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This week’s topic is: What is the Mind-Body Connection with Kelly Noonan Gores

I am so excited to have my very special guest, Kelly Noonan Gores, who is the writer, director, and producer of HEAL, a documentary feature about the mind-body connection and our body’s innate ability to heal. Listen in as Kelly shares her dedication and energies when putting this wonderful resource together with great thought leaders, teachers and researchers and breaking down subconscious beliefs in order to start healing.


  • Kelly’s backstory on where her interest in consciousness came from and the documentary, Heal
  • Subconscious beliefs – what they are and how to know if they are holding you back…
  • If we can really move energy through us if we give others permission…
  • What we learn from our babies and being in the present moment…
  • If you need to believe in God in order to heal…
  • Alternative healing modalities and how to turn the system around…


Kelly Noonan Gores on the Feel Good Podcast with Kimberly Snyder.

About Kelly Noonan Gores

Kelly is the writer, director, and producer of HEAL, a documentary feature about the mind-body connection and our body’s innate ability to heal. She also authored the follow up book HEAL which has twice the content of the film. A Los Angeles native, she grew up in front of the camera acting on and off in commercials, TV, and film from the age of 7. In 2012 she started Elevative Entertainment with the intention to create conscious media that informs, inspires, and empowers.

She has a passion for psychology, wellness, and spirituality and an insatiable appetite for understanding consciousness. As such, she has spent the last 18 years studying the teachings of luminaries like Eckhart Tolle, Marianne Williamson, Ernest Holmes, Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra and many more. Her intention with the documentary is to empower people to take control of their health back and demonstrate that almost anything is possible if we believe it is so. Kelly is a seeker, a meditator, and enjoys traveling, sports, reading and writing.


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Kimberly : 00:01 Hey Beauties, welcome back to our Monday interview podcast, where I’m so excited for a very special beauty that we have on our show today. Her name is Kelly Noonan Gores, and she is the writer, director, and producer of Heal, a documentary feature about the mind body connection and our body’s innate ability to heal. I don’t know if you have seen this documentary yet on Netflix, but it is absolutely wonderful. This powerful woman dedicated so much of her energy into putting together this wonderful resource, and she and I were able to connect, actually, at a intimate circle that I had at my home, our mutual friend, Danica Patrick brought Kelly to the circle and we just hit it off right away. She is such an incredible, beautiful, bright light. She’s a beautiful energy.

Kimberly : 00:48 And of course the circle was safe and it was outside and socially distanced, I will say, but it sparked something and we connected more and we started to talk about the film and I wanted to share this conversation with all of you, because she is so wonderful at showing what’s what’s possible and putting together great thought leaders and so many different teachers and researchers and yeah, she has a lot of wisdom to share, so I’m really, really excited for you to listen to our interview today.

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Kimberly : 01:24 Before we get going, I want to give a quick shout out to our fan of the week. Her name is Andreadailey21. She writes, “Kimberly, thank you so much for all you do. My life has changed so much since reading your books. This podcast is the icing on the cake. I appreciate this so much and all the information you give so freely. Thank you, thank you so much.” Oh, well Andreadailey21, I send you a huge hug. I felt that right in my heart. Thank you. Thank you so much for being in our community, for taking the time to write a review. It means the world to me. So thank you. And I hope we get to meet in person one day.

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Kimberly : 02:02 And Beauties, for your chance to also be shattered out as the fan of the week, please leave us a review over on iTunes, which is free and easy and just a wonderful way to support the show. While you’re at it, you can also subscribe to the show. Because of the busy flow of life we often forget certain things, and that way you never miss any of these interview podcasts or Thursday Q&A shows. So all that being said, let’s get into our interview right now with a wonderful Kelly.

Interview with Kelly Noonan Gores

Kimberly: 02:44 It is so good to see you love. Thank you, again, so much for coming on the podcast. We met a couple months ago, weeks ago, time is still funny at one of my circles and it was amazing. Amazing to have you and just to share and it was just a great introduction. I felt like we connected right away.

Kelly: 03:05 Oh my gosh, that circle was so powerful. I think it was on the new moon maybe or the next to the new moon and it was just… I mean, it was so cool.

Kimberly: 03:16 Have you done a lot of circles before Kelly?

Kelly: 03:18 I haven’t. I haven’t actually and the fact that you, myself and one other of your friends that attended we all pick the same word. It was really, really cool.

Kimberly: 03:30 Yes. Primarily, I’ve said they were women circles, Kelly. We do them with Selena, we do them online and then I do a lot of in-person ones. And then a couple months ago, when we could travel more, I was in New York and we had this big women’s circle and someone brought her boyfriend. And then my team was like, “Well, what should we do? Should we tell him to leave?” And I thought about it and I said, “Why would we exclude someone just because they’re a man?” And so what happened was… And I have two sons and then my husband John is so into this too. So when we do circles at home, it’s become a lot more co-ed. It’s been men and women and it’s really interesting when I think about the Me Too Movement and all, Justice Ginsburg and now we have a female vice president. And sometimes I think about, we want to empower women but there’s also unity and oneness. And how do we reconcile that? So it’s just interesting as we go along.

Kelly: 04:33 Totally, and the fact that all of us have the yin and the yang and to find that balance. It’s so great that there’s this whole future is female and feminist movement right now. And that’s awesome and we need that. But I also think it’s so beautiful. That circle was so balanced. Finding that balance in the individual and the community of just really finding that fit. Even with men tapping into their feminine and a lot of women also have so much… And this is true for me. I’m an Aries, but I’m also… Just because of my childhood, I have a lot of masculinity and Me Too you and Action power and sometimes I need to come back and tap into my femininity a little bit more.

Kimberly: 05:15 That’s right. I mean we have it within ourselves, the masculine and the feminine. And then we have it in the collective and I feel like healing comes from wholeness. So, at first I was a little worried, will people be as vulnerable when there’s men but again, coming together and being real and open, I think, heals all of us.

Kelly: 05:32 Totally.

Kimberly: 05:33 So no pun intended, Kelly, but I love the documentary, Heal. It’s so from the heart and it’s so genuine and I think it’s so accessible. So first of all, thank you so much for putting such beautiful work into the world. I imagine it was a tremendous amount of work.

Kelly: 05:50 It was. Documentaries, especially with not a huge budget, there’s so many moving parts with film and documentaries don’t really have… You can have a general structure but to not know the ending, it’s all unfolding, it’s kind of a mystery what’s going to happen. So you don’t know if you’re going to film for a year, five years, 10 years. But it turned out to be just really divinely guided and I was thankful that it came through me.

Kelly shares the backstory on where her interest in consciousness came from and her documentary, Heal

Kimberly: 06:19 Yeah, amazing. So I’d love to hear, Kelly, the back, back story because I know you’ve been interested in consciousness for a long, long time. But I often find that there’s something personal that draws us to a subject. So for instance, when I got into wellness, I’ve had a lot of issues with my body, a lot of bloating and rosacea back in the day and eating disorders. And so I came in to heal myself. So can you tell us a little bit about where your interest in consciousness came from this whole amazing subjects about-

Kelly: 06:53 Oh my gosh….

Kimberly: 06:54 Yeah, tell us the backstory and Beauties Heal is on Netflix, you can easily access it. It’s absolutely incredible and it really encumbers… Kelly, you could tell us more about it obviously but all these amazing healers and [mortalities 00:07:09] and just a much more wider breadth of looking at care and rejuvenation beyond Western medicine.

Kelly: 07:18 Yeah, thank you. And actually, if you’re listening to this after February 2021, we’re going to switch over to Amazon Prime. It’s been on Netflix for two years and it’s been amazing but they’re pushing all the other content off and just doing their own content now so we’re going to have a new home which is exciting.

Kimberly: 07:36 Yeah, great.

Kelly: 07:39 But anyways. I mean, I think I’ve always really been fascinated in the human potential and what we’re capable of and as I learned more about the intelligence of the human body, my mind just kept exploding like, Oh, my gosh. I learned about epigenetics and we’re not victims of our genes and that just fascinated me and lit up this whole passion inside me to do the film. But before that, I think I grew up acting. I grew up in LA so started doing commercials and small roles in film and television when I was seven years old. And I loved acting but part of me was… I wanted to be a normal kid, I didn’t want to stick out too much. And so there was this battle but I really loved it.

Kelly: 08:31 And I think in my 20s, I was not having the career that I expected to have by that time since I’ve been doing it since seven years old and kind of took some time off and went to Berk lee and thought I would explore other things and eventually came back, the calling came back to me to be in film. And in my 20s, I just felt like there was so many blocks in the way so I actually started seeing healers to understand what is getting in the way? Why am I not able to be vulnerable? Why am I so self conscious? What am I fearing? So it started out more, I think, psychological and emotional and energetic and then in my late 20s, I started having like digestive issues as many of us do.

Kimberly: 09:16 So much in the gut.

Kelly: 09:17 So much in the gut and especially females, we hold a lot of our emotions in that area. And so, I consider myself a very bright person but I wasn’t aware of nutrition and like how what I was putting in my body was affecting my gut health which is shocking but until you’re aware, you’re not aware, you’re in the dark. So I actually wanted to take… I was holding on to acting so tightly that I wanted to explore something else. I was interested so I was toying with the idea of going to USM which is the University of Santa Monica which is a spiritual psychology degree.

Kimberly: 09:55 Oh, wow.

Kelly: 09:56 Or taking this course from the Institute of integrative nutrition out of New York and I decided to do that because it was shorter, it was only a year. And I learned all about integrative nutrition and how, “Oh my gosh, the reason I have acid reflux that the doctor wanted to give me Prilosec for, to be on the rest of my life, at age 28. As I’m running marathons and doing all these healthy things. I learned that, frozen yogurt and drinking Charles Shaw wine and eating cereal for dinner. All these things are causing an acidic reaction in my body. So one thing led to another and I just woke up to the fact that our choices, our thoughts, beliefs, emotions, and lifestyle choices really affect our health. That we have so much more control and power over our health and well being than we’ve been led to believe. And so that kind of set me on this path to do this film.

Kimberly: 10:57 Wow. And one of the things, Kelly, I loved the film. There were so many interesting teachers and healers and characters. And one thing that kept coming up whether it was Gregg Braden talking about it or Joe Dispenza was this idea of limiting beliefs and subconscious beliefs. I think that it makes sense to a lot of us but it’s not easy to even know we have a limit, you know what I mean? Like you said, you knew when you knew. But what if we don’t even know? Like the woman, I forget her name but she had like boils all over her body and when she started exploring, she started unpacking things with her mom and with her family. But a lot of us push things down or we were oppressed. I mean sometimes we don’t even remember, we don’t know.

Subconscious beliefs – what they are and how to know if they are holding you back

Kimberly: 11:42 So what would you say to someone Kelly, that’s like, “I love this. I’m really inspired to get to my subconscious beliefs that may be holding me back but I don’t know what they are?”

Kelly: 11:52 Yeah, exactly. That’s that whole tricky thing of subconscious. It’s literally below our awareness.

Kimberly: 11:58 How do we bring it up?

Kelly: 11:59 How do we bring that… I mean, there’s so many modalities to kind of become aware. I mean, there’s… I wouldn’t even know. There’s so many and watching the film… like hypnosis, I don’t know if you’ve ever done hypnosis but that-

Kimberly: 12:18 I have actually.

Kelly: 12:19 …tap into working with a hypnotherapist. They can actually tap into your past and things that you’ve suppressed and repressed and then they reframe the event to help you heal. But, again, they can help you become aware of things that you didn’t even know happened because there was so much trauma that you reversed them. So you start to just ask questions, that’s self exploration. And, what I always say is, we do bring up a lot of modalities in the film. And, I think that one of the things I encourage is people to really… We all have this internal guidance system, it’s our intuition and it’s our higher self speaking to us through that. And that will never lead us astray.

Kelly: 13:05 It’s kind of a skill and a trick to learn to decipher between your intuition and something else. And with practice, you can tap into that and understand it more. But it’s resonance, when you watch the film and something really resonates and jumps out at you, dive into that. That’s your intuition, that’s your guidance going, “Oh, maybe that’s something that’s correct for me.” If you set the intention that you want to understand these belief systems, we talked about it in the film, from ages zero to seven, the way our brain develops, we’re just downloading programs and belief systems from our caretakers. And they become like a software that’s just running our lives so that we don’t have to think about things, we can do things automatically. And that’s 95% of our thoughts are this subconscious programming. So we really need to wake up to what these programs are and Bruce Lipton says that 75% of them are negative and disempowering. And they’re not even ours, we adopted them from our caretakers. So getting to our core belief systems is the path and the gateway to healing and to freedom and all that.

Kelly: 14:50 So there’s so many modalities and ways to do it when you set the intention and you put it out there. Things will come forward and you’ll resonate with the right path for you to uncover.

Kimberly: 15:02 I 100% agree, Kelly. And I feel for me, one of the ways I unpacked some of my unconscious or subconscious, deep down there, beliefs was triggers. So I just started to notice as I went through, why does it bother me so much? One of mine was not being heard or seen from different things that happened in my childhood. So someone would interrupt me or I felt like someone didn’t acknowledge me, it really, really, really hurt. And as I became more conscious as an adult, I started to question, why does this bother me so much? Why can this screw up the party or the day? So I think it’s important to look at. And then like you said, the intention of, I don’t want to be sabotaged by thoughts. I want to explore this. So when we get to that point, like you said, different tools can come forward but I think being open and feeling what feels off or uneasy to us, it just was happening so much. I thought, this isn’t normal. This isn’t how I want to… Not normal but it just doesn’t feel flow, this needs some kind of balancing.

Kelly: 16:08 Totally, I think triggers are the exact way to wake up, right? Why am I being triggered? This doesn’t feel aligned. So it’s either you’re being triggered because of a limiting belief system that really isn’t aligned with your higher self, your soul, your purpose. Or it’s a past wound that you’ve stuffed down that you haven’t dealt with and it’s coming to the surface to try to be healed. And that’s why triggers are actually one of the best teachers, the best waker uppers.

Kimberly: 16:38 Yeah, exactly. Instead of pretending they’re not there or distracting, but actually going in. So there’s this, I think when we want to be healed, when we choose, like you said Kelly, there’s this courage, I think, when you can stand and look. Which can feel scary and some of the characters in Heal. Sometimes of course, we’re so used to distracting, we’re so used to pulling away but actually leaning in a little bit to the discomfort, I think is how we go through it.

Kelly: 17:12 100%, yeah. Eva is the woman in the film that you talked about with the boils and when I met her and she agreed to go on this journey and be filmed. She’s very vulnerable, she had a lot of trauma in her past. And, as you said, it’s often scary. It takes a lot of courage to look at your wounds because healing your wounds or bringing them up to the surface after they’ve been repressed or suppressed is just as painful as when the event first happened. So it takes a lot of courage but there is light on the other side of going through that fire.

Kimberly: 17:45 So Kelly, those were really amazing. I mean, I don’t remember all their names but just the way that people were healing, physically, energy and moving. And you were in the room for some of this. So there’s all this discussion in the medical community and in the spiritual community about placebos versus actually moving energy. And of course, we don’t really know the answer. And I guess at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter. Because if you’re using your mind to heal or to enact change, it doesn’t matter. But I was watching this and I said, I can’t wait to ask Kelly. Your opinion, Kelly, is it coming within us or do you believe that there are people that have medical intuitives, the medical… I forget the[crosstalk 00:18:31]

Kelly: 18:30 Medium.

We discuss if there are people that can help move energy through us if we give them permission

Kimberly: 18:31 Yes, there you go. Do you believe there are people that can help actually move energy through us if we actually give them permission?

Kelly: 18:40 I do. I do believe and but I like I said, I do think placebo and that the human belief systems can really shift things within their own biology. But when it comes to energy and people kind of facilitating, removing entities or bad energy or healing past lives or even just doing energy healing that we see in the film just like with psychics. I think we all have a certain gift but it’s on this scale and a lot of people come in and are just more sensitive in certain faculties. My friends, they’re colorblind, these two brothers but they’re musical geniuses. So they’re lacking some eyesight but their hearing, is heightened.

Kelly: 19:28 So I think both psychic and healing capabilities, I think that’s the same. They’ve just have a heightened sense of that talent, ability and sensitivity. But I do think placebo is everything. They talk about how if you’re taking a placebo drug, thinking it’s an anti depressant, expecting and believing that this pill is going to elevate your mood even if it’s just a sugar pill and won’t do anything to your biology, if you take it, believe, and expect and you give meaning to this pill, 75% or more of those people will have a positive, elevated mood reaction because of their belief system, their brain has signaled to create the exact same drug and chemical that the drug would be giving them. So our brain is our best pharmacy and our belief systems and our expectations and our thoughts are what trigger and turn on and off and release [inaudible 00:20:28], it’s amazing.

Kimberly: 20:29 It’s amazing in that case Kelly. If it’s the doctor giving you a pill or the doctor saying a surgery, it’s easier to be like, “Oh, I trust this person.” So the placebo really works. I guess the key is how we kind of turn it in ourselves without anybody else. I mean, that seems like the big… When we do that.

Kelly: 20:48 Exactly, because then we could start to take inert substances with no negative side effects and have these wonderful chemical outcomes.

Kimberly: 20:57 Not even take substances, Just say, “Oh, I decide to heal my liver today.” Right? And use the mind to manufacture the proteins and the antibody, whatever’s needed in the body.

Kelly: 21:06 Exactly. That’s coming in 2050 or something. Please someone teaches how to do this, yeah.

Kimberly: 21:15 So what’s interesting, I worked with many different people especially women that are suffering and have so much that they want to shift and move forward in our lives and of course, we want to keep growing. But I couldn’t help but think about my mom when I was watching the film, Kelly. So three years ago, when my first son was not even a year old. She was diagnosed with cancer on Valentine’s Day and she’s so healthy. She was running around, she was the most energetic person in the world and then she passed in six weeks. We didn’t know she had cancer and then suddenly she had cancer and it was a stage four. And I witnessed this and as someone that has been in the wellness space and she was mostly following my programs, organic food, largely plant based. And she was a meditator, it was bewildering to me. So at first she was she said to me, “I don’t want to die.” And we were doing everything that we could.

Kimberly: 22:15 But in a few weeks, in my meditations, in my heart, as painful as it was, I felt this acceptance. I felt like she was kind of done with this life in this body. It was her path to move on as painful as it was. And I could feel her holding when she couldn’t speak anymore. And I had to say to her, which is the hardest thing in my life. “It’s okay to let go, mom. It’s okay.” I’ve never said that out loud actually. But I guess my question is, because we witness people that want to heal and they want to keep going but it’s funny with grief, sometimes you don’t know when it hits you. It’s been three years and I cried. And sometimes I talk about it all day and it doesn’t hit me, sometimes it does.

Kimberly: 23:05 But I guess with all these amazing modalities and Joe Dispenza and everyone’s talking about infinite potentiality. There’s a line though of acceptance and if we do believe in a higher power which I do, sometimes it’s the will of God that things go a certain way. Or you hear about the stories of Ramana Maharshi, these Yogis who have intense physical pain, intense physical illness and he says, No, this is purifying me and he meditates through it. So I guess I don’t really have a question except Kelly to say there’s potentiality but then there’s the will of higher, higher power. And sometimes it’s blurry to know when we keep fighting and when we accept.

Kelly: 23:57 I know, it’s so hard. Thank you for sharing that and I can’t even imagine, I mean, I really can’t. Especially happening that fast and then someone who seemingly has done everything right and is so healthy of spirit and that doesn’t make sense to me. And I would probably need to do endless documentaries on exploring that because I do want to crack the code. I do want to understand why… We posed the question in the film, Well, I understand maybe unhealed past trauma and environmental toxicity and emotional stress. We talked about how much stress just wears out the immune system and allows the environment for things like cancer and other things to pop up.

Kelly: 24:45 We talked about kids. Why do kids come in to this world with leukemia or cystic fibrosis or whatever it is. It just doesn’t make sense when you’re talking about the psychological factors. And Gregg Braden says we just don’t know. And Michael Beckwith says, sometimes people choose to come into this life to be our greatest teachers. We just had a really dear family friend who had been battling brain cancer for five years. She was 15 years old and she just passed away. And I’m not there day to day but it’s just like, why? Why don’t we know? Why can’t we crack the code and cancer is especially tricky because there’s 1000 different causes and the same diagnosis can be caused by 1000 different things in different humans. So it’s just… I don’t know. I wish I knew the answer, you didn’t even ask a question really but I think acceptance and there is such a spiritual… To me, all healing is a spiritual journey for you and your mother.

Kimberly: 25:56 Exactly. And from the yogic standpoint which is rooted in this idea of reincarnation, where we come back many, many times. That’s how Yogananda, the great yoga master, would explain the childhood person that has leukemia saying, “Oh, it’s a tendency from another life.” With my mom, this body had served her and she was going to move on but again, we don’t know. But that resonates with me because it takes away this idea, this is all we have and this idea of unfairness. But again, we don’t know. There’s different theories out there, of course.

Kelly: 26:29 Yeah. And I feel like I totally believe that we come back many times. I believe that we know what we’re getting into and we come here and we forget when we come into the physical incarnation. Or we forget, as we get older. I think children are so very close to it but that still doesn’t make it any easier for the ones left behind like us and when were missing those people.

Kimberly: 26:53 So one of the yogic beliefs that I love, Kelly, along this idea is that we choose our mother and then we choose our parents in this situation. And I had shared this with my mother. And the last thing she said to me when she could still talk with you picked me, remember? Just felt really powerful [inaudible 00:27:18] to that. And then we learn and things keep going.

Kelly: 27:22 Yeah. Wow. That’s the last thing she said. I mean, that’s just kind of the great reminder, right?

How we learn from our babies and being in the present moment

Kimberly: 27:30 But as mothers, Kelly, we learned so much from our babies too. I just feel like they’re so close to the other world and they haven’t been conditioned and it’s amazing just to sit and your daughter’s a year?

Kelly: 27:46 A year and a half, yeah.

Kimberly: 27:48 And just to sit in the presence of these teachers is such a… I feel like we should be studying the psychology of children more.

Kelly: 27:57 Yeah, totally.

Kimberly: 27:59 What they can teach us.

Kelly: 28:01 Yes, absolutely. I mean, everybody’s like, “When are you doing Heal 2 and what’s your next project?” I’m like, “My project right now is just really trying to be present for my daughter” So all of this stuff I know about subconscious programming, I just need to be present so I don’t give her some limited programming. That she has to unpack for the rest of her life so I’m just doing my best.

Kimberly: 28:23 All right. I think you’re coming in more a week we’re conscious than most folks out there. So I think you’re doing just great.

Kelly: 28:30 Thank you, I have. But yeah, there’s such great teachers and I love… We look we look at our babies and we’re just like they can do no wrong even when they’re throwing a tantrum. We just know, we have this awareness that they’re just learning to express. They’re learning so much so fast, a crazy amount. And I’d love… If we could hold our inner child like we revere and really honor our children and give them the space to be vulnerable and messy and not perfect and learning and making mistakes and falling down as they’re walking. I mean, we live in such a unforgiving society right now and we’re so hard on ourselves and allow mistakes and learning and so I think she’s taught me most to go back and just be more gentle on myself. We were all that innocent child at one point. Flailing and learning and making mistakes and we need to allow ourselves that permission through our entire lives and that care and that space.

Kimberly: 29:42 Yes. So Kelly, here at Solluna we have a what we call her Four Cornerstone philosophy which is food, body, emotional well being/mental health and spiritual growth. And a lot of times when I talk to this about people, people are like, “Oh, food, I get that.” Everything not food related, obviously you probably exercise, supplements and so on. Emotional well being, people get that too. Western psychology, right? But then the spiritual part I say to me that’s… I guess the broad definition is how we… I define it as a deeper understanding of ourselves, right? Removing blocks to love. It’s not about religion but it’s about connecting inward with our spirit.

If you need to believe in God in order to heal

Kimberly: 30:24 So, interesting question for you. This popped into my head when I was going on my walk today and you had said it earlier, Kelly. All of healing is about spirituality. So what about the atheists out there, the people that closed down to this concept of something greater, right? Because I love these scientists, Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden, I believe he’s a geologists and Einstein, he comes to a point where we’re like, we know what we know but then there’s this… Quantum physics has the spooky principle where there’s just things that cannot be explained. The observer principle, they defy the laws of Newtonian physics. So do you feel that unless someone opens up to this idea that… It was a tricky question but I guess I’m asking because I have some relatives who are atheists, right? And they think some of what I do is [inaudible 00:31:14].

Kimberly: 31:15 But I guess, do you think that’s a necessary component to heal in your work? Have you seen people when you were doing the film, that we’re still atheist, but we’re able to do the placebo effect? Just in your opinion, do you think?

Kelly: 31:30 Yeah, I think that, we talked about it, there’s always these anomalies where someone is just a total… Like the asshole neighbors, excuse my french. For anyone that-

Kimberly: 31:42 Totally, I get it.

Kelly: 31:44 … smokes, drinks, does everything wrong in the four pillars, right? He’s probably an atheist and, not to say atheists are assholes but just in the example of the guy who literally does everything to the opposite of what we would recommend living to 106 years old and nobody can explain it. And there’s something to be said about someone who… I guess the answer is I don’t think it’s a prerequisite to believe in God to be able to heal. I think that it’s available to everybody and you could have this defiant attitude where you just enjoy life so much and even that might look like an angry guy smoking cigarettes or whatever but that just brings him joy. He doesn’t hold on to anything, he’s not stressed. He’s just expresses his emotions freely and because of his genetic constitution, he is just a bull and he [crosstalk 00:32:44].

Kelly: 32:44 So, I don’t think it’s prerequisite. I do feel that there’s… I love Anita [Moorjani 00:32:50] story in the film. It’s a long one but I’ll just sum it up. Basically, [inaudible 00:32:55] with cancer, was on her deathbed, went into a coma, had a near death experience, went to the other side, basically melted into source energy which is the love that was beyond human word description. Encountered her father, who in life they just had the butting heads relationship, lots of tension. And there was no animosity, everything was forgiven. And she realized that the reason she had cancer is every decision she had made in her physical life was made out of fear.

Kelly: 33:33 And because she went to the other side and felt the magnitude and the love and and remembered through that from whence she came, the source energy that we all are. She came back into her physical body and she healed within like three to five weeks.

Kimberly: 33:52 Her body didn’t match the new belief system?

Kelly: 33:55 Exactly. And her body just reconfigured to the new software system that had been downloaded which is without fear and that she knows that we have no fear of death and that we are all loved and connected beyond imagination. I love that story and that to me sums up…[crosstalk 00:34:12]

Kimberly: 34:14 Was she’s spiritual before that experience? Did she have a meditation practice? Wasn’t she a doctor?

Kelly: 34:24 What I remember most was she was raised in Hong Kong. So she was very westernized education, we’re a very traditional Hindi family. One that wanted to give her an arranged marriage so I think she kind of shunned her spirituality actually and wanted to be more westernized and modern. And so all of that went out the window and there was no definitions now. She was fearing so much what she ate. I love this part of the story too. She had so much fear around what she ate because she lost her best friend to cancer. So she didn’t eat sugar, she didn’t want to eat too much, she didn’t want to do it. So She was then so rigid after that experience that she actually had so much fear that she developed cancer.

Kelly: 35:05 And now she eats ice cream. She eats whatever she wants whenever she wants obviously in moderation. She’s very aware of how it makes her body feels but she’s like if I’m going to eat the ice cream then I’m going to enjoy it. There’s no fear that that sugar is going to cause and there’s just so much more balance and appreciation for life which is what the purpose is.

Kimberly: 35:24 Sometimes we can get so obsessed with one… When I was first getting into a healing with food, it can go the other way. The orthodeoxia, the obsession with everything being perfect and that creates a lot of stress like you said too, Kelly. So I feel like there’s this softening that happens when we go on the healing path and not feeling so rigid and uptight because that’s the stress hormones and that the stress chemicals as well coming in.

Kelly: 35:50 Exactly and I like to say, you summed it up perfectly, that rigidity, that stress, that resistance. I mean, we can give so many names to every area of our life. If we call sickness, disease, our purpose here, our homeostasis, our natural state is ease, flow, great. So when we have that stress and imperfection and rigidity and resistance and it shouldn’t be this way, we are causing our own disease. So to me, health is ease.

Kimberly: 36:21 I love that. It’s feels good. It feels like a river, like a nice river[inaudible 00:36:25]

Kelly: 36:26 Exactly.

Alternative healing modalities and how to turn the system around

Kimberly: 36:27 So Kelly, another thing that was like “Oh my gosh,” In the film, it would be amazing If everybody had access to medical intuitives and Reiki healers. We talked about food deserts, right? Where there’s these places where people just don’t have access to good food, they don’t have access to organic. So the way our healthcare system works and the way most insurance program works is, you go to the doctor and it’ll cover some of the pills and the western medicine but unfortunately people don’t have access to all these now alternative healing modalities. Of course, acupuncture has been more studied. I think some plans cover acupuncture or massage. But what do we do, Kelly? How do we get this out to more people? I mean, in the future it’d be amazing if insurance covered some of this. What do you think is needed? Do you think there’s more research? Like what Joe Dispenza is doing? How do we turn the system?

Kelly: 37:24 Yeah, I think it’s a combination. I think technology is finally catching up to start to prove that these ancient philosophies and these ancient modalities and Ayurveda and Chinese medicine and meditation. Now Joe Dispenza, is proving with measuring brainwaves and everything and energy in the room and in the electromagnetic field that we can really shift things and cause healing effects with meditation. And I think technology is starting to back up science to present to these health insurance companies that actually show that preventative medicine and these alternative modalities actually save them money in the long term. So I think that the consumer… Wellness is such a wave right now. And I think that that’s going to help because so many more people [inaudible 00:38:17] for these modalities and then the consumer will demand that more are covered.

Kelly: 38:22 And I’ve talked to your husband about this but I’m involved… After I did Heal, I envisioned this online community where people could share stories and resources of what they did to heal certain conditions, just to talking so that people can help each other down the path. My friend healed stage 3C, ovarian cancer, in six months. She took these supplements. She had this kind of type of nutrition issue or cold caps during chemo, all these little things to share information. And so I didn’t have the bandwidth to do it at the time. But then I got aligned with these two people that started this company called WellSet. And it’s this online booking…it’s basically the Airbnb for alternative and preventative medicine practitioners.

Kelly: 39:12 Because if you think about it, we get our healers and people through word of mouth. But if you’re in Kansas or if you’re traveling to Chicago, I want to know the best person in that area. So I’m so excited because there it’s launched now, which is a little challenging during COVID. But basically it’s a place where people can find vetted and trusted practitioners, they can see who their friends use, they can see people who have healed from certain things who they use and then search conditions. So it’s a trusted way and one of the main goals of this platform is to show the data to these health insurance companies and actually partner with them eventually to see… Look, we have millions of people in this country and globally that are repeat customers of craniosacral and their medications are dropping because of it and to show all this data with the practitioner. So I think it’s a combination of all three of those things, technology, these online communities and then the consumer demand.

Where to find more information on Kelly’s recommendations

Kimberly: 40:17 Where do we find more information about it? Sounds amazing. You said it’s been launched?

Kelly: 40:22 It’s totally live and we’ve got practitioners. So we vet practitioners, we do background checks, we did certification so people can feel trusted. And then you can have your circle, I can have my circle so people can go on and see who Kelly recommends. It’s really cool. It’s like digitized word of mouth but really safe. And so it’s called WellSet and it’s just and whether you’re a client searching for someone or you’re a practitioner, you can have your practice on there booked directly to the platform.

Kimberly: 40:53 Well, it feels like the natural extension of Heal because again, I’ve watched it and I think, again, how do people find these people and how they could help them so this is the perfect-

Kelly: 41:04 Exactly, yeah. Totally.

Kimberly: 41:08 I feel really hopeful about that, Kelly, because it’s like, Power to the People, right? Because we think, big food industry, but look at what’s happening? More people are choosing organic and choosing plant based as more information comes out. So even though Big Pharma is so powerful, I feel like the more people learn about these modalities and seek them and want them and like you said, the insurance companies can start to shift their policy and they’re part of it.

Kelly: 41:33 Totally.

Kimberly: 41:34 It has to it has to shift, I love that. So that’s something you’re working on as well as being a mom, which is-

Kelly: 41:42 Yeah.

Kelly shares what is in her heart at the end of 2020

Kimberly: 41:43 …a huge job day to day. What else are you excited about right now, love? At the end of 2020? What’s in your heart?

Kelly: 41:55 Yeah, my heart goes out to so many people that are struggling, that have been crushed by the economy’s pause and this pandemic and anyone who’s lost a loved one because of COVID. I mean, there’s been so much tragedy this year but I also think that I always just… It’s one of my favorite cheesy cliches but it’s break down before breakthrough. I think you need a big kind of wake up, shake up, break down for people to really wake up and want a different way of being. We really are hypnotized by media and even pharmaceutical commercials. It’s mind blowing to me that they play this beautiful music and these loving families skipping around the house or whatever and then it’s like you’re taking something for Psoriasis like a skin rash but it causes lymphoma or death. I’m like, “Are people paying attention?” No, because we’re just hypnotized.

Kimberly: 42:56 They make it so pretty, don’t they at first?

Kelly: 42:58 There’s butterflies and people are kissing and walking up the stairs and putting lotion on in the pool way. So, I think it’s painful and it’s tragic but we are not working in so many areas of our society and we need to snap out of it. And it’s going to take something pretty major to make us do that. So, I think 2021 will start on this trajectory but 2020 was the shakeout.

Kimberly: 43:26 Yeah, I agree. It brought up a lot of shadows but shadows that needed to be healed.

Kelly: 43:31 Exactly.

Kimberly: 43:32 And also just having people quarantine sitting with themselves and peeling away layers and seeing you actually don’t need this as much and why the discomfort that comes in.

Kelly: 43:43 Totally. Yeah, exactly.

Kimberly: 44:35 We bury parts of it, we think things come up but then actually, when I was watching your film, I started thinking about fighting and then with her. I’m like, Mom. It was just like at one point, it had to be acceptance.

Kelly: 44:48 Yeah. And that acceptance we talked about, that’s the first step in healing and that’s the hardest thing to navigate. It’s like people don’t want to accept. People want to resist because they feel like acceptance is like surrender, it’s literally giving up but there’s a part of… Acceptance is the necessary step, whether it’s like the fact that you’re not supposed to heal because acceptance is the healing and letting go back to the other realm or whatever it is. This life here is complete or acceptance is letting go of that resistance of thinking things should be a different way. What everybody said in the film, who had healed from really gnarly things, like a stage 4 cancer or MS or something, it turned out to be their greatest gift and they wouldn’t change a thing because it woke them up and reconnected them to their purpose or woke them up to past trauma that they needed to accept and let go.

Kimberly: 45:59 Wow. Oh my gosh, goosebumps again. Everything in life if we see it as more of a teaching or these things that are healings. I think it’s one of the teachings of Buddhism, right? And just, instead of, Oh, this sucks. I don’t want this to be here, that resistance, which is how a lot of us have been trained when we grow up to think about things.

Kelly: 46:24 Totally.

Kimberly: 43:45 Great healing to come from that. Thank you so much for being with us today. You have such a bright light and I was just so drawn to you when we met and we’ve connected and I’m just so happy and grateful that you’re in the world doing your work.

Kelly: 44:00 Thank you I feel the exact same way about you. Same connection and you are one of the most vibrant beings I’ve ever met so thank you, I’m honored to be on.

Kimberly: 44:08 Thank you my love.

Kimberly : 02:32 Well Beauties, I hope you enjoyed that interview as much as I enjoyed doing the interview. What a wonderful, beautiful light Kelly is. For more information on her, on Heal, on other podcasts you might enjoy, please head over to for the show notes for this show. And we will be back here Thursday as always for our next Q&A podcast. Besides the show notes over at Solluna, you can check out our other resources, recipes, meditations, our products. Also I’m on Instagram every day. I’d love to connect with you more. And my handle’s @_KimberlySnyder. So all that being said, thank you so much. And I will see you back here Thursday.