesome that red three was banned, but it took 35 years for it to happen. like red three was banned in cosmetics in 1990 because studies showed that it caused cancer in animals, but it was already permanently approved in food. So for 35 years, the FDA said they were going to take steps to remove it from food. They just drug their feet and never did it. And then of course you had, you know, the petition, that actually it was the cause of the, of red three getting banned was supposed. think they have like a FDA supposed to have like a 40 day window to respond to a petition. Well, that petition happened in 2022. And so it didn’t like, they didn’t address it until they finally announced that they were going to ban it. think the, you know, with a lot of things happening and a lot of, a lot of this knowledge of getting out there, there was a lot of people talking about it and red three was kind of the low hanging fruit. You know, we already, we’ve, it’s already banned and Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:39.043)No. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:51.522)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (14:55.704)cosmetics, it’s known to be a, it’s known to cause cancer in animals. like, you know, it’s almost like they gave us a little bit like, okay, we’re going to go ahead and ban red three. But just like you said, it’s taking people making this conversation louder to actually make changes happen. And that’s not to take away from how powerful this is. Like that’s incredible. But to your point, it took so much to just make that happen. And legally the FDA is not Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:11.375)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (15:24.43)legally allowed to because of the Delaney clause, they’re not allowed to have things in our food system that we know cause cancer in animals. Like that’s pretty intuitive. We don’t want anything in our food system that causes cancer in animals. And I don’t, I don’t think anybody could make a good argument for why we would need these high risk cancer studies on humans. If we know it causes cancer in animals, I think we should not have in our food system. But they’re legally not allowed to do that, but they kept it in our food system for 35 years. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:53.23)Wow. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (15:53.432)Like that’s the year before I was born to put that in perspective. Like that’s a very long time. And the reality is now, know, Brandon was talking about how initially when they were approved, you know, we didn’t, we weren’t able to do the studies that needed to be done to see if they were safe is the reality. But now we have 27 clinical trials, just looking at children and the neurologic behavior or the neurologic issues that we see. And so that’s a lot when it comes to food additives, like that’s unheard of to have so many studies. And that’s just looking at children and to your point, like we can look at the carcinogenic risk, the genotoxicity, the issues that it plays in our gut, the allergic reaction, like there are so many and honestly, I don’t think science has caught up to the effects, to all the cumulative effects of having synthetic dyes, know, regularly, even if you just look at the sleep, like so many children, you know, they have insomnia whenever they consume dyes and so, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:25.423)All right. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (16:52.846)A lot of people, their child will be on an antibiotic. They’re like, they’re not sleeping all night. It must be because they’re sick. When in reality, it could be the die because that’s exactly how many children happen. so if they’re on this loop where they’re eating something colorful in the morning and then they go to school and they have a pop tart for snack. then when they go home, they have, you know, a strawberry or a cherry Gatorade at basketball practice and they go to sleep and they can’t sleep and they’re up all night. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:00.312)Right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:09.912)Mmm. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (17:20.824)you know, there’s so much healing that goes on at night in your body. And so many families have reported like ticks or certain other neurologic issues that are made worse when their child consumes dyes. And so I think that there’s a lot more issues. And the reality is that like Brandon said, that synthetic dyes are a marketing tool. They are only used to make our food look bright and beautiful so that consumers will want to buy them. They don’t add to the taste. On the contrary, they actually make food Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:47.247)Right. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (17:49.39)taste chemically if they use too much of a synthetic dye. And so there’s really no point, especially when many of the synthetic dyes are used to market children’s food so that children will want to buy them. There’s something very dirty about the fact that like things like PediaShirt contained red 3 for decades. And we knew that, we knew that red 3 caused cancer in animals. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:02.029)Great. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:06.029)Yes. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (18:15.8)But like our children, they struggled to gain weight and our pediatrician suggested PediaShare. Luckily I, you know, I made something at home, like I made like a protein smoothie, but so many families just opt to an easy option like PediaShare. Because their doctor tells them to. And it’s, and I don’t even know the doctors. I don’t think that there’s anything evil about doctors. They’re just not trained. They don’t know. And we’ve educated our doctors on it. And it’s just… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:29.591)All right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:36.548)No. Brandon & Whitney Cawood (18:40.074)We, our goal with our film, it’s obviously to create awareness. And when awareness happens, when people know, when people are informed, then change can actually take place. Well, and one thing that that’s like not talked about a whole lot is I’m going to butcher it. I’m going to butcher this definition, but like the FDA has a legal definition of safe when it comes to food additives. And it’s something along the lines of like a reasonable certainty of no harm, but like That’s we’re so far from we have so many studies showing that there there is strong evidence of harm. like technically these chemicals are not like even by the FDA is on definition. I don’t think they can be labeled as safe, but they you know, they have been for so long. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:19.759)All right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:23.385)So a couple of things in there. When you were saying that, the first thing that came to mind is how ironic this is in the broad scope. Because when you look at natural foods, blueberries and strawberries and kale and watermelon, natural foods are so colorful. And where are we in society where we’re making all these artificial colors that are just to make junky foods look bright and fresh instead of, I know this is like a larger systemic issue, but just getting our children Brandon & Whitney Cawood (19:51.105)It is. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:52.879)from the get-go used to nature’s candies, you know, like these natural foods, because there’s so much coal in nature. And then the other thing I wanted to ask you guys about all these research studies and you know, there’s red dye, and then I hear you guys talking about food dyes, like as a category, are the studies on specific ones? How many are there behind red, you know, besides red dye? I there’s yellow dye, there’s blue dye, and is it possible to create like a multi-band? Brandon & Whitney Cawood (19:56.812)Right. You’re so right. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (20:22.371)where instead of,

  This Week’s Episode Special Guest: Soren Gordhamer In this enlightening conversation, Kimberly Snyder and Soren Gordhamer explore the themes of mindfulness, presence, and self-discovery in an age filled with distractions. They discuss the importance of embracing emotions, living from a place of fullness rather than lack, and the role of technology and AI in our lives. Soren shares insights from his book, ‘The Essential,’ emphasizing the need for authenticity, connection, and creating conditions for our gifts to flourish. The dialogue encourages listeners to reflect on their own journeys and the impact of their choices on personal and collective well-being. About Soren Gordhamer SOREN GORDHAMER is the founder + host of Wisdom 2.0, the premier conference for exploring living with greater mindfulness, wisdom, and compassion in the modern age. His new book THE ESSENTIAL: Discovering What Really Matters in an Age of Distraction explores the influence of AI and cutting through distractions to uncover what truly matters in our lives, and engaging purposefully and creatively. He is the founder + host of Wisdom 2.0, the premier conference exploring living with greater mindfulness, wisdom, and compassion in the modern age. It brings the leaders of technology together with leaders in wisdom to explore how we can create a truly livable world. He is also founder and host of Wisdom & AI, an annual event that explores the impact AI will have on society and how we can harness it wisely. Soren is also the founder of the Lineage Project a New York City-based nonprofit that offers awareness-based practices to at-risk and incarcerated teens. He also spent a year walking through parts of the United States, India, Pakistan, and Japan as a part of the Global Walk for a Livable World. He is also a Co-Founder and General Partner of Wisdom Ventures, along with Jack Kornfield and Yung Pueblo, which invests in companies creating a more just and compassionate world. He and Jon Kabat-Zinn also co-hosted the Mitigation Retreat, which was a free 3-month course held every weekday offering meditations and teachings during Covid. He has taught techies at Google, incarcerated youth in New York City, and trauma survivors in Rwanda. Soren is currently focused on the impact AI will have on our world, and how our society can prepare. Episode Sponsors: MOMENTOUS OFFER: Head to livemomentous.com and use code KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription. That’s code KIMBERLY at livemomentous.com for 35% off your first subscription. USE LINK: livemomentous.com Code: KIMBERLY for 35% off your first subscription.   GREENS POWDER OFFER: Go to mysolluna.com and use the CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. USE LINK: mysolluna.com CODE: PODFAM15 for 15% off your entire order. Guest Resources Book: THE ESSENTIAL: Discovering What Really Matters in an Age of Distraction Website: https://www.wisdom2summit.com/ Social: @wisdomventures   Episode Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Mindfulness and Presence02:49 Navigating Chaos and Embracing Emotions06:01 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Healing09:00 Living from Fullness vs. Lack12:00 Understanding Our True Essence15:07 The Role of Inquiry in Personal Growth18:01 Practical Steps to Connect with Self21:02 The Impact of Information on Our Lives24:04 Nurturing the Next Generation27:03 Conclusion: The Gift of Presence and Authenticity27:26 Understanding Misunderstanding: Embracing Our True Selves28:52 Visionaries and the Courage to Follow Inner Guidance30:25 The Role of Technology in Human Connection32:45 Wellness: The Balance Between Self-Care and Self-Obsession34:52 The Intersection of Spirituality and Health37:48 AI and Humanity: Navigating the Future Together41:14 Rethinking Society in the Age of AI44:50 The Essence of Humanity: Connection Over Technology47:52 Creating Conditions for Our Gifts to Flourish   SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:00.6)Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited for our very special guest here with me today, Soren Gordhammer. He has a new book out, which I absolutely love and did read cover to cover. It’s called The Essential, Discovering What Really Matters in an Age of Distraction. Soren is also the founder and host of Wisdom 2.0, the premier conference for exploring lives with greater mindfulness, wisdom and compassion in the modern age. Thorne, thank you so much for being here with us today. Soren Gordhamer (00:34.169)It’s great to be here. Thank you for inviting me. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:36.718)No, you and I were chatting before the podcast and we were just going on and on. said, wait a second. We had to make record. is. Soren Gordhamer (00:41.425)Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I’m super excited to talk to you because it feels like, you know, it’s always nice to meet somebody who kind of comes to the same kind of like insights, but maybe for slightly different channels. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (00:56.088)There are so many topics in the book and I ear, what’s the word, dog ear or ear march or whatever you like to call it. I fold it down so many different pages, Soren. I’m like, I really love this. This piece of wisdom really speaks to me. it’s, you know, it’s just something that in the way that you’re packaging is so beautiful. You talk about wholeness, you talk about presence. It’s funny because I had a really challenging morning this morning. I’ll share with you. Soren Gordhamer (01:01.222)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:24.654)I was reading your book afterwards, my son’s who I love so much, one’s in preschool and one’s in third grade. You know, boy energy, I know you have a son as well. And there was just this, you know, like fighting over toys, breakfast, and just so many things. And I was sitting there and I was breathing. And one of the things you talk about in the book is the tension builds when we’re not resisting. And it’s funny because, and I was reading that part of your book after this. Soren Gordhamer (01:49.264)Mmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:53.186)And when I became a new mom, and I know we have a lot of moms in the community, it was just, it just felt so challenging to really, you know, have to manage all these different personalities and all these different energies. And it’s not that it’s not challenging now, but a little bit further along the path toward, there is a lot of wisdom in what you said about just sort of being in chaos or messiness. Soren Gordhamer (02:05.2)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (02:09.915)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (02:18.555)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:20.042)and not trying to wish it with something else and just sort of relax into it. Soren Gordhamer (02:22.799)Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s really our challenge today. There’s so much coming at us and I think virtually there’s even more coming at us than our phone pings and alerts and the energy just can get pretty intense. And part of the reason, you know, I really kind of questioned or struggled with the subtitle as like, how do we, you know, discovering what really matters in an age of, is it distraction? Is it stress? Is it turmoil? Like, what’s that word? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (02:33.154)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (02:49.037)And I think it’s more that there’s just so much coming at us that we lose center, we lose balance. And when we come back, just like you did to our breath, to our body, to how we’re feeling, it’s not like the kids all of a sudden start behaving better, but our resistance to them and our frustration with them and our anger towards them takes on a different context because we’re no longer seeing them as the enemy. We’re seeing that there’s this challenge coming through and that we get the opportunity to respond. And how might the response expand me? How might it open my heart? How might it develop my compassion versus like, this should not be happening. They should not be doing this thing. They are the problem. The problem needed to be solved. And I’m not saying they don’t need to have rules and guidelines and sometimes have repercussions for their actions, but the energy behind that can either be one of this should not be happening. You’re doing something wrong. or it can be the energy of just like, wow, this moment is inviting me into something. How do I expand into it? And I think that inquiry is really the inquiry that we need to make. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:48.942)Exactly. it’s really, there’s a part of the book where you talk about feeling a full spectrum of feelings and knowing that as humans, do experience all these things. And that’s part of, I think, what real presence is in aliveness. Because many of us are not taught to feel feelings. know Sorin, for as an adult, I’m unlearning and relearning a lot. And part of that is saying, wow, you know, there was so much of my… Soren Gordhamer (04:10.545)We’re all, yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:16.216)childhood and what I learned to be like, this doesn’t feel good. Let me prove my worth. Try to mitigate this pain of not feeling lovable by, hey, look at my A’s, look at my perfect grade, look at this. Right. And so then there’s a lot of blocks and things that, you know, certainly in your book can spark just a different way of revisiting things that you can do. Soren Gordhamer (04:27.673)Yeah, yeah. Soren Gordhamer (04:38.265)Yeah, think, yeah, and what I tried to do in a very, hopefully, you know, honest way is just to tell my story around it and how I got accustomed to the fact that I’m carrying my past with me in the present moment. And how do I become curious about the stories, the myths, and the attitudes that I kind of grew up with that are carrying me today that maybe don’t serve me. And sometimes I like to think of it as like cages. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:02.744)Yes. Soren Gordhamer (05:06.309)that we put up or armor that we put up. And at one point in our life, we did need to put that armor up because it was really dangerous outside and so we needed bars. And then that danger leaves, but we’re still walking around with bars. You know, the bars are still in the cage and we have to go back and like tend to those parts of ourselves that are still hurt, that are still in pain, that are still wounded. So we can show those parts that it’s safe now to let down some of those bars and open our heart in a way that maybe we couldn’t when we were younger. And so I talk about how my own life has unfolded and how my drive to be successful was in part a way of covering up an early pain I had of being a kid and my parents divorcing, my mom leaving and live with my dad. And the narratives that I started to develop around unworthiness and of course something must be wrong with me. Why else would your mom leave and your parents divorce? And there’s something I did. And if you had asked me, like I would say, oh no, I don’t have that thought, I’m fine. But when I really took a deep look at it, I realized that there was this unconscious motivation driving me and it was never fulfilled. was not like, oh, I made it now. I did the successful this or the successful that. There was just like a constant seeking and a constant running. And I think the only way to be free of that is to question that story and to be like, is that really true? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:26.894)Mm. Soren Gordhamer (06:27.033)and to go back and to see if we can heal whatever parts of ourselves that we exiled or pushed away. So for me, a lot of it was in order to be a success, I have to push away my vulnerability and my not knowing and my fear. Like I have to make sure that nobody sees those, only people see my confidence and my happiness. And yet we’re humans, we’re all of it. Parts of us are fearful, parts of us are angry, parts of us are happy. For me, that wholeness involves embracing all those parts and not just building an identity around a pain that we had that really doesn’t serve us. through my conference, I’ve been able to interview, as you probably have, some of the most successful people in the world. I’ve interviewed the founders of OpenAI and Anthropic and LinkedIn and eBay and PayPal and all the different companies. And it’s not like those people succeeded, but not all of them have been healed where they’re actually satisfied and content. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:01.794)Right. Soren Gordhamer (07:24.965)And I think how do we live in a way that’s content with the present moment and when our heart is open and we don’t necessarily have this like enormous either thriving energy or fear energy. I think it can go either way. Either we’re thriving towards success or we’re afraid of putting ourselves out there. We’re afraid of being seen. So we’re just going to spend our days on TikTok or Instagram or the news because we’re kind of hiding out in our apartment or our house and the life. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:28.59)more Soren Gordhamer (07:51.801)question is just like, do we move forward and how do we more fully show up in the world in an authentic way? And that was my hope with the book was just to kind of share my journey in that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:02.614)Yes, I love all the stories along the way and the honesty. you know, if people are different parts of the journey, soreness, sometimes we think, well, hmm, how do I know if I am stuck in the story or I am in the past? And I could say for me personally, one of the biggest markers of my growth has been just feeling more peace because we’re on that treadmill of achievement. What we would say is the propelled heart stage. Soren Gordhamer (08:17.649)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:32.686)It’s like always on, like you said, social media, always consuming, always producing, always trying to uphold this persona or this mask or this identity. And then there’s that dopamine hit if you get a viral post or whatever it is, but it’s not really sustainable. And if we’re really honest with ourselves, it’s not really peaceful. It’s like walking on this razor’s edge of like, hey, let’s just up and down. And there’s something to be really said of, know, things aren’t always going to work out. It’s not always going to look. Soren Gordhamer (08:41.061)Mm-hmm. Soren Gordhamer (08:44.496)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (08:56.593)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (09:00.913)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:02.646)you know, neat and pretty and how we want, but can I find more peace with what is with myself? Soren Gordhamer (09:08.24)Yeah, yeah, 100%. I think that’s the number one thing. if we do that, and we were talking before, the creativity that comes out of you is so much different than just that striving for some future moment that this moment doesn’t have. And if I can just get this moment, if I can just get my life situation in this little perfect way, everything is going to be great, right? If I can get all these things and we’ve seen it again and again and again, it doesn’t necessarily satiate, right? There’s still this sense of lack. And I think that’s really a beautiful question. Are we living from lack? Are we living from fullness? And I’d like to think we can create more things. We can make more money. We can have better friends. We can be a better partner, better parent when we actually know ourselves and we’re coming more from a place of fullness rather than a place of lack. And when you’re with somebody and you can feel that lack and they could have bazillions of dollars and be the most famous person in the world. Like they could have all the external, but internally they still feel lack. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:55.032)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (10:05.435)They feel like they’re not enough. And I think that is the thing that we have to be so careful of and the algorithms that now run our lives on social media. Give us lack. Yeah. They make a ton of money on us feeling lack and continuing to stay on the scroll of the next hit and the next thing and keeping us glued to that. it’s… Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:13.696)Attention. Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (10:27.633)I want to complain about that, but it’s just the truth. There’s a system there that wants you to feel lack because it makes more money the more you feel lack. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:36.48)Mm, you know, it’s funny, so when you and I were talking about the journey a little bit and earlier on, as I mentioned, I was pulled into this celebrity world and I was just pretty fresh off of backpacking and it wasn’t something that I planned or chose. A lot of people like, how did you do that? Like I didn’t try, I don’t know what it’s taken to this day. I’m not a movie person. Suddenly I’m on and, you know, what was really interesting, cause I would ask God I aspire. I’m like, why am I here? Soren Gordhamer (10:58.971)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:06.178)And then I started to get this knowingness, know, everything is growth, everything is learning. And one of the growths for me was sort of getting that inner peak into some of these, you know, the lives of people that are on all the magazine covers and be the most famous, the most beautiful and all the timeless and, know, people’s most, whatever beautiful list and having a lot of anxiety amplified and Soren Gordhamer (11:09.275)Mm-hmm. Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (11:20.421)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (11:24.835)Mm-hmm. Soren Gordhamer (11:31.845)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:32.674)then there’s a part of the book where you say, this system that you speak about is trying to convince us that what is not really essential, like what all these celebrities are doing or having the most followers or all these things aren’t really essential to our wholeness and our wellbeing. It’s not gonna bring the connection to our hearts, to ourselves, to other people. And so it is this giant fallacy. And I’m not saying, Soren Gordhamer (11:42.513)Thank Soren Gordhamer (11:51.653)Yeah. Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (11:58.267)Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:00.728)Believe, you know, I’m not trying to say, know, the amazing things came out of that period and it certainly helped to find my voice as an author and things. I’m very grateful. But it was, it was a little bit, at the time of being in my early twenties, a little bit disconcerting, like, you know, why is the world as it is? Like, why are we striving for something that just feels like the compass is so off? Soren Gordhamer (12:06.118)Yeah. Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (12:19.238)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (12:24.985)Yeah, I think it’s because we don’t know who we are. We don’t know who we are. And when we can better understand who we are, which is only an inner journey, like nobody can tell you who you are, but you can get glimpses of who you truly are, like the beauty that you truly are, independent of the shape of your body or the age of your body or your intellect or your bank account or your number of followers. There’s like a beauty to each one of us. And I think when we discover that, we walk Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (12:29.495)Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (12:53.521)through the world a little differently. Granted, we will forget it probably 10,000 times going forward, but if we can get in touch with that inner dimension, that inner knowing, that inner intelligence, I think that’s the only medicine. And then if life wants us to be a successful actor, actress, amazing, and we can play that role, we can do that dance, or an ex, or a CEO of the largest company, whatever, we can play that dance, but we know that’s just a dance. We know that’s not who we are. So we’re not living in this incredible fear that we’re going to lose that status that we have, or there’s a more beautiful model that’s coming up, who’s going to take over our job and then we’ll be less than again, and this fear of lack, this constant searching back and forth. So I think the beauty is to know who we are and then to be able to play in this world of form. mean, isn’t it amazing to write books or to post things or to build companies? It’s all like amazing. if our identity doesn’t depend on it, if we think that I’m this now, I’ll be more of a better person or my rank will increase when I get this, we’re totally lost the path versus like, know who I am and this just wants to be expressed out of me and I’m just going to enjoy it and celebrate it. And I’ve always liked the Buddha, the Buddha said, I teach the path that’s glorious in the beginning, glorious in the middle and glorious in the end. And it might be hard, but there still needs to be a gloriousness with it, right? Like you’re in the process of creating a business or writing a book or doing something. And we feel like we’re supercharged by a power that we’re aligned with that makes that moment so sweet. And we still want to create something and we still want to make an impact. And I think that’s the balance that when we can find that balance, extraordinary things come from that. And it’s not so much by me, but it’s through us, right? We’re tuned to something and it’s happening through us. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:37.708)Yes. Soren Gordhamer (14:41.145)And we can feel like, and we talked about, it’s just the most beautiful feeling because we realized we’re just a channel for something to move through and we each have different karmic assignments, right? So one person might, karmic assignment might be to go into the food industry or the fashion industry or the healthcare industry or whatever. And it doesn’t matter really. I mean, it’s not like, this form is better than being a hermit or being a spiritual teacher is better than being a business owner. Like, I don’t think so. I just think we have different karmic assignments and then how do we fully embody what those are from a place of deep love and compassion and openness. And I think that’s what the world is hungry for. We’re hungry for that presence and that authenticity. And I think the algorithms tell us on you just keep staying here and we’re going to eventually give you something satisfying, but you just keep have to stay in here long enough. And so like people spend four to five hours a day on the platforms and Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (15:22.093)Yes. Soren Gordhamer (15:34.457)I just think it’s really, really sad. And I totally understand using the platforms for business and, you know, it’s where people’s attention are and it makes sense to have some engagement. But there’s a moment where it shifts from like, this is useful use of social media to now I’m just bored and lonely and I’m just being fed this algorithm that doesn’t serve me. And I think it’s really important for us to know when that turn happens so that we’re aware and we realize like, wow, what actually matters to me? Maybe it calling a friend or going for a walk. or going to a yoga class or meditating or, you know, there’s certain things that are probably more nurturing than being caught in that loop. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:12.48)Yes, yes, it’s true. It’s, I think a lot of people listening to this can say, know that feeling of sort of disconnection or not feeling really peaceful or really fulfilled. And there is a journey between what you’re saying, knowing who we are, which sounds, you know, it sounds true, but there’s also practical steps. And for me, it’s practice, consistency to get there. Because I think about myself, you know, 15 years ago when I was starting really out on the path and the anxiety and the masks and they’re not really knowing who I was. I used sit and meditate and I was, you and I am and I still follow the teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda, Kriya Yoga, and now our own Heart Aligned Meditation and that consistency soren of sitting in meditation and also in nature, not having my phone, the stillness and the spaciousness. Soren Gordhamer (16:45.937)Yeah. Yeah. Soren Gordhamer (16:54.661)Yeah, yeah. Soren Gordhamer (16:59.334)Mmm. Soren Gordhamer (17:07.557)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:08.384)and inquiry because your books raise a lot of, you know, I love to read and sort of reflection have helped me progress. Those are some of the practical steps I would say. What are some of the practices or steps you would say to someone or what’s really helped you to go from identified with a mask or spaciousness of I know more of who I am. Soren Gordhamer (17:13.509)Mm-hmm. Soren Gordhamer (17:25.659)Yeah. Hehehehe Soren Gordhamer (17:32.891)That’s a beautiful question. I think, you I appreciate what you said about my book because I try to make it more of an inquiry for people. So at the end of the chapter, I’ll be like, you you might want to ask, what are the stories that are running your life? I’m not going to tell people what stories are running their life or assume, but I think that kind of inquiry is actually really, really valuable. It’s like, huh, you know, it’s almost like we’re handed a backpack and it’s all the stories of, you know, our society and our family. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:57.835)You Soren Gordhamer (18:01.041)And at some point it helps to look in that backpack and be like, are these true for me? Like, what are the stories that seem impactful for me? And I think to discover who we really are, it’s not a story, right? It’s not like even we can say I’m a spiritual person. Like to me, that’s so limiting because like we are the essence of the cosmos, you know, really like the big bang happened, whatever 13 billion years ago. We are the expression of that. Like we are the energy of that. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (18:22.358)is. Soren Gordhamer (18:29.859)you know, what els

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Bob (00:41.294)Thank you. feels surreal to be talking to the master author herself, author of some of the best books, eight books, and be a first time author. So I feel really lucky and I feel really grateful because I know your audience is just incredible, so heartfelt and loving and open. And I feel so lucky to connect with them and share more about the book and more about some of the lessons and themes in it that I’m hopeful to be really supportive of for them. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:07.907)You know, I remember we were on the same flight going to Mexico or wanderlust. I think it was last year, a year and a half ago. I flew only with Momo, my little one. And I remember distinctly waiting for our bags. And you started telling me that you were about to write the book or you were thinking about writing the book. And so was just that Genesis back then. I remember that spark was, was just being lit. So. Bob (01:12.982)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (01:38.145)Tell us about the decision. As an author, it’s like very near and dear to my heart, the decision to actually put pen to paper, so to speak, writing. The written word is very different format of communication. Bob (01:52.398)Yeah, I remember meeting at the airport too and spending the best week with Momo in Mexico. And, you know, for anyone listening that has something to say or a story to tell or something they believe that should be heard, just encouraging them to start writing, to start doing, to put themselves out there. I was someone that for so long knew that there was a book inside of me, knew that there was a book inside Lindsay and I, but we just wanted the right time to come up. You know, I wanted to feel like… I was the type of woman that could write the type of book that we wrote with almost 30. When we started the show, we were on our closet floors. We were at rock bottom. I felt so lost in life and I felt like I should have known more answers. I felt like I didn’t have a purpose and I would say I was at my worst. And through the years of doing the show, through the years of doing so much self-development work and deepening my spirituality and really coming back home to myself, I’ve really found out. all of the ways in which you can really create and sculpt a life that you love, that have worked for myself, for my best friend and co-host, for some of the experts on the podcast and for some of our audience. And so I wanted to feel first, like I was ready. I wanted to feel secondly, like it was divinely guided and supported and the process of getting the book teal and writing the book was so divinely guided and supported. It was so stunning. And so, and then third, I wanted to feel like I really had something to say. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:11.629)Yeah. Bob (03:17.782)I wanted to feel like the book was meaningful and I think there’s a lot of self-help books out there. There’s a lot of books that people tell you that you should read, that you have to read, and I’m not gonna tell you that you should read or have to read my book, but I wanted to actually feel like I as a reader would get as much value from it as the person would reading it. And so I really feel like all those things came together. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (03:35.48)Hmm. Beautiful. So I think for me picking up the book for the first time and maybe people listening to this Krista, it’s called Almost 30. Is this book for people almost 30 and you guys started the show at that, you know, around that point in your life and now, you know, many of us have crossed over 30. it’s relevant for, you know, women and people of any age and then we’ll Bob (03:47.886)It’s me. Mm-hmm. Bob (03:55.18)Yeah. Bob (03:59.711)I myself have crossed that bridge. Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:07.528)into that, the Saturn return and that particular period. Bob (04:11.694)Yeah, so it is for anyone of any age. And the reason why it’s called Almost 30 is because the podcast Almost 30 that Lindsay and I do started when we were almost 30, when we were in this period of time called the Saturn Return. It’s a really important astrological transit that I wish I knew about when I was in my 27 to 30 year period. What happens during the Saturn Return is that astrologically Saturn, the planet revisits the same point in your natal chart as it was in the sky when you were born. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (04:41.059)Mmm. Bob (04:41.314)And what this means plainly is that Saturn is the task master planet. So where each of the areas of your life that you’re living unaligned come up, they’ll be up for review. So say for an example, you’re in this period between 27 and 30, it’s around 29.5 years for most people. You are in a relationship that isn’t aligned with your soul, or you’re at a job that doesn’t let you up. During this time, you might break up with that person, you might leave your job, you might get fired. There’s a lot of change and transition that happens. And it can be really scary and it can be really jarring or it can be really beautiful for you seeing your life as something that has a lot of opportunity and positivity and magic. And there’s a lot of really important decisions that happen in this period. So where there’s information that applies to this period, it’s not just for people in this period because we always go through change. We always go through a transition. We’re always evolving and we’re always becoming. And the lessons in, know, sections in this are around career. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:31.084)Yes. Bob (05:40.022)around money, around nutrition and nourishment and the body. They’re around purpose and they’re around spirituality and search for meaning. And so the more important broader topics are topics we’ve talked about on the show over the past 10 years, but really the entry point is being in good relationship to change and really finding out who you are through the process. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (05:58.562)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:02.157)Beautiful and like you said, it is that particular moment in time, but there’s always ongoing change. remember that time and I was in New York and there’s a lot of changes going on and it was, you know, around when I started writing books and I well, I guess I started doing Korea yoga a little bit before that, but shortly after I moved to LA, but I have to say Krista since then having children and there’s been so many changes. So it really is. Bob (06:11.469)Mm-hmm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:31.191)you know, embracing that adaptability. Bob (06:33.558)Yeah, it’s huge. It’s one of the most important things we can be is flexible in life. It’s being really fierce about what we want and where we want to go and who we want to be, but being very flexible about how that comes. And when we can really apply flexibility to everything, to our spiritual practices, to our relationships, to our friendships, to our body, everything just gets better and easier and lighter. And we can not only love ourselves, but we can also love our life. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:38.071)Yes. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (06:58.657)Yes. And one of the things I love about how much you share and again, bracing change, and you’ve talked about this openly is, you know, with your dating life and your love life and you give talks at Bumble and you’ve done all these amazing, you give really amazing pieces of advice about being really authentic. Can you share a little bit, because I know we get a lot of questions about people feeling lonely, putting on masks when they’re on dating apps or trying to meet someone and actually, Bob (07:24.27)Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (07:27.361)My husband’s friend was here the other day and he’s not from LA, Krista, and he’s so sweet and he’s like very good looking, like very successful guy. And he’s like on Raya and he’s on these dating apps and he’s like, it’s really lonely. You know, he said that he just doesn’t, he doesn’t want to just hook up, but there’s sort of like, I don’t know. He said, it’s just hard out there. Bob (07:40.302)Mmm. Bob (07:47.586)See ya. Yeah, it is. It’s a very interesting place and just for background and reference for the audience. So I was married. I was in a relationship for 10 years and then I’ve been divorced for the past two years. I took a year off to heal and kind of recalibrate and then I entered the dating world, you know, in a totally different space and time with online dating and apps and matchmakers and all of these things. And so it’s been so eye opening and interesting. Yeah, there’s matchmakers too. Yeah. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:08.589)Mm. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:14.083)Let’s try the matchmaker. Wow. Bob (08:18.914)So they’re in like a lot of big cities, but basically people, mostly men pay to be set up with women. And then these matchmaking sites have women as a part of their database. So they’ll approach women online or in person and have them apply to the database. And then you get set up with these men that are with matchmakers. So people, all of that to say with online dating, with matchmakers, with all of these things, people are really lonely and looking for connection. And it makes a lot of sense that we’re more connected than ever in the digital world. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:35.309)Go. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (08:44.545)Yeah. Bob (08:48.622)but yet we feel more alone. It can feel really lonely to be inauthentic when we’re online and feel like we have to present as perfect or wear a mask. It can feel really lonely to go to your job and feel like you can’t be yourself and you’re inauthentic. And so the more inauthentic we are and the more invitations for inauthenticity, the lonely we’re going to feel because we’ve lost connection to the true version of us. I know for me when I was in the corporate world for six or eight years, I felt really lonely because I was being inauthentic all day. didn’t feel like I could be myself. I didn’t feel like I could be emotional or deep or curious or inquisitive or all the things that I love about myself. So I think there’s a few different things happening. There’s obviously the change of the landscape of dating where it’s more dopamine based, it’s more validation based, it’s very surface. It’s kind of hitting on people’s fears about love and relationships and people are really feeling like they’re struggling to find depth and. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (09:34.669)Yeah. Bob (09:42.378)meaningful connection and intention because of the pace. And then I also feel like because there’s so much invitation with the online world to be out of our authenticity and to perform, people really don’t have enough time to connect with the truth of who they are and be themselves fully and completely. And I’ve found that there is such a difference between being lonely and solitude. And Jay Shetty talks about this, but when we have solitude, we’re really choosing to be with ourselves and create intentional relationship with ourselves. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (10:04.547)Right. Bob (10:11.98)And then when we’re lonely, we’re almost feeling like we’re doing something wrong because we don’t have someone or we’re not with another person. And I’ve felt both experiences of both solitude and loneliness. And I know loneliness can be really hard, but I think what I seek to do the most is firstly with dating, I have the intention to just enjoy myself and have fun. I have the intention to meet people as they are. I’m not gonna meet every man and say, are you my husband? Are you gonna be the one that saves me? Are you gonna provide me with the life that I want? I just want people to show up as themselves. I want to show up as myself. I think secondly, I don’t do online dating or apps. I found it to be interesting and fun, but I didn’t feel like the frequency and the pace really fit me. And I told God that he needs to bring men in another way and God’s been doing that. So I just had a clear conversation with God about what works for me and what doesn’t. And then third, think being really mindful about the ways in which we’re closing our hearts repeatedly, know, and we’re kind of affirming these beliefs that we’re gonna be alone or that no one will find us and really continuing to have the hope that if God is the creator of earth and life and all things, that God can find the right person for you. And there can be that person that’s gonna be your perfect match. And lastly, really focusing on how you can feel really at peace and at home with yourself, even when you’re alone. Because I think no matter what in life, even if we have a partner or not, it’s really important that we cultivate and develop a sense of peacefulness when we are by ourselves. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (11:38.339)You know, there’s so much in that Krista, and I have to say, I love how clear you are in having that conversation with God. And I love how you use that word. I use it too. Yeah, you have sections in the book where you talk about really connecting to that, you know, that allness, that energy inside and around all things. Some people like to use the word spirit, creative source, universe, whatever it is, but we’re all talking about the same thing. And you Bob (11:44.865)Yep. Bob (12:03.042)Yeah, just to speak on that a little bit, just because I know for some people it can be triggering a little bit to hear the word God. You know, I was someone that grew up in the middle of Ohio and really conservative town and God for me was not a word I loved at all. was like, so like, if you would have heard me saying God, I’d be like, turn it off. Like so boring. Don’t like it kind of gave me just a feeling of constriction. And I almost had to reclaim the word God outside of religion and not allow. the structures and places of religion to take away what I know to be God, which is a benevolent being that loves me and works with me and collaborates me and is in support of my dreams and desires and only wants the best for me. And whether people call it God or universe or Allah or source or a Tom, whatever people want to use is totally fine. And I think they should find what works best for them. But I really found in reclaiming the word God, it almost felt like an act of rebellion a little bit for me against the structures and ways that religion took away this connection to something. that just loves us so deeply. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (13:02.167)That’s right. You Yogananda uses that word a lot. And in terms of this underneath all the dogma and all the different ways and religions and paths up, there is that one source, that one love. And so, yeah, so I very much connect to that. And I got really clear too, Krista, when I had my breakup and you and I have talked about this a little bit, I didn’t want to go on dating apps. And the monk that from the Self-Realization Fellowship said, you know, just feel, just work on yourself, like connect. So I read scriptures and meditated a lot and took care of Emerson, my older, for about eight or nine months. And then he also said to me, you know, your soulmate is like never far. Like the way, like, it’s like the circles are pretty close. And he just said, you know, just use your intuition and say yes to opportunities. So I remember this very interesting dinner party opportunity came up and I said, sure, why not? I don’t have other plans. And that’s when I met. John, who you’ve met. And it really was our first year of marriage was, you most challenging and like working out, being together and trauma came up, but it really can with this consciousness and this connection that you’re talking about, it does get deeper and deeper and more and more amazing. Now we’re in six years of marriage. you’re on me love. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:29.023)Opsies. Can you hear me? Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (14:37.687)Hmm. We’ll edit this part out, of course, but the sound just went out. you just came back. You came back. don’t know what you just. Yes, it went away and then came back. Okay. Bob (14:43.156)I know that’s so weird. Let me see. Okay, perfect. Is it back? Okay, good. Okay, good. Yeah, there’s two things I just want to say about what you just said, which are so beautiful. And the first is just to provide a little clarity on, you know, my conversation with God and, know, you can even provide yours because I think when people hear that they’re a little curious about what that conversation would be, especially if you’re someone that’s dating online or you want to find the person that you love. The way that I have a conversation with God like that is just getting really, really clear. getting really, really quiet and speaking in a way that’s very directive of like, God, I’m available in service to you and I’m no longer gonna pursue the apps. Like, please bring them in another way. know, please bring in men another way. I’m available for karmic relationships. I’m available for my person. Like saying what I’m available for and not. And whether it’s God or just the universe sort of responding to you and co-creating with you, you can be in clear choice. And in this situation, I think what’s most important is that my energy behind it is Truth and knowing and there’s no fear. I don’t feel scared to go back on the apps I don’t feel like there’s a Timeline where I’m gonna have to go back online and find someone so I think like you had such clarity and intention with your healing you were like I’m gonna heal I’m gonna focus on this and I’m gonna then also follow my intuition and be available for what’s possible There was no pressure. There was no forcing with any of it, which is so beautiful and I think when you put pressure on it and force it can make it hard and then Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:07.969)Yes. Bob (16:16.3)Just briefly, a second thing, which I love that you brought up about how hard the first year of your marriage was, because I think as you get older and you start to date and get into relationships, it’s really beautiful because you know who you are, you know your preferences, you know what’s important to you, you have deep relationships. But what’s also hard is that you also have more fear. You could have more protection. You could have more protector parts and ways of being that could keep you out of really deep love and relationships. And so, Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (16:38.531)Thank Bob (16:44.362)It can be really challenging at first when you commit to that new loving relationship because you’re going to have a lot of fears. Are they going to leave me? Are they going to abandon me? Are they going to cheat on me? Are they always going to do this thing? And you really actually have to work with a different set of things that come up when you’re older compared to when you’re younger. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (17:04.259)And also just when you really do find that love, for me it was, you’re not playing it safe anymore, there’s a vulnerability because you really are open to this person potentially hurting you. And so for me, it was leaning into real trust, trust in God, trust in me, trust in my partner and trust in life. So you talk about all these subjects in the book, love, you talk about. purpose and how family matters and I know you have really rich friendships and you travel all the time, would you say too, that heals the attachment that you’ve already been married, right? So it heals the attachment of like, have to get married again or like has to look a certain way. Cause I think that’s part of, you know, the expansiveness of life is sometimes it doesn’t always work out how we want it to be, but it can be amazing in many ways. Bob (17:40.343)Mm-hmm. Yes. Bob (17:55.062)Yeah, I’m so grateful for all the things that haven’t worked out for me. I wouldn’t have the life that I have without it. And I think when we can kind of see things is that it can get so much more beautiful. An example is that I was married and I think there is one way to view it where it’s like, could have had kids with someone. I could have had the house. I could have had all the things, but it wouldn’t have been a life that would have felt good for me. And I know from leaving that relationship that When we can choose what’s right for us and what’s intentional for us, our lives can get even better than we could have ever imagined. And when I left that relationship, I had no idea what would happen in my life. I had no idea if I would move, if I would find someone, if I would not find someone, if I would regret it. I just knew that it felt like the right decision for me at the time. And sometimes in life, the most beautiful paths are paths that we don’t know the destination to. We don’t know where we’re going. We don’t know where we’re being led. We just have to follow where we’re being called. And when I’ve done that in my life, my life has gotten even better. And another example is with Lindsay and I, know, when we started the podcast in 2016, she was the perpetually single one. She was always single. She was single for seven years. I was in a really long-term relationship with my ex-husband and now she’s married in Brooklyn with a baby. I’m single in LA with no kids. Like what was thought to be my path is now her path and vice versa. And so, Life just kind of throws things at you and takes you to where you need to go, even if you don’t know where you’re going at the time. And the more we can loosen the grip on this really small, defined idea we have of our lives and really expand into the belief that God has a better plan for us or universe has a better plan for us, the more magic we can allow in and the more miracles we can experience. Solluna By Kimberly Snyder (19:41.635)Yes, I think that really is the heart of connection, right? We’re so connected to the heart, to the true self. And then the attachments to this has to be a certain way and should be married by the time I’m 30. I should have a couple of kids by now, whatever it is. It loosens because the connection is always there. No matter what it looks like on the outside, it’s not gonna look like everybody else’s path and it’s okay. Bob (20:04.844)Yeah, think in your, a lot of the reason why we wrote Almost 32 was because in your 20s, know, up until your 26, from a brain science perspective, your prefrontal cortex hasn’t developed. So your prefrontal cortex is responsible for processing, for thinking into the future, for emotional regulation. So until that point, you’re actually working with an unconscious mind that’s really working on the programming from your parents, fro

Week’s Episode Special Guest: Ghanim Al Sulaiti In this episode Ghanim Al-Sulati shares his transformative journey from a traditional lifestyle to embracing a plant-based diet, inspired by Kimberly Snyder’s book the Beauty Detox Solution. He discusses the impact of food on health, the cultural challenges of veganism in Qatar, and the importance of education in nutrition. Ghanim highlights his entrepreneurial ventures, including the establishment of Evergreen Organics, and emphasizes the emotional and spiritual connections to food. He reflects on personal growth, the role of community, and the ongoing journey of self-discovery through food and lifestyle choices. In this conversation, Ghanim shares his journey of navigating challenges during COVID, the importance of building a sustainable business ecosystem in Qatar, and his commitment to giving back to the community. He discusses his deep connection to Qatar, the lessons learned from the desert, and the shift towards mindful eating and home cooking. Ghanim emphasizes the significance of presence in relationships and the evolution of family dynamics. He also outlines his vision for improving health in Qatar, particularly through increased fiber intake and promoting a vegan-friendly environment. About Ghanim Al Sulaiti Ghanim Al Sulaiti is a young Qatari entrepreneur passionate about creating a positive impact on society by promoting a plant based lifestyle. By trade, Ghanim is a qualified Engineer. In his spare time, he is a serial entrepreneur, founding his first business—Evergreen Organics—in 2016, and now has over 10 projects currently live or under development. All of these projects share the same vision and values as its founder—to be vegan, sustainable, and promote a healthier lifestyle. Equipped with a comprehensive understanding of the creative and operational procedures needed to produce excellent brands, Ghanim has a personal interest in developing dialogue about healthy living, veganism and sustainability. With a mind wired for logic and strategy and a desire motivated by the passion of creativity and business savviness, Ghanim is on a mission to help and transform people’s mindsets to live a lifestyle that helps their planet, their health, and their future. Ghanim has worked extensively with local schools and regional organizations such as Qatar Foundation, Ooredoo Doha Marathon, Qatar National Library, Qatar Financial Center, and the Qatar Investment Authority, producing educational programs to change the status quo. He holds a BSc in Civil Engineering from Drexel University, USA.   Episode Sponsors: LMNT: OFFER: Right now, for my listeners LMNT is offering a free sample pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at DrinkLMNT.com/FEELGOOD. 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USE LINK: fatty15.com/KIMBERLY Guest Resources Website: Evergreen Organics Social: @ghanim92 Linked IN: Ghanim Al-Sulaiti Episode Chapters Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Ghanim Al-Sulati and His Journey03:00 The Impact of Food on Health and Lifestyle06:07 Transitioning to a Plant-Based Lifestyle08:55 Cultural Perspectives on Veganism12:01 Education and Awareness in Nutrition15:00 Challenges and Support from Family17:59 Religious and Cultural Considerations20:56 The Evolution of Food Choices24:04 Personal Growth and Self-Discovery27:05 The Role of Food in Emotional Well-Being30:05 Building a Business Around Veganism32:59 Future Aspirations and Community Impact37:09 Navigating Challenges and Opportunities During COVID38:36 Building a Sustainable Business Ecosystem40:00 Giving Back to the Community and Empowering Others41:43 The Importance of Roots and Connection to Qatar43:50 Embracing the Desert and Its Lessons44:49 The Shift to Home Cooking and Mindful Eating46:47 The Energy of Intentional Touch and Connection49:00 Practicing Presence in Relationships51:36 The Evolution of Family Relationships53:35 A Vision for Health Improvement in Qatar SOLLUNA PRODUCT LINKS Glowing Greens Powder™ Feel Good SBO Probiotics Feel Good Detoxy Feel Good Digestive Enzymes Feel Good Starter Kit Feel Good Skincare KIMBERLY’S BOOKS Chilla Gorilla & Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart The Beauty Detox Solution Beauty Detox Foods Beauty Detox Power Radical Beauty Recipes For Your Perfectly Imperfect Life You Are More Than You Think You Are OTHER PODCASTS YOU MAY ENJOY! Wellness Insights: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance How the Power Foods Diet helps with Weight Loss with Dr. Neal Barnard EP. 877 How Not to Age with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Michael Greger How to eat to reduce anxiety with Harvard nutritional psychiatrist Dr. Uma Naidoo   Powered and Distributed by: PodcastOne Transcript: Kimberly Snyder (00:00.824)Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am beyond thrilled for our very special guest here with us today from across the world in Qatar. His name is Ghanem Al-Sulati and he’s a Qatari entrepreneur. He’s passionate about creating a positive impact on society by promoting a plant-based lifestyle. He has created Evergreen Organics, which since 2016 has Qatar’s first and only completely plant-based cafe. He’s working on 10 different projects all across the Middle East to support healthy living and sustainability. I started finding Ghanim when someone sent me a YouTube video and he was talking about all these incredible festivals and things he was creating in the Middle East. At the very beginning, he mentioned that he had read the Beauty Detox Solution, now over 10 years old, and it had an impact on his philosophy. And I was just feeling so honored. And it’s so amazing that we’re here today. So Ghanam, thank you so much and welcome to our show. Ghanim (01:03.417)Thank so much, Kimberly. mean, this is such an honor as well from my side. I’m absolutely happy that finally I get to meet you as well virtually, but also to be able to share kind of my journey that have not only impacted me personally, but also impacted everybody in Doha because I’ve realized that I’ve taken something from your book, but then managed to create something out of it that is, you know, Kimberly Snyder (01:12.846)Thank Ghanim (01:30.947)creating a wider impact. And I think I’m just so grateful. So thank you so much for, you know, for hosting me here today. And I’m excited to share my story as well with you. And, and let me take you back actually 10, 10 years ago, actually a little bit more 12 years ago, I lived in the States, actually, I lived in Philly. I went to school there. I’m an engineer by profession. And I was actually sitting one morning, watching Good Morning America. Kimberly Snyder (01:51.063)Okay. Ghanim (01:58.745)in 2013 to be specific. I think it was either January or February of that year. And you came in on the show promoting the beauty detox, the green book. And I remember you were talking about how food changed the way you feel and how it actually inspired you to not only kind of Kimberly Snyder (02:05.304)Wow. Ghanim (02:26.083)to learn more about how food can change the way you feel, but also the way you look. And something about what you said kind of made me so interested that I actually got up my couch, went to Barnes and Noble, which was a few blocks away, picked up your book, opened the first couple of pages. And I remember the first few pages, you were talking a little bit about the concept of veganism, but not necessarily like actually like pinning it down and something about like not consuming dairy. And for me, it was a Kimberly Snyder (02:30.413)Yes. Ghanim (02:56.291)someone who never had any kind of, let’s say idea of what you were talking about, I was completely shocked and overwhelmed. So I literally closed the book, put it back on the shelf and I was like, that’s not for me. I don’t think I, I just, I felt there’s something for me, but at that moment when I read it, I remember like just putting it back. The next couple of weeks after that, I started seeing so many signs when I was opening the TV, I was watching kind of let’s say the doctors or Kimberly Snyder (03:00.757)Right. Kimberly Snyder (03:20.813)Wow. Ghanim (03:25.293)couple of these shows where they were talking about plan-based options. I was walking on the streets and there’s big billboards of like this alternative milks. And suddenly I’ve been seeing all of these things that are giving me signs saying like, my God, you need to go back and get the book. I said, you know what, let me just get the book. There’s nothing gonna happen. There’s no harm to read that book. So I took the book, came back home. I was living with my friend at that time. And I decided to read the book in very, like maybe, I would say loudly in the living room with my friend. And I think I was a bit in a sarcastic mood, kind of like every time I read something, I was pretty much either kind of laughing about it or just saying, that’s never going to happen for me. And I don’t know, something changed when I reached, I think part of the book where you’re talking about experimenting and trying to incorporate more greens and more raw food and I remember telling my friend at that time, said, there’s nothing wrong with trying. Let’s just get this recipe, the glowing green smoothie. Let’s just go to the supermarket and get the ingredients and let’s do it. And I still have the first green smoothie that I drank. It’s actually on my Instagram archive, like as a picture there. And to be very honest, it wasn’t delicious. And it was a shock for me because like, I’m not used to eating like, you know, all these fibers and kind of the Kimberly Snyder (04:41.708)Wow. Kimberly Snyder (04:51.139)Yeah. Ghanim (04:52.057)for me that time, the bitterness. And it started with a smoothie and then that smoothie became another smoothie and then another smoothie. And then suddenly I started kind of saying, hey, how about incorporating less meat? And then I started taking off meat. And then I said, okay, you know what? I’ve been not eating meat for three months. Let’s take off chicken. And then suddenly fish. And I remember you helped me in the book because in the book you were saying you were kind of trying to show us how to do that transition without actually telling me to transition because you didn’t want people to actually go vegan. You wanted them to feel better. And I think that’s the philosophy that sticks with me is I was thinking every day, am I feeling better? And if I was feeling better, I wanted to continue doing that. And that’s what kept me going. And then a year later after reading the book, that’s when I woke up one day and I said, apparently I am vegan. I didn’t have any animal product. I didn’t eat anything. I never said I want to go vegan. Kimberly Snyder (05:32.77)Hmm Ghanim (05:51.459)But I feel great. How about I go for a one year vegan challenge where I actually do it like intentionally and with proper blenders and all of the product that I need. And I never went back since then. And it’s been 11 years since I’ve been vegan. And I always say this to every person that I meet. Yes, veganism was a personal choice, but I still do it today because it feels Kimberly Snyder (06:07.16)Wow. Ghanim (06:20.663)great and amazing. And the moment I don’t feel great, maybe I might explore something else. But of course, nowadays, I’m vegan for the animals, I’m vegan for the planet. So there’s a lot of other reasons as well to keep me on this lifestyle. But yeah, your book, you know, that was the initial kind of stuff. But then you came up with the next book, and I went on and kind of as well, dug deeper into the research aspect of food and how Kimberly Snyder (06:33.997)Yes. Ghanim (06:50.339)combination of food. I think you were talking about, you know, pairing certain foods and you know, got it took me a while to actually believe in it because you know, I love bread, even as a vegan, I love bread, I love gluten. And, and just recently I realized that I actually, whatever you were talking about 10 years ago is really makes a big difference if you follow it and they, and that I, sequence. so this is pretty much what happened. So I just want to kind of give. Kimberly Snyder (06:52.417)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (07:02.006)Yes. Ghanim (07:20.055)you know, a little bit of a, want, I want to, I want to say thank you actually properly to you because you, you, you, you, don’t think you will understand how much impact that had on not only me, but also my family, my friends who actually went to try vegan after my transition, how many people I’ve recommended the book to them and actually change their lives. So yeah, it did, it did change my life completely because I started a Kimberly Snyder (07:44.854)Wow. Ghanim (07:49.667)whole new business. became an entrepreneur and look what I’m doing now. And I think I am very proudly saying that it’s because of you. So thank you so much. Kimberly Snyder (07:51.182)Look at what you’re doing now. Kimberly Snyder (08:00.994)my gosh. I’m just so grateful and in awe, goosebumps all over the place. It’s one of the best stories I’ve ever heard. I really believe we’re all connected in humanity. We’re brothers and sisters and it just seemed like your heart, you were right there, you were ready. And of course there’s a little bit of resistance because it can feel like, this is really different. And it feels a little bit scary when you’re doing, it’s counterintuitive to how you. raised or how you would eat before. But the fact that you kept going back and you kept going back means you were, you know, you’re something in your soul is just so ready to go in that direction. And, know, it really resonates with me when you said it’s just about feeling better, because I think sometimes get people get so caught up in labels, and then separation like, I’m this I’m a vegan, I’m an omnivore, all these different things. But really, what we’re talking about is choosing vitality and choosing nutrient rich foods and choosing fiber. And sometimes for people, it’s not all or nothing, but like you said, you kept going down this path. And the way I started becoming plant-based from the very beginning was when I was traveling actually. And so I love that there’s this through line. We were talking before the podcast, how connection transcends space. Here we are talking across the world, across different cultures, different religions. mean, it’s all this. know, oneness, these truths, it’s how we digest food. There’s a compassion aspect to eating plant-based, there’s an environmental aspect. And when I was in India, it just felt like, wow, I was reading about meditation and just these ideas of how light you can feel in your body. So for me, in my background, which I’ve talked about in my books, I had so much anxiety and insomnia and things you might not directly relate to food. But when I started lightening up, diet and freeing up my digestion, it really did feel much better. And then as I shared, I cleared up my acne, all these things on my skin. And I was like, wow, all this stuff works together. It’s pretty profound. Ghanim (10:00.867)Yeah, you know, to add to that, think after kind of going through the first few months of following, let’s say, all the recipes and following all the knowledge that you were sharing at that time. I remember waking up every day feeling a little bit, am I doing this? Am I a crazy person? People around me were saying, Ghanem, okay, great, you’ve done this step, but it’s not going to take, you know, it’s not going to, it’s not going to be forever, you’re doing it for a while, I’m sure you’re gonna bounce back soon. Everybody was doubting me and also I had a lot of questions, especially when it comes to our cultures, our tradition, everybody was saying, hey, as humans we evolved eating animals, so how can I answer those questions? I was not ready, so I actually started traveling. So I actually traveled to 33 countries in the next kind of two years after reading your book and it opened my mind so much. Kimberly Snyder (10:37.473)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (10:52.493)Wow. Ghanim (10:58.553)to not only food, but also the people that are making the food, to actually understanding how food is being made. I started kind of going to cooking schools, learning how to use herbs and medicinal botanical kind of plants. And I wanted to understand then how is our food being grown and went to the farms. And I’ve been to Nepal, I’ve been to Beijing, I’ve been to Singapore. Kimberly Snyder (11:04.779)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (11:10.914)Mmmmm Wow. Ghanim (11:27.417)Jordan, of course, Egypt, you name it, like all these countries trying to really understand what happened in the last 50 years where we have disconnected completely from nature and especially from our food systems. And I remember every time I used to come back to Qatar, I was thinking, my God, there’s something missing because I’ve I’ve been exposed to all of this information and knowledge and I felt so heavy keeping the knowledge to just myself. Kimberly Snyder (11:40.6)Why? Kimberly Snyder (11:57.452)Right. Ghanim (11:57.485)And I’ve realized that I… needed to share it with as many people as possible because I’ve learned this from you as well because you were traveling and coming back and sharing that knowledge through your books and through your podcasts. And I was like, I need to do the same. And that’s what I started doing. I started coming back and going to schools and getting invited to do normal public speaking events when I actually wasn’t famous at that time. I wasn’t well known. People just loved me sharing my stuff through Instagram and they loved my smoothies that I was creating and simple recipes. And it got people so interested that I started being asked to come to schools and talk to kids. And I was 23 at that time and remember kind of talking to a couple of the kids in school. And one question I remember raising a carrot and I said, do you guys know where this come from? And one of the young kid raised his hand and said, this comes from the fridge. And I said, Kimberly Snyder (12:30.541)Okay. Ghanim (12:58.271)my God, there’s something missing like in our education system where kids think that things comes from a, you know, a fridge and not coming from a, so that’s when I realized that education is very important and I wanted to create a space that can not only raise awareness about this kind of epidemic of nutrition that we have, but also connect people back to our, to the source. And I felt great eating vegetables. And I think a lot of people will feel great eating vegetables and eating more greens and raw food. And that’s what I did for those years. And that’s how I started my businesses afterwards, because I realized I needed to… People were saying, Ghanim, okay, whatever you say is great. How can we do it? How can we do it? I want to do it. I want to be part of it, but I just don’t have access. I don’t have the recipes. And I was like, I need to create a space that can… Kimberly Snyder (13:46.368)Yeah. Ghanim (13:54.349)resemble everything that I’ve learned from my travel and maybe set an example so that people can feel a little bit more comfortable to make the switch. since then, we have been pioneering not only the vegan movement in Qatar, but also changing that mindset and making it more normalized, I would say. Veganism is so normalized nowadays in Qatar and it actually became so… Kimberly Snyder (14:17.07)Mmm. Ghanim (14:23.353)at some point that people felt so cool being vegan, which is completely the opposite anywhere else in the world. Kimberly Snyder (14:30.414)Yeah, you got it. I love you know what I can feel even when you’re telling your story, this heart bursting with authenticity and just so much love and so much passion and so much wanting to help that your journey just kept going and you didn’t plan it. It was just like, I’m going to travel similarly to me and then I’m going to do this. I’m going to do this. And people follow that passion. I mean, you’re just dripping with it. So you don’t really have to try. You don’t have to convince. It’s just this. radiating out of you. Well, in the story, when you started to change over, what did your parents say and people around you? Because at the time, even here, was still, and it did rise up, right? The vegan movement. And now there’s like, there’s pushback from people who feel threatened by it, of course, there’s always opposing ideas and forces. But when you first started, you know, were people saying, you’re not eating, you’re not getting as a protein, like some of the things that we always hear, what were some of the things that you heard? Ghanim (15:17.785)Of course. Yeah. Ghanim (15:29.955)See, I’ve done it very gradually. So when I decided to do it, I actually didn’t do it like cold turkey. So for me, it took me a whole year to actually make the transition. And I wasn’t pressured at all because my goal was not to be vegan. My goal is to feel better. So for me, it didn’t feel like I was transitioning. And then people around me kind of went with me through that transition because I became obsessed at some point on not eating anything Kimberly Snyder (15:37.965)Yeah. Ghanim (15:59.661)but only having goat cheese in my food because that’s kind of for me to transition from eating all the kind of cheeses to just eating one kind of cheese. And I think you did mention it at some point, like that you need to narrow down the choices. I think that’s helped me a lot to simplify kind of the options. And I did that for every category until I reached a place where I not eating anything. So people around me, I think kind of in the beginning, they were a bit, again, as I said, Kimberly Snyder (16:14.294)Yeah, and simplify. Ghanim (16:30.041)thinking that I will just do it for a few months and a few weeks and then suddenly I’m going to go back. So everybody was just on him. It’s okay. It’s just a phase. So don’t, don’t exaggerate. Don’t over, don’t overthink it. And, and, and then I, I, I, I, I saw people around me started kind of wanting to be part of what I was doing. And especially my mom and my dad, they started saying, can you do the smoothie for us? We wanted that. We want to have the green smoothie with you. And then that’s what they started doing. So I started doing the smoothie for them. So they used to have this amazing Kimberly Snyder (16:52.098)Wow. Ghanim (17:01.069)breakfast in the morning that gave them so much energy. They started feeling better. They started having better bowel movements and having more energy. My mom till today, she only have a green smoothie in the morning. And for me, she’s not vegan, but she took some kind of tips to enhance her diet. And I think one of the tips that she as well taught me that I can eat at that time, let’s say, Kimberly Snyder (17:13.591)Wow. Kimberly Snyder (17:23.01)Yes. Ghanim (17:30.359)whatever I want to eat, have the raw green salad at beginning. And that’s a habit that I still do it till today. I just eat lots of greens and then I eat whatever I want. If it’s something that I’m not comfortable eating or of course for me now it’s vegan, but if it’s like a little bit junky vegan or if it’s a bit too over oily, which I don’t usually eat, but I have to kind of have this beginning. That’s in my house. But then of course, publicly, Kimberly Snyder (17:34.114)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (17:48.206)Wait. Ghanim (17:59.513)You know, people were questioning my decisions and they were coming to me saying, you’re going against religion, you’re going against the culture, you’re going against what your ancestors have done for the last hundred years. And for me, it was. People felt intimidated by me every time I was choosing to eat vegan, even though I’m not making it the subject of the event. And I realized that I needed to be stronger in my Kimberly Snyder (18:12.649)It can feel threatening to people. Kimberly Snyder (18:24.234)Sure. Ghanim (18:30.391)defense, because I was a bit hesitant to get into the conversation. so I did a lot of research into my culture, understanding how my people have eaten in the past hundred years. and I’ve found out some amazing facts that, you know, 50 years ago, Qatar was so poor and, and didn’t have enough resources that actually people didn’t have the luxury to eat animal products. They were eating lots of starchy vegetables, lots of rice and beans, lentils to be specific. when they want to eat meat, it was a celebration and it was once or twice a year. So it had a different cultural meanings behind it when they have consumed animal products. And I realized that I needed to kind of go back and talk to people and Kimberly Snyder (18:59.085)Right. Kimberly Snyder (19:04.055)Yes. Kimberly Snyder (19:16.099)What else? Ghanim (19:29.111)that have lived during those times. And I found amazing facts that our region is, lots of people have eaten plant-based in the 40s and 30s because they had their own farms. That was actually the most sustainable way. They didn’t have access to food. The oil industry didn’t boom yet. So actually only after the oil industry had boomed in the 60s and 70s, that’s when people got access to animal products. Kimberly Snyder (19:30.798)Amazing. Kimberly Snyder (19:43.99)Yes. Ghanim (19:58.081)And the funny part is that I do a lot of work as well in Cambodia to help children eat healthy vegan food. And I remember kind of going to Cambodia in 2017, promoting eating fruits and vegetables and no one wants to eat it. And everybody was so angry with me because they say, this is not good food. This is poor people food. And then that same food in Qatar, I go to schools and I show people the vegetables and I said, this is Kimberly Snyder (20:20.941)Yeah. Ghanim (20:26.241)rich people food because no one eats organic except the rich people. And I’m like, wow, look at how cultures are so different. It’s like, have people here who don’t appreciate fruits and vegetables. And we have people here who appreciate fruits and vegetables, they don’t think they can access to it. and then I had to change that mindset. And I think that mindset is about, you know, actually plant-based food is the most affordable option out there. It’s, it’s the simplest food to be, to, to, to be stored, to be, to create, to, cook. Yeah. So. Kimberly Snyder (21:03.904)Yes. Well, this is an amazing story. It’s sort of like the Blue Zones too, Ghanim. You know, when you, they’re not trying to be vegan, but that’s what was available. If you lo