What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person [Episode #560]
This week’s topic is: What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person
Often our lives can be seen as truly meaningful in the context of the collective and in serving others and being empathetic is a way of serving others. It’s about tuning in and holding space for another person and making them feel heard and seen. And that’s a beautiful gift to give to somebody else.
We talk about connection a lot here in our community, and it really starts with self connection. This is what our Four Cornerstones are about. We start to connect and then we also start to understand what our body needs beyond food, how to move, how to elevate our sleep, our rest and self-care.
The purpose of the Four Cornerstones is really about establishing this deeper connection with yourself. This, in turn, creates optimal wellness, optimal health, energy, beauty in the true sense of beauty and true radiance that pours out of you from the inside out.
Once we work on connecting with ourselves the next step is to explore how we connect more deeply with other people and relationships around us. When we start to put some focus on creating stronger connections and holding space for other people, we find that it goes both ways. We start to connect more with ourselves and with others and we feel what I would define as true success, which is being connected to your true self and your heart and living from that place.
Have you been wondering about this very topic? If you want to know the answer to this question and 3 more sent in by Beauties just like you, listen now to find out!
I seem to have a difficult time being a good listener. Do you have any experience with knowing how to “hold space” without interrupting?
Kirsten – New Hampshire
I try to put myself in my husband’s shoes when it comes to issues he’s facing at work but most of the time he just tells me I don’t understand. It really bothers me when he says this. I really am trying. Are there definitive signs that show when I’m trying to be empathetic?
Karen – South Carolina
Would you say being empathetic is a two-way street and can it enhance the relationship? I have this friend who seems to take, take, take and I’m beginning to wonder if it’s possible for our friendship to grow if she’s always the taker?
Catherine – Germany
How can I stay in my happy place when I open myself up to others who are going through a difficult time?
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Kimberly: Hi Beauties and welcome back to our Thursday, Q&A podcast where our topic today is What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person. This is a huge topic you guys, I’m so excited to talk about this. First of all, we talk about connection a lot here in our community, because the more that I go on, the more I realize that connection is at the heart of living a life that feels meaningful and fulfilling. And connection is about feeling that we are anchored into the whole. And there’s really, not much more than that, that makes us feel complete and whole and connected. There’s that word again, but we just feel joyful from that. And we feel a great deal of peace. And like I said, we feel meaningful.
Kimberly: Often our lives can be seen as truly meaningful in the context of the collective and in serving others and being empathetic is a way of serving others, I think. Because it’s about tuning in and holding space for another person and being there for them and making them feel heard and seen. And that’s a beautiful gift to give to somebody else. We talk about connection a lot here in our community, and it really starts with self connection. So that’s what our four cornerstones are about. We start to connect, we start to intuit, which intuition is again, our topic this month and our Solluna circle on our app. If you want to check it out and join us, please do so, the app is free. And then there’s a little membership section that you can read about if you’re inclined to go further, but we start to intuit what foods our body needs. And then we also start to intuit what our body needs beyond food, how to move, how to elevate our sleep and our rest and self-care.
Kimberly: And emotionally, we start to connect in and process our feelings in a healthy way. We process stressors and little triggers, and we start to just feel lighter and lighter. And then we start to connect with ourselves spiritually, which is really the deep, deep, unique essence inside of each and every single one of us. And that is the place where our deepest place of connection, where we connect to our true selves, which is so, so far beyond appearance and ego and the surface things that we usually fixate on. There is a deeper, deeper place to go and to connect to. And so the purpose of the four cornerstones is really about establishing this deeper connection with yourself, which does create optimal wellness, optimal health, energy, beauty in the true sense of beauty, true radiance that just pours out of you from the inside out.
Kimberly: And just again, deep feelings of groundedness and calmness and contentedness. So once we work on connecting with ourselves, and this is a ongoing lifelong process, the natural next step is to explore how we connect more deeply with other people and the relationships and the people around us of course are a huge, huge, huge part of our lives. And when we start to put some focus on creating stronger connections and holding space for other people, we find that it goes both ways. We start to connect more with ourselves, it helps and we connect more with others and we feel what I would define as successful, true success.
Kimberly: I define success, by the way, this was asked of me in a recent interview. And I thought about it. I get asked this periodically and we think, “Oh, which part of success are you talking about? You’re talking about my work or my personal life?” And the more I go along I just think everything is so interconnected that it’s ultimately one thing, different facets of one thing. So success to me is being connected to your true self and your heart and living from that place. So in that way, if you can be in your heart and connect to yourself and be in your heart and connect to others, I.E. empathy, you are really living a beautiful existence, independent of how much money you make or how big your house is, or how many designer purses you have, or how many followers you have on TikTok or whatever it is. Those things are fun. And they can be nice to have for sure, but the things that really matter start to grow, and you’ll start to feel so much more peace and joy in your life.
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Question #1 around the topic of:What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person: I seem to have a difficult time being a good listener. Do you have any experience with knowing how to hold space without interrupting?
Kimberly: All right, so let’s get into our questions today. Otherwise, I could just keep on talking and this would turn into a solo cast, which I do not want because there are wonderful, wonderful questions I see here that I’m looking at for the first time from our beautiful community. The first comes from Taylor who lives in Louisiana, and she writes, “I seem to have a difficult time being a good listener. Do you have any experience with knowing how to hold space without interrupting?” Taylor I think this is a wonderful question. Thank you so much for writing in, for being part of our community. I send you so much love out there to Louisiana. I’ll say there’s a couple things here. Often when we have a difficult time being a good listener, and it’s because I’ve experienced some of this myself. It’s because we ourselves have not felt that we’ve been listened to or that we’ve been fully seen. And when we feel this urge to interrupt, it means there’s this almost urgency, this feeling burbling that we want to express ourselves.
Kimberly: Otherwise, people may lose that train of thought. People may not see you. They may not see this smart thing you are going to say. It’s very linked. So a couple things, first of all, on the surface, not on the surface, but the first practical thing I would say is just to really, first of all, commit to notice that you’re interrupting here, Taylor. So I would just commit to not interrupting people. And this is something that I’ve done as well. I’ve committed to not interrupting or at least not interrupting as much. For me, I definitely feel that urgency sometimes where I want to say what I’m going to say, or I had this thought, but it does mean that we’re not really listening. It does mean that we are in our own heads. However, if we notice that we do interrupt, just say to yourself, commit to yourself, I’m going to notice that feeling coming up that urgency. I’m just going to take some deep breaths. I’m going to let that person finish his or her sentence. And then there’s plenty of space. There’s plenty of time for me to weigh it. And that’s okay.
Kimberly: So I would just very practically make that decision and notice the feeling that comes in your body when you’re about to interrupt like your breath may get faster, or you may start twirling your hair or tapping your foot just in patient, starts building. And just remind yourself that everybody is equal. Everybody has an equal time to speak. We’re not exactly equal to not the length of time, rather, but actually to be heard in a conversation, both people need to talk. Let’s just remind yourself simply of that and then breathe and then wait, speak when that person’s done. But secondly, what’s really helped me tailor it because as I’ve shared with you guys before a deep wound that I have from my childhood, again, nothing to do with tearing down or criticizing our parents or our caregivers, everybody is doing their best. And often they pass on similar wounds, but for whatever reason, in my childhood with parents, teachers, whatever, there was this ongoing story that I built up within myself that I wasn’t seen. And I wasn’t heard.
Kimberly: And because of that into adulthood. I did notice that I would interrupt. I did notice that I was speaking more than listening and what’s really helped me get past it is the underneath feeling of being seen and being heard is able to be healed with our spiritual practice. Because what happens as a child is things happen. Events happen. We are dealt with in a certain way, whatever it is. And we create these beliefs like, “Oh, I guess I’m not worthy of being seen. I don’t feel like I’m not seeing in the way I want to be seen.” And so we start to build up different survival tools, coping mechanisms. And again, that was a belief that I had, I’m not seen or heard. So then you over project and you start to interrupt and you start to be more of a talker than a listener, but what’s really helped me in the spiritual practice is to dive deep into myself and to meditate.
Kimberly: And you start to connect with a formless part of you with the soul inside of you. And she is completely seen and completely heard as she is because she is a creation of spirit. She is who she is period. When you connect to that place, you realize that you don’t have to seek it so desperately or at all, but really let’s focus on baby steps her progresses. You don’t need to seek it desperately from other people because people are living their lives. People are in their own reality. Each of us is in our own reality and people are going through life. And it’s really powerful when you realize that you don’t need to get any of your needs met.
Kimberly: You don’t need to need me need, like that strong I must have this from other people. Yes, it’s beautiful to share life. Yes, of course, we choose to have our loved ones around, but you don’t need to get anything from them. You can enjoy being around them without that desperate needing. So if you’re not being a good listener, there’s something that is saying I need to speak. I need to be heard. And again, that starts to be softened and quelled. The more we introspect, the more we just notice, like I was saying, and the more we nurture ourselves nourish ourselves spiritually. So we connect to that deeper place and we realize, “Oh, I’m good. I am this light. I feel elevated from connecting to that.” Which happens the more and more you progress in your meditation practice.
Kimberly: And again, all that you need is really inside of yourself. And the more you tune in the more that starts to become so strikingly clear that it builds and it builds. And I really look forward to my meditation practice. It feels like I’m drinking from this cup of ever flowing, infinite, joy and energy and peace. And it really starts to come more and more and more so that you just start to relax more in your daily life. You might be in a conversation with somebody and it’s not so serious. You’re not trying to prove anything to that other person. You’re not trying to get them to see how smart you are or all that you’ve done and show that you’re worthy of that attention. You can just be and be there for them.
Kimberly: So give that a little whirl Taylor, see what you think. Sit with that for a bit. And of course we have so much meditation support over on the Solluna app over on our website, which is mysolluna.com. And the more you dial into yourself and connect in, as I was stating earlier, you find that it’s easier to serve and to give to others, and you can enjoy being with them. And of course you get love from them to. The love from them, lights up the love inside you. You don’t get love from anybody it’s really inside of you, but it’s triggered. It’s turned on so to speak, it’s elevated. It can be from others as well. So it’s really powerful when you realize that I can be there more for others and I don’t need as much from them. And that’s the natural process of what happens with deep, deep connection and increasing meditation. So thank you my love and let me know how you do.
Question #2 around the topic of:What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person: I try to put myself in my husband’s shoes when it comes to issues he’s facing at work. But most of the time, he just tells me that I don’t understand. It really bothers me when he says this. I really am trying. Are there definite signs that show that when I’m trying to be empathetic.
Kimberly: Okay. The next question comes from Kirsten and she lives in New Hampshire and she writes, “I try to put myself in my husband’s shoes when it comes to issues he’s facing at work. But most of the time, he just tells me that I don’t understand. It really bothers me when he says this. I really am trying. Are there definite signs that show that when I’m trying to be empathetic.” So I love this question Kirsten, and I send you a big virtual warm hug out there to New Hampshire where I hope spring is just coming around the corner. And couple of things here. When we start to embody connection, we’re living it, it’s just our way of being. What happens is you embody empathy. You just emanate it, you are it, so I hear what you’re saying when you say, “Okay, I’m trying to be empathetic.” And it’s just this a little bit of figuring it out, which I think is really, really natural.
Kimberly: And I love that you’re working on putting yourself in your husband’s shoes. You’re working on looking at it from his perspective and relationships are tricky. I’m not sure obviously the perspective that your husband’s coming from, he’s not asking the question here. So we don’t know what your guys’ conversation is like, but I feel like sometimes, and I know this with my husband, he’ll say things, but there’s something underneath what he’s saying, if that makes sense. So it may be this issue. And sometimes what I’ve found works for us is if I say to him, “Hey, what’s really bothering you? Or what do you really need?” Because sometimes he just needs a little snuggle or cuddle. Sometimes he does want my opinion about a specific business question or something that he’s going on personally. But sometimes he just wants me to be there. And sometimes it’s difficult for men I find to really express they’re full needs, feelings too, but also some of their needs.
Kimberly: And so sometimes, if he’s saying, I don’t understand, it could really be that he’s not expressing himself. So it’s hard for you to discern his needs. And I would ask him, when he’s talking about what he’s talking about with work, to really listen with your heart, to be present, to not interject, to not interrupt, but to let him have that space held for him where you are present and you are stable and you’re truly, truly showing up for your husband. And I think if we bring full presence to the situation, and again, we don’t try to give advice right away if maybe that’s not what he’s looking for. So you sit back and you really are present.
Kimberly: And then secondly, I think that again, asking questions instead of saying actually this was the problem and you should have done it this way or try this, which can feel directive. And I know, I don’t like to be told what to do sometimes. I definitely want to just be heard and listened to from my partner or from a friend. So it’s important to first just be, hold the space and be. He’ll vent or he’ll tell his story. And then again, you can ask questions or you can see what do you need from me right now? The empathy part is leaning into his feelings, which don’t come from his words, but it comes more from his tone and the vibration of his voice. You can say something like, “It sounds like that must’ve been really frustrating. How can I support you in this?” Or, “Ouch. That would’ve bothered me. That probably would have bothered anyone. What can I do, babe? What can I do about that?”
Kimberly: So the last part of your question was signs that show that you’re trying to be empathetic. I think people can feel presence. They can feel when you’re deeply listening versus partly listening and partly thinking about what you’re going to say next. So just try to clear your head and be showing up for this human as your experience in that moment with full intention. So I think some of the signs are you’re starting to not think about what you’re going to say, but you’re leaning in and you’re starting to tune in to their feelings and to their emotions, which may or may not be expressed with the words you’re using, but you can start to feel, and then the signs come when, for me, some things are [inaudible], like sounds because we can try to get their perspective as much as possible, but of course we are not going into their bodies for that full experience, but without taking it on, we can just start to intuit their deepest feelings.
Kimberly: And I think that’s when we start to cross into real empathy when we’re just fully, fully feeling and being there for another human it’s a really beautiful thing. And there’s also a book that just came to my mind while I was answering that question that I want to recommend to you guys, if you’re interested in a deeper, better, I don’t like the word better, but let’s say a more effective way to communicate with your partner and other people. It’s called Nonviolent Communication. I believe that I’ve talked about it on the podcast before, and it’s a wonderful book, actually Deepak Chopra gave it to me and I read it a couple of years ago. And sometimes I go back to it. It’s not a long book and it’s a process that you learn and it’s really beautiful. And it’s based in empathy.
Kimberly: And the author of the book is Marshall Rosenberg. So you can look it up and check it out for yourself. But this book in particular provides some really tangible tips about this exact situation, Kirsten about in your heart, you’re asking this question because you want to be empathetic. You want to be there for your husband, but you want some more specific tools about doing it. So besides my tips and ideas here, I definitely recommend reading that book and seeing if some of that information resonates with you, which hopefully it will. So thank you so much love for your question. Best of luck. Most send you so much love to you and the hubby both and keep in touch with us. So grateful you’re part of our community.
All right, my loves. We’re going to take a short break. And when we get back, we have two more questions for you guys on this topic. What is empathy and how to be a more empathetic person?
Question #3 around the topic of:What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person: Would you say being empathetic is a two-way street and can it enhance the relationship? I have this friend who seems to take, take, take, and I’m beginning to wonder if it’s possible for our friendship to grow if she’s always the taker.
Kimberly: All right, my loves, we are back from the break. We have two more questions for you guys. The first one comes from Karen and she lives in South Carolina and she writes, “Would you say being empathetic is a two-way street and can it enhance the relationship? I have this friend who seems to take, take, take, and I’m beginning to wonder if it’s possible for our friendship to grow if she’s always the taker.” Karen, I love this question my love, thank you for bringing this up. So far we talked about where we’re trying to give empathy and to give more to others in a loving, connected way. But this is the flip side. Let’s say you are already extremely empathetic. You are tuned in. You love to give naturally. And what happens sometimes is that can attract what I call energy vampires and people that can sense that and love that and want to be around that.
Kimberly: But unfortunately, if there aren’t healthy boundaries put up, it can start to feel like a drain. And it’s definitely not a healthy relationship anymore. And so we evolve and we’re constantly growing as humans. And especially those of you beauties that are in our community. You’re here. I know we have attracted each other in because you’re on this path of accelerated self evolvement and growth, because that’s all we talk about here. So as we grow, just like the way that you grow and especially certain growth spurt periods, you start to need different clothes that fit you better. Maybe this sounds like a little bit of a harsh analogy, but I say this with love, and there’s no malice here at all. As we grow and evolve, frequencies, shift and change, and maybe a friend that you were very close to at a certain point, doesn’t really match where you are and your journey anymore and your life.
Kimberly: You just have different frequencies and it doesn’t mean anything about that person or you, it just means I think I’m drawn more to spending time with other people or just I don’t feel so elevated when I leave this person’s presence. These are all signs that it’s not, unless that person starts to shift and focus on self growth and being a better listener and be more empathetic themselves, then it’s probably not going to feel like a very meaningful relationship that’s evolving and growing. It may start to feel stagnant and it starts to feel like a drain. And Karen, you definitely deserve to feel supported and listened to. And there’s this flow of give and take in your friendships because we’re equal. We deserve that. And there are times we all go through hard times where you want to show up for your friends and family. You want to be there and vice versa.
Kimberly: But if it’s all the time, all the time in everyday life and everyday conversations, just take, take, take, take, take. No, I don’t think that’s a healthy relationship. And I definitely don’t think that’s a… I just don’t think that’s a friendship that has the roots to grow into something really, really long-term. It may. But again, I do think people grow at different rates and sometimes we have lifelong friends and we’re growing in different ways, but we’re still feel really connected sometimes I look back at some of my friends from college and high school and I love them. I keep in touch to different degrees in different extents, but now in my adult ness and my community space where I am now out here in LA, I’m just definitely drawn to connecting and hanging out with different people.
Kimberly: And I used to feel a lot of guilt about this. I used to think, “Oh gosh.” It was a loyalty thing. I was like, “I have to be loyal to these friends. I’ve been friends with them for so long.” But then you realize, this doesn’t mean anything. It doesn’t mean I’m throwing this person in the garbage. It doesn’t mean that they’re a bad person. I’m saying I’m a good person. It just means that we’re drawn to different things and you can still be friends. Maybe just choose not to spend as much time with them and not put as much energy into the relationship.
Kimberly: So I’ll leave it at that. Think about what feels good to you. Notice how you feel when you leave certain people when you’re around certain people versus others, and really pay attention to that and use your intuition to draw yourself, to put yourself in situations where you’re around, people who uplift you and inspire you and you feel there is this mutual give take, because those are the relationships that are going to sustain you and nourish you and elevate your life and help you feel that you are being supported in your highest potential versus being drained. So thank you my love sending you a big hug out there in South Carolina.
Question #4 around the topic of:What is Empathy and How to Be a More Empathetic Person:How can I stay in my happy place when I open myself up to others who are going through a difficult time?
Kimberly: Okay. Last question comes from Catherine, who lives in Germany and she writes, “How can I stay in my happy place when I open myself up to others who are going through a difficult time?” This is a really good question. And I used to wonder the same thing about myself. So sometimes I think that we worry if I fully open up, I don’t want to take on this energy or this stuff I don’t want to take on this depression, or I don’t want to take on this problem or this anxiety or whatever it is. And what I realize is that, again, this goes back to the self-connection. This goes back to our cornerstones. When we’re really stable, we can really show up for other people because we’re meeting our own needs. And then we are in a stable place. We put up healthy boundaries and we can listen and we can be empathetic and we can lean in and we can just show up for people’s feelings and allow them to be there and go through what they’re going through.
Kimberly: But we’re also in such a stable place that we don’t take on. And it’s something that happens naturally, I think over time, because like I said, I used to worry what if I just start manifesting what this person is going through, because I’m in it so much around them. This friend’s talking to me about it so much. Or I don’t want this somehow to absorb into me or take my energy down or whatever it is. And it doesn’t have to be that way. We literally nourish ourself with our cornerstones. Again, food, body, emotional wellbeing and spiritual growth. So it’s important that we are doing that work for ourselves, that we are processing our feelings and we’re meditating and connecting and we’re nourishing our body with proper foods. We’re exercising, sleeping, taking the right supplements, all those different aspects for our body.
Kimberly: And when we do that, we realize that, “Oh, I’m good. I feel good. I feel stable. I feel equanimity. I feel fulfilled. I feel grounded and I’m going to hold healthy boundaries for other people.” So those healthy boundaries could be the extent the times you answer texts back whatever the healthy boundaries are, but it means you can open up. You can listen, you can be there. You can be empathetic. You can tune into their feelings and not necessarily take them on. I think the classic definition of empathy is about understanding and feeling what another person is experiencing from their frame of reference. So again, when we’re stable and grounded, we realize, Oh, this is what this person is going through. I’m good. I’m zipped up so to speak.
Kimberly: Sometimes I feel that term is kind of funny, but it just means where we’re not leaking energy from our chakras, from our different energy centers, because we’re nourishing ourselves. So this goes back to what I said at the very beginning of the podcast, that connection is connection and connection with others is strengthened and fortified, including being able to hold healthy boundaries, which just makes the relationship feel there’s great respect that comes from healthy boundaries. So they’re so important, but all of that is fostered and strengthened with our own self connection, which is what the cornerstones are there to help us with. So we lean into them. We take the time to work on all four of them.
Kimberly: And usually there’s a weaker one for all of us. And sometimes it shifts and it changes. And I was talking to someone today and she was saying that her cornerstone, that she needs to work on probably moves around because sometimes she doesn’t eat well. And sometimes she gets off her meditation practice, whatever it is. So I think that’s a natural flow for all of us. Sometimes we think that emotional cornerstone, it’s a tough one for me. And maybe so now, but maybe in six months, it’s a different one. So anyways, we tune in, we stabilized, we nourish ourselves. And from that deep, deep heart-centered place, we are able to open up in a safe way. We’re able to open up in a way where we know that we do not have to take anything excess on. We can fully be there.
Kimberly: And then when we walk away, we leave their stuff there. Now, if you don’t feel fully stable yet, or even if you do, there is the cutting court’s practice that I do like to do because visualization is powerful and energy is energy. So if I’m walking out and I say, “Okay, I’m going to leave this with this person. I was there. I opened up, I gave as much as I could.” What I do is I… Man, I wish I wish I could show you guys this visually, but I take my hands in front of my belly and I slide them across. I’m literally cutting, I’m creating. You can do this many ways. You could actually take your two fingers like scissors and cut the cords. Or I like to do the slicing action. And I do it in front of my solar plexus. I do it in front of my belly and I do it behind my solar plexus and my back.
Kimberly: And I think energy attaches in different ways, but I have read and listened to some intuitive healers that often say that’s where people’s energy seems to grasp onto us is a lot around that belly center and our back or receiving the energy from them. So just imagine that you’re cutting energy cords, anything that was connected to that person. You’re just energetically letting it go. And you do this mentally, emotionally, physically with your hands you just say I love you. I bless you, but this is yours and I give it back now, and you leave it at that. And I found that really effective because it’s just a clear, I’m letting this go. And then that also helps me just be able to show up for people and open my heart, but know that at the end of that time, I returned back to my inner space, to my inner realm, and I have not been depleted at all. And I have just only connected further with another human that needed support. And you can feel really, really good about that.
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Kimberly: This is an amazing topic you guys, please keep these questions coming, all your questions coming. We start to get into this stuff I can just feel it in my heart. I can feel that we are all starting to open up more and it’s so beautiful to see. So thank you so much for being in our community. All of you listening, I love you so much. And it really does mean the world to me, to be able to connect with you. Before we sign off today, I want to leave you with my quote of the week. And when I heard this topic, I remember this quote from Paramahansa Yogananda, and it’s simple, but it’s really profound. He says, “The deeper you meditate, and the more willingly you surf, the happier you will be”.
Kimberly: So the first part is the deeper you meditate. This goes back to spiritual growth and spiritual connection. When we connect to that center to our soul, to our essence, to our spirit, we feel fulfilled and we feel nourished, which means you can be more empathetic with others. You can show up more for others and you can be more connected to others because you’re more connected to yourself. And the next part, the more willingly you serve, which is part of what empathy is. We are holding space for another. We’re being there for them in a difficult time or a time when they need to be heard and they need to be expressed. And the last part is the happier you will be. Then that’s the best part. The more we serve, the more we love, the more we give, the more we get back, the more joy that starts to build inside of us and more happiness we have.
Kimberly: It was really beautiful to see this full circle that is oneness, this full circle that comes from deep heart-centered connection. And it’s so good. It feels so good. It’s the most nourishing thing, and it will grow in your life just by paying more attention to it. So thank you so much my loves, I love you all. I will be back here Monday for our next interview podcast. We have a good one coming up for you on Monday this coming Monday. In the meantime, please come visit me over on social, my handle is at underscore Kimberly Snyder and of course on our Solluna app and our new Solluna website. So sending you so much love, I will be back here soon. Take great care of yourself. Big virtual hug.