The Connection Between Love and Purpose with My Husband Jon [Episode #635]

This week’s topic is: The Connection Between Love and Purpose with My Husband Jon

I want to focus on something that you don’t always hear put together. These two entities or two terms, which are love and purpose. And I want to share a bit more behind the scenes, and more personally about how the new book came to be, You Are More Than You Think You Are, because I don’t think that I would have written this book had I not been in this place of my own self awareness, self love, and self growth.

A big part of the leap forward and all of that came from our love. Now I don’t think it means that everybody has to find a partner necessarily, or that that’s a precursor to big growth. However, I can say in my personal experience, it really did help ground me in not just in my relationship with my husband Jon, but also in seeking deeper self connection and self-love. Our conversation today really focuses around the connection between love and purpose.

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About Jon Bier 

Jon Bier is the Founder and CEO of Jack Taylor PR and co-owner of Little Wolf Whiskey. He is an adjunct professor of Marketing at New York University and a non practicing attorney. He is the host of the One Day Podcast with Jon Bier. He lives in California and Hawaii with his wife Kimberly Snyder and two young sons.

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Kimberly: 00:00 Hi Beauties. And welcome back to our Monday interview podcast. I’m very excited to have my one and only amazing soulmate husband, Jon on here today, who is such an incredible man. I’m biased of course, but he is powerful. He’s strong. He is an amazing Papa to our two little boys. He owns a marketing company that’s focused on wellness. He is just a powerhouse in the world. And I love when we get to talk and share these conversations with you, which are really genuine. Um, this one comes from our porch in Hawaii, and I can’t wait to share with you. Um, my husband’s and our conversation today, really focusing around the connection between love and purpose.

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Kimberly: 00:00 Before we get into it, I want to give out, shout out to our fan of the week. Her name is roxannaurdaneta think I’m saying that writes. She writes insightful and life-changing, I’m so grateful for Kimberly’s podcast. She is so wise and insightful. This podcast has helped me so much in so many ways. Mainly it has helped me become more spiritual and maintain a meditation practice, which has been life-changing. Oh my gosh, roxannaurdaneta. My heart is warmed. I am so grateful for you for being part of our community for this amazing, amazing message. I thank you from the bottom of my heart and I send you a big virtual hug wherever you are. I’m so honored and again, so grateful for our connection.

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Interview with Jon Bier

Kimberly: 00:02 Yay, baby. I’m so glad that you are back on our podcast today. Thank you so much. You know, I, I feel like this is a really great place and time to be doing the podcast. You couldn’t get away from me. We are here in Hawaii and it is super still. And at night all we do is talk to each other anyways, and the kids. So perfect place to do a podcast tonight.

Jon: 00:24 I think so. And thank you for having me back. Um, I love being on your podcast.

What personally helped to ground me and seek a deeper self connection

Kimberly: 00:31 Well, they’ve, we, I love to share our conversations with our beautiful community. And today I wanted to focus on something that you don’t always hear put, be put together. These two entities, these two terms, which is love and purpose. And I want to share a bit more behind the scenes, but more personally about how the new book came to be. You will more than you think you are, because I’ve said to you many times, I don’t think that I would have written this, this book had I not been in this place of my own self awareness, self love, self growth, and, um, you know, a big part of that, a big part of the, um, the leap forward and all of that came from our love. So I don’t think it means that everybody has to find a partner necessarily, or that that’s, you know, a precursor to big growth, but I can say in my life, in my personal experience, um, it really did help ground me in not just our relationship love, but also in, in seeking deeper, um, self connection, like I said in self-love. Yeah.

Jon: 01:55 So you’re one of the very few people that I know. I think one of the very few people in the, in the world really where your work has always been your purpose, you know, most people have jobs, most people paying bills. Most people are, have like hobbies on the side and passions on the side, but their work is, you know, is utilitarian. It has a function for them, um, that is separate from their, their core purpose, but yours has always been met. And as you grow your purpose, you know, evolves and expands. And so what we’re talking about is connected to all of your other work, but it’s an evolution of it.

Kimberly: 02:41 So the, the, you know, the funny part about this book is that I initially, you know, when I started 10 years ago, now it’s been 10 years, six books. Since the first book came out, the beauty detox solution. I told this story on another podcast, I think it was Dr. Will Cole’s podcast, but I was backpacking around the world and, you know, a place that had great influence on me was India. And I didn’t really know what I was doing when I was backpacking. I was just, you could say, I was like trying to figure things out. I was trying to find myself, I was having experiences. I was running the term. My mom would say from reality, I didn’t really know what was going on, but I know that I was really open and just sort of, you know, going around the world and, and really, um, taking things in.

Kimberly: 03:38 And when I was in India, I really, for the first time got introduced to yoga and in meditation and not yoga the poses, but yoga, the yoga science. And I started reading the books of Paramatta Yoganonda, which I had found in a small bookshop in Russia cash. And I was starting to live the teachings. And one of the things that I really loved about Yogananda’s work was that it was so practical for daily life. It was about how you conduct yourself in business, how you choose a life partner, how you eat, how you are meant to connect to your energy, how you’re meant to manifest and do all these things. And so it was really exciting to me because I didn’t know that there was this whole philosophy about working with energy in a deeper way. So the funny thing is I was starting to apply the teachings and live the teachings.

Kimberly: 04:32 And then I got, got back to New York city, and I didn’t have any money. This part of the story I’ve told before, but I was, I would sit in the edge of my Murphy bed and I would start to really work with Yogananda’s teachings. And I started to see, and not that, you know, long a timeframe, I started to see different patterns coming into my life and started the free blog. And then all I told was my yoga students. I was teaching classes back then and going back to nutrition school, and it just started to really grow organically. So there was this, this flow coming in and then, you know, it grew, and then I got on TV shows. I started working with my first celebrity, and then I got my first book deal. But the reason this story is so significant is that, um, my first publisher was Harper Collins.

Kimberly: 05:21 My first editor was Sarah. And I remember the conversation like it was yesterday. I had a manuscript ready or a proposal for a manuscript called catching the fire. And it was about some of these teachings and it was part travel memoir part, you know, really showing what was exciting. And it made like to, you know, to your point, my purpose is always sharing what has been working for me. But then she looked at the website, the free blog at the time, which was Kimberly snyder.net back in the day. And she said, oh, what the, the recipe stuff and the food stuff is really taking off. So why don’t we do a food book first? And then we’ll do what you’re talking about. This teachings books second, then the first foot, the first book was the beauty detox solution, which just went on and on. And that did really well.

Kimberly: 06:10 So then the second book was the food book. So anyways, it’s funny because now, um, you know, we’ve come full circle where the sixth book is really, my playbook really is the teachings that I know can impact everybody on some level. And ideally, you know, my intention is across your whole life because it’s a whole way of reframing your life and looking at energy and looking at self connection. Um, but you know, back to our, what we said initially, like the connection between love and purpose, I think that, you know, we living our purpose, which we’ll get into in a moment and living our truth takes courage. It takes real strength. And if we’re, um, if we’re, you know, you and I talk a lot about the ego versus the true self, if we’re out here all the time, then it’s easy to get swayed or to get tricked into thinking we’re not good enough, or we should take the easy path or their predictable path, or the ways that we think people will like our stuff. But the more we go into that, well, you know what I talk about in the book that Teresa true south, what Yogananda talks about, there is so much strength that comes when you rely on that and not on the ego.

Jon: 07:34 Yeah. So I agree that, you know, like following your path takes courage because it’s often not the path that you think that, you know, the world tells you, you should be following. But I think even before that, I think what most people, myself included struggle with is what is your path?

Kimberly: 08:00 What is your purpose?

Jon and I talk about purpose and what this looks like to each of us

Jon: 08:01 Very clear purpose from the beginning and even those early books, you know, like it could have been this one, I think you did it in the right order. I think it, it, it is, you know, it’s become increasingly holistic and, um, and, uh, I think that’s right, but you knew you, you had that, that gift, that, that, that ability to say, no, this is what, you know, my purpose is in the world. Whereas most of us don’t know where to find that purpose that I love what I do. I’m passionate about what I do. Um, but to say, it’s my sole purpose would be a lie.

Kimberly: 08:41 Well, I get into this in great detail. As you know, in the book in two chapters, one is called you are a warrior. And if you remember that chapter, you’ve read the book a couple of times. Now, I think that, um, I think one of the, there are a lot of them that you do play a big part in the book. Um, I think there is this, um, mistaken belief that our purpose is our job or what we do in the world. And in that chapter, which is partially based on the ancient texts, the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita and the commentary that Yoganonda gives, which is really about the great battle of life. And it’s all this beautiful allegory about this battle, but it’s really about our Juna choosing between the biggest army in the world, having the biggest army in the world or the council of Krishna and the council of Krishna represents the voice of the true self of our intuition of our hearts.

Kimberly: 09:49 And anyways, I won’t get into the whole thing, but one of the takeaways that I love so much from the Gita is throw yourself into the din of battle and do not worry about results. So it’s like, well, what, you know, what battle are we in? Like, what are we doing? And like, what does that mean? Right. And I feel that, you know, I, I truly believe that we’re all unique. We have this unique blueprint. Quantum physics will say, we each have a unique gravitational field, which extends actually beyond our, the encasing of our skin. And it actually is in the ORIC field around us, but we have a unique energy. And Yogananda also teaches that as we have a unique energy and we are unique souls, we all have a unique purpose. And the purpose is, um, there’s two parts of it. The purpose is number one to grow.

Kimberly: 10:56 I believe in our wisdom and understanding of who we are, not just the ego, not just the encasement, not what we look like, what we do, but really growing in our self connection to the true self, to this formless part of us. And the second part, and this is where I talk. I go into great detail in the, you are a creator chapter, which is about taking that unique energy, which has form less and putting it into form through the practices and exercises of, you know, how do I take this quality of being really warm-hearted for instance, and how do I channel that into something so we can start to break down, oh, well, that quality allows you to be really great at dealing with customers or chat rooms, or, you know, you have an inclination for, um, you know, helping people find the best clothes for them or whatever it is.

Kimberly: 11:44 There is, there is a way of taking our creative, um, unique talent and putting it into form. But I talk about quite specifically, and the Gita does as well and Yogananda does, but our purpose, that part of our purpose, isn’t just specific in what we do, but it must be expanded into all the ways in which we can serve other people. So let’s say your job, your, you know, you’re, you’re doing your, you’re using your energy in the world to have an advertising firm. It’s, you know, really the energy of how you create a company culture and how you authentically come from your heart to do the best for your clients to put out great stuff in the world, to work with clients that are helping the world. There’s so many ways that that idea of service runs through what we do.

Jon: 12:35 Do you think that that is a universal truth, which is obviously a broad, you know, statement? What I’m saying is, you know, when I was, you know, just a few years ago when I was really just starting being on a intentionally conscious path, I would hear people talk about service. And I would think it sounded like something I would want, but in my heart, I was like, no, no, no, the people that are important to me in my community, in my world, in my life, like those are the people that, you know, get my attention. And, uh, those were the people that, you know, I want to help and I want to serve, and I want to, I don’t want to, you know, build with, and as I’ve gone deeper on that path, that idea of connectedness to everyone and the idea of service to everyone has become something that, um, it’s more interesting to me.

How the ego is the antithesis of the true self

Kimberly: 13:40 So I think that there’s, there’s layers and layers and there’s circles upon circles. And I do think this touches on another concept of the book, which is the collective, which is oneness, which is the fact that, you know, we’re all drops of this one, go higher creative intelligence. You can call it God, you can call it source. You can call it the universe and we can hear the rain coming. Yeah, it’s so beautiful. We’re just looking out over this expansive long and see a couple of stars out there, babe. But where we are is, is, you know, in the jungle and it’s very still, um, but going back to what you were saying, I think that the ego is the antithesis of the true self. So the ego is what’s, you know, sensing things out here and just looking at the physical eyes and the ego likes to control things.

Kimberly: 14:30 And the ego likes to think me mine. So if we lived life just for ourselves and for our benefit, we feel small and limited by nature. And so our results are often going to be really small and limited. So you asked, is that a universal truth that we are here to serve? I think that it’s you, it is part of expansion. And when we are expansive, we are in more fullness. So there’s more abundance that comes in and all the ways more prosperity, more love, more energy, more vitality, more connection. And so I think that in the beginning, we may think, okay, it’s just like me. And like the three other people in my family, I’m just going to serve my family. I don’t care about other people. It’s the kind of like families you see that are like pushing other families out of the way at the theme parks.

Kimberly: 15:18 Like, all I care about is my family, but I think the more, um, again, back to the connection with love and self love and then universal love and unconditional love, the more we open our hearts, the more we realize that we are all in this together and we are all connected. And so, you know, I think it’s the reason people feel so good when they volunteer or they do, uh, you know, a favor for somebody or like they help somebody. You feel really good because we’re expanding. And, you know, that’s a quantum physics principle as well. Like this idea that, you know, the universe, everything is actually the very nature is expanding. And so when we’re expanding, when we’re thinking more about other people, when we’re working to serve more people, then, um, it’s, it’s, it’s just, it feels really good. And I think that is in alignment with this idea of, of oneness. And so then we’re living in our truth.

Jon: 16:17 Our love get you, get you deeper.

Kimberly: 16:22 I mean, you, your love and my love specifically. Okay. So that’s a really great question. So let’s, now we’ll get more personal. Um, I think that when we’re, when we’re on this, this path of coming back to the true self, I keep using this word connection because I think so much, so much of the time we live on the surface and the identifications in how we look and we’re concerned about how we look to other people. And I can say that that was reflected back to me in, in different ways in my relationships and my personal relationships. And, you know, my, my axes that people I was with before are great people. So I’m not speaking anything badly about them, but just because they’re great, people doesn’t mean they were right for me. And I look back and there were partners I had that, you know, just, we didn’t have that sort of level of deep connection of seeing each other’s true self or soul.

Kimberly: 17:21 So it was very, um, some of it was very surface in a way like, oh, look at what I’m doing and look at what you’re doing. And we’re hanging out with the same people. Um, and I think that for me, that reinforced that, that surface part of myself, and it reinforced a lot of like thinking about what other people thought, because my relationship, uh, one in particular I’m thinking of was sort of shrouded in that. And it wasn’t supportive into me going deeper within myself. And again, I think we are where we are. We’re always evolving. So wherever I was at that point in my journey was where I was. So I, I don’t have any regrets per se. I think that it’s all part of the learning and the evolving, but the difference is with you and me from the beginning and you and I were talking about this today, out in the fields, actually with Moses, we were playing out there, um, is that we saw each other from the start and again, in my journey, because I don’t think it’s necessarily, um, it’s necessary for everybody’s journey, but there was a connection between you really seeing me.

Kimberly: 18:36 And that helped support me in really seeing myself and having the confidence to say, Hey, this is, you know, different than my other books. You know, maybe the, either in or out of execute, talking about food, which is universal and everybody eats. But my confidence, my true confidence grows and myself because I’m seeing, I start to see myself, I feel, um, strong in that I want to, I want to speak in, in, in truth and what I really believe. I want to say what it will help people. And so that was a big part

Jon: 19:19 Yeah. In other. And I, we are so blessed because we saw each other right away and we, you know, we’ve talked about this a lot, but on paper, we would never think that we would be connected like that. But we saw each other when we got married and got pregnant before we really just, you know, um, our, like, like we got to know each other during that process, even though we already saw each other and knew each other on a deep level, we actually got to know each other’s, uh, you know, shadows and things like that. And we brought that out in each other. Um, and that, like, for me, that’s been a huge, um, platform for me to, for me to grow from, like it’s brought out, you know, like I know, and, and, you know, we’ve talked about this a little bit before, but it’s essential. You know, I know that I can be, you know, the, and I try not to be, but I know that I can be the worst version of myself and still be completely loved and supported. And, uh, because of that, it allows me to really, you know, to, to really grow and, uh, and to challenge myself and to, to try and be the best version of myself.

Kimberly: 20:47 You brought up this idea of shadows, which is, you know, the, the disowned parts of ourselves, the parts of ourselves that we don’t like to see. And until we integrate our shadows, which means that we have to see them first, we don’t really, we’re not fully, you know, happy, joyful, successful in our definition, which is, you know, like really peaceful and living a fulfilling life because there’s this part, these parts of us that we know, we don’t really understand why we get sad or we get triggered, or we, you know, we act in certain ways because we don’t want to see, so we distract or we turn away, but there’s these parts of us that we don’t really get, and it does drag us down. So this is something that, um, we’ll talk about quite a bit in the U our whole chapter, which is in part one, because part one is about removing the biggest blocks to move forward in your life.

Kimberly: 21:40 Part two is really about embodying more of the true self qualities, so true confidence pieces in their intuition. And then part three is where you get into creating. So abundance create the creator chapters in there, because once you’ve gotten, you have to do parts of one and two first. So back to the shadow for a moment, a shadow that I had that I didn’t realize I had before we came together, was my safety issues. You know, not really feeling, um, or just trying to really feel safe because I never felt that, you know, safe in my self, you know, with my childhood, which none of us have perfect childhoods, I didn’t have that sort of safety mechanism put in. So I realized in a way I was, um, you know, picking partners that were a bit more surface, or I didn’t have to get so close to because of safety.

Kimberly: 22:35 So when we got together and our love was so deep and you penetrate it down into my soul, these things came to the surface and I had to deal with them. And I had to, you know, really, um, I was challenged to find the safety in myself. And that’s what, you know, true self connection is that we need less and less from the outside world. We want to share life. We want to share our love, but it’s less about needing and more about safety and security comes from inside of me. And there is this inner resource that is steady and is, um, my source of equanimity. I can always count on this true self part of me. And so again, our love, which was deep and brought up the shadows or love, wasn’t just, lovey-dovey, we’re coddling to your point. There was great challenges that have come up and understanding our each other’s perspectives, because we are, like you said, on the one level, very different, but the, the, you know, the great gift of that is really me finding this strength in myself that I didn’t know that I had.

Kimberly: 23:42 And from that strength comes, you know, back to the, I said a few minutes ago, throw yourself into the den of battle and do not worry about results when we reached that level of self-love. And in my case, our partnership love helped me find myself love it. Doesn’t always have to be that way, but then myself love grew to the point where this book it’s throw yourself into the den of battle, do not worry about results. Where I think in the past, I would have been more like, oh, you know, calculating, you know, is this something that’s, you know, okay. Commercially, like, are people gonna like it? Are people gonna, like what I write, like there would have been a lot more worry about the actual results. Of course I want the book to do well, but it’s different. It goes back to purpose, which is so clear for me now. And it’s, it’s, you know, the trust that this book will get into the hands of whoever is meant to read it. And I sincerely hope and pray that it benefits them. Um, but I can’t be, you know, worried about who’s going to read it or the results to the point that we know we don’t, we don’t do it in the first place. We don’t write in the first place, which is where I think a lot of people can get stuck

Jon: 25:01 For less vulnerable version of it. Wouldn’t, you know, be honest and wouldn’t be putting your best foot forward. Part of, part of all of this is being, you know, being vulnerable and being able to actually be, you know, your, your, your true self without trying to please people.

Kimberly: 25:26 Yes and no. In your case, babe, I’ll say that, you know, you make you’ve, I don’t know, four Forex or five extra business since we got together and you instantly became a father because, you know, he, Bobby was there. He was, um, almost three or just around three when we got together was very young. And, you know, while you may say this, isn’t fully your life purpose, you’re, you know, amazing and creative of what you do owning a PR wellness based or wellness focused, um, agency. And you’ve done so much self work. So how about for you pain? Can you say that, um, you know, yes or no has love in all its forms helped clarify your purpose? I mean, I wouldn’t say your purpose is totally clear, but look at where you are now.

Jon: 26:20 Well, yes, but, you know, and, and like you say your work, I think that my work, you know, will be a big part of my purpose and certainly reflected in everything that I do. You know, I only work with brands that I’m obsessed with. Um, have a lot of other investments I like to, you know, really kind of work on a bunch of different things that, that fulfill me. And, uh, um, you know, our, like our, our love, our connection has really sped up my self-reflection, you know, and so there’s levels to, this Was on, I was on a path before I met you, you know, and we both were, but the level of ego that was still there and really, and by the way to a degree is still there now.

Kimberly: 27:22 Well, of course, we’re in a lifelong journey,

Jon: 27:28 Uh, uh, this person who doesn’t, you know, deal with that, but now if I’m doing something with where, uh, like I’ll be doing something as I’m doing it, or while I’m doing it, I’ll catch myself. And I’m like, is that for me? Or is that for someone else? You know, like, what are the things that I wanted to do that are, you know, that are specifically for me. And, um, of course just, you know, meditating and, uh, and, uh, you know, spending so much time in you. And I actually like talking about this stuff,

Kimberly: 28:13 Like,

Jon: 28:14 This is what we do at night. We

Kimberly: 28:15 Talk, we talk this type

Jon: 28:18 Of stuff. And so of course, and also just the fact, and I can’t ever get away from it, but the fact that I feel completely comfortable being vulnerable, the fact that I feel completely loved no matter, you know, uh, what I’m doing, the fact that I feel held the fact that I’m on a team, you know, the fact that, uh, you know, like where we are in this with each other on a deep, deep level, um, uh, it’s, you know, it’s sacred and it allows us to grow as individuals in ways that, uh, not only would I never even anticipated, but I’d never would have allowed myself to be that vulnerable

Kimberly: 29:07 [inaudible]. Yeah. I think that, um, you know, vulnerability is this peeling away, the, uh, the, the very hard shell of the eco and getting down into, into truth, because we’re trying to protect, what are we trying to protect are what other people think it’s like our identity, other people’s opinions of us, it’s all this stuff that isn’t really who we are and

Jon: 29:34 Tries to build a shell around that

Kimberly: 29:36 Vulnerability. Exactly. It’s

Jon: 29:38 Painful. Let me just, let me, it’s not that, uh,

Jon: 29:44 You know, your, your ego is not really, you know, yes, it’s, it’s, it’s playing tricks on you and yes, it is, uh, it is, you know, blocking you from, from your true self, but it’s like, it’s a part of you. This is how I look at my egos, that this is, this is a part of me. This is a part of me that needs love the same way as like, as any other part, this is not, you know, something that, uh, you know, is, you know, like an enemy is something that is actually like, it’s trying to actually like shield me from pain. Uh, it’s just not, you know, uh, it’s not working in my best interest.

Kimberly: 30:28 Well, again, back to these, these teachings. And I think that we live in a world that values so much of the newness, like this new biohacking tool or this new study, but there is so much value in the old and the really old, like these ancient teachings, which come from, um, India and Yogananda Yogananda is the one that brought yoga to the west. And he was bringing something called Kriya yoga, which is really the, the, the Raja, the, the king yoga, the best parts of yoga. He calls it the super highway to, to bliss, to our wisdom. And, you know, I just want to overview by saying that when it came, it caused this ripple shockwave through the United States and people resonating on such a deep level. He met with Calvin Coolidge, the president of United States, and,

Jon: 31:18 You know, give him Korea

Kimberly: 31:20 And didn’t give him Korea, but he met with him. He gave Mahatma Gandhi, Korea.

Jon: 31:25 The question with that. So mama, God did just gets Korea without doing the lessons. Do you think it’s like an honorary degree? He actually gets the Korea?

Kimberly: 31:39 No. So he gets the Korea. There was, um, you know, I don’t want to get too down too far down that path, but it’s, um, you know, it’s a whole system for learning how to work with your energy and how to go into your spine and activate parts of your brain. There’s a science to it truly. And when, and in doing that, you, you, um, have access to more creativity. And this is one of the reasons that Steve jobs always read the autobiography of a Yogi every year. It was the only book on his iPad. He was using these teachings. And so I think that, you know, Gandhi didn’t have to go through the whole lessons. And some of the people like, um, you know, Lahiri Mahasaya, who was another great Yogi in India, who is disseminating Korea. He had his students who had a certain level of consciousness and certain level of practices.

Kimberly: 32:28 Most of us in the west don’t even know. Um, I certainly didn’t know what the true self was or the ego. I didn’t have that frame of reference. So what I’d done in this is condensed thousands of pages of Yogananda’s teachings down into these core lessons and these practices that are inspired to, because that’s what I’ve come to understand you. I’ve always talked about rituals like drinking your glowing green smoothie, having hot water with lemon and taking your probiotics. It’s the things that we do in day in and day out on a regular basis that start to shape our reality. They really start to shape our consciousness. And so the practices I’m talking about in the book, which are, there’s all different ones, things that you do with your body, things that you do with your breath, they ways to direct the mind ways to get out of the mind and into the body and feel sensations and direct energy in your body.

Kimberly: 33:20 There’s amazing chapter of vitality. Um, but it’s the practices that we do on a regular basis that start to shift us away from full identification, with the ego, which is where all the comparison comes from looking on Instagram and like seeing what other people are doing and not feeling good enough or what our coworkers are doing. It’s this comparison, not enough. The arduous Snus comes because of one root cause we are over identified with the ego. So what the book is about and what the teachings are about yoga Nona’s work is about is it’s not that we’re going to squash the ego. It’s not that it’s going to go away. It’s not that it’s this evil thing that must be eliminated it’s that we put too much of our identity in it. So it’s us that shifts into the true self energy, which is our power place.

Kimberly: 34:17 This is the epicenter. This is where the magic is. This is where our intuition comes from, where we are guided. This is where the best creative ideas come from. This is where we can put our unique spin on things that will become successful in the world. And this is where peace comes from. So it’s not that we have to do all this extra work because there is work. We have to do the practices, but it is a shift in focus. I think more people are spending more time and running around and, you know, trying to do so much and to-do lists and 50 different kinds of workout and obsessing about their food and all this stuff that dissipates energy. And when we start to align our energy in this deeper way, there is more of a flow in life. And that’s something that I have personally experienced. And I’m so grateful that I have access to these teachings, and I’ve never talked about them publicly. So I’m really excited to share them for the first time

Jon: 35:17 You are the perfect person to be able to share these, because first of all, you’re the only person I know that really digests scripture, they know this scripture and commentaries on and you, but you’re, you know, like you’re accessible. Like you speak in a way you distill it without dumbing it down in a way that is like very digestible in a way that people can really, that have never, would never read scripture that would never go into these complicated texts on their own. Uh, they would read your stuff, they’re drawn to your stuff. So I think that, uh, and because you don’t dumb it down because like your gift is being able to distill complicated things in a digestible way, um, and keep its essence. Like you are the person that, you know, like you’re, you’re, you’re a messenger of source, but you’re a person that is like the right person to bring this to the masses. It’s something that, uh, you know, like most people don’t know what consciousness is, you know, they just don’t know that really what, what that actually means self-realization actually is what

Kimberly: 36:45 Ego

Jon: 36:48 They’re just fully ego

Kimberly: 36:50 Identified with it. Like,

Jon: 36:52 Like most of us were at some point in our life. Like most of us are right now, but the vast majority of people, um, you know, they, they, they’d never thought about this. And I think when you, when you read this book, you will, you know, really have a very good idea of, you know, like what that is and what the next step on your path is.

Kimberly: 37:17 [inaudible] and they thank you, baby. That’s very kind of you. And I will say that it is true. I think that one of the things that I have loved to do is to take concepts, read about them a lot and then allow them to be accessible like that first book, the beauty detox solution, which was about digestion and putting it into analogies and pictures. And I did go through a lot of scripture and I went through a lot of, um, I say teachings and books and essays that were transcribed from the oral teachings. Um, because this isn’t about religion at all. Rectal oneness, there, there are truths, just the way that quantum physics or, you know, energy kind of works for everybody. There’s ways to work with energy, which is essentially what this is about and connection that apply to everybody. So you can be any religion or no religion, right? You don’t have to be an agnostic. You can be Catholic, you can be Jewish, you can be anything. And this applies to you.

Jon: 38:15 Even all those religions are referenced like pretty, pretty thoroughly in yoga Nanda.

Kimberly: 38:22 Exactly, exactly. He says, you can, you can be anything or no religion and apply these practices and learn to meditate and learn to connect to what he calls this underlying energy matrix. So underneath this form, we think is so solid, is this dynamic energy. And it’s when we start to tap into that, we create massive transformation in our outer world that starts from the inside. And most of us are struggling because we’re in the ego and the ego is the five senses out here. So we think we’re not enough. We look at our bank account. There’s not enough money. We think we’re not smart enough to do this or this and this, but that’s the world, the outside world, reflecting back to us. So that’s like the ideas like, oh, what, what does the marketplace want? And then trying to match what’s out there with insight versus the complete reversal of what these teachings show us, which is we create the best stuff from the inside, out in the inner energy.

Letting go and what this looks like when incorporating the Four Cornerstones

Kimberly: 39:19 When we work with it, our inner state starts to calibrate at different frequencies. And there’s a chapter I have on magnetism, which talks about this. And this is measured in science. This is, um, you know, podcasts. I did the other day with, uh, with a neuroscientist. She was talking about it, Dr. David Hawkins had these calibration methods. So it’s this repeated vibration from inside of us that we start to hone in and shape and work with from these practices that starts to ripple out and create outer form. So transformation in shaping our lives can be, it doesn’t have to be this arduous thing. There can be a great, a great more easefulness in it. Then you and I talk about, you know, I think about how much time I used to spend obsessing about being skinny. For instance, I would sit on the treadmill and I would look at the numbers and think about how many calories I had burned.

Kimberly: 40:14 And then I would use these charts and tracking for my food. And now I’ve let go of all that because, you know, I’m just working with energy and I’m doing these practices and I’m letting go of, um, you know, just certain things and, and, and emotional components that are, that add a heaviness that disrupt our hormones. Um, and you know what you were saying before, people don’t know that there’s this ego and the true self, the more we get into this, the more we realize, oh, there is this part of me. That’s watching the thoughts and watching this. And so I am actually, I’m not that because I’m watching it. And so then our, our expansion expansion starts to happen when we connect in with the true self, by spending time with it in effective meditation. And it just starts to grow more and more connection and then our power. And then we start to create things outwardly that we never thought we could create. And it’s, it’s amazing.

Jon: 41:15 It’s such a huge amount of our lives. Once you start, you know, having a consistent practice and making this a priority, we realize, or I realize that, uh, so many of the things that I do are numbing and distraction, surely like getting to know myself better. And I can fact, I mean, like food, for example, it feels good. We have comfort food, it feels dense. It feels like, you know, uh, just very reassuring and, uh, that’s not really what it’s supposed to be, you know? And, and I think of alcohol, I think of drugs. And I think of any most things that we, that we do are either a numbing or a distraction from, you know, something that we should have

Kimberly: 42:10 Well that’s because here in the west, especially, and I don’t mean to no, just put it all in a big box, but let’s be honest in the west. We are not taught these tools. And we aren’t given these practices of being able to step back into our, into our truth, into our, into our soul, into who we are. We are so identified that every, with everything that’s going on. So we don’t have the tools on how to really work with our energy and digest, for instance, a metabolize emotions, which are meant to be energy in motion, to your point, we distract, we push things down so that it ends up causing inflammation in our bodies, or we have chronic food cravings. And we don’t know where that comes from. And it comes from these, um, these energies, which are real, you know, we can say that they’re, they’re measured.

Kimberly: 43:06 Like there is science to this again. And there is, uh, quite a few studies referenced in the book. So this isn’t, you know, believe what I’m saying. Woo. And there’s nothing backing it. Um, there is an energy to emotions and we know that consciousness isn’t the mind isn’t just in the brain, but it exists through every cell of the body. And so the more that we start to understand that we can move energy and we can start to get more to the bottom of the well, and we can let go of things like shame. We can process and digest feelings. We can start to create different patterns in our life. We have different frequencies and we are lighter. The terminal, you know, light and love the light that comes through. We become lighter because we let go of a lot of the heaviness of indigested emotions, which is sort of like letting go of toxins, acids, and waste in our, that accumulate in our GI tract when we don’t eat properly.

Kimberly: 44:04 So in a similar vein and more expanded vein, the energy, um, becomes more flowing in our bodies and in our being and in our minds and our emotions start to be our emotional health, our mental health starts to become more balanced. And so there is this alignment that happens, you know, back to our theme here, which is love and purpose. We start to live more love. We have less blocks to love because we’ve let go of a lot of the triggers and reactions, which keep us in fear, keep us in ego. And so we are able to feel more light and to feel more connection, to feel love for ourselves and other people. And therefore it becomes more natural to live our purpose, which doesn’t again, have to be. So, um, it could be any outer form, but it’s an energy that we bring. We can show up at the food truck and just be a cheerful, loving energy to anyone that comes in, everyone we work with. And that is affecting the energy all around. We’re living a purpose of raising the vibration and in our space. Yeah.

Jon: 45:20 It also, you know, like by, by getting to know yourself better and getting to love yourself more, it obviously, you know, it’s true what they say that you can’t really love. Other people love yourself. And so there’s levels to that, right? Because the more you get to know yourself, the more you can love other people, which feeds back into that, like positive, positive kind of love loop. And how’s you to, you know, get, get deeper, you know, all around. But, um, like, and again, most of us don’t love ourselves. And so we have these feelings of love that we feel for things, but it’s a shadow, the actual feeling of love that you can feel if you really love yourself first.

Kimberly: 46:20 I mean, that’s, that’s a very huge part of this. And the reason we struggled to love ourselves is because again, it goes back to this root of we are identified with the ego. So we’re like, oh, I love my body to an extent, but it’s breaking down. I’m starting to look old. My joints hurt, you know, are I love that I am smart enough to have this job, but then you get demoted or laid off or whatever. And then your self-love is pretty shaky or it’s based on what other people think of you, or

Jon: 46:59 You just don’t really know what that is.

Kimberly: 47:03 Exactly. So you’re like, if you’re

Jon: 47:04 Raised by people that don’t love themselves, there’s a pretty good chance that you’re not going to ever feel what that is and that you’re going to base whatever your self-worth is on, uh, whatever you judge yourself worth on, on whatever those people that raised you and those people that you grew up with.

Kimberly: 47:23 Of course, and it gets passed on intergenerationally. And, you know, we, you know, we say, you know, our parents did their best and we love our parents, but they didn’t have these tools either. Right. So I think at any point, your consciousness can really shift. If you get, you know, you have tools, you get on the path, you’re the subtitle of this book is practical enlightenment for everyday life. So for me, it was really important to write a book that was very practical and to give tools exercises, step 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, do this for five minutes in the morning, or like do this when you feel triggered and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because I’ve read a lot of the, you know, the books and the scriptures and, and I, you know, different philosophies that are very esoteric. And it’s like, what do you do with this yoga Nanda was very practical in his work, very practical.

Kimberly: 48:14 So of course, it’s, you know, inspired by these ideas that have come through a real, uh, a group when that takes you from darkness to light one that is, you know, a wisdom keeper, so to speak, bringing wisdom in the world that can really, um, guide us. And the word enlightenment is about freedom. And it’s about awakening and it’s not me. We’re going to be enlightened, you know, like past tense, like we’re there like Buddha or Jesus or Krishna or yoga or whatever. But when we get on the path, our suffering starts to alleviate. So back to self-love, the self love comes from being connected to that uniqueness, that eternal part of us to our soul, to our spirit individualized inside of us, this stable, creative, courageous, intelligent part of us. And the more we come to know that through meditation, through these practices, our self-love real, self-love gross because now we’re not attaching it to something that can come and go.

Kimberly: 49:20 And like, maybe it’s good. Maybe it’s not. But this, the stability is what gives us real self love. And then we’re like, I’m good. You know, I’m keen to keep working on myself. I’m good, but wow, I want to share this. I want to serve other people. I want to help other people. Then our purpose comes from that. So that’s why I love and purpose are so connected because that deep self-love that explosion of heart energy. And this has been measured by the heart math Institute scientific Institute, which has been measuring the vibration of the heart energy for over 25 years. It’s much more powerful than the brain energy. This incredible power of the heart starts to come forth. And we start to live life more from that energy. And although the limited ego mind may tell us, oh, we have to be rational. We have to use the thinking brain.

Kimberly: 50:18 We have to compartmentalize. We have to create these lists. The truth is, and you can, you know, you can really feel this from personal experience. People open up to your energy more when you’re in love, right? There’s more opportunities. People want to help you out. More things seem to be in more flow. And the other thing I love about Yogananda’s work, as he says, throughout and from the get-go do not accept anything that I’m saying blindly, you test it for yourself. And I say that in the book, I started doing the teachings and I tested it. I started to see, you know, am I changing? Is my world changing? Is my life changing? Am I feeling better? And I was, it was personal experience. So the spiritual is we experience this, you know, these divine awakenings and this, you know, this part of our life, it’s just, you know, energetic and flowing.

Kimberly: 51:13 Um, we’re not meant to just accept it as truth. You know, we really do experience it. So you can test these meditations in the practices for yourself. And you start to see that the love and the bliss for nothing on the outside. It’s not just, oh, I got an a on my test today, which is what I used to be happy about, or I lost five pounds. It’s like, no, no, I’m just feeling this from inside of me, that freedom, that energy is priceless. And the ironic thing is the outside of your life. You know, all the things that you’re trying to create and your goals start to flow in without the arduous newness. You’re just taking it all in how baby?

Jon: 52:02 No, I think, I think that without overstating it, um, I think that I think the book as a real chance to change the world, uh,

Kimberly: 52:17 Because if

Jon: 52:18 You, if you help, you know, awaken people and because you have a mass audience already, if you help just make this part of mass culture, it, you know, that does change the world on its own. Everybody that, um, that you know, gets to know themselves better, provides more value and more service to the people around them. And so the more people you help with that, the more people, those people help. It’s, uh, it’s a really, really positive thing. The book is so digestible. I feel like I’m doing an ad for the book and Reality, but like, it’s so digestible and it’s so prescriptive, like you say, with not just these things where it’s like do this and test this and see how you feel, but actually all the exercises in the book that kind of help people, um, you know, while they’re actually reading it, uh, is just, it’s super potent. No,

In Closing

Kimberly: 53:25 Thank you so much, baby. And you know, like I said, I’m so grateful for you and for our love and whew, just the journey. Um, you know, our love has really just supported me so much in grounding into this self-love, which is accessible to all of us, you know, wherever we are in life. It really is the foundation. And, um, thank you for being my husband. Thank you for coming on the podcast. I am so excited to share the book with everybody and yeah, I just, I’ve never felt so passionate about anything I’ve ever put out my life.

Jon: 54:11 Oh, I love you, mama. And it, uh, it’s been just a wonderful gift. Um, I’m not just being your husband, uh, uh, actually seeing you write the book and sit down with a new baby and just sit down day after day and have this just pour out of you wall, being this, you know, super mom and super wife and super entrepreneur, uh, just a really, you know, inspiring human being and, uh, you know,

Kimberly: 54:56 Oh, thank you so much. My love, you are amazing. And I’m just so grateful and I love to share our conversations. I love to share conversations with, um, with all our amazing, uh, community members, all our beauties here, because we have such an amazing community of souls that are really, you know, looking to live in love and live their best lives. So, um, thank you again so much. Love you.

Kimberly: 02:39 All right. My loves, I hope that you enjoyed listening to our conversation between hubby and I and you benefited from it. I certainly love to share. I love to share the things that have helped me the most. I’d love to share the people that I love, and I love to share these authentic relationships in my as

Kimberly: 02:59 Well, especially with my amazing husband. So thank you so much for tuning in. We’ll be back here Thursday for our next Q and a community show. Please be sure to head over to my soluna.com where you can, pre-order the copy of your book today, or copies you are more than you think you are, and you can start benefiting from the pre-sale bonuses that are only here now for the next few weeks, including our beyond fear course, which we will access for free. After the book launch, we will be selling the course at full price. Also, you can start reading chapters today and get invited into our looped events, which was a live event with meditation and questions and just so much fun. So please check that out of my soluna.com as well as other podcasts articles, recipes, I think you would enjoy. So thank you so much. My love for being here, being part of the community, and I will see you online. I’ll also see you on Thursday. Lots of love.