How Changing Your Beliefs Can Change Your Reality with Gregg Braden [Episode #793]
This week’s topic is: How Changing Your Beliefs Can Change Your Reality with Gregg Braden
I am so excited to have my very special guest, Gregg Braden, who is a five-time New York Times best-selling author, scientist, international educator and renowned as a pioneer in the emerging paradigm based in science, social policy and human potential. Listen in as Gregg shares his unique perspective and what inspired him, our stories and how it’s the foundation for everything in our lives, unresolved trauma and its effects, and so much more!
Gregg shares his unique perspective and how it came to be and what inspired him…
Magnetic fields of our planet are declining and what that means for us…
Belief and what are belief waves…
Our stories and how it’s the foundation for everything in our lives…
How science is one of the ways to find a deeper truth…
When trauma is unresolved…
How to transcend and thrive…
Shifting your perspective around the control of numbers…
About Gregg Braden
From 1979 to 1991 Gregg worked as a problem solver during times of crisis for Fortune 500 companies, including Cisco Systems, where he became the first Technical Operations Manager in 1991. He continues problem-solving today as his work reveals deep insights into the new human story, and how the discoveries inform the policies of everyday life and the emerging world. To date his research has led to 15 film credits and 12 award-winning books now published in over 40 languages.
Gregg is the proud recipient of numerous awards including The Walden Award for New Thought, The Illuminate Award for Conscious Visionaries and he is listed in the United Kingdom’s Watkins Journal among the top 100 of “the world’s most spiritually influential living people” for the 7th consecutive year. He is a nominee for the prestigious Templeton Award, established to honor “outstanding living individuals who have devoted their talents to expanding our vision of human purpose and ultimate reality.”
Gregg is actively involved in visionary organizations and think tanks including the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), The Evolutionary Leadership Organization, The Laszlo Institute of New Paradigm Research and The Arlington Institute. He has presented his discoveries in over 30 countries on six continents and has been invited to speak to The United Nations, Fortune 500 companies and the U. S. military.
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Hi, loves and welcome back to our Monday interview show where I am so thrilled to share an incredible conversation that I had with Greg Braden with you today. So Greg, if you are not familiar with his enormous body of work, his very influential and varied body of work is he is a scientist, he is a think tank member, he is a international educator. He is a five time New York Times bestselling author. He writes about consciousness and science and human potential, and I very much enjoyed the breadth of various topics that we shared about on our show today. So I’m very excited to share this conversation with you.
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Interview with Gregg Braden
Kimberly: 00:06:51 Greg, this is, you know, this is a real, um, just embodiment of manifesting a reality that I’ve been thinking about for a long time. As I mentioned to you, I’ve been wanting you on the show. I’ve been a huge fan of your books for many years, I wanna say over a decade. I have them here in my, um, very curated, um, office shelves. A lot of the books go upstairs. And then we ran into each other at the Hay House conference, and I really took that moment. I went right up to you and I said, Greg, will you come on the show? So it, thank you so much for being here with us today.
Gregg: 00:07:24 Well, Kimberly, I’m going to say, first of all, uh, hello, good morning to you and to our community every, everyone watching. And it was an honor to meet you at the Hey House event, you and your husband both. And, uh, uh, I’m excited about the program. I’ve, I follow your work, but you and I had never met, and I’m not sure why we’d never met, and I’m not sure why. We’ve never done, uh, a broadcast before, and this is our first time completely unscripted. I have no idea where we’re going, and I’m looking forward to it. So thank, thank you for trusting me with your community. That means a lot to me, and I appreciate that.
Gregg shares his unique perspective and how it came to be and what inspired him
Kimberly: 00:07:57 Oh, well, I think you have so much wisdom to share, Greg. And so I’m gonna dive right in here. What’s really interesting about your work is there’s this groundedness. You’ve worked on social policies, you’ve worked on operational systems, you’ve worked with the military, you’re a geologist. And so there’s this density literally to rocks and some of, you know, dealing with this day-to-day. And then you’re bridging it with the spiritual, with the formless. So that’s a very unique perspective. And tell us a little bit how it came to be. Were you, did you come from this, you know, more practical place and then it, you know, it sort of took off, it expanded, or was it always there?
Gregg: 00:08:35 You know, that’s, that’s a big question. And, uh, I, I was doing, uh, a, um, a morning talk show with a commuter radio program on the East coast in, in New York City. And the interviewer came on, and the first thing he asked me was, with regard to what you’re, you’re saying right now, he wasn’t as kind as you are right now. What he said, he goes, Greg Braden, I mean, he didn’t say, good morning, welcome to the show, anything like that. He says, Greg Braden, you’re all over the place. He said, you’ve got books on science, on spirituality, on genetics, ancient history, archeology. He says, why can’t you stick with one topic, you know, like ev like everybody else? Uh, and I, I was surprised. I was taken aback by the question, and then I thought about it in my answer. Uh, he was an answer he was not expecting.
00:09:23 I said, well, I said, this is the 42nd year that I’ve done this work in one form or another, which is a mindblower to me. I don’t know where 42 years just went. But I said, I said, yes, the, my books cover a lot of ground, and if you look closely, every book that I’ve written explores one facet of us mm-hmm. And our relationship to our bodies, our relationship to one another, our relationship to the cosmos, to God, to the earth, and to the past. So I said, in a very real sense, I’ve stayed with one topic. It’s just a big topic. Yes. And he said, okay. He said, well, let’s go the break. And he never came back. So <laugh>, wow. It wa it wasn’t the answer he was expecting. But, um, so we do cover a lot of ground. And I have to say, Kimberly, I was, um, I’ll, I’ll just begin with little background.
00:10:11 I am the product of a, of a very dysfunctional, uh, abusive alcoholic family. My, my father was the abuser. Uh, I have one younger brother, and my mom and my brother, and, and my mom and I took the, the brunt of, of that abuse. And when you’re young, uh, and you don’t have the tools to deal with that, I, I’ll speak for myself. I would seek refuge in places that nurtured me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, uh, nature was one of those. Uh, I spent a lot of time in nature as a kid. I wouldn’t say I was running away. I was simply moving toward that which would, would heal my soul. Uh, science always made a lot of sense to me. And as a very young child, I was envelope by the sciences. And, uh, and music, uh, was a refuge for me as well. And they’ve all played a role in, in my life.
00:11:05 Um, my mother didn’t understand my passion for science, but she always supported it in a beautiful way. So when I was four and five years old, she was helping me memorize all the names of the dinosaurs and the planets, and the solar system, and the, the pharaohs of Egypt. And, and she learned through the process. Uh, and I knew early on that I, I wanted to, to share something meaningful with the world during whatever time I was privileged to live on this earth. Hmm. And I began exploring the best way to do that at an, at an early age. And, uh, can, may I share just two, two key, key experiences that I had early in my life, please. One of those, um, it was in 1968, I went to a concert in, I, I was born and raised in the Midwest, uh, Kansas City, Missouri, Northern Missouri, in a rural area.
00:11:59 And, uh, and I went to, it was a Jefferson Airplane conference, that was the name of the group at that time. It, it evolved into Jefferson, Starship, and then other things. It was Jefferson Airplane. And what I got from that, Kimberly, I, I saw these people on the stage moving the hearts and the souls and the minds of that time. It seemed like a big audience. It was 30,000 people mm-hmm. In this room. And, and something was changing within them. However, and this is really key, when we left that concert, people felt like something was missing, and they needed something outside of themselves Hmm. To have the feeling again. And at that time, it was eight track tapes or the albums, they needed to have the album to recreate the experience. Now, at the same time, there was another experience. Uh, there was a man named Billy Graham, who was an evangelist.
00:12:52 And hi, his message was, was one thing. But when I saw him in an outdoor stadium, 70,000 people, what happened was he moved people’s hearts and minds and souls. And when they left, they didn’t need something outside of themselves because his words changed the way that they felt about themselves and the way they saw themselves. And that shift stayed with them through the day and through the following days and months and years. And both of those inspired me. And I, I knew that through a deep understanding of our relationship to the world, either through music or through the spoken or written word, uh, that I felt that I could contribute to this beautiful world and, and the people that I love in a meaningful way. And so that was the, an early, uh, uh, template for wow, what, what I am doing now. And, and the science I learned very quickly.
Magnetic fields of our planet are declining and what that means for us
00:13:51 Uh, science can only serve us if we keep it honest. Yes. And in many respects, science has been hijacked by, obviously by politics, corporations, by religion, by social movements. And the data has been cherry picked, and traditional science was in these little boxes that never spoke to one another. Yeah. So, you know, you’d get really, so I, I’m, I’m a degree geologist, and one of my first experiences working in the corporations in the seventies, uh, I, my job was to look at the magnetic fields of the planet. And it’s a cool job, you know, right off the bat. And I recognized quickly that the magnetic fields of our planet were declining. And my question was, what does that mean to us? You know, we’re biological beings in this magnetic field. What does it mean? So I asked my geologist friends, and they all had their little geology blinders on, and they said, don’t ask me, you know, I’m a geologist, go ask a biologist.
00:14:48 So I asked my biology friends, they had their blinders that said, Hey, I know about cells. I don’t know anything about earth magnetic fields. And of course, this is changing now, but it’s a beautiful example of, of where that compartmentalization in the science is historically Yes. Has, has helped us to feel separate from ourselves, from one another, from the earth, from the cosmos, from the past. And where the, the language that has been used traditionally in the sci sciences has alienated people who were not accustomed to that language. There, there was an arrogance that I, I still see it to some degree, that scientific conferences, it’s like, if you don’t understand my words, you know, you don’t need the information. And that’s, that’s not what, it’s all, science is simple. It is so simple until we make it complex with, uh, symbols and with words. But the concepts are very, very simple. So my passion that developed at an early age, I, I, by the way, I tried the music thing. I’ve been in the, I’m still a musician, and I was in the lot of rock rock bands, country band.
Kimberly: 00:15:52 What instruments did you play?
Gregg: 00:15:53 I am, I am still a guitarist. And ah, the guitar was probably, it has been one of the most stable things in, in my entire life. It has la I started playing when I was eight. So the music has carried me through marriages, divorces, marriages, divorces, marriages, <laugh>, wait, you know, it’s Carrie, it, it’s carried me through corporate experiences. It’s through Tremend. I lost my mom to Covid, uh, in, in the late stages of Covid. And, uh, honestly, my man brain thought I was prepared for that, but my heart was not. And, uh, and I’m still, I’m still reeling from that. And the music, being able to, to channel that through music has been really, really powerful. So it’s something that stayed with me all my life. Six string, 12 string acoustic, electric, um, you know, nylon string. I mean, there’re, it’s just love that Amazing. Yeah. It’s an amazing instrument. So it’s a long answer to a short question, <laugh>, but I wanted, I wanted to lay that foundation.
Belief and what are belief waves
Kimberly: 00:16:56 Well, it, it’s quite obvious that you’re connected not just to your brain and your mind, but also to your heart. Because you mentioned science about keeping it honest. And I would also say humble, right? Because there’s parts in your book where you talk about, we don’t know everything, and a lot of scientists do shut down to that idea. We can’t measure this. And then there’s this, you know, this rigidity that comes. And I think I read Greg, um, in the National Institutes of Science, if I’m quoting this correctly, about 90% of scientists are atheists. Right? So they’re sort of shutting off this idea of, well, I can’t actually measure it with my tools, so it can’t be real. Hmm. That you just go so far in the other direction talking about this, you know, this one book I have here that I love so much, the spontaneous healing of belief, and this idea of going into the heart and the feeling, and then that actually influencing the, that actually helping to open up the mind. So, can you talk a little bit about belief and what you call belief waves? You know, you actually talk about it in quite a scientific context. You talk about programming, you go into a whole system. So can you just share a little bit about it? Obviously, there’s a whole book about it here, but just a little glimpse of it.
Gregg: 00:18:08 Well, sure. Kimberly, and thank you for your kind words, uh, about the book, the, um, and for having it on the desk in front of you. I didn’t know you were gonna do that. I don’t even have that book here. So <laugh>.
00:18:20 So I, I was honored, uh, in the 1990s to tour with some amazing, uh, scientists, engineers, world renowned spiritual leaders. Uh, I toured with Ed Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon. And, uh, Amio Kaku. And some people may know him and some may not. He’s a Japanese physicist. He is very popular as a spokesperson on mainstream news networks. He’s, he’s like the go-to expert on, you know, C n N or M S N B C to understand, you know, if they say the core of the earth has stopped rotating, what does that mean? Amechi Kaco, he’s got long white hair, beautifully spoken man. Um, and one of the first things I heard him say when we were on tour together in front of a live audience, he said, you know, scientists may claim to be atheists, and they may claim to be left brain.
00:19:15 But the truth is that a scientist, 99% of the time, they will use their right brain and their heart to access an intuitive hit on wow. On some relationship in the world, some effect that’s going on. It begins with intuition. Then they will use the scientific method to try to, to bear it out or, or the, you know, learn that it’s, it’s not true. But the intuition actually plays a deep role. And then the question is, where does the intuition come from? Right? And that opens the door for a lot of scientists. Also, there are scientific projects that scientists have embarked upon where scientists have actually left their professions and pursued more spiritual, uh, and more intuitive sciences. Uh, uh, one of those is the mystery of the shroud of Turin. For example, the, the cloth that many believe may be the, the burial cloth of, uh, Jesus of Nazareth from a non-religious perspective, just the, the, the historical artifact.
00:20:21 And there were, uh, so 1978, for example, there were, uh, scientists from Los Alamos, national Labs from University of Colorado at Boulder cu, uh, from a number of medical centers that were given unprecedented access to this shroud to study it. And when they began looking at the blood and looking at the DNA n and the anomalies, their lives were changed. And many of them left the, their professions Wow. And said something. And here’s the reason. They said something happened here that cannot be explained through the science that we are given to work with today. We’re missing something, and we need to know what that is. And so they began exploring non-traditional wow, uh, relationships between emotion and the human body, and the, the ability of the human body to influence biology, to influence ourselves, our immune system, our ability to heal and repair a, a genetic level as well as on the surface of the skin.
Our stories and how it’s the foundation for everything in our lives
00:21:25 And that’s how it works. The science, trying to understand the phenomenon that cannot be explained. Uh, it’s not because it cannot be explained, it’s because we are looking at it in the wrong way. So it pushes them, it pushes them to open their hearts and their minds to some relationships that science cannot account for right now. That book, wow, the spontaneous healing of belief was born of that phenomenon. That the, the role of the way that we think of ourselves, our story, we all have a story. And our, our story, uh, it comes from a number of places. It comes from, my story came from my family, the way I was taught to think about myself, uh, from my community, from my neighbors, from my friends. Uh, it came from my, the classroom, what I was taught out of textbooks, it came from religion. And we all have this story.
00:22:26 And the, the story is the foundation, Kimberly, for everything in our lives. And this is, I know we have a largely female audience here. And this is important because the, the feminine story that is often denied culturally, when we embrace it on a deeply personal level, it opens the door to deep levels of possibility, as well as deep levels of power and deep levels of responsibility that comes with that power. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> in the world, which is one of the reasons it was denied in, uh, you know, for, for thousands of years that feminine power was denied by the patriarchy. Yes. So our, our story, but if, if you think about, I mean, our story, every relationship we will ever have in our lives is based upon the way we’ve been taught to think about ourselves. Programming. Yes. Yes. The programming. Every friend we invite into our lives, I mean, we’re all adults here.
00:23:20 Every, every person we ever invite into our bed. Yes. And that, that gets really, really deep, really fast. It’s based upon the story, the way we’ve been taught to think about our value, our worth, our power, our, uh, our, our dreams, our aspirations. The way we heal our bodies is based upon the way we’ve been taught to think. If, if you go for an annual physical and your healthcare provider says something isn’t right, how you respond to that statement is determined by the way you’ve been taught to think, your family, your friends, yes. Your community, all, all of that. The way we solve every problem every day in their life. So all of a sudden, you know, it used to be our story was this philosophical conversation that you talk about, you know, for a latte at Starbucks. And, and we see now it’s front and center to every, every single, our political choices, the way we choose our food in the supermarket, the way we raise our children, whether or not we have children.
How science is one of the ways to find a deeper truth
00:24:19 It’s all based upon our story. Our story has been skewed in the modern and the western world. And science is one of the ways that I found to, to find a deeper truth that, uh, that more accurately reflects our relationship to our own bodies, to one another, to God, to the earth, or whatever you think the, a higher power, if you believe there is a higher power. Yes. Our relationship to the past is not what we have been told. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we’ve been told that civilization began, uh, about 5,500 years ago in ancient Sumeria. And in Mesopotamia. Now, archeological sites in Peru, for example, are finding advanced civilizations that ended when we’re told civilization began. And now in places in Turkey, like Go Beckley, Tepe, they’re, they’re looking at ice age civilizations more than twice as old as, as what we’ve been told. Interesting. And all of this feeds into our story.
00:25:22 So, so the story and our belief of what that story is, is what that book is all about. Yes. Wow. And, and weird question. Yeah. Well, no. So, well, this, I’m gonna, I’m, let me take this. If I could let me Yes. Follow up full circle in case we don’t, so this isn’t incomplete. Why is the story important? What is the link between what we believe in our bodies? This is where it gets really, really interesting. I, I had the honor and the privilege before she passed from this world of knowing and touring with an amazing Harvard trained medical doctor. Her name was Dr. Candace Pert, p e r t. And I know many of your viewers probably know who she is. She wrote an amazing landmark book that was called, uh, molecules of Emotion. Now this is a Harvard trained MD making the link between the non-physical, invisible force of emotion and the, the physical cells and the d n a in our body.
00:26:22 And what she identified was that for every emotion that we’ve ever had in our lives, from day one, even before day one, day zero, when we’re still in the womb, our, uh, our in, in the, the, the third trimester, our bodies are processing our perceptions from what’s happening in the world outside of our body. So, so the way we do that, every emotion produces a chemical equivalent in the body. It’s called a neuro peptide. And those chemical equivalents, what they, they, they want to metabolize, they want to pass through the body. And for joyous experiences, they typically do. And this is so interesting. We rarely hear people getting stuck in joy. You know, you don’t hear people go to a therapist and say, say, man, I, you know, I’ve got so much joy in my life. Can you help me reel it in a little bit?
When trauma is unresolved
00:27:16 That that doesn’t happen? So the joy is not the problem. The trauma that is unresolved those chemicals, because the trauma is unresolved, those chemicals will park in the organs and the tissues associated with the trauma. There’s a whole conversation we can have there. And they will stay there for a few minutes, a few hours, a few days. They’ll stay there 60 years, they’ll stay there 80 years until we have the tools, uh, to process what that trauma meant to us. And if we do not, then those neuro peptides will nudge us a little bit and let us know they’re there through what we call inflammation. Right. That can, that can, uh, if we don’t respond to the inflammation, then the nudge gets a little stronger and we begin to have medical issues to an, an MD that doesn’t know that they think something’s broken in the body.
00:28:14 Right. There’s physical. Exactly. But for, for a holistic practitioner or anyone who has, uh, is aware of, of the work that Candace Pert did, and this, this overlaps the boundaries from, uh, physical biology into, you know, different kinds of therapy and things like that, uh, when we begin to release those neuro peptides, that’s where the true healing begins. So that’s what that book the, uh, about belief, that’s why I wrote that book the way I did. Yes. And a lot of it reflected my journey. Uh, I’m still processing, uh, you know, from, I, I will be the last day, uh, sure. True. You know, that I, my, my last breath on earth. But I, I’ve had to learn these things for myself. And, and here’s the whole key why I, I wrote this book. We’re only defined by the trauma of our past. If we choose to be defined by the trauma of our past, we all have trauma. Sure. And if we, if we allow that trauma to be the excuse for the hurt that we continue to bring into our lives in the present day, through the relationships and the jobs and the careers that we feel we’re worthy of, uh, that’s a path. And I’m not saying it’s right, wrong, good or bad. It is a choice. And that choice also can free us so that we’re not defined by our past if the past has been a difficult past.
Kimberly: 00:48:54 I wanna go back to the beliefs for a minute, Greg, which, you know, ties into a little bit of what we were saying here with the texts. You as a scientist, the spirituality part, because there’s a lot of people out there. So there’s this first stage, right, where we think we’re powerless, as you mentioned, there’s trauma, we feel isolated, the mind bounces us back and forth. We’re not yet connected to the heart. So there’s this first stage where there’s all the motivational, right? The, you know, the rah rah. Like, we get attracted to this idea of I can do anything. I can do affirmations, I can create my realities. Um, so in your books, you talk about this idea, we’re all sort of in our own world of real, this is a two part question, Greg.
00:49:40 We’re in this sort of world of our own reality and our, what we’re accepting and our belief is creating a reality. So my question to you as a scientist, and also, you know, a spiritualist, how do all these different realities, like to our mind, we think, how do they all exist? And then the second part of the question is, I think when we start to realize we have this power to manifest and to create, co-create, at first it’s like I can manifest anything I want. Right? That’s how, that’s where I first got to this stage. Oh, I can be a published author, oh, I can blah, blah, blah, I can be on the New York Times list, all these things. But then you get to this stage, Greg, and I know you feel it too, where it’s like, oh, we’re all in it. We’re part of this collective field.
00:50:19 We’re all equal. So there’s our way, the ego’s way, but then there’s the way, right? Like the Dao says there’s, there’s this greater way. So for instance, my mom passed two for cancer. And so the first I was affirming, she’s gonna heal, she’s gonna be okay. But then it became ob obvious to me at a certain stage, this isn’t the way. Like she, she’s actually meant to pass. And even if I’m trying to manifest this reality, there’s this higher intelligence that isn’t just what we want. Right? So my first part is there’s all these different realities. And the second part is this, you know, kind of melding of our power, what we wanna create, co-create with this greater field. And we talk about intuition, like how do we just know, you know, we can say, I want my bus, this one business to be the biggest success. I wanna be the biggest entrepreneur, but maybe spirit has this plan for us to do something else. And so that actually doesn’t work. And do you know what I’m saying? There’s these stages of manifesting I see out there where some people are saying, oh, do anything. But then there’s another stage where it’s saying, well, but it fits into this larger energy matrix.
Gregg: 00:51:27 Yeah.
Kimberly: 00:51:28 Is that confusing? How wording it <laugh>?
Gregg: 00:51:30 Well, you, you just asked, you know, a bunch of que a bunch of questions in that, in that question. So lemme, I’m just gonna back up. Uh, some of your, some of our community knows that, um, when the conditions of the world have allowed in the past, I’ve spent a lot of time leading, uh, groups, uh, into ancient and indigenous sites throughout the world. Some of the most remote and isolated and pristine and magnificent and beautiful places remaining on the world. And, and among those was Tibet. I was taking groups into Tibet before they closed it, uh, to, to tourism. Uh, the way that it’s closed right now from, uh, it was almost 15, 12 to 15 years, it was when I was doing this. And, and you know, when you do, and they were 23 day trips to acclimate up to almost 18,000 feet above sea level. Wow. So they were, they were, they were big trips, <laugh>. And when you spent, and we would do 12 Aries, uh, no, 12 monasteries and two Aries over those, those 23 to 26
Kimberly: 00:52:32 Days. Oh, I wanna do one of those trips, Greg. Well,
Gregg: 00:52:34 They’re, they’re not, they won’t allow it anymore. And two
Kimberly: 00:52:37 Of your other trips,
Gregg: 00:52:39 <laugh>. Well, so, so here, here’s the reason I’m saying it. When, when you spend that kind of time with the indigenous people, you don’t just walk in and kick the tires and say, you know, Hey, cool temple, and you know, let’s go eat some tofu <laugh>. You really get to know, you get to know them. And my Tibetan is terrible. And a lot of them knew fragmented English, but we had translators. And, and Kimberly, if I understand the essence of your question, uh, at least one of your questions, it was a question that I asked, uh, a number of the monks and the abbots, uh, in, you know, when I was in Tibet about our relationship to our physical world and manifestation and things like that. And yes, what they said to me when they said it, I, I registered it. And the more I thought about it, and in the years have passed since that time, I think it’s, it’s become more and more true is yes, we are, first of all, we all manifest every day.
00:53:35 So it’s not something you have to learn to do. You’re doing it whatever life you have. Yeah. Right? Anyone has, right now we have manifested that the key is did we do it consciously or was it through subconscious patterns that we may not be aware of and programming from early childhood. So when we choose to change what we’ve already manifested, then the question becomes, what is our intent? What, why, what is my intent? What was your intent in wanting your mom to heal or my, I did the same thing with my mom. What was my intent? Did I want her to heal because I felt like she was gonna have a good life? Or did I want her to heal because I selfishly didn’t want her, I didn’t want to live in a world where my mom didn’t, didn’t exist. I didn’t want that. And you have to come to terms of that.
00:54:23 But what the monks and the abbots and the nuns told me, and this is so interesting, is that when we actually achieve when we mature in our consciousness to the point where we can achieve the ability to manifest. The irony is that we feel less need to change anything and less need to manifest. We’re just, it’s willing. It’s when it’s when we feel that we don’t have that power. Hmm. And when we feel that we’re victims in the world, that we’re trying to change the world Once we Yes. Once we actually accept, and, and this is true of men. I know men are watching this as well. Uh, and there’s a whole conversation we could have about male power and, and what that means. But for both men and women, once we embrace, once we accept and embrace the deep truth of our power in the world, and, and for many people, it’s, it’s frightening.
00:55:16 Uh, there’s something so primal within us. I think that fears our power for reasons that could be a whole podcast unto itself. That’s a, a whole different conversation. But I think most of us from early on have always sensed that we have a power. If we ever accepted fully the power within us, it’s a frightening power. Hmm. And, and once we actually embrace the fact that we have that power, and we have the ability to change things in our own personal reality, once we get that, we can, we feel less of a need to actually do it, because we are also in acceptance of, of the, the unfolding, uh, of the mystery and the lessons that we learn from that, and how we become better people. Wow. So it’s pe people that are desiring more power and are afraid of the reality that they’ve created that feel is powerless victims.
00:56:14 That’s where you say, Hey, man, I can change this. I can do anything. But the more you be, you come to accept. And, and I’ve found this time and time again, not, not just in the everyday monks and nuns, but these were in the, the, they were called, uh, the Abbots a, uh, a b b o t t I think, uh, uh, uh, the higher ups or the mother superiors, if you will, of of the, the women on the women’s side. They all said the same thing. Why would we change anything? Exactly. And here, and here is a people that is being persecuted, uh, in acts of genocide, trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. And they’re saying, why would we change anything? It’s all perfect. So, yes. So it’s something, it’s just some, it’s something to think about because a lot of, and this is why I was not in some of the popular films, like, uh, the, you know, a lot of people saw that, uh, I didn’t do The Secret, for example.
00:57:09 I think it’s a wonderful film. I didn’t want to do that film, um, because I felt like there’s a lot of material wealth is where a lot of that was focused. It’s a good film. Yes. And it opened, it opened the door for a lot of people. But a lot of the people were really focused on material wealth because, you know, for whatever reason, maybe they didn’t have it when they were younger, or they feel that it is an expression of their value or their worth in the world or whatever. And, and I think this is, uh, I think it’s something in our community to think about what is it that we really want to change in our personal reality? Now, there’s the global, there’s the consensus reality as well. And, uh, and we all contribute to that consensus reality. The conflict that we see in the world is a reflection of the conflict that we feel within ourselves and that we experience in our lives. Yes. And if we, we want to heal that, and I know this sounds kind of airy fairy and, and you know, a lot of people say, you know, what are you talking about? But, uh, that conflict, understanding the physics and the holographic nature of the physics, the, the big world is a reflection of the small world. And that’s a real easy way to say it.
Kimberly: 00:58:24 Aveda. Yeah. As is the micro, as is the
Gregg: 00:58:26 Micro. It is. Yeah. It is. And we’ve, we’ve heard this in, in many different philosophies. Uh, it’s not an excuse for what’s happening. And we’re seeing horrendous, horrible things happening. And this, again, is where heart math comes in, because another aspect of heart math, uh, I am a scientist. My, my primary degree is an earth scientist. I’m a degree geologist. And I was excited to begin working with heart math on a project, a completely separate project under the umbrella of HeartMath called gci Global Coherence Initiative. Yes. And the bottom line is this, personal coherence is good for us for all the reasons that I shared. Global coherence is really good. And what it means is that that field that connects us all, it, it responds to only one of two conditions. The, the field either reflects coherence or chaos. It doesn’t have a lot of nuance in between.
00:59:25 So for example, and this is why when, uh, back in 2011 ish, there was a movement called Occupy movement, uh, that was sweeping the nation, our nation, and sweeping the world. And a lot of people were fired up. They were very angry. There were protests, there were fires that were started. There were fights that were going on, uh, protesting the, uh, the differences between, uh, the wealthy and, uh, and the rich and the poor, you know, and the, you know, the 1% 99% on all of that. And so people would ask me, I said, Greg, how come you’re not supporting this on your platform? Why aren’t you out there protesting? And it was hard to answer because they didn’t understand what we’re talking about. Now, with the best of intentions, when you go out into the street and you’re angry Oh, and yeah. And you’re fighting and you’re lighting fires to buildings, and you’re harassing and hasling other people with either hurt me Yes.
01:00:22 Or physically. Here’s the question that we all ask ourselves every moment of every day. You can ask yourself right now, what am I feeding the field? What am I feeding the, am I feeding the field chaos, or am I feeding the field coherence? And the chaos will contribute to the very conditions that you claim that the Occupy people claim that they were, were wanting to change. Now we need, these are, here’s, this is where it’s tricky. These are important topics. They need to be discussed. We need to do it in a kind and mature way. And I think this is part of, of our learning process. So, so the Global Coherence Initiative is the scientific reflection of this principle. They, uh, it’s a, uh, uh, uh, a publicly funded, it’s not through any grants or anything like that. We, as humans support HeartMath in this project.
01:01:20 And what they’ve done is they’ve installed a number of sensors in different continents of the Earth that all feed back to the server at HeartMath and people in every nation. Now, there are people who are consciously going into the technique that I described. They’re creating heart, brain coherence, feeding coherence into the field. And the field then reflects that. You can actually see the change in the, in the electromagnetic field. You can see that change. We have an influence. And so here, here’s where we are, Kimberly, this is so amazing. We all know we’re living a time of extremes. We’re living the convergence of cycles of change, climate cycles, economic si cycles, human conflict cycles, social cycles. And at the same time, when all of this is coming together to precipitate some kind of change, we now have come to understand that we are part of that field.
01:02:21 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that by using the most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions of the heart, and the heart and the brain, together, we can actually influence, and maybe I’m not saying control. No, I’m not saying control. I’m not saying manipulate, but we can influence the field that everyone is connected to and maybe take some of the rough edges off of the change. Maybe we’re in it, the only way out of it is to go through it. We’re all gonna go through a change. Yes. The idea is maybe we can come through with a softer landing rather than a harder landing. And wouldn’t it be a beautiful thing if that happened as a result of us remembering the deep truth of who we are, the deep truth of our story, and marrying our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions based in the heart. Yes. With the best science of the modern world to help us move through this in a healthy way. Wouldn’t that be a beautiful thing?
Kimberly: 01:03:20 Beautiful. Beautiful. Greg. And you answered my question <laugh> so well. Right. So, you know, the question I was asking, which you just, you know, really, um, hit on, was this idea of this individuality. I mentioned at the beginning of, you know, I’ll use an example of my journey. It was like, oh, I can create things. This is, you know, when I was attracted to Joe Dispenza saying, you know, some of his books and work saying, oh, look at what you can manifest. Sure. And at a certain point, it did melt more into my heart. It did melt more into service. And then I started to be, I started to be more attracted to books like the Dow, right? Like, there’s this great flow. There is the way, right? So it, we do have this power, but it becomes less fed from the ego, the Mimi, like, look at just like I wanna be seen. My core wound again was look at me because I wasn’t seen a lot as a child in some ways. Right? So we start to heal that through the heart, and then it becomes expansive, like you said, this collective, this global coherence that we’re trying to create, that we’re all part of. So that informs what our goals are, more what we’re intending, what we’re working to manifest. It just starts to become more connected to this field, and then we become more powerful because, you know, we’re meant to be connected. We’re not meant to be isolated.
Gregg: 01:04:34 Yeah. Well, what it’s, you’ve said that so beautifully, Kimberly. I couldn’t say it better. I want to ask, I wanna honor your time in your community’s time. Yes. We’re at the hour. Can do you have a few more minutes? Can, can we, yes.
Kimberly: 01:04:44 I, I mean, I didn’t even get to, uh, a 10th of my questions because
Gregg: 01:04:48 You Well, that’s what, well, we can, I’m okay. I, I blocked this, uh, this time out for you. And what I want to say, you know, we’re talking about, uh, about the trauma and about the experiences Yes. That have hurt all of us in the past, and we all have them. We, we always will because that’s the human condition. But what the science is showing, and, and in a, a live event, I can actually show this mathematically, uh, in a, in a beautiful, very, uh, uh, animated way, whatever it is that caused the trauma, that triggered the trauma in our lives, it is impossible. It is biologically, energetically, and through physics, it’s impossible to have those traumatic experiences unless we already have all of the tools that we need to transcend that trauma in a healthy way. Hmm. And in other words, we, there’s, there’s an energetic equation.
01:05:43 And it’s really interesting. You know, we go through years of our lives, e every day life. Okay? We’re meeting friends, go to the job, go to the school, you know, whatever it is you’re doing. But while you’re doing that, you’re actually building a toolbox through your interactions with people every day. You may not be aware of it, you’re not conscious of it, but you’re building a toolbox of personal interactions with other people, perhaps most importantly, of interactions with yourself. Hmm. And how you feel and how you respond to what life brings to your doorstep. So you’re building this toolbox, and you never know how, where you are in, in the construction process of your toolbox, at some point, at some point you will develop the, the last tool that gives that level of the toolbox. Its completeness. And that’s the trigger to the universe. That’s nature’s trigger.
01:06:41 Because now you’ve got this level of balance. Nature doesn’t like balance because imperfect balance, nothing happens. Nature is seeking harmony, not balance. So when you achieve, if, if everything’s a perfect balance, nothing can happen. It’s the imbalance. Hmm. That drives evolution. It’s the imbalance that drives our growth. So when you, when you accumulate that last tool, you assimilate that whatever that tool is, maybe it’s a way of communication, maybe it’s a form of body language, maybe it’s a, a new way of hearing, uh, and listening to your partner in, in a, uh, a meaningful way, whatever that tool is. Now, nature says, okay, you got all the tools. That is what opens the door for you to demonstrate your mastery over the tools that you have just accumulated. And that is when nature, the universe will bring to your doorstep the opportunity to, to demonstrate your mastery of that tool.
How to transcend and thrive
01:07:39 So wow, people come up to you at workshops. Amen. They tell me all about the, the traumas in their lives and their tremendous detail and excruciating detail, sometimes <laugh> of, of what. And, and, you know, as my brothers and sisters on this planet, we have all been through a lot. We have been through a lot i in our lives, always in the last few years, an exceptional lot. We’ve really been through it. But what I know is this, the, the deeper the wounds and the more convoluted the stories become, what I know is I’m in the presence of a true master. Because you can only have that convolution and you can only have those deep wounds because you have everything you need. Not just to survive, not just to heal, but to transcend and thrive, to become more than what those are. And now our job is to seek that out within ourselves. Where is that tool? And what the Tibetans, again, I learned so much from, from these beautiful men and women. When I was there, what they said to me very clearly, they said, the deeper the wound that we have in our lives, whatever that wound is, the deeper the hurt, the greater the depth of our capacity to love. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we must discover to transcend that hurt. And, and once you think about that, I mean, all, all of us,
Kimberly: 01:09:05 It lets in the light, the, the heart cracks, right?
Gregg: 01:09:07 But yeah, so you, so you go through, you know, a deeper, uh, you know, you go through hurts as a kid, and you find how to get through it. And then as an adult, and then, and, and as we mature and we have more intimate relationships, the intimacy is the doorway to the deepest hurts because of our vulnerability. And when those hurts inevitably occur, when we are betrayed, when our trust is betrayed, or someone lies to us, or, you know, there’s all kinds of, of, uh, our, you know, all kinds of betrayal. We can’t heal that through what we did when we were 13 years old. It’s a deeper hurt. So now we’ve got to reach deeper and find a greater capacity to love in order to transcend that hurt as a planet. Oh, we’re, we’re going through these bumps. Yeah. We’re, we’re going through a time like we’ve never seen. It’s teaching our planet to survive, first of all, and then to thrive and transcend this. And I’m not saying it’s true for every person on the planet, but in general, we are learning, uh, a, a depth of love so that we are not consumed by the hurt, so that we’re not consumed by the trauma and uhhuh. Uh, and this is something that we’re doing collectively, Kimberly. So I wanted to say that.
Kimberly: 01:10:23 Well, Greg, I could literally talk to you forever. I wanna be, um, respectful of your time. I just have one quick question, Greg.
Kimberly: 03:46 So, where you stand now in this really expanded place, you have so much wisdom. You’re seeing it from this collective. We talked about global coherence. You understand as a scientist, as a, you know, from a spiritual perspective, all these ancient traditions. I’m really interested in how you go about your approach to your work now, right? So you have all these workshops and courses and, you know, bestselling books. Do you have any intentions? Do you affirm this is gonna reach a lot of people? No. Do you talk about success or are you so in the moment of creating, you don’t, you have literal zero attachment to the results you don’t intend at all?
Gregg: 04:27 I, well, I, I, so I, I have zero attachment to the results. I don’t read my book after I write it, uh, past the editing. Yes. I don’t read, I don’t read the reviews. Uh, I say no to more interview requests than I say yes to. And I say no to more films and projects than I say yes to. Uh, what I’ve always felt, and this is one of those places where science and spirituality come together. Uh, well, first let me ask, do we have until the bottom of the hour? Are you okay if we go? Yes. Okay. That’s okay with ok. Yeah. Part, part of my,
05:03 As a scientist, uh, I began working in the corporations fortune 500 corporations as, as a problem solver back in the late 1970s. And, uh, in the energy crisis in the seventies and the eighties, I transferred into, uh, aerospace and it became defense. It wasn’t my choice. They, they moved me from aerospace to defense because they needed my expertise. We were in the Cold War. It was the Cold War. And it was a, a very frightening time for me because I’m a student of history and I recognize that during the Cold War, we were at a pivotal point on this planet where the two superpowers literally had the ability to destroy one another many times over and in life on this planet. It, it was a, a horribly frightening time. And by day I was writing software, supporting what was called S d I, star Wars defense, hoping that it would bring peace.
06:02 It’s crazy time, crazy thinking at night. And on the weekends. I’ve always been a student of the ancient texts of going to into Peru and Tibet and Egypt and India and Nepal, and, you know, all through the Desert Southwest. And to, to know what is it that our ancestors knew in their time that we have forgotten? Or what is it that they knew that we have yet to discover? And this is the bottom line for me to answer your question. I’ve always, and I’ve, to this moment, in this very moment, I still believe this. I believe that those who have come before us, left us something in their time. That if we can recognize it in our time, that it will help us to heal the hurt that has led to the great wars that have almost destroyed us in the past. And maybe the wars that we’re in right now that can still destroy us.
06:56 I believe, if we know how to look into the past, is the past old yes. Is it obsolete? No. There’s a continuity of learning if we have the wisdom to see it. And so my passion has always been to, to find that something that can help us change our story, to think differently about ourselves, so that we don’t destroy ourselves in what we think are the differences. That has always been a passion. What I recognize as an adult is that we’re going through a time in history, unlike anything we’ve ever seen in 5,000 years of recorded history. We’ve got this little window of opportunity where we have the ability to change the way we think and the way we live so that future generations can exist and thrive. Uh, or we’re at the crossroad right now. We’re making choices now that can end our species, accepting biology in or, or technology into our bodies, computer chips, chemicals in, into the biology, you know, climate, I mean war.
08:07 There’s all kinds of things. So my, what motivates me, Kimberly, is I recognize whatever time I have on this earth, I’m healthy. I feel like I’ve got years left. But the truth is you never know. But whatever time that is, uh, in that little window of time, a relatively small window, my dream and my goal has been to contribute in a meaningful way to help us find the answer that will change our story so that we can make the choices out of the love for what’s possible in our future and in our present, rather than the fear of what happens if we don’t make those choices. That’s what motivates me. And that’s why I don’t need to read the reviews, you know, and I, I don’t have, uh, you know, I don’t say, Hey man, I think this is gonna be, you know, a big seller. Uh, other people do, my editor. And, you know, of course our publisher always hopes that you,
Kimberly: 09:03 You stay out of that cuz you have all these awards. I mean, I’m reading your bio. We don’t have to go into it, well, let’s say in the show notes, but this, you know, just, you know, just don’t make the Walden Award for new thought. Like, it just goes on and on. We don’t think about it at all, Greg.
Gregg: 09:17 I, I don’t. And here’s, here’s the reason. What I learned from coming from an abusive alcoholic family is that all I can do is the best that I can do. I can’t do any more than my best. So if I say yes to a promise, if I say yes to an agreement, if I make a commitment, then I’m in a million percent. And, and to honor myself, I will do the best that I can do. And that’s all I can do. So, if I, if I write a book and I say what I wanted to say, and I did it in the best way, I know how I, I can’t possibly do anymore. Now I’m going to turn that book loose in consciousness in, in the world. And that book will do whatever it does. Now, this is interesting. 2008, I wrote a book. This is
Kimberly: 10:07 So powerful.
Gregg: 10:08 Well, two in 2008, I wrote, it’s
Kimberly: 10:10 Speaking right to my heart, <laugh>.
Gregg: 10:11 Oh, well, well, good, good. See, that’s why we’re, we’re doing this. We’re we’re on on the same page. Yes. 2000, 2008, I wrote a book called The Divine Matrix, and it was very healing for me to write about from a scientific perspective. The field underlies all existence. That was very controversial. In 2008, Hayhouse sent me on a book tour. Back in those days, we used to go city to city and do book tours. And I, I went to, uh, a bookstore in Kansas City, Missouri, my hometown, Barnes and Noble. And I walked in, I walked in to do my book signing and to do my talk. And I didn’t see my book on inside the door. I thought, well, you know, probably it’s gonna be on, you know, featured because I’m doing a book signing here tonight. And so I started looking around. I looked on all the in caps, nowhere to be seen.
11:01 I walked over to the counter and I said, I’m doing a book signing tonight. I said, but I don’t see my book here. Do you guys carry my book? And she says, well, what’s the name of your book? And I told her, and she looked it up. She goes, oh, yeah. She goes, it’s on the occult book section in the back of the store. Occult <laugh>. All right, so now, that was two, that was 2008. Now. 2018. 2018. This is how this stuff works. Uh, that book is, and it is today, it’s required reading in a university physics class, uh, that began in a Canadian university, and now it’s another university. It’s called, uh, science and Society. And so, and now the fact that that field exists is accepted in the mainstream, it’s no longer controversy. It’s no longer a cult. Now it’s, it’s in the science section.
11:50 So an idea that’s well documented, but can be a, a little bit ahead of its time science. Sometimes mainstream perception has to catch up with yes. What the, what the science is, is actually saying. And, and I think that’s true for a lot of what you’re doing. It’s true for a lot of us. These are new ways for some people, very different ways of thinking for other people. If you were blessed to be in a, a healthy household where these ideas were supported, you know, you’re rare and, uh, and maybe they’re not so new ideas to you. Yes. But, but this is the way I think this is the value of, of what we, what we’re doing. Kimberly and your, your books are amazing. You’ve done amazing work. And, uh, and I know that you put your heart and soul into Yes. Uh, in, oh, I, I know you well enough only to know about your books. I would imagine that what you put into those books reflects what you put into life, into the world. I would imagine that when you embark upon a journey, when you say yes to something, that’s your promise to be the best version of yourself and, and to do it a hundred percent. Or you’re not gonna do it. So it’s, it’s true.
Shifting your perspective around the control of numbers
Kimberly: 12:55 Great. Thank you. Thank you, <laugh>. Thank you for this. I wanna I wanna ask you another question because you have, you can go anywhere, right? Esoteric, practical. So as a woman, as a human, um, I’ve been on this journey, I talk about this very openly in my books about feeling really controlled by numbers, right? So it started off, how much do I weigh? How many calories do I eat that perfectionism, right? Leading to eating disorders and then having to be number one in my class. I went to Georgetown, I had to be like in the top echelon, and everything was about numbers, right? So it continues to this day, you know, I’m still healing from it. How many numbers am I on the best seller list? What are our sales numbers at Solluna? Right? <laugh>. So there’s this part of me that’s breaking free of that.
13:37 And I think this is true for many people listening to this right now. There’s like, it could be the number in the bank account, right? Like, you know, what’s your salary? What’s happening in the economy? My, you know how my cholesterol numbers, there’s all these numbers that can come in and change our beliefs. But then there’s the other side of, you know, what you’re talking about in your amazing book, especially my favorite one, the spontaneous Healing of Belief. I’ll say the title again, moving to it, the show notes, is that the beliefs change the numbers, right? In a sense. But then we’re hearing the numbers, Greg. And so it can create this rigidity in our mind. Can you give us some insight tools or ways of shifting how we can <laugh> not let the numbers control us so much? Because there’s a practicality we need to feed our families, right? Yeah. We wanna have certain successes. Um, but it can be, it can be really, um, difficult. And especially this is like social media, right? Here’s our followers, blah, blah, blah, on and on.
Gregg: 14:35 First I’m just gonna acknowledge, I, I hear you about the numbers and the numbers that I’m hearing about now is age. Uh, yes. I turned 65 a number of years ago mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and I didn’t even think about it. And all of a sudden I was with mailings, uh, for Social security and <laugh>, oh my gosh. You know, re retirement. And, and even today, people are saying, well, you know, you’re, um, uh, I’m well past 65 now. And they’re saying, you know, you’re probably winding down and you’re, you’re probably gonna retire. And man, I can’t even wrap my mind around what that would even, and why would I want to? Yeah. You know, what, what would that look like? So I, I hear what you’re saying about numbers, and I think for me, it comes back to pretty much to, to what we just shared together, Kimberly, and in this very intimate conversation Yes.
15:24 That we’re having in, in front of a bajillion people, <laugh>, you know, we’re living our lives and all we can do is do the best that we can do. Now, some people will use that as an excuse and they’ll say, I did my best, but they really didn’t. Mm. And and I think we have to be honest with ourselves. What is our best, and it’s not always about pushing ourselves. It is about being honest with our story. Who are we? What is our potential? What is our capabilities? Uh, what is our intent? Being honest about the intent. What is my in, in a conversation? And this just happened, um, at our Hay House event, I was in conversation with a number of people at a reception, and there was someone there that was saying things that were not true. I I The one that I met you at.
16:12 Yeah. Yeah. And I had, I know I heard <laugh>. Well, I, I had, I had an impulse, I had numb impulse to say, you know, that’s not true. But I, I have a discipline as well. And my discipline, my discipline is this. Before I will say, speak up about that. What is my intent? Number one? Um, am I trying, do I wanna make me right? Do I make someone else wrong? Or is there, is there a healing benefit? In other words, if somebody hears this non-truth, can they be damaged in some way? Number one, no. So what, what is my intent? Number one, who gets hurt if I say this? Who has helped? If I say this, and if I’m going to say it, how can I say this in a way, this accurate yet kind? And I think there are ways of offering information with kindness.
17:04 And, and it, I’m a student, I’m still learning. And it’s an amazing, because communication is, is such a, a nuanced and delicate. Uh, I mean, when you think about it, we’re taking our emotions and we’re converting them into acoustic wave patterns that are falling upon the eardrums of another living being. And we are learning how to, the nuances of how to manage those acoustic wave forms, because they will have an effect. They can hurt people. Yes. Uh, and they, they can also bolster and, and heal individuals. And, and there is, uh, it’s a lifetime of learning. So, you know, when I think, and the same goes with the written word. With the written word. Why am I writing what I’m, do I wanna make some, a lot of people in academics spend a lot of time trying to make other people wrong, I’ve had,
Kimberly: 17:57 Or to make themselves look important.
Gregg: 17:58 Exactly. I’ve had publishers that wanted to send me, and it’s not hayhouse that wanted to send me on a book tour. And the way they promoted the book tour was to create a controversy by showing how my work countered somebody else’s work. And they wanted that tension before I went on the book tour. And I said, you know, I’m not gonna do that. That’s, I don’t think it’s, it’s, it’s not honoring, uh, it’s not, it’s, it’s not fair. So, uh, so I think these are important things. We all have the ability to ask ourselves these questions before, if you’re gonna fire off a text, I do this with my, with text. I’ll see something about me and I’ll watch or respond, and I might write that text. But before I push the button or an email, what is my intent? Who am I gonna hurt? Who does this help? And is this a kind, a kind way to do this? And more? And also, I have a rule, if it’s a really important text, I’ll let it sit for the night, and I’ll look at it the next morning and see if I still feel the same. And nine times outta 10, I am really happy I didn’t push that button. I
Kimberly: 19:00 Love it. Yeah. I feel that’s like the, the masculine, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the real masculine power that we all have within us, the divine and the masculine. But that sort of, the, that shiva energy of, let me just not let my emotions overrule, but let me stay centered right in the heart. And then the kindness. Well,
Gregg: 19:18 This, there’s a big, precisely there’s a big part of me that wants to defend my friends. And this, so this was about something, this text, I’m, I’m thinking of a specific text was, uh, uh, things that were not true about a dear friend of mine who’s also an author in the industry. And I wanted to, to step up and protect my friend. That was my protector. But, you know, you talked about, you talked about Shiva. Many people think that Shiva is the destroyer in destroyer
Kimberly: 19:47 Ego
Gregg: 19:47 <laugh>. Well, but actually, when I was in India, and I talked to some of the sadhus who were there, there’s an interesting nuance. Shiva is the transformer. Hmm. And often for something to be transformed, its existing form has to give way to a higher form. And we may perceive that as destruction, but it’s not destruction for the sake of destruction. Yes, it is, it is transformation and whatever it takes to go beautifully from one pattern to another. And, and I think it’s very important. It’s a, an important distinction.
Kimberly: 20:22 We, we have like two minutes left, so I’m gonna say another pr I’m gonna fire one last practical one for you
Gregg: 20:27 In the, okay. A lightning round. Let’s do the lightning round. The,
Kimberly: 20:30 Well, the lightning round right now is really that we’re in this unstable economy, and there’s just so much happening. People are feeling that in their bodies. So back to the numbers, we see, okay, this is happening. Um, you know, there’s all this stuff on the news, the numbers. People are worried about their families, they’re worried about money, they’re worried about, you know, just lots of food costs. So what can we do? What can we do? I’ll just leave it there, Greg, just to, you know, not,
Gregg: 20:54 I’m happy, I’m happy to answer that. I think we have to be honest with ourselves. Um, there’s a, there’s a distinction between the economy and the financial system. The economy is how people get what they need for their daily lives. It’s how we get food, energy, water, medicine, communications, security. The economy is relatively intact right now, although we saw it buckled during the, the shutdowns because the, uh, supply chains were unsustainable. And that is still the case. They are very fragile and unsustainable right now. The economy is for most people, is working pretty well. It’s the financial system that is buckling and collapsing under its own weight. It’s buckling and collapsing, uh, because it’s broken. America is bankrupt. Uh, our G D P is we 120%. We, our debt is 120% of our G D P. If that were you and me in our personal lives, we would, we would be bankrupt.
22:03 If you had a credit card and, and that’s, you know, what was happening with you, you’d be bankrupt. So, uh, our, we have placed our trust in, uh, in a system and in individuals that regulate that system. And it’s not one administration. This has happened, uh, over a period of decades. We have placed our trust and we asked the world to trust us with their financial wellbeing. And the world said yes. Hmm. And, and trusted the US dollar. The dollar now has been weaponized in ways that were never imagined originally. We’re using it, uh, for sanctions against countries because we don’t agree with their policies. Hmm. Um, and the, the dollar now is broken. It is, it has lost 97% of its purchasing value from when it was created. If you go back to Bretton Woods’s agreement, 1944, uh, we’ve lost 97% of that purchasing power.
23:02 Uh, we are in the midst of a transition, and it’s hard to see it when you’re in it. And we all have to be in it because we’re part of the system. So we all have one foot in that system. We, we need to, at the same time, uh, there are people that are opting out of the system for parallel systems. And parallel systems are places where we, we make a distinction between everyday money, what you use to buy your groceries and your gas and your wealth, what it is, the legacy that you are saving for yourself, your retirement education for your kids, or you want to leave to your kids. And that wealth is being eroded, uh, because of inflation and because of, uh, of the interest rates that are out there. If you, in other words, if you have money in, in a savings account right now, just by having it there, it’s losing, its purchasing power.
23:57 Just by having that money there, you will have less purchasing power when you pulled out than when, when you put it in. So that opens the door for people looking for alternative parallel financial systems. Some of those are time and tested precious metals. A lot of people put, uh, money in the precious metals, 5,000 year history of, uh, you know, in precious metals, there are new technologies based on what are called blockchain technologies. Yes. That can have benefits. Uh, uh, and what I want to say, it’s a very, it’s a tricky conversation. And I have a number of videos on the YouTube channel. Oh, wonderful. Tell exactly what blockchain is. Tell exactly what Bitcoin is. Bitcoin is not everything else. It was the first, it’s never been hacked. It is its own, uh, its own system. It is the most secure network system that’s ever been built on the face of the earth.
24:53 It uses something called Shaw 2 56 encryption in encryption algorithms that are typically used only by advanced military, never been hacked. What has been hacked are the platforms, the banks, the digital banks like FTX that host those things. There is a movement in mainstream media to downplay and badmouth, badmouth any alternative financial system because they threaten the central banking system that is there right now. Yes, the central banking system is the one that’s broken. It’s the one that can men manipulate our, our, our, our life savings and all of those things. I’m, I think, to the degree that we can explore parallel systems, whatever that is. Yes. And we could do, I’m happy to do a whole podcast with you on this if, if you’d like, but I want to back up from and, and look at this from a different perspective of why this is important.
25:46 What we call money and currency are two different things. Currency is what we exchange among ourselves, but money is what stores the value right now. Currency, the paper dollars we hold in our hands, there’s nothing backing those. They’re not tied to anything because we went off the gold standard in 1971, Nixon took us off the gold standard. So it is an idea. The paper money or, or paper currency money has always been something tangible that you can hold in your hand, like precious, like gold or silver or something like that. But all of those, there’s a spiritual component to this. We are spiritual beings in physical bodies. And when we exert our spiritual energy, typically, uh, to provide services for someone else, to create goods for someone else, or to provide information for someone else, those are the three ways we typically expend our spiritual energy, information, goods and services.
26:55 We are compensated for that, uh, through, that’s energy. And we are compensated through energy that we call money. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and when the financial system, uh, through greed and corruption is mismanaged the way that it has been for decades now, so that we have, uh, 120% of the G D P, we’ve got, uh, how, how many, uh, the debt ceiling now is what, 132 trillion or, or whatever it is. What we’re doing is this is our spiritual energy that is not being honored. And when we look at some of the alternatives like a blockchain technology, it cannot be manipulated. Uh, it cannot be inflated. It is based upon, uh, a transparent ledger. It’s completely transparent so that, uh, information cannot be hidden the way that it can be with, you know, with the fiat currency. Those ideas threaten the system that we have right now.
28:02 And you’re seeing this battle play out in the mainstream. You’re seeing, uh, mainstream news push back, uh, and politicians push back on some of the digital, uh, on Bitcoin specifically mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and I’m make, I’m making distinction between Bitcoin and all of the other, you know, crypto that’s out there. Because 99% of it probably will not survive. It’s all copying to some degree, the original idea. Mm-hmm. And, and the way that Bitcoin was even formed is, is deeply mysterious. Uh, after the financial crisis in, uh, oh seven and oh eight, uh, it was created, we don’t know who created it. The pseudonym is Satoshi Nakamoto. And we don’t know if that’s a consortium, if that’s an individual. Uh, and if you look into the original block that was created in that blockchain, it was done to free us from, uh, from the bondage of the, the controlled currencies that we had in the past.
29:06 So it’s a deep conversation. A lot of people, you know, say they wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. And a lot of people say they’re all in. And, uh, and there’s a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there. So, uh, I think it’s something to be aware of. We’re in the middle. We’re in the middle of the greatest wealth transfer in the history of humankind. We’re in the middle of a transition of both financial and economic systems. And there are multiple competing agendas and multiple competing visions of what the new system could look like. And you’re seeing that battle play out in your bank account. So
Kimberly: 29:45 What we can do day-to-day, Greg, is explore the parallel systems. But like you said, money’s in energy. So keep showing up, doing our best in our jobs, in our businesses. Yeah.
Gregg: 29:56 Yeah. I think, I think so. And, and you have to really ask yours. And, and this requires a level of maturity and a level of responsibility. A lot of people don’t want, they just think money is what you hold in your hand, and that the system is always going to be there. There is a concerted effort that we’re all going to, to be seeing if you’re not already to move us into a, what’s called a central bank digital currency, C B D C later this year or early next year. It is, uh, it’s not, it’s not a, it’s not Bitcoin by the banks. This is a, where the paper money is no longer used. Hmm. And every, it’s essentially, it’s not really money anymore. It’s essentially the bank giving us, uh, a digital receipt that can be programmed, uh, in terms of how it’s used and when it’s used and what we purchase.
30:50 So if, if, if it is linked to carbon credits, for example, if you go to the gas station and you wanna put gas in your car and the database comes up and says, well, you’ve already driven your allotment of 500 miles for the week, then through a central bank digital currency, you can either be denied that fuel purchase or you can be taxed a greater amount because you’ve exceeded what’s socially acceptable. And I’m not saying that is happening. I’m saying this is a potential wow for one, one of the potentials. And the reason we say this is because other countries have already implemented this, and this is what is already happening. This isn’t science fiction. It’s already happening, uh, in, in other countries. And they want America to get with the program so that there is continuity between these countries. America is not set up for this.
31:39 We’re not wired this way. Uh, and it, it is a level of, of control that we have never seen before that has the potential to be abused. So I wanna say that clearly the technology is never good, bad, right or wrong. Technology is just technology. It’s the thinking. It’s the story underlying the technology. So if you believe that you are living under a system of government that cares about you and that cares about your wellbeing and would only make choices to benefit you and your family and your community, uh, in the short term and the long term, this might be the perfect system. And if you live under system of government where you feel that that may not be the case, then that’s the invitation to, to look for alternatives. And if we take the time to look at other nations that have implemented these as what a beta test they were running the test, another like China, for example, uh, you can get a pretty good idea of where this can go pretty quickly. And it’s all about the thinking underlying what’s happening. It all comes back to our story.
Kimberly: 32:47 Wow.
Gregg: 32:47 Comes back to our story. It
Kimberly: 32:49 All comes full circle. Wow. Greg, thank you so much. I mean, I literally could sit here and talk to you for 10 hours and never run out of things to ask you <laugh>.
Gregg: 33:02 Obviously, we’ll, we’ll call this Kimberly and Greg part one. Yes. And, uh, and I look forward to our part two. I wanna thank you again for your trust in sharing me with your community. Some of them I think, uh, may know me, some may not. And I’m, I’m meeting them for the first time through you, and it means a lot that you would trust me with your community and, and, um, I just wanna acknowledge that and say thank you.
Kimberly: 33:22 Well, and thank you so much, Greg, for sharing so much wisdom. So general generously with all of us, it’s just this never ending spout of wisdom coming forth on so many different subjects. And of course, willing to everything in the show notes from your books, to your YouTube, to your courses and so on. So again, thank you so much.
Gregg: 33:40 All right. Thank you so much. I’m gonna say take good care and thank you for all of our viewers. Thank you all for being the best version of yourselves and making this the, the best possible world. I appreciate all of that. Take good care.
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