This week’s topic: Harnessing the Power of the Heart to Create More Calm and Joy in Your Life with my Husband Jon Bier.
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00:00 Introduction and Overview of the Book
02:26 The Power of Heart Coherence
09:41 The Importance of Feeling and Processing Emotions
25:29 Understanding the Heart’s Messages and Wisdom
30:12 Tools and Techniques for Heart Coherence
34:54 The Impact of Heart-Based Living on Families and Society
About Chilla Gorilla
Chilla Gorilla and Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart is an endearing adventure that helps everyone navigate big feelings while discovering inner peace. In this enlightening and playful story, wise old Chilla Gorilla teaches his young friend Lanky Lemur how to use his heart’s wisdom to transcend intense emotions, such as frustration, anger, and fear, in order to experience harmony, tranquility, and joy.
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Kimberly Snyder (00:01.07)
Hello and welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited to have back on our podcast today, my hubby, John. Welcome back to the show, baby. Thank you for having me, mama. Who happens to be my co -author on our new children’s book, Chilla Gorilla and Lanky Lemur Journey to the Heart. And today we’re going to be talking about the power of heart -based living. So I have to say, baby, it was amazing having this project together.
And there’s such a deep.mission and purpose behind the book. It’s a lot of fun. We, as parents, you start reading a lot of children’s books. And a lot of them have beautiful stories and a lot of them have messages. But, I think we wanted to write something with, you know, truly a foundational message that we could impart on young people as they learn to deal with their feelings.
I feel a really strong sense of urgency right now, what’s happening in society as well, because I think as parents and people in general, we’re concerned that there’s so much technology, there’s so much social media, there’s so much of this fast -paced society where we’re seeing a deep disconnection to self, we’re seeing behavioral changes in children who are exposed to media, they’re just exposed to such harsh things.
Just walking around our kids see things on billboards and you know, even though we’re a very low -screen family and there’s rising rates of depression and anxiety in children there is confusion there is looking outside of the cell for Answers because there again just this disconnection. So our book is really about Dealing with that need and connecting to the heart. There’s the science of heart coherence and how the heart and the brain and the nervous system
There’s also the energetic and the spiritual aspects of the heart and how this connects to the true self. So we wrote this book. When this book deal came along, it was like, my gosh, I had already started to research the heart for my next adult book, but it was like, this is what families need. And it’s made such a difference in our family life. It’s powerful. I mean, you don’t really realize it sometimes that people that have road rage, for example.
Kimberly Snyder (02:26.35)
you’re not really upset about what’s happening in the traffic that you’re sitting in or the line that you’re standing on. You’re having a feeling that hasn’t been processed from elsewhere. And these are grownups. These are adults, but these are things that you can address and start getting comfortable with and identify as a child, which is pretty powerful. Exactly. So, well, first of all, let’s just say that you and I didn’t grow up.
with a lot of tools for dealing with feelings. And I speak about this openly, we speak about this. This is something that carries into childhood, right? So feelings and emotions, energy and motion are sensations and they come and they go. So the central mantra in the book is feelings come and go, yet inside is a calm place where peace and love can grow. And this means that we can learn to be the anchor to ourselves. This was something that was never,
you know, taught to me. So instead, when big feelings and overwhelm would hit, I would feel anxious. I would cling to trying to be the smartest or to show my worth or my worthiness through grades. Later in life, I would pour my stress into eating and throw it up. I was bulimic in high school. I was partying a lot in college. So I was working so hard. I would be so stressed. I would just drink and party all the time. So.
Like I said, there’s this urgency and learning how to manage big feelings. And it’s also what we teach in the book, which we’ll get into a moment more as heart coherence. The heart has this power to direct your thoughts. It’s like, as I say in the next adult book, which is coming out in September, it’s like the heart is a lasso over the wild horse of the brain. So instead of going to the brain to try to think positively or try to tell your brain to calm down,
We want to go to a different place to find the solution than where the problem is, where the challenge is. So the heart has this ability to stabilize our energy. It’s the main, it’s a biological oscillator of the body, meaning it’s the main rhythm center. So once we get in touch with the heart, it’s not just fuzzy feeling like, sentimental, the heart, it’s actually the science of creating more focus, calmer thoughts, and more emotional intelligence. Powerful. I think there’s a real,
Kimberly Snyder (04:44.718)
conversation to be had that the book addresses also about labeling your feelings. I know from my own experience that if I’m feeling sadness, for example, I don’t necessarily know how to feel sadness because I didn’t grow up feeling that instead I would channel it into anger. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It’s saying as well that sometimes the children don’t have the vocabulary.
for certain feelings, sometimes they do, but no matter what it is, it’s saying that these big sensations come and they will pass through if we let ourselves feel them and feel safe. So what does happen, what science shows us is if we don’t and it gets pushed down and actually gets encrypted, stored in our bodies, stored in our nervous system, it creates these emotionally charged memories in our amygdala. And so later in life,
things come up, I know for me, if someone interrupts me or I feel like they don’t understand me, it triggers this past pain of feeling unseen, unworthy, and I get really angry, you know? And so the way that I healed so much, and this book is also this message, these tools are for adults or for the whole family, because as you and I have gotten more in touch with our feelings and we’ve become more coherent,
it’s really changed our family. So it’s never too late to go on this heart -based journey. And I’ll also say that the book is out this week. It’s very exciting. You can get it wherever books are sold. But until tomorrow, if you’re listening to this on Monday or Tuesday, we are still offering our pre -order.
amazing offerings, which include a full guide for heart -based living, which includes recipes and practices and tools. And also you’ll get a ticket to a live conference where we will be teaching the Heart Aligned Meditation and answering questions. It’ll be on June 10th. And you’ll also get entered into a drawing for a one -on -one Zoom with yours truly. So I want you to please take advantage of these amazing offerings to further living this way, this heart -based living, which is something that…
Kimberly Snyder (06:56.59)
We’re so passionate about teaching because it’s created more connection, more peace, more calm. I mean, there’s a palpable difference since we started doing this hard work. Think about where our family was, you know, two, three years ago. Just a lot more emotional charge, a lot more big feelings that would last longer. Lasting longer is a big one. Yeah, it doesn’t mean that – You hang on to things. Yeah, there’s still charge, there’s still, you know, our kids bicker.
but it dissipates much faster. There’s much more regulation. So imagine all the time, babe, I think about how you add up those hours where the body is in dysregulation and heart coherence means higher health. It means more vitality. It means higher immunity. It means many things, which I will also get into in my next adult book. But it also means, you know, if we’re in dysregulation.
It means we’re not enjoying life. Life is just going by. We’re wasting these precious moments where instead we could connect and go deep with each other and find these like really fulfilling moments instead of just wandering them. Yeah. Also when you get dysregulated, even if you bounce back, that has an impact that is fairly enduring, right? It doesn’t, it doesn’t mean that you get dysregulated. You come back, even though we come back more quickly, the goal is to not.
become dysregulated and obviously we’re not, you know, we’re not monks, we’re all on a path here, but there is like a lot of science behind, you know, the enduring nature of that dysregulation even when you become regulated again. Well, yes, and research that was published from the HeartMath Institute shows that five minutes of anger. And this was actually not even just what they did in the study was they had someone recall,
something that made them angry. So it wasn’t even live anger, but just recalling anger for five minutes had a measurable impact on their immunity. They measured IGA, which was a biomarker for immunity. It was lowered for six hours, just five minutes of recalling anger. So imagine if you actually get angry. And what the research also shows is going into two minutes of irritation.
Kimberly Snyder (09:13.358)
puts into motion 1500 different biochemical processes in your body, which ultimately drain energy. So it’s not that we want to avoid, you know, ever feeling these big feelings as Chilla is teaching Lanky in the book. It’s that we want to find this anchor, which again is the heart and teach kids early how to do this and learn this as adults if we didn’t learn this and just allow the sensations, don’t resist them, just let them come through.
Because if you do that, they don’t get stored. It doesn’t keep the anger going, as you’re saying, and keep draining our energy and keep the thoughts in a dysregulated place. So when we are dysregulated, the perspective of life is changed. We don’t think happy thoughts. We can really stay angry at someone or resentful or be jealous or all these different emotions. Yeah. It’s a real blessing being able to do something that is foundational.
because I look at, you know, when I started this path, there was so much damage already done. Yeah. That had, you know, this is years of therapy and trying to become conscious and trying to catch myself when I’m in that and trying to learn this stuff as an adult. But if you grow up with this stuff, it will change the world. Yeah, it will change the world one heart at a time. And that’s what we call heart based living is getting more in touch with your heart. And so,
your day -to -day actions come from this place and your words come from this place and you start to shift your perspective. So what that means is we don’t have to teach our kids necessarily to be kind and to be compassionate. It’s connecting them to who they are. And deep down, we are naturally kind and compassionate when we’re not coming from the ego, from this place of competition and separation and my toy, I won’t share, right? These are natural things we learn.
You come into your heart and you teach this calmness. What naturally comes about is win -win solutions and unity and peace. And again, I just speak from personal experience in our family, starting with us becoming more coherent. Because what was told a little bit about the story of this was I was starting to go into a deep dive on the heart. That natural inspiration came. Do you remember, babe, in Hawaii, there was a period I think I sat for nine months.
Kimberly Snyder (11:36.878)
reading and rereading the Holy Science by Swami Sri Yukteswar. And he’s writing about the heart and these phases, these five stages of opening the heart. And then I started to take a deep dive into heart coherence. I contacted the Heart Math Institute and just started learning about, wow, incoherence means the heart and the brain aren’t communicating. And this corresponds spiritually all the way to heart -brain harmony, where we’re just acting in this oneness. There’s no excess thinking. We are the heart.
We are the oneness, right? We’re just coming from this really clear place, kind of like when Eckhart Tolle talks about the power of now, and the Dow talks about moving past thinking altogether. We’re just in this real presence, this power. And so it was around this time where Gary, who was an editor I worked with on Radical Beauty, the book with Deepak and other books, said, hey, do you want to write a children’s book with me? Because he had a part of his imprint, had a children’s imprint. And I said, yeah.
And then I said, how they do you want to write this? And they think us, you know, I just felt, I just feel like, you know, you’re so witty. I was good at rhyming. Well, I just knew like, just seeing how you play with our kids. And I thought it would be really fun project to do together. Just how creative your mind is with words and word play. And so we had some ideas in the beginning, but then it became so obvious to me, you know, just like how the adult heart, the.
the adult book, which is gonna be called The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts, it was about the heart. We need to teach this to children. This is what we have to teach. This is the most important message. And so Chilla Gorilla is based on you and Lanky Leroy is based on our older son, Emerson. Yeah, although I feel like, you know, I’m often a little bit of Lanky and I think you’re, you know, a little bit of Chilla, right? That’s right. Thank you for saying.
saying that. my gosh, it is true because sometimes we all go through these feelings and the gorilla is, you know, the wise old gorilla. But sometimes you are kind of this, we based on the great, you know, big strong dude and you have big feelings. I have them too, but I am now, I would say, you know, the calmer one and kind of talking us through and you have gotten infinitely calmer. You think, wait, so you think you’re calmer.
Kimberly Snyder (14:05.006)
day to day basis. I think I’m not saying that you’re not, but I think it’s up for debate. I don’t think it’s like your. my gosh. I would say for me, there’s little triggers and I’ll get a little tone and you’re very sensitive. You’ll be like, what’s happening, but you’ll get your voice will raise up and you are a bigger person. It’s a little bit more dramatic. Your emotional state, right? So.
but maybe more short -lived. Now? Yeah. You? Yeah. 100%. That’s what I mean. This power of the heart. And there’s this analogy that David Hawkins uses, which I love, and I think it’s in Power Versus Force, where he talks about sweeping the kitchen, right? And uses this analogy where you’re sweeping up, you’re sweeping up, you’re throwing out the dust, and sometimes you forget what was there, because after you throw it out, you move on.
And so I think it’s important to acknowledge, you know, when we got married and we, you know, we already had a child and then we were pregnant with another child and we bought a home and we moved up here to the mountains and COVID happened. There was a lot and we didn’t move in together until we got married. And so there was all these big emotions that came up. We had to face our trauma that we had never faced because we had never been so close to anyone except for each other. And the love was so strong.
that the heart really, and the power of learning that we are more than feelings, we are more than this identity, we are more than our trauma, we are more than our past, right? And so, man, this heart -based living has just radically changed everything. And that’s why I’m so passionate about sharing about this. And again, this Heart -Based Living Guide,
goes into a little bit more detail about the science around this, but in the end of the book. And those of you watching this on YouTube can see I’ll hold the book up. Or if you aren’t watching this, you’re listening to this, if you go to our Chilla page, which is mysalina .com slash Chilla Gorilla book, we give, and there’s a code in the back of the book, which goes to these heart aligned tracks. And I just want to say that these tools are teaching in the middle of life, in the middle of big feelings, when you shift to the heart.
Kimberly Snyder (16:31.438)
and you take a couple of deep breaths and then there’s more steps to it. But when you do these simple tools in three to 10 seconds, research published in the American Journal of Cardiology shows that alone creates changes in your nervous system. That alone changes your perception of the world so that you’re making that shift, but you come back into that situation with fresh eyes.
with more of this wider, more expansive perspective. Because we know the ego keeps it narrow. Like me, I’m the victim. You took that toy or I’m really frustrated. This isn’t fair. No one’s helping me. This is so hard. But the heart allows us to calm down and to expand. It’s also, I mean, even just talking about it right now, we’re talking about a children’s book, right? We’re talking about a children’s book. And here we’re talking about…
Swami Sri Yukteswar and Eckhart and the Heart Math Institute, you know, authentically connected to the truth of a book, which when you read the book is very simple. So it is a children’s book. I will also say though, I really believe this is for everyone.
I’ve had a lot of people comment on social media saying, I feel like I need this book. I will say any adult would benefit from this book, but certainly families, because a lot of us, I don’t think I’m making a generalization here. A lot of us weren’t taught about really effective tools for dealing with big feelings as children. I think a lot of us were taught to, it’s okay to feel for a second, but come back, be calm, just like telling the mind these things. Or sometimes like many of us push it down, like put on a happy face.
which is inauthentic because those emotions and those feelings are there, right? So we can learn as you and I have alongside our children. Like I said, it is never too late to start this heart -based journey. Now, what the book also teaches at the end. So there’s this mantra and there’s these tools throughout and Sheila is teaching Lanky, you’re going through frustration or being bullied a bit, getting pushed in front of line. One of the funky monkeys goes down the water slide first at the waterfall.
Kimberly Snyder (18:46.318)
These are on the spot techniques, which are evidence -based, as you mentioned. There’s incredible research around them. They’re incredibly simple. They’re incredibly effective. Then at the end, we teach a kids -friendly version of the heart -aligned meditation. And this was a meditation, this is a technique that I took parts of heart math research, and even some parts from Yogananda’s techniques of ancient Vedic, yogic science combined them. And we did a formal study with the Heart Math Institute.
We did it in LA with 30 participants and we used their really sensitive -Wave Pro equipment and we measured the participants at the beginning and at the end of four weeks of doing this less than eight minute meditation, four to five times a week. And we found a 29, an average of a 29 % increase in coherence. And coherence means syncing up of heart, brain, nervous system. What does that mean in everyday life? Calmer, peaceful thoughts, more focus, more clarity.
higher emotional intelligence, greater physical health. Because when our systems are synced up, everything is more efficient. From our hormonal balance to our cognitive functioning to our digestion, our immunity, our inflammation is down, there are biomarkers for all of this. So it means we are not a house divided, everything is functioning. So, Chilla Gorilla, as you mentioned, it’s a children’s book, yes, but these tools are so powerful, they’re evidence -based.
And this is where I love when science comes together with what we know intuitively and energetically and spiritually. The heart has been the center of all spiritual traditions since the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Egyptians. We see it in the sacred heart of Jesus Christ and the heart Sutra of Buddhism and the Anahata chakra of Hinduism and yoga. And it’s mentioned in the Torah. Lev, the word for heart, it’s mentioned in the Koran. Kalb, the word for heart.
So this is this universality of this power inside of us, which has been buried in recent times. We’ve become very heady all about the brain, neuroscience. I’m not saying the brain isn’t important, but the brain and the heart can work together. And that’s where the real power turns on. Yeah. And the heart is actually giving the brain more information than the brain is giving the heart. Where did you learn that from? I listened. I went to the Heart Math Institute.
Kimberly Snyder (21:10.766)
and I paid attention and I just had no idea that there was any neurons in the heart. That’s just not a thing that you’re taught. Well, again, this is, I just think sometimes to myself, listen, I don’t regret anything. We talk about this a lot together. No regrets, right? Because I think that we’re constantly learning and we’re growing and I’m actually grateful.
for all my experiences, even the really challenging ones, having challenging moments of feeling alone, going through eating disorders, finding all these ways, because they all connected me, they kind of pushed me back into myself. But where I am now, I say, if I knew about this, these are tools as a child, the way that we are teaching our children. How amazing, one heart at a time, because what happens is it’ll create more common peace and.
fulfillment and unity in the family, just like it has in our family, 1000%. And then that starts to create a different energy when your kids are at school, when they’re at their sporting events, when you are at work, right? This is for the adults and everyone. And then together, this is a heart -based movement. I’m so passionate. I think this is how we’re going to change the world. It’s not going to come through the ego. We know there’s so much separation and there’s so many groups and factions and divisions and this is better than this, right, wrong.
The only thing that’s gonna have the power to move us forward is the heart. And it’s gonna be one heart at a time. It’s not just this general vague like, hey, everyone together. It comes from each of us experiencing this shift. Yeah. I was just gonna say that everybody knows what it’s like to be dysregulated and to make reactive decisions when you are dysregulated. And everybody knows. So much mess to clean up. That doesn’t end well, almost ever.
You know, I can’t recall one time where I’ve made a reactive, dysregulated decision and that was the right decision. You know, that’s kind of where you make the mistakes. And to be able to have that self -control and that ability and be able to actually digest things appropriately and feel them appropriately and then, you know, make those decisions when you’re supposed to make them is, you know, is life -changing. It’s life -changing. And let’s talk about that for a minute.
Kimberly Snyder (23:34.19)
When, as children or adults, we say reactive things, we say harsh things, we say mean things, we take actions that we are not proud of. Let’s say your child is going on and you’ve been, you know, huge tantrum, you’ve been trying to calm them down, they haven’t listened to you, and you raise your voice, or you swear, or you do something, you feel incredibly guilty as a parent. As a child, if they feel like they’ve misbehaved, they can feel guilt and shame as well. So,
We should not be made to feel guilt and shame because we say to ourselves, I should be better. I should be this perfect parent. I should never lose my temper. It’s so hard, again, to just try to calm yourself from the thoughts. And I know because we’ve gotten frustrated. And we still do. With each other. We still do. Yes, and there’s times where I’m just like, you never listen. Whatever we say, I will say this.
The power, we’re talking about this power. It’s not, you don’t have enough willpower or you’re a bad person, you’re not calm enough. Again, it’s going to the place where there is the issue, which is the ego mind, which creates the erratic emotions, the circular thoughts, I’m the victim here, no one’s helping me, this is wrong, I shouldn’t be treated this way, right? We’re going there and we’re trying to say to the mind, calm down, be good, behave this way. It’s just so infinitely harder and limited.
in its capacity. When we go to the intelligence of the heart and the wisdom of the heart, which is measured again through the power of heart coherence, there’s an electromagnetic field around the heart that is 100 times stronger than the brain. There is just this power in the heart that can see things wider. It can see win -win solutions. It actually creates more common sense and, this is the path forward.
The heart is not the source of the erratic emotions. That’s actually the ego. Sometimes people think, I followed my heart and it screwed me up or, you know, the sentimental heart. my heart is soft. No, actually, when we’re talking about real heart coherence, this wisdom is calm and it’s incredibly intelligent and it finds ways of seeing things that the mind alone could never see. And so, as I mentioned, what we’re doing in the book, this is a tool.
Kimberly Snyder (25:59.566)
that you can, you know, reading this book with your child in the evening is so important because we can’t really control everything as parents. Like I said, you can’t control some of the language or behavior they may be exposed to at school or every single thing they see in technology or media or whatever, but we can control this really sacred space before bedtime. And this is where the nervous system resets before bed. So as you read this book,
to your child and it’s going into the tools and as part of the meditation in the end when Lanky, who by the way is wearing this dinosaur costume that was actually drawn after ease, actual pajama suit, you’re teaching the child to focus on your heart. You’re making shifts in their nervous system. You’re doing it with your child. I’m calm. I’m peace. You’re doing, you’re connecting them to that place inside of them. You’re actually resetting them and you’re rewiring. There’s,
neuroplasticity doesn’t just refer to the neurons in your brain. It refers to this coherence we’re talking about because there’s neurons in the heart and there’s pathways between the heart and the brain. So just by reading this book to your child in the evenings, you’re helping to reset them and that alone will make a huge difference. Yes. So along with the book, as I mentioned, there’s a QR code and there are tracks and I did a couple of tracks with EE, our son.
And some of the tracks I’m gonna do myself and one of them is going to be for bedtime. So you can read the book, you can listen to that track. It’s only gonna be about four minutes to help your child re -regulate and to find once again that place of peace inside of them, that place of calm, that place of connection. Because disconnection in the world today is when we see an adults having anxiety, depression, and children, depression, not knowing what to eat, not knowing what diet to follow, not knowing how to take care of themselves, not even knowing when they’re hungry.
Not knowing what relationship to be in, not knowing what career path to take. Connection is everything. It is everything. And so heart coherence, telling them this wisdom and this place, intuition is inside of you. Don’t just listen to your friends, just go along the path of peer pressure. I think his parents were all scared, or child is gonna do bad things that their friends are doing. The more you connect your child to this,
Kimberly Snyder (28:19.63)
this incredible power inside of them, the more resilient they are and the more they make the best decisions for themselves. Yeah. I think you touched on something interesting when you, when you mentioned before that sometimes people follow their hearts, but really they’re following their ego and they’re just saying that they’re following the ego. The ego is tricky, you know, and when you are really in touch with your heart and with your feelings, you’re aware of when you’re
listening to your ego when your ego’s getting involved much more often than, you know, if you are not. Over time, it becomes easier to listen to the difference. And that’s what this, what these tools teach you because the heart’s messages are calm and steady. It’s almost like this. When I take people through the heart aligned meditation and our son describes it like this,
tinglyness, like it’s this real connection, literally the neurons and the pathways and your nervous system is shifting. And there’s this feeling of expansiveness. You’ll notice that when you are an ego, there’s a tightness, a constriction, like this is my way. And the thoughts start to get really fast and the breath gets fast and everything just feels tighter. And those are signs that yes, you’re coming from the mind, we’re getting overly heady here. And so again, it’s not that the brain isn’t important.
because we are using the brain, it’s just that the heart and the brain are communicating in this in sync way. And you see this on HRV patterns and graphs. And I’ll be publishing some of these really incredible graphs actually in the next adult book as well, this research that was published in major journals like the American Journal of Cardiology, for instance, and others, where you see when we are in anger, there’s this erratic pattern.
And so the breath and everything gets out of sync and circulation slows down and is pulled out of the blood flow is pulled out of your GI tract and all sorts of things are happening on a biochemical level. And then we feel that erratic, that those graphs are how we feel. But when we go into the heart -based emotions, which is what the heart aligned meditation teaches, and the easiest one to access is appreciation, which is a mixture of gratitude and awe and approval.
Kimberly Snyder (30:38.638)
It changes the sine waves of the HRV pattern becomes smooth. It becomes regulated. It becomes slower. This means again, our perception shifts, our thoughts change, our life changes. You come back in that moment. We’ve seen it with our children as we teach them. And our older son has said some amazing things like, Eggy, that’s a name we have for our younger son. You can have this toy. It’s okay. Things that…
You know, I’m just like, my gosh, as a mother, music to my ears instead of this. And I teach him, what’s that gripping feeling, that tightness? Are you aware of that? And then I say, you know, shift into the heart and take some breaths. And I really notice that it creates that loosening, which means wider, which means, it’s not just me. Ego is like me, me, mine, mine. Heart says,
all of us, it’s unifying, it’s this oneness, it’s this energy of expansion, it’s saying this natural compassion grows, this empathy, like, you matter just as much as me, we’re all equal here, right? And so these ways of teaching this to the children, and I’ve read, you know, we’ve had parenting experts on here and there’s parenting books and there’s many different philosophies and I’ve tried different things. And I’ve said, for me, my experience, nothing has felt
quicker and more effective and it cuts through all the talking and all of it’s very simple. Go right to the heart, turn that power of the heart on and you change everything. Amen, mama. Yeah. And I’ll say as well, just sharing a little bit about the process of Chilla and I’m holding it up where you guys can check it out for yourselves online now. We will link to it in the show notes. It was really fun working in the illustrations.
Yeah, because we’ve never done a children’s book before. We got to pick. We got to pick the illustrator Donald Wu out of like 60 illustrators. We were just really called to his work. There is the Hawaiian shirt that Sheila is wearing throughout is based on your actual Hawaiian shirt. Yeah. And then I just want to point out this picture on page 13. You guys are seeing this or you’ll see it in your own copy of the book. There is a female.
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gorilla in the corner with a bow holding a baby. And that is representative of me. Potentially recurring character. Yes. So a little fun fact. We have some little fun secrets or, you know, family things hidden inside of these pictures. I also thought that the, the writing process with you was very fun. It was so fun. It flowed really well and we didn’t stay, we didn’t write in the same room.
you would do a draft, then I would do a draft and you would do a draft and we just bounced it back and forth to each other. And, well, once we do the ears of the heart, and then the mantra was one that I think I came up with, you know, feelings come and feelings go inside is a place, is a calm place where peace and love can grow. And then you were like,
Wait, what if they’re at a water slide and someone goes in the jungle and the water slide was the waterfall? Because we do a lot of waterfall hikes in Hawaii. And it was just like, yeah, yeah. And then what if this happens? And then when seeing he’s looking for a piece of like something he can’t reach and we have this giant mango tree in Hawaii, we’re like, yeah, it could be a mango because our family loves mango. They’re delicious. So it really unfolded and it was super fun. And maybe we’ll do another one.
It would be amazing and just so passionate. Thank you, baby, for being here, for sharing, for sharing the book. So passionate about this message. And again, I feel as a human, as a parent, there’s a real urgency for all of us to connect back to the hearts, for this power, this love, this unity, this compassion, this peace to turn on in the most, I believe, effective way.
and that will change the family life and it will change society going forward. So thank you so much for tuning in. Once again, the book is called Chilla Gorilla and Linking Lemur Journey to the Heart is available now wherever books are sold. If you get your copy in the next few days, you will also have access to the amazing pre -order offerings, including our ebook on heart -based living and a ticket to our online free.
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a live conference that we’re gonna have on the Heart Align, which is gonna be on June 10th, and also a chance to win a one -on -one session with me. So all the information is going to be at mysaloon .com slash chilla gorilla book. You can upload your receipt and have all of those offerings right there. So thank you again so much, my love. Thank you, Pratt and Me.
And thank you so much for tuning in. We’ll be back here Thursday as always for our next Q &A. Till then, take care and sending you much love.
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