Intuitive Eating: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance [Episode #856]
This weekâs topic is: Intuitive Eating: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance
This is such an important topic because when we learn to be in tune with our food, we start to connect more to our body, to the amazing, unique energy inside of us. We learn how to best care for ourselves and our expression in the world. Because we all have different bodies and different makeups, itâs only when we really start to intuit whatâs exactly best for us, that everything turns on to the highest level. Our energy, our creative expression, our digestion, our skin and hair health, and our ability to just feel really good throughout our day.
Iâve always said that food isnât the end all be all, however, itâs a very important ingredient in our overall wellness journey. How we eat affects our energy and our outlook on life. It affects our emotional health, our mental wellbeing, and our ability to sit and meditate. Iâm very excited about this topic and provide you with some research and tangible tips and tools to help you intuitively eat better throughout your day and cut through a lot of that confusion so you can start to employ it in your own life, and in your body, and in your diet.
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Kimberly, l love the podcast. I have been hearing more and more about intuitive eating and would love to know your thoughts on it and the benefits.
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Kimberly: 00:01 Hi everybody, and welcome back to our Thursday q and a show. I am so excited that we are videotaping the podcast now. So if youâre listening to this on audio, you could also check it out on YouTube. If youâre watching this on video waving to you, Iâm so happy. This has been a dream of mine for a long time, just to make it feel even more intimate as we talk about these different subjects. And today, our topic is all about intuitive eating, which is such an important topic because when we learn to be in tune with our food, we start to connect more to our body, to the amazing, unique energy inside of us. We learn how to best care for ourselves and our expression in the world.
00:58 As we all know, we all have different bodies, we all have different makeups, and itâs only when we really start to intuit whatâs exactly best for us, that everything turns on to the highest level, our energy, our creative expression, our digestion, our skin health, our hair health, our ability to just feel really good day to day as we move through our day. So Iâve been talking about food for over a decade, but as Iâve always said, food isnât the end all be all, but itâs a very, very important ingredient in our overall wellness journey. How we eat affects our energy. It affects our outlook on life. It affects our emotional health, our mental wellbeing, our ability to sit and meditate. So Iâm very excited about this topic to provide you, as always with some research and then some really tangible tips and tools to help you intuitively eat better throughout your day.
01:59 And our official title is Intuitive Eating, listening to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance. So I just want to hit on that quickly because in a world where thereâs so much information and thereâs so many charts and thereâs so many different diets, it can be really confusing. So the purpose, my intention with todayâs show is to cut through a lot of that confusion, and again, to leave you with really tangible day-to-day tips that you can start to employ in your own life and in your body and in your diet. Before we dive deeper in, wanted to give a little reminder to please check out our website, my sauna.com. Over there, there are tons of other podcasts I think youâll enjoy, as well as recipes, very much in attunement with this show. I always encourage you to modify the recipes. The recipes are a base if you want to try different spices, different herbs, different seasonal veggies, but the recipes are really great for helping to spark creativity as well as guided meditations, articles and more.
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Question around the topic of:Intuitive Eating: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance: Kimberly, l love the podcast. I have been hearing more and more about intuitive eating and would love to know your thoughts on it and the benefits.
So our question today comes from Jillian who lives in Nebraska. Jillian, thank you so much, my love for leaving us a question. I always love to hear from you, and chances are that many of you have the same questions. So sending you a big virtual hug to Nebraska, which is a state Iâve never been to yet, but I would love to visit, and you write question. Kimberly, I love your podcast. I have been hearing more and more about this term intuitive eating, and I would love to know your thoughts on it and benefits.
04:06 So once again, Jillian, thank you so much for bringing this to mind. And I love the idea of using our intuition, which is using our internal wisdom and our internal guidance. So what this means is not relying 100% on quantitative analysis, not relying completely on numbers and the numeric nutritional charts that we see on the back of our food boxes or that we read about online or in apps. Those can be helpful guidance, but how our body digests food and the best foods for our body are going to supersede numbers alone. So when we think about intuition, when you think about that feeling inside of you, which you may feel in your heart or deep down in your gut, it doesnât just come down to necessarily lists and what your best friend is eating or what your mom said she read about in a certain study.
05:03 Although weâll get into research in just a moment. Thereâs going to be this part of this, and Iâm going to help you connect to it. Thatâs very unique to you. So the more we learn to tune in and listen to our intuition, the more guidance weâre going to have around our diets and as well as our relationships and the next best step to take in our work and in our careers, and the best thing that we can do to maximize our time when we have a free day where weâre guided to. And itâs not something that anyone else can give to us. We all have this wisdom inside of us, and we want to start to cultivate that and bring that more forward. But that being said, thereâs a little bit of research that I do want to share with you to ground this and all of this research, all these studies, if you want to go deeper into them, theyâre going to be listed and linked to on our show notes, which again is my, so luna.com, S-O-L-L-U-N a.com, if you like to read research and studies.
Research and Studies
06:04 So the first one is from the Journal of Counseling and Psychology. This is back from 2013. And this found that when they measured college aged men and women and they studied their eating habits, and they found that when they were able to rely on more emotional reasons, reasons that werenât just about their BMI or their caloric needs, these men and women relied on more intuitive eating, and this was able to allow them to feel more satiated and more fulfilled in their food, in their diets, and they were able to actually feel more fulfilled across their lives. And these were college aged students. What this says to me, and having worked with clients over a decade is that it can be very stressful when we only look at charts. And letâs say this used to happen to me. I would say, you know what? I ate all the calories I was supposed to eat for this meal, but Iâm still hungry.
07:06 And then we get into guild or shame and we start to play these number games. We start to get into starvation mode or food starts to become a distraction in our lives versus a support system. So like I said, we want to make sure that it may be helpful to know how many grams of sugar weâre having in a meal or how many grams of protein weâre ingesting overall, but we donât want to just rely on those charts. And research does show this also the Journal of Science in the same year, 20 20, 20 13, found then when people ate more intuitively, they actually had lower body mass index, their BMI was better, and they had greater interceptive sensitivity. They were more in tune with their foods and their nutritional needs. And thereâs more of this free flow, which I notice where some days you may wake up and feel really hungry, and it depends on your metabolism, what you ate yesterday, whatâs going on for you, stress-wise for us ladies, the time of the month, our menstrual cycles.
08:19 So we donât want to be so rigid. Intuitive eating is about this flow. Itâs about letting go of rigid control. And when we do that, what Iâve noticed in my work is that our digestion does function a lot better, and it means that food doesnât become another source of stress. Itâs there to support us. And I definitely adjust my diets. Thereâs time in the summer, for instance, itâs really hot. Iâm more drawn to eating fruit in the morning in the GGS. And now that itâs wintertime for me, Iâll have that GGS, I had a smoothie this morning, but then Iâll need heavier foods. Iâll need that wrap, that almond flour wrap with the hummus and the avocado. Iâll need that fat and Iâll feel that in my body. So this intuitive feels like the ways of the ocean where thereâs no rigidity, thereâs no trying to latch down and make things work.
09:14 Itâs more how do we support whatâs happening inside of us? And the study at the Cambridge University Press found that there was a positive impact of intuitive eating and on healthier food choices and eating behaviors, emphasizing the importance of flexibility. Iâve noticed in my work with clients this real parallel between stress in life, stress in work, thinking we have to be in a certain place in our life, certain place in our career, weâre supposed to be making a certain salary, weâre supposed to be married at a certain age and have a certain number of kids, and that sort of rigidity played out in their diet. I see a real rigidity stress if they canât get a certain food or their favorite restaurants closed, or the place where they get their coffee isnât available that day, right? So everything in our life is interconnected. So if we could start to train ourselves to relax more, to trust our bodies more, to be more flexible in our diets, we could start to see that translate in a more open approach across the board into our day-to-day lives.
10:26 And this stress response, if you see if youâre watching this, my shoulders, this tightening means thereâs more cortisol production. It means that thereâs more stress hormones. It means that blood flow and circulation is literally being pulled out of your GI tract. Itâs being pulled out of your vitality. Itâs being drained. We donât know all the answers. We donât know everything. So when we approach life with this really strong sense of trying to control, we can actually block the best things from coming in. We can block the best solutions and things that we couldnât see. So we want to just have a much more open approach across the board. And this means more flexibility in our day-to-day diet. And thatâs where intuitive eating really comes in and means, I donât have to follow this chart exactly. Iâm actually hungrier at lunch today and not as hungry at dinner, or vice versa, or whatever it is.
11:25 And then weâre more in tune with this flow. Itâs sort of like in the river how the water goes around the rocks, right? Thereâs this beautiful synergy. Everythingâs working together versus this very forceful way of pushing things along long and the studies go on and on. Iâm just going to highlight a few more here before we get into our tips, which are the most exciting part. I love to really give you guys how you can live this, whatâs helped me. But two more things I wanted to point out is the American Journal of Health Education more recently in 2020 found that there was a relationship between intuitive eating, physical activity, motivation, IE being more excited and motivated to exercise and move our bodies regularly. And BMI finding that when we are more in tune with our bodyâs needs, we get excited about the rest of our lifestyle.
12:26 We get excited about exercise. It doesnât feel like robotic drudgery. And as a result, our body composition tends to balance more anyways in a better way. Our fat, our musculature for our particular individual structure becomes more balanced. And again, this shows that the mind wants us to be rigid and thinks it knows whatâs best. But beyond the mind is this intuition, which comes from the heart. It comes from the gut. It comes from the deeper place inside of us. And when we tune into this wider place of looking at our diet, we really do get better results. And the last study I want to point out is from the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. And this found that chronic dieters, those who were very rigid about their diet, had a higher risk of metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors as well as lower psychological states of wellbeing.
13:32 So we look at whatâs really important in wellness, what does wellness really mean? Itâs not just how much we weigh, of course, itâs not just these numbers. Itâs not just our BMI, itâs not the salary that we make, but itâs this state of overall wellbeing, joyfulness, a state of ease, a state of creativity, a state of self-expression where we can be the truest aspects of ourselves. And so we want this intuitive eating to support us. And again, this is why itâs so important that itâs flexible and it changes day-to-day, moment to moment instead of taking a very rigid approach. So the first thing, now that we highlighted some of this research, because I want you to see that this has actually been studied. This intuition isnât just intuitively good for us, but itâs actually been studied and measured in science with real human subjects. And we found that it really does have a positive impact, not just on your mental health and emotional wellbeing, but on your body and how well your body will digest and utilize its nutrients.
Intuitive Eating: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance: Understanding Hunger and Fullness
14:39 So when it comes to intuitive eating, the first thing that we want to start to understand about ourselves is the basics. When are we really hungry and when are we really full? And youâd be amazed when Iâve worked with clients now for over I think 14 years, this basic question that comes up is almost a hundred percent I get this answer. I donât really know when Iâm truly hungry. And thatâs across the board. Men, women, people of all ages. Weâve lost track and touch with our bodies. So we need to start to tune in. What does hunger really feel like versus Iâm trying to self-soothe a feeling of stress. The moments we want to reach for that cookie or that chocolate is often because we feel like we need a treat or we need a pick me up, or we want to feel soothed. Weâre having a busy day at work, or weâre running around as a parent, and the day is feeling like a lot.
15:41 Thereâs a lot of tantrums thatâs not real hunger, and itâs okay to understand that and to still want that macha latte or that bag of chips, but we want to just start to be in tune with when does my body really need food? And to understand that itâs good to establish a baseline of under understanding emptiness and fullness. So what I mean by that is you can take a couple days, and this is what Iâve done with my clients, to make sure that we remove snacking for a few days. Youâre going to get up in the morning and you can try this yourself, even if itâs just one day, youâre going to get up in the morning. And ideally you would have water room temperature, water, you would have hot water with lemon. You would take your SBO probiotics. You do your basics, and then you would really wait and notice, because weâre putting attention on it, when do I actually start to feel hungry?
16:38 Meaning thereâs bodily cues, thereâs rumbling in your stomach, you keep getting drawn back to your stomach versus Iâm in my kitchen, Iâm making lunch for my kid, so automatically Iâm just starting to eat a bowl of cereal with them, or Iâm just starting to eat this banana because I happen to see it. We want to just start to reset. When am I really hungry? So depending on your body type, and Ayurveda talks about the Kapha body type, for instance, which is a more earthy type, can go all the way almost to lunch and not really feel hunger. Their body doesnât need hunger or food. Iâm a Vata body type. I have a lot of air and space. I tend to run thin, to be honest. Iâm starving by 8:00 AM, right? I eat food in my stomach, and if youâre Pitta like my husband, more of a fiery type, your digestion is pretty steady, but he gets hungry a little bit later, more like nine 10.
17:33 He could even go till 11. He does a little bit of his own sort of intermittent fasting. So we just want to pay attention to what hunger really feels like. Then we want to eat that first meal as we start to eat it. For many of us, the community, itâs the glowing green smoothie with lots of fiber in it, over 10 grams of fiber. Or letâs say youâre having avocado toast or a granola bar, whatever you happen to eat, you want to eat to the point where youâre first of all chewing well, and that includes the smoothie so that you start to actually assimilate. Remember, we are not what we digest. We are not what we eat. We are what we digest and assimilate. So you want to chew, which makes you slow down and mix the amylase, the digestive enzymes in your mouth with your food so that it starts to just integrate more with your bodyâs energy.
18:27 We donât want to chug smoothies. We donât want to gulp down our food because again, it starts to distort hunger and fullness. So you want to take time to chew, ideally, and I know that this is really hard in the morning, you want to take time to eat your food. Now, listen, I multitask in the morning. Iâm not going to lie. Iâll be having my smoothie while Iâm making my kidsâ breakfast, right? But thereâs just moments to connect with your food, to take a moment to be grateful for what youâre eating. Itâs important that weâre not doing any of this unconsciously. Then we would take time instead of getting into that cycle of keeping a bunch of food on your desk, snacking mindlessly. Remember, especially the first day, we want to take extra time to really pay attention. And then you would do the next thing.
19:18 You would notice when is my body really hungry for lunch? And then you would eat your lunch, ideally not stare at your computer screen or whatever, but if you would just take a couple moments, sit outside or at your kitchen table, change the channel a little bit, slow down, and then notice when real fullness comes into your belly. Now, thereâs a term, and I believe Iâm pronouncing it correctly, but I may not be, is Ikigai something like that? Itâs a Japanese term, which means not completely full. And thatâs one of the principles that Dan Butner discovered in the blue zones. One of the blue zones, the areas where people live the longest and have the lowest rates of degenerative diseases is Okinawa, or it was traditionally, unfortunately, a lot of places in the world are now changing and shifting, but in Japan, they donât eat to complete fullness.
20:09 They eat to about 80%. So you can start to play with this. So we donât go overboard into, oh my gosh, I ate so fast and now Iâm so full. I feel gross. I feel dense. I feel so heavy. This is a terrible feeling. Want to slow down. So we start to notice, actually, this is so intuitive. This is so individual when Iâm actually really full, and same thing, many of us, thereâs a long stretch between lunch and dinner. So you may need that afternoon snack, or you may want to play with really intuiting your own hunger until you get to dinner. If you can do this for a day, you will start to be better attuned to your real hunger and your fullness needs. And this starts the process of just being more aware. My husband loves food. Sorry, Iâm not trying to throw him under the bus, but heâll be the first to say this.
21:06 He says this on the podcast where we come on. And so we have to do resets from time to time, and weâre doing a reset right now where heâs like, well, I just ate this huge meal, but I feel like Iâm still hungry. The stomach can get distended, portion sizes can get out of control. Thatâs what we see a lot in the United States where people sometimes balloon to hundreds of pounds beyond their natural weight. So there is this intuitive resetting, connecting with your food and starting to be aware of natural portion size. And it happens over time, and this starts to happen along with meditation in the morning when we can just sit and be more still with ourselves, because otherwise weâre projecting all of our emotional issues into food. And the second we feel reactive in our bodies, this came in, oh my gosh, itâs almost the end of the month.
22:02 I have all these deadlines, or Oh my gosh, all this stuff is happening. We start to project that into something physical that gives us that immediate sense of relief, that chocolate, that pizza, that really tangible, delicious smelling thing that we can eat. We want to start to separate. We want to have other tools for dealing with the stress, and we have many other podcasts that weâll link to around these topics. My third book called The Beauty Detox Power actually went into the nine top food cravings and the emotional counterpart. So for instance, really spicy foods, wanting a sense of excitement, getting out of a dull routine, not feeling fulfilled at work or that sweetness, wanting to feel this almost like an emotional hug or the fat with the sweetness IE ice cream. Something really fatty that has a lot of sugar versus like a lollipop.
23:01 Fat is a stabilizer. So if weâre starting to feel out of control in the whirlwind of our life, thereâs a lot of things that feel out of our control that fat provides a real denseness in our bodies, and the sugar is like a soothing hug on top. So we just want to start to be aware of our emotional mindset and slow down, do some of our breathing practices that we share on our audio tracks. We have a lot of free meditations for you guys, and we just ran that meditation study, our heart aligned meditation, where participants did this eight minute meditation four times a week, and after one month, their coherence went up 29%. Coherence is focus, better mental functioning, better decision-making, including with our diets, discerning when weâre hungry, when weâre full, when weâre not. So this awareness of our body, this intuitive eating isnât just about what youâre eating.
24:00 It also means stress management, slowing down, having stillness practices, journaling, meditation, the other aspects in our emotional wellbeing, corners down that we talk about, and we have so many tools for you guys over on the website to explore. Along with that, thereâs this tuning out. Weâre tuning in, and we want to tune out so much of diet, culture, and maybe turning off the news, the feeds, the social media accounts that are promoting this more frantic way, desperation, this chaotic way of eating, especially for the time being that feeds into fear. That feeds into, well, if I listen to the body, I think Iâm going to get really fat, or I donât really trust my body, or whatever it is. We donât want too much of that information coming in when weâre resetting, and some of you have heard me talk about this, but I love to share.
25:01 I think itâs important we all share our journeys. I was a chronic dieter before I shifted over into this Cel Beauty detox way of eating. It really did rule my life. I was tracking everything. I tried everything from low carb, low sugar eating, counting my calories. I never was able to sustain the weight loss, and I never felt really good. It was just a huge part of my mental focus. No matter what I was doing, even in the conversation, it was always sort of there. And then when I shifted over into this intuitive way of eating and focused on digestion and started taking my probiotics every day, did food combining my weight has not shifted more than a few pounds except for when I was pregnant, of course, for the past now almost 14 years. And when I do have to weigh myself when I go to the doctors or whatever it is, itâs always around the same.
Intuitive Eating: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance: Rejecting Diet Culture
25:57 So I share this with you just to share that when we let go and when we trust and we start to reset and we reconnect with our bodies, and yes, we have more fiber, which fills us up, itâs a natural form of portion control, and thatâs built into our recipes. The bodyâs high level of intelligence and wisdom starts to get turned on. So I encourage you to move away from the magazines again, the people youâre following on social media, you can mute them for a while or whatever it is that are encouraging this rigid, chaotic way of eating, and you will be so much better off, I promise you, thatâs not going to get you where you want to go. In our holistic wellness sense, which isnât just your weight, but this sense of enjoying your life, peacefulness, creativity, that means a lot of your brain thatâs been leaked into just thinking about food will get redirected into your creative projects and into your family life and into your loved ones, right?
26:58 So we want to do a little bit of detoxing as far as what information is coming on and when it comes to cravings, and I touched on this a little bit, this is where self-awareness and growing our intuitive knowing can be really powerful. I did this in the beginning in introspection, Paramahansa Yogananda says, youâve heard me say this quote, I love it, is one of the most powerful forms of self-improvement. If we donât turn that light back into ourselves and wonder, why am I really, really wanting those tacos today or these chips, or maybe itâs my period, but maybe itâs because thereâs just so much stress in my life right now, or Iâm feeling really down on my expectations for my life, goals not being met, or thereâs so much going on with my kids. I feel like I donât have any time for myself, whatever it is, here in the corner of my office.
27:55 I opened this drawer the other day and I saw so many of my journals, and I thought, wow, this has helped me so much. Because when you look at the written word, and for me, I like to write by hand, but sometimes it may be easier for you to put it in the notes app on your phone if youâre moving around when I look at what Iâm writing and no one else has to see it. So thereâs this intimacy with myself. Thereâs this mirror back to myself, and I say, wow, whoa. I didnât really know how much I was reacting, and it was coming out in my food choices, but it was also coming out in my voice. It was coming out in maybe drinking more wine during that period, or just feeling really frazzled. And then I also noticed that my skin wasnât looking so great.
28:43 We can just start to connect the dots and we can start to see, I need to create other ways slowing down in my schedule or outsourcing things, or really being on top of meditating or my breathing, whatever it is, so that Iâm not just getting overwhelmed and then piling it onto food. So if you can keep better track of your journaling and your cravings and whatâs going on, and not in a way that feels onerous sometimes itâs like, oh, I have to have my food journal. Make it fun. I always have journals where I love the cover. Itâs beautiful for me. I have my favorite pens, and it just feels like a real moment with myself. I like to do it in the evenings. Sometimes when Iâm stretching, I do my journaling, and it feels like a real ritual. So I encourage you to do that because thatâs a really important part of intuitive eating is this reflecting back.
Intuitive Eating: How to Listen to Your Body for Nutritional Guidance: Self-Reflection and Self-Care
29:37 And then also self-care beyond food is a really important part of intuitive eating. When we are more connected to our bodies, weâre better able to actually feel the bodyâs cues to feel that moment when our heart is racing and our stress response is going, and our sympathetic parasympathetic and our sympathetic nervous system is starting to get imbalanced. Itâs those moments where we start to tune in and we start to notice, boom, thatâs where Iâm reaching for more coffee, or thatâs where Iâm reaching for more of this. Treat whatever it happens to be. Self-care means a lot of things, and we wonât go into all of it, but we have so many podcasts that weâll link to about a Bianca, for instance. An important way to connect with your body is to actually physically touch your body. This is an Ayurvedic practice of self massage. It could even be as simple and paired down for you as massaging your feet in the evening, connecting with the nerves in your body.
30:37 When we touch the skin, which is the largest organ in the body, we actually do help to bring us back to this moment and to bring us back to what is going on with us. Thereâs so much attention going out all the time onto our phones, onto our friends, onto social media and emails, and everythingâs flowing out. So self-care, connecting, also scent. Iâll show you guys, I almost always have some essential oils on my desk, and when Iâm shooting, scent really wakes up different parts of your brain and it brings you here into this moment slowing down texture. I love really soft clothes. All these simple ways that you can feel like youâre really nourishing yourself starts to nurture back self-worth self love. And then we can be more in tune. Because the truth is, when we arenât in tune, it is a form of abuse.
31:34 When weâre just not really aware of how much food weâre supposed to be eating, really whatâs good for our bodies, we burn out our life force when we eat too much, and youâre far too precious for that. Thereâs only one of you in the world. Weâre built to be here to bring forward this wisdom that only you can bring, and we want to really honor that. So, and your morning practice, which we wonât get into now, but again, we have full dedicated shows where you can, usually, when I go work with clients, we go into the morning, practice, what youâre doing in the first hour of your day, and usually I see significant change when we start to stack a few wellness routines in the morning. Very simple, as I mentioned, a few of them. Drinking hot water with lemon, hydrating with a glass of room temperature, water.
32:24 Having your SBO probiotics, getting your gut health and check right at the beginning of the day, taking a few moments to breathe down into your heart, your belly, doing even eight minutes of meditation. It will put you into a more positive mindset and energy for the rest of the day. And then weâll start to be more in tune, intuitively eating, and otherwise, with our bodies and with our unique selves. So thank you so much for tuning in with me today. And if youâre watching this right now, itâs a very special day. This is our first show that weâre taping, so Iâm very excited. I think itâs nice to have that intimacy, the visual, as well as the audio. If you like the audio though, and thatâs more convenient for you while youâre walking your dog or driving, weâll always have it as well on the audio form, as weâve always had on Spotify and Apple and so on. So you have your choice now, and Iâm just so excited to be offering this to you. As always, Iâm so honored to be on this journey together, and you can check out all these other resources, as I mentioned on our website, my sauna.com, and also you can find me on social media at underscore Kimberly Snyder. Weâll be back here Monday for our next interview podcast, as usual. So until then, sending you so much love and so much support. Namaste.

