This week’s topic is: Embodying Self-Love with Julie Piatt
I am so excited to have my very special guest, Julie Piatt, who is a best-selling author, renowned chef, artist, musician and healer. Julie has so much wisdom to teach us about really, truly loving ourselves, which I think is key for all of us as we move through the world. As we focus on our goals, our families, our dreams and our aspirations, self-love is the key, and Julie is an amazing teacher in this regard.
- Julie’s influence and path as a spiritual teacher…
- How to balance being an entrepreneur, a mom and still have time for the creative side in you…
- Differentiating raising boys from raising girls and if each child is their own soul…
- How to preserve your self-care and creative pursuits while being a full-time mom…
- Sisterhood versus competition, duality and separation…
- Ways to embody self-love…
About Julie Piatt
Julie Piatt (aka SriMati) is a renowned chef, artist, author, musician and healer, and founder of SriMu, an artisanal, plant-based cheese company. Along with her husband Rich Roll, she has authored three plant-based cook books, including The Plantpower Way. Her podcast is called “For the Life of Me.” She shares deep wisdom about the spiritual aspects of what it means to live life divine.
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Kimberly: 00:00 Hey, Beauties, and welcome back to our Monday interview podcast. I am super, super excited to share our very special guest with you today. Her name is Julie Piatt, and she is a best-selling author. She’s a renowned plant-based chef, artist, musician, and healer. She just created an amazing new plant-based cheese brand called SriMu, And she’s a wonderful spiritual teacher. She is 58-years-old and she just embodies self-love. She has so much wisdom to teach us about really, truly loving ourselves, which I think is key for all of us as we move through the world, as we focus on our goals and our families and our dreams and our aspirations. Self-love is the core, is the key, and Julie is an amazing, amazing teacher in this regard. So can’t wait for you to hear our interview today.
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Kimberly: 01:48 Well, MWL1970, Thank you so much for such an incredible heartwarming review. I have my hand on my heart right now. I really took that in and thank you so much for that. I am so grateful for you. I’m so grateful you’re part of the community, and that we have this space to connect and to walk the path together. I send you so much love and so much gratitude back to you.
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Kimberly: 02:17 And Beauties, for your chance to also be our fan of the week, also for me to read your words for me to connect with you, and also to just support the podcast, thank you so much in advance for your review. It doesn’t have to be as wonderfully elaborate as this wonderful review, it could just be a sentence or two, but if you can please leave us a review over on iTunes, it will take a minute or so, and it’s a great way to support the show. So thank you so much in advance. While you’re over there, please subscribe to the show. That way you don’t miss out on any of these interview podcasts or our Thursday Q&A community shows. All right, all that being said, let’s get right into our fantastic interview with that fascinating Julie.
Interview with Julie Piatt
Kimberly: 00:00:01 Thank you so much. It’s great to connect. I think we’re neighbors. I’m in Topanga.
Julie : 00:00:07 Oh, my god. Yeah. We’re completely neighbors. I love Topanga. I’m just off of Malibu Canyon.
Kimberly: 00:00:13 Oh, wow.
Julie : 00:00:14 Yeah.
Kimberly: 00:00:15 Wow. Well, I’m …
Julie : 00:00:17 We have to meet in person when we can.
Kimberly: 00:00:21 I love that. I briefly met your husband at commune. I think we crossed paths a little bit.
Julie : 00:00:28 Oh, that’s right. He told me that he went up there. That’s so cool.
Kimberly: 00:00:33 Yeah. We did. I recently did a course with them. It was nice.
Julie : 00:00:36 It’s good.
Kimberly: 00:00:37 Yeah. We’ve done our cornerstones. There was meditation, spiritual aspect, and then some food, which is …
Julie : 00:00:43 Oh, cool. Love it.
Kimberly: 00:00:45 This means I’m really drawn to your work. I know you incorporate a lot of spirituality, too.
Julie : 00:00:51 Yeah.
Julie’s influence and path as a spiritual teacher
Kimberly: 00:00:52 In reading your bio, non-judgment and neutrality, it struck me as a little bit Buddhist, or can you tell me a little bit about what your … I guess you could say yogi as well. My teacher, Yogananda, does talk a lot about neutrality. Can you tell me a little bit about your path, your spiritual teachers, your influence?
Julie : 00:01:14 Yeah, definitely. I mean, I’ve never called myself a Buddhist. I joke that a Buddhist is a little too subtle for me. I’m more for the yogi. I want the nirvana, the complete explosion of creativity. Buddhist is a little bit calm, I guess.
Kimberly: 00:01:36 A little bit stoic.
Julie : 00:01:37 It’s a little stoic. I’m looking for a little more juice. But no, no, no, I really don’t align with any -ism. No lineages. I mean, I’ve had many lifetimes in a yogi, in the Vedic lineage, an extraordinary amount of lifetimes. I am truly a yogi and carry that Vedic frequency. You mentioned Yogananda, who is a very dear ally of mine. I dedicated my house to him.
Kimberly: 00:02:08 Wow.
Julie : 00:02:08 All my land, many of my mystical journeys. I’ve had experiences with him through the veil, but never through the self-realization center. I went there once. I’d like to get initiated in Kriya. The brother told me that I had to claim Yogananda as my one and only. I said, “Well, that’s out of alignment for who I am.” They didn’t give me the Kriya initiation. But, yeah, I’ve always felt Yogananda very, very close, and have had quite a few profound experiences with him.
Kimberly: 00:02:46 Wow.
Julie : 00:02:46 That must be the link that’s …
Kimberly: 00:02:48 That’s amazing. Yeah. My whole next book is about his teachings and bringing them into the modern world.
Julie : 00:02:55 Wow. That’s amazing. How crazy. Bless you. Wow. That’s really, really gorgeous. Yeah. Actually I had an experience that was really profound and that was that I have been a singer since I was age six, in my knowingness of who I was. To the point at one time, there was a Christmas performance, and I woke up with a flu. I didn’t tell my mom because I wanted to get there and get on the stage. I couldn’t stand up. They took me to the infirmary.
Julie : 00:03:34 My first grade teacher came in to see me and it was a past life connection, my first past life connection with her. We just saw each other and knew each other from another place. Her name was Sally Brown. She came in to see me and I told her, “You’re just going to have to go on without me.” I remember her smiling and holding back her joy. But as a little six-year-old, I was serious about that.
Julie : 00:04:04 Then my whole life continued, and I never pursued music, because my older brother who’s 17 months older than I am, he is actually a rock star. He played with the Wallflowers and also with Lucinda Williams guitar player all these years later. But I made this distinction like, “Well, he’s doing music, so I’m not going to do music. I’m going to do something different.”
Julie : 00:04:26 I did everything different my entire life. But a lot of creativity, like screenwriting, and sculpting, and painting, and interior design, and fashion design and just all these things that I’ve done in my life. Then in my 40s, I suffered the breakup with a guru of mine. He was an occult master. Occult means hidden, for anybody that’s listening. We were using dark room meditations and connecting with energies beyond the veil and doing a lot of past life regression work. I did over 300 past life regression processes … two-year period.
Julie : 00:05:13 Through this, we ended up having a severance between us. Divine Mother made it very swift like she chopped my arm off without me looking. It was a very violent separation. He served me illegal summons and accused me of stealing from him, which was his following, which is ridiculous anyway. But it was just the furthest thing from what I was doing.
Kimberly: 00:05:44 That’s about as violent as you can get. Illegal. Being served.
Julie : 00:05:46 Yeah. I had met an Indian master, who I felt was a master in body, also of the Vedic lineage. I thought he was going to be very happy about this, because we had spent all this energy trying to connect with these type of beings. Instead, I was very naive. But he was very jealous and upset about it. It just shocked me. I thought we were all going to be holding hands and singing Kumbaya together.
Julie : 00:06:16 That wasn’t what he wanted. But in the end, it was actually really just as everything exactly what I needed, because I needed to get clear of that lineage immediately to move into my next step. The reason I’m telling you this process is at the end of that time, I went down to the Yogananda Ashram in San Diego.
Kimberly: 00:06:38 Yes.
Julie : 00:06:38 It’s in Encinitas. I went meditation. At the time, I had wanted to produce like a modern rock mantra musical offering. But I was not going to be the singer. I was going to find other singers and they were going to be doing it. What happened is, I went into the shop down there. There was a harmonium that I saw and it was literally getting bigger and smaller and bigger and smaller. It was calling me like, “Buy me. Buy me.” I wasn’t doing music. I wasn’t singing. I wasn’t doing anything.
Julie : 00:07:18 I didn’t have the money to buy it. It was $1,300. I didn’t buy it. I went into the silent meditation and it wouldn’t leave my consciousness. It was hurting on a wheel. I finally frustrated, went across, slapped it down on American Express, put it in the closet, showed my friend in silence. Like, “Look at what’s in my closet.” When I had this severance with my teacher, I suffered this tremendous heart ache, and it was such a separation, because I couldn’t talk to anyone about it, because it’s not that common to have this close relationship with a guru or a teacher.
Julie : 00:07:57 We had been doing all these very in-depth practices and all these type of things. I was just really suffering. In the middle of the night, I would wake up and I would play the harmonium to clear the pain, the hardness out of my heart from this breakup. That is when my music opened up, and just started riding through me.
Julie : 00:08:23 That harmonium many years later, an Indian repair-maker of harmoniums, I sent the harmonium to get repaired and he contacted me and said, “In all of my life, I have never seen a harmonium like this.”
Kimberly: 00:08:43 Wow.
Julie : 00:08:43 He said, “Can I buy it from you?” Because it’s old, it’s like from another time. It’s not like the harmoniums you see. I told him this story, and I said, “No, I’ll never let it go because it’s connected to Yogananda, and I feel as if it’s my harmonium from another lifetime, and another time … is with him.” I often say about this experience, “Was that teacher my enemy, or was he my greatest teacher?”
Julie : 00:09:11 Because from this loss, I accessed my music. Then I would go on and become a musician with my boys and which was an amazing experience for a mother. But anyway, Yogananda is very connected to me.
Kimberly: 00:09:28 Oh. Well, he probably brought us together in some way, in some vibrational level.
Julie : 00:09:36 Surely. Surely.
How to balance being an entrepreneur, a mom and still have time for the creative side in you
Kimberly: 00:09:39 Julie, we started off quite mystical which is stuff that I love to talk about. But a little bit on the practical level. You mentioned being a mom. I had to be honest. I’m trying to keep my eyes open. My five-month baby is giving me a run for my money right now. He’s … was sleeping. We have a four-year-old who’s not in … another boy who’s not in school because of COVID.
Kimberly: 00:10:02 These two boys are just the love of my life. But it’s challenging with a podcast, with a business, with writing this book. Then I look at you who looks so calm, and I know you have four children. Tell us about how you balance your work. You’re an entrepreneur. You have a company. You’re a musician. You do million things. You create all these recipes. You have cookbooks and you have four kids. How do you do it?
Julie : 00:10:34 Well, I just want to recognize you and honor you for being in the state of this beautiful mother consciousness.
Julie : 00:10:48 Yeah. I mean, really, I often work with my clients when I’m doing session work. The first thing that we need to do as mothers is to stop, and to really sit inside the divinity, the beauty that you have taken by becoming a mother. I always talk about when we become mothers there are two births that happen. It’s the birth of the baby and the birth of the mother.
Kimberly: 00:11:16 Yes.
Julie : 00:11:18 You are carrying this frequency. Before any of us achieve anything, or write any books, or take on any social causes, the fact that you exist at all is a miracle of creation. The fact that you have brought these two beautiful evolved beings into the field of humanity has uplifted all of creation. In the modern way, it’s already enough.
Julie : 00:11:50 You’re already enough. You’re more than enough. You’re being honored and valued and really met with reverence of this beautiful, beautiful stage of your life of what you’re holding. I guess what I would say is that’s the first step to how I do so much. I mean, I would say, I had a beautiful monk. Are you familiar with Vidyadhishananda?
Kimberly: 00:12:20 No.
Julie : 00:12:23 Vidyadhishananda is in body, and he’s a monastic, from the Vedic lineage, and connected to five lineages. He’s actually in Santa Barbara. He has a website called hansavedas.org. It is a pure Vedic lineage transmission. That is the most powerful of anything in body that I’ve come into contact with.
Julie : 00:12:55 At one time, he was telling me, he said, “SriMati.” He said, “Some people might find you a little overly creative. Because when you’re merged with Divine Mother, when you’re really in this frequency, we are these goddesses with all these arms.”
Julie : 00:13:17 Right. Right. Really, it’s the feminine frequency is essentially eternally creating, always. We’re never not creating. We are life-givers. This is the feminine energy in any body, whether you’re male or female. The feminine frequency is eternally creating. I think the key maybe, for me, is the self-acceptance at the beginning. Really cultivating that embodiment of who you are, the love of who you are, and the fact that you’re already perfect. You’re already realized.
Julie : 00:14:02 Then from that, I operate my … my energy flow is like a sphere. Some people they’re like, “I made a goal, and I made a list, and I’m going to go out.” Yeah. That’s very not new world for me, not new paradigm. The new paradigm is we’re in the frequency of embodiment. I share these techniques in my mentorship program, Water Tiger.
Julie : 00:14:29 Water Tiger is a way to no way, a path to no path, because every single person’s journey in life will be unique to you and you alone. You can look to Yogananda for inspiration. We can look to each other for inspiration. But ultimately, at the end of the day, there’s only one of you in the entire omniverse. There’s no one after you that’s coming to fulfill what you’re doing. As mothers, the first thing the first thing that I talk about is to recognize your mothership as your highest Sadhana.
Julie : 00:15:07 That means if there’s vomit being spewed, if there’s sleepless nights, if these hands are always on you, and you have no moment for yourself, if you’ve had challenges nursing, if you’re not feeling patient, if you’re feeling distracted, if you’re feeling lost, all of these things are your Sadhana.
Julie : 00:15:31 If you can make changing your baby’s diaper the most sacred thing in your life, if you can make being woken up repeatedly, so you’re exhausted, if you can make that your sacred path, then you transform the entire experience. You will ignite more compassion, more love, more capacity.
Julie : 00:15:59 Getting back to the sphere, because you’re a mother, and because we have to take those moments of creation when they arise. It’s almost like it’s a big moving ball of spheric energy. You just follow the flow. When the space opens up, you step into that creative expression, and then pull back in, and that flow continues, and then you step into it again. But I think it’s a lot of maybe little movements when you’re a mother, that then down the road amount to the completion of a project, let’s say.
Julie : 00:16:41 But you have to be able to take those little moments, and really embrace your motherhood as the greatest Sadhana of your life.
Kimberly: 00:16:51 Thank you, Julie. It’s beautiful to think of it in a much more, because we’re used to hearing the linear pathway versus a much more soft and, like you said, circular way. I totally agree with you that we’re on our own path. What would you say about … I’ve recently started to unpack how much our ancestral lineage can also play a part. As I become a mother, how much I’m influenced by my mother’s mothering, and she was doing her best. But she also did the opposite.
Kimberly: 00:17:26 She went back to an office when I was three weeks old. I’ve gone the other way, which is whenever my sons are awake, I’ve never had a nanny. I don’t like to hand them off. I want to be the ones with them and playing with them, which means I’m working around the clock. I’m writing till late at night and in the morning and naptime. I don’t really get to rest because I feel I started to step back and say, “Where did that idea come from?”
Kimberly: 00:17:51 It was because my mother had to always be away. Then I always want to be there. Then if I’m not, then I do have this guilt. It’s come so much from the women around me, and again, the ancestral lineage. It is my path. But then there’s this influence that I think we all feel well.
Julie : 00:18:13 I mean, this is a really important thing. In my session work, I deal with the clearing of family lines, ancestral lines of many miasms. Not something as far as a choice of where one place is, one’s energy, which you’ve just shared with me. But let’s talk about sexual molestation, addiction, abuse, very large traumas of abandonment of pain that humanity is carrying at quite a large percentage. I would say probably 92% of my clients have been sexually molested as children.
Kimberly: 00:18:53 Wow.
Julie : 00:18:54 It’s absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it is out of control what has been done to the sexual frequency of the human being, which is the most powerful and most sacred energy that we have within our life. But what I would also offer you is we do need to take responsibility to be the ones that clear the miasm, or the unease or dis-ease from the family lineage. This is the moment to clear it.
Julie : 00:19:26 A lot of times, the way that I work with people in session is I look for the biggest trauma. The thing that they’ve never really told anyone, the thing that they maybe haven’t even faced themselves, because they just brushed it over and moved on and were like, “That’s okay, I can handle that type of thing.” Because within that trauma, are the keys to your freedom. Because if you can face it and go within it, and claim your sovereign right as a free conscious being.
Julie : 00:19:59 To release that you not only heal yourself, but you heal all your generations. They say seven back, seven forward. But I’m working in a multi-dimensional model, that we are actually multi-dimensional beings having a simultaneous experience. I think the healing goes much more vast than that. How I talk to my people that come to me is, it’s a change of perspective.
Julie : 00:20:29 How about if we look at ourselves, we were so brave, and so courageous, that we agreed to incarnate into a family, constellation or grouping that would provide these evolutionary experiences, even though some of them are horrific. Because we were the ones that were like we love humanity so much, and we love the earth so much, that we’re going to go through that hell, because we’re going to take responsibility to clear it, and that’s going to clear all humanity.
Kimberly: 00:21:05 Wow.
Julie : 00:21:07 The trauma is key right now. There’s not that many. I don’t think there’s enough modalities to actually access it and clear it and truly clear that out. The other thing that I will offer you as a mother, we’re all informed by our past. We look at what happened in our own life. We’re like, “But we don’t want to do that. We’re going to be different, and do it differently.”
Julie : 00:21:34 That’s amazing. Now that I’m on the other end of motherhood, my youngest is 13, my oldest is 24. I’ve got two girls that are in their teenage moments.
Kimberly: 00:21:47 How is that going?
Julie : 00:21:49 Oh, my god. If I only could make a documentary, but they would never talk to me again. No. I mean, it’s hilariously human and lively. Every single point of emotion that you can hit on the bell curve, it’s just epic. I mean, I would just say it’s epic. Now that anytime, if you come over there, maybe some intense screaming going on, which I’ve been … I have one of my children. Mathis, who is just five people in one body. She was born that way, and she rocked my world.
Julie : 00:22:29 That’s why I homeschooled my girls and created an educational system and book and a memoir, which I haven’t finished, because I’m at the end of that. I still haven’t come through the experience. I need to digest the whole arc, so that I can really share what’s happening. But what I’ve come to understand is that no matter what you do, no matter which path you choose, if you choose holistic food, if you choose homeschooling, your child will rebel against you, and will take their differentiation, which is a part of the human journey.
Julie : 00:23:11 Also, the part of the human journey is to experience the separation from source, which is this constriction and suffering. Excuse me. You’re at this beautiful, pristine, sweet moment of just being merged with your babies. You should just be there. I don’t want you to worry about this or whatever. But I’m just saying, just be yourself in every aspect of what you’re doing and understand that likely, your children will separate.
Julie : 00:23:47 My daughter, who we basically watched discourses on the Bhagavad Gita. She was meditating. I mean, we had this entire mutual experience. About a couple months ago, in one of her emotional moments she told me, “All of those spiritual experiences, they meant nothing to me. I just wanted to be with you. But they didn’t really mean anything to me.”
Julie : 00:24:16 I’m like, “Okay. Well, that’s amazing.” I have to deal with … I’m thinking to myself, like, “You have no idea what we went through together.” But then later, she’ll come in and tell me, “You should write a book on parenting.” She’ll come in and say, “You should have had nine children, Mom.”
Kimberly: 00:24:36 Wow.
Julie : 00:24:37 It goes through the whole thing. But I’m just saying there is no perfect way to mother or to parent. You have to allow the child to find their own truth. They will reject you at some point, which is something else I’m going to write about, because it’s this really, hilariously, horrific moment of life when you’ve been the mama … and I know all the mother’s laughing. We’ve been the mothers. I mean, look at you’ve been up all night. You’ve been woken up repeatedly, constantly. It’s superhuman what we do as mothers with the children.
Kimberly: 00:25:17 Yes.
Julie : 00:25:18 Then to think that you get to an age when you’ve been a dedicated mother present, loving, unconditional. Mathis transforming more than anybody in my entire life. I’ve been married three times and deeply in love five. But that daughter of mine, that baby just rocked my world, because she wasn’t having any of society, none of it. She’s transformed me more than anyone else. We have this deep, deep relationship.
Kimberly: 00:25:48 She is your third child or your youngest?
Julie : 00:25:51 She’s going to be 17 in a month. Yeah.
Differentiating raising boys from raising girls and is if each child is their own soul
Kimberly: 00:25:55 Julie, do you notice … No. Each child is individual, of course. But as the mother of two daughters and two sons, and I only have experience with sons, do you think there’s anything we can categorize? It is different raising boys than girls, do you notice a difference? Or do you really just see it as each child is completely their own soul?
Julie : 00:26:17 Well, I think there’s a big revolution or evolution going on in the children. What I would tell you is that my idealized idea that I was going to give birth to a girl and she was going to be like me was completely shattered, just blown into a million pieces. She looked more like her father when she was born. I think that it might be prevalent. Maybe it’s a nature thing.
Kimberly: 00:26:43 Let me say that …
Julie : 00:26:44 You say something.
Kimberly: 00:26:45 The father can recognize the child. Yeah.
Julie : 00:26:49 I don’t know. Some crazy thing like. We will change that. But no, I’m kidding. But my two girls, well, first of all, my Jaya, she’s non-binary. She does not want to be genderized, if that’s a word. She doesn’t want to be categorized. She is making me refer to her in this “They” pronoun, which I blow it every day. I call her my sweet girl every day. She’s like, “You did it again.” I’m like, “Okay, I’m sorry.”
Julie : 00:27:23 Then I tried to talk to her a little bit about, I was like, “Okay. Does this mean that are you attracted to girls?” I’m trying to figure it out. She’s like, “Mom, this has nothing to do with sexuality.” I’m like, “Okay. Just teach me because it’s very confusing.” She’s non-binary. She’s very, very, very unique, a very gentle soul, unconditionally loving with old people and animals beyond.
Julie : 00:27:54 She’s an amazing actress. Stole the stage. Shocked everyone. I had no idea many times. She has very limited energy. She’s what’s called a projector in human design. I don’t know. Are you familiar with human design?
Kimberly: 00:28:10 A little bit. Yes. She’s a projector type.
Julie : 00:28:14 She’s a projector. She has limited energy, which means she can only really learn for five hours at a time. If she goes to a party, it takes her a week to recover.
Kimberly: 00:28:25 Wow.
Julie : 00:28:26 She likes to be in her own room, her own space. She likes to eat food alone. It was quite expansive to get her chart read to really understand because all the rest of us we’re all generators. You’re probably a generator. We’re 70% of the human population, which means we have endless energy. We’re always creating, always doing things.
Kimberly: 00:28:51 Yes.
Julie : 00:28:51 We have one projector in our family, and also my nephew, Harry is also a projector. Their entire purpose of life is completely different than ours. That’s important. I think this is important as mothers to get your Vedic chart read for your children, and to get a human design reading for your children so you know who you’re raising, because not all of us are the same.
Julie : 00:29:13 Rich will be like, “I’m worried about them, worried about them. Are they okay?” I’m like, “Jaya, is not like us. She is not like us. Stop trying to make her like us.” Then Mathis, she’s five energies in one body. She’s not a typical girl profile. I think I got two very unique girls that are new prototypes or …
Kimberly: 00:29:46 Wow.
Julie : 00:29:47 … new like of people. Yeah.
Kimberly: 00:29:49 It was boy, boy, girl, girl?
Julie : 00:29:51 Right. Excuse me. It’s a different dad. Somebody said, “How did you get two boys and two girls?” I’m like, “Different dad.” Yeah, my boys were just textbooks, amazing, easy. But my girls are not easy, but not for the typical stereotypical reasons.
Kimberly: 00:30:22 You said they separate from us. They reject us. Even as consciously as we try to raise them, would you say, Julie, that every child has some form of trauma. I mean, there’s the obvious trauma, there’s the sexual molestation, or the physical abuse. But then as I go down this pathway of trauma, it comes in many forms, maybe being ignored, being a latchkey kid for many years is a kind of trauma, these subtle forms.
Kimberly: 00:30:49 Do you think no matter how well we try to raise them, there is … I don’t say we screw them up. But there’s trauma that they experience, because that’s their soul’s journey.
Julie : 00:31:01 I think it is a human journey to experience the separation. You know what I mean? Listen, the life is vast. It could be an amazing relationship that you could have a mother, child that are just in love with each other until the death. That’s totally happens. You know what I mean? But I would say that everyone came to experience the separation. You will find the trauma in the life no matter what the life looks like. You know what I mean?
Julie : 00:31:36 You’re looking for that contrast, so that you can find out who you are. But what I will say is I do feel that from age birth until seven, eight, or nine, you have all the influence to give them unconditional love, good nourishing food, healthy relationship with electronics, close relationship with nature. You have those years. After age 12, you don’t have that anymore. They’re not really listening to you.
Kimberly: 00:32:12 It’s their foundational?
Julie : 00:32:14 Yeah. It’s foundational. In my homeschooling model, it’s more of an unschooling model. I really feel passionately. I never use that word. I feel strongly about allowing someone to feel themselves, to find themselves. For instance, Mathis as a baby, she would stay up till 1:00 in the morning. Rich and I were all exhausted. Our three-year-old would be like, “Good night.” Leave her in her space. She was very, very sensitive, extremely sensitive.
Julie : 00:32:55 She definitely was likely on a spectrum, but I never had her diagnosed because I didn’t want her to have that reality. I made a world that said, “Yes” to her as much as possible, and kept no medication, did it with essences, and foods, and a lot of work for me, a lot of presence for me. I feel like Mathis didn’t let go of me for eight years. It was a victory. She required a lot of me.
Pursuing creative projects
Kimberly: 00:33:26 Was that a time in your life, Julie, where you weren’t able to pursue more as many of your creative projects? Did that come later, or were you still writing at that time, and doing your music?
Julie : 00:33:38 Well, I was going through financial collapse over a nine-year period with four children and Rich. We were in a process of transformation. It was a deeply spiritual time of mine. You might say that on the surface. But actually, my music came through me and I recorded two albums with my boys during that seven-year process.
Julie : 00:34:04 I gave birth to my fourth child during that process. I created an art show. I had an art gallery showing with these massive tree photos that I did, that were 4 by 10 feet.
Kimberly: 00:34:19 Wow.
Julie : 00:34:20 I managed to sneak in creativity. But when I was pregnant with Jaya, I was so sick with all my kids when I was pregnant. I was so sick with Jaya that I wasn’t okay for seven months. I couldn’t even unload the dishwasher. I was just in agony. Then I woke up and I was like, “Oh, I feel okay. I better shoot the album cover for my first album because I wanted to do it with me.”
Julie : 00:34:48 I was body painted like a tree and superimposed into this tree and I’m pregnant with Jaya. It’s the cover of Mother of Mine which is on Spotify and iTunes. I did manage that. I think I managed some very profound expressions of creativity. But it was a lot of vomit, and sleepless nights, diapers.
Kimberly: 00:35:13 Yeah.
Julie : 00:35:14 Just the whole thing. I mean, it’s superhuman. I’m [crosstalk 00:35:16]
Kimberly: 00:35:17 … life.
Julie : 00:35:19 It’s so incredible. It’s so, so, so incredible. Just to share with you like a little window. Now Mathis, like the other day … Mathis decided to … I fostered art in Mathis because she loved art. When she showed interest, instead of getting her a little paper, I got her a huge canvas, a four by eight foot pallet, and just let her go crazy on it. She would be painting in her underwear, and she wrecks every space she gets into.
Julie : 00:35:52 I mean, she has a studio now here that she lives in. It’s 600 square feet, and it’s just full of concrete and rebar and sculpture and paint and glass. I mean, she lives in her artist studio. It’s so messy. It’s beyond my mess quotient. I can’t even deal with it. But anyway, she got herself into one of the most prominent art schools in the country. It’s called LACHSA. She was completely unschooled until fourth grade.
Julie : 00:36:26 Then she found this school and she applied and she worked a year and a half on her portfolio and got into the fine art department. But the challenge is that it’s very academic. They have academic from 8:00 to 12:00, and then art from 12:00 to 4:00. She’s suffering because the academia is not in her divine design. She’s a multi-dimensional being. She can’t do one, two, three, four. But she’s making herself do one, two, three, four.
Julie : 00:36:55 It’s brutal for her. She’s not sleeping, but she loves the art and she’s not missing. She’s told me, “Mom, I need it. I wish you had gotten me a diagnosis.” But she just wants the diagnosis so the teachers have more patience with her. She doesn’t want to take medication.
Kimberly: 00:37:14 Right.
Julie : 00:37:17 She’s happy with some of the choices that I made. Then she’s having trouble with. She’s in a very diverse community. She has friends all over the city in LA. LA is a huge city. She judges us for being privileged. Yeah. That’s another thing. But I’m really inspired. She’s got a great social conscience. I think she’s going to go into a new form of politics.
Julie : 00:37:51 I just know this clairvoyantly through an Oracle that I work with. She’s got tremendous heart, but she’s like a hurricane. Literally, like a hurricane. That’s my daughter.
Kimberly: 00:38:03 Wow. I love how you say this with a smile and all the hilarious … the words you use to really see the humor in it. It’s so inspiring, honestly. I just feel my shoulders dropping when just to talk to other mothers that are doing it and in that mix. The children are themselves. We do our best. But it’s going to unfold the way their life path is also meant to unfold for their learning.
Julie : 00:38:30 It is and we have these moments and lots of tears, and especially the pandemic. I mean, oh, bless our children, all of us. Can you imagine being a teenager in a pandemic? I mean, it’s the absolute worst thing possible for that age.
Kimberly: 00:38:49 Oh, sure.
Julie : 00:38:51 Right? But I know when Mathis has her moments, and we’re crying and we’re sitting in the car, having these emotionally heated conversations. I feel her pain, and I believe in her. There’s nothing she has to do to prove herself to me. I already know who this being is. I know who she is. I just tell her, “I’m so good with me. I’m so good with myself,” because I gave her everything I had, literally.
Julie : 00:39:30 Not in a way of sacrificing myself. I didn’t. But I literally designed a motherhood relationship with my kids. It was my biggest offering of devotion and love and creativity. They’re going to be unhappy with some of that. But at the end of the night, I told her, it’s like, “I can die now, and I am so good with me.”
How to preserve your self-care and creative pursuits while being a full-time mom
Kimberly: 00:39:54 I love it. That’s level of confidence. How do you do that? Then you said you didn’t sacrifice. How were you able to preserve your self-care, your time with your husband, your creative pursuits with … because there are times I have to admit where I do feel like I’m sacrificing right now. I’m sacrificing sleep. I’m sacrificing any free time. I mean, I don’t use that word. But it’s a lot. It’s a conscious choice and a decision I’m making.
Kimberly: 00:40:28 But I do feel at times in this period, I am feeling a little lost within myself. I don’t know if I’d use the word sacrifice. But I’m struggling with a balance. I feed them. I make all these things. Sometimes I think, “Oh my god, I forgot to feed myself.”
Julie : 00:40:45 Oh, yeah. That’s an amazing thing. How many times any mothers who are listening to this, how many times I had a fork on my way to my mouth, actually in transit to my mouth, and it never made it there.
Kimberly: 00:41:02 Exactly.
Julie : 00:41:03 Right?
Kimberly: 00:41:03 Exactly. How do we do it? How do we give the love and not sacrifice the self?
Julie : 00:41:09 It’s very, very challenging. I mean, it’s not easy. I think it’s harder in today’s society, because we used to have villages. We used to have extended families around that would help out. I didn’t have two husbands that were mister, moms, neither one of them. I mean, Rich wasn’t it and neither was Lou. I was the mom. Actually the name of my new band is called Mom God.
Kimberly: 00:41:39 I love that.
Julie : 00:41:40 Isn’t that a great name?
Kimberly: 00:41:42 Amazing.
Julie : 00:41:43 Yeah. Because as a mom, you’re god, you are god. Because your children, Rich would be in the kitchen, and he would like get a cookie. They would be like, “Mom, can Rich have a cookie?” Literally. I would just laugh because they were just like, “She’s the god of our universe. She says what it is about every single thing.” I guess what I would say is, if you really can embody that in a devotional way … Somebody asked me a question about discipline.
Julie : 00:42:16 They’re like, “I’m not disciplined, and you’re so disciplined, and you do prayers and spiritual fires in the middle of the night.” The thing is, is I’m the most undisciplined person I know. I hate discipline. I don’t live any two days the same way ever, never. I don’t even really know … I have this map of all the things that I’m working on. Then I feel into the energy of the moment of what is appropriate. I might not know if I’m going to somebody’s event until five minutes before I’m leaving.
Kimberly: 00:42:53 You live by intuition?
Julie : 00:42:55 Total intuition and total guidance. I do want to just give a little teeny gentle word of caution. About being a mom with little babies, when you’re trying to hit the modern world in such an expressed way, you know what I mean, and not giving time for you. I will tell you that if you do not take care of your body, and if you do not make time for your body, your body will get your attention.
Kimberly: 00:43:29 Yes. I’m already starting to feel that with the headaches and the pain. It’s coming. It’s made me step back. Just this week, Julie, to think, “Oh, gosh, maybe I’m going to move the baby out of our bed now that he’s about six months, almost six months.” Yeah. The body will talk.
Julie : 00:43:49 You have to. Also to understand, I think another thing that might be helpful to moms is this time is so precious. So, so precious. You’ll never get these moments back.
Kimberly: 00:44:05 Yeah.
Julie : 00:44:06 You’ll never get that moment when that consciousness is looking at you in the middle of the night through those pristine eyes. It is a grace and an honor and a privilege for you to be a mother and to be a mother of healthy babies. To be a mother at this moment in the planetary precession and transformation, it’s not like any other time in history.
Julie : 00:44:35 I want to remind you that a life takes many years to become my dear. It’s not happening this year. Your maturity, your awareness of spirituality, your embodiment, your ability to be a wayshower is not realizing this week, this year, two years. It takes a life to become an entire life. I thought I was going to be doing everything that I’m almost doing when I was 30. I’m 58 years old right now.
Julie : 00:45:13 Now, it is like I’ve never been more fit, more embodied, more creative, more aligned with who I am. What I would offer to everyone is what is more beautiful than a being that knows itself, a being that at home?
Bringing sisterhood back together versus competition, duality and separation
Kimberly: 00:45:39 Julie, I’m obsessed with your energy. I just can’t stop staring at you. I can’t help but ask. We talked a lot about the mother aspect. But just you as a woman, you in your confidence, in your presence, there’s a lot for … take out the mother aspect. But for women today, we live in a very image-focused society, social media, Instagram, which, I say, comparing often leads to contrasting, which often leads to competition amongst women, and cattiness, and taking little digs, all this.
Kimberly: 00:46:15 The sisterhood has been in many ways disrupted very much in modern times. What would you say to women about that love and that beingness and bringing sisterhood back together versus competition and duality and separation?
Julie : 00:46:35 Yeah. Well, I feel that very, very strongly as an issue in our culture. It’s been propagated or, I don’t know if that’s the right word, but it’s been put into the field. Because we were taught that the most important thing is to get a man. I once made a comment early. I don’t know. I said, “I have this idea for a screenplay. It’s about five best friends, that were best friends at children, and how you follow them through their life, and how they all deceived and betrayed each other.”
Julie : 00:47:16 Somebody said, “Oh, that’s so negative.” I was like, “It’s actually not negative. It’s just true.” It’s just actually true. I could also say that as a being, I’ve been energetically created to do a lot of transformation with the masculine. I did it with my husband. I’ve counseled a lot of men over the years. I mean, they come to me for the transformation. Even Rich has seen it over the years. It’s like, he’s just … it’s remarkable how many men come to me.
Kimberly: 00:47:47 Wow.
Julie : 00:47:51 I’ve never really been in the girls club. I was never really invited into the girls club until I had children. When I had children, then I was invited in and it was a very, very sweet. It was a very amazing experience. But I think what happens is that we’ve fallen into this narrative, and it comes without giving to ourselves first. Listen, I’m an artist. I create beauty in my life. I care very much about the way that I look. I spend time taking care of my skin. I eat well. I do whatever I can that’s noninvasive.
Julie : 00:48:36 I’m fully embodying youth in my form. That’s part of my mission. My daughter last night, she filmed me for a school project. I had no makeup on. It was in her dirty studio. I was like, “Let me see.” She’s like, “You look beautiful.” She’s like, “All my friends are just going to talk about how young you look. That’s all they talk about all the time.” I was like, “Okay, I’ll take that for my 17-year-old.
Kimberly: 00:49:01 I love it.
Julie : 00:49:02 A little more. But I guess, I think that every single thing comes down to giving yourself what you need first. One of the practices that I do in Water Tiger is mirror gazing. The most profound practice that we can do is sit in front of a mirror and gaze at the third eye point, between the eyebrows and up, maybe an inch, maybe a half inch, and actually fix your gaze and breathe and be present with what is.
Julie : 00:49:38 Naked is best to really get clear with what is the technology that you’re sitting in, and can use to start to receive yourself as an emanation of divinity, and can you vow to yourself the way that you have to your children. Can you make your own inner child, your human form, your heart, your tender heart? Can you make that the most important relationship of your life, more important than your children, more important than your husband?
Julie : 00:50:20 Every single decision that you make should be considering that child first. Because if you continue to ignore her, and you take care of your kids, take care of your husband, take care of your social media following, write the book, then have friendships. Where is she? Have you talked to her? What is she need? What is nurturing for her? What is the most supportive for her?
Julie : 00:50:50 If you don’t take care of her, she’s going to become sick. She’s going to become angry, resentful, hurt. Then that is what you’re going to be sharing with your children. It’s like we have it backwards. Just with spirituality. It’s I’m going to do everything on my list, and then last spirituality. No. It’s the other way around. It’s spiritual connection first, and then you second.
Julie : 00:51:20 It’s very confusing, because we’ve been taught to believe that sacrificing ourselves means that we are pleasing, nice. What I want to say, altruistic. No. It’s not. Sacrificing yourself is not spiritually divine. It is in fact the opposite. You are in this life in this body. The more we can develop that sacred connection, then suddenly, when we are taking care of ourselves, then we can be a sister, then we can, because we’re so full. We’re just so full.
Julie : 00:52:07 There’s no pain. There is no competition. There’s no competition when you’re seated inside yourself. There’s only one of you in the entire omniverse. The eagle isn’t trying to convince the deer that it’s better to have wings than it is to have hooves.
Kimberly: 00:52:29 All that separation comes from the pain and the wounds within that person that’s not loving themselves enough?
Julie : 00:52:36 Yeah. You hear it in every single spiritual tradition. It’s the seeker went on the journey and found out it was inside all along. I mean, that story. I would say that how many of us can look at ourselves in the mirror and say, “I love you?” Or how many of us can look at ourselves in the mirror and say, you are divine. You are an emanation of God consciousness. I love you. I receive you. I serve you. I celebrate you. Thank you.
Julie : 00:53:07 Thank you for breathing for me. Thank you for allowing me to have this podcast with Kimberly. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Instead, we’re saying, “Oh, I got a gray hair coming in. Oh, wait, I see a wrinkle. Oh, I shouldn’t have eaten that cake.”
Kimberly: 00:53:26 Oh, she’s just skinnier than me.
Julie : 00:53:28 Yeah. Look how pretty she is. Look how pretty they are. Oh, I wish I had blue eyes. I mean, if you and I were having lunch together for the first time. If I spent our time together telling you that I wish you had … your hair is okay, but I wish it was red. I met this other person who had really beautiful eyes that were blue. I think like, “Do you think you would have lunch with me again?” No. You wouldn’t. But we talk to ourselves that way every day.
Kimberly: 00:54:00 Totally.
Julie : 00:54:01 Thoughts are things. We are shaping our reality. If you want the world to celebrate, you celebrate yourself. If you want the world to receive you, as a divine creator, then be a divine creator and be in your beingness. In that beingness and that embodiment and that alignment, you become this magnetic beacon, basically. No one can take it from you.
Julie : 00:54:28 No one can take away your blueprint of what your divinity made you to be. There’s only one of you in the entire multiverse. For goodness sakes, how precious is that?
Kimberly: 00:54:42 Wow.
Julie : 00:54:43 So precious. It’s not about anyone else outside of you, because there’s only one like you. Yet humanity is always trying to find this consensus, these incessant conversations on podcasts of what’s the right diet? What’s the right dress? I mean, it’s so ridiculous.
Kimberly: 00:55:08 It is. I wish every human, every being could hear your message, and really take it to heart. Because you think about how much time is spent, and also elevating celebrity, and fame, and all these people trying to look like someone else, and to be like someone else, instead of turning the energy inward.
Julie : 00:55:28 Yes.
Kimberly: 00:55:29 Really fostering that inner life.
Julie : 00:55:33 What a beautiful life? What a beautiful the force, let’s say the breath that is breathing all of us, created us, each completely individual. There’s no two one of us alike. No two one life form is alike. Our mission is to know ourselves. How awesome is that? Here, I’m 58. My mission every day is to embody more of who I am fully. I am exploring my body as a work of art, as a work of divine technology.
Julie : 00:56:14 The more that I can express art through every level of what I’m doing, that feels like success if you were going to say, success, or maybe realization in terms that you and I resonate more. But it’s the realization of who you are, of all those unique attributes that make you unique. When realized, blesses the whole. Spontaneously blesses the whole.
Julie : 00:56:50 Some people might hear me and they’re confused, because they’re thinking I’m talking about a narcissistic journey. No. It’s beyond the personality. I was telling somebody, I was talking to my son yesterday. We took a drive together. He’s 24. I was talking to him about all of the seeking, you’re a fellow seeker. We have this thing that makes us search for the spiritual, search for that.
Julie : 00:57:24 I was laughing at my ego once when I was going through financial collapse. I was being judged harshly, and also transforming the planet and my family and my daughter who was on the spectrum and my husband and fighting for my house, which I won in the end after five years of not being paid for it.
Julie : 00:57:44 But during the time in a down moment, my ego wanted to be realized. I was like, “This is going to turn and they’re going to see that I was right. I wanted to be verified in my ego, because I was in so much pain.” Then I contemplated a little further and then I laughed, because I realized that when I was at that point that my ego wouldn’t need it anymore. When I came to that level of realization, there would no longer be that aspect of ego.
Julie : 00:58:18 Then there would never be a realization for the ego. I just had to laugh, and go, “That’s so funny.” I don’t know if that answered your question.
Kimberly: 00:58:29 It more than answered it. It more than answered it, Julie. I could literally bask in your magnetism forever, and drink by the water because it’s different when you hear people talking about it versus embodying it. I guess the last aspect I want to ask you about is how you take that being talked about it in motherhood, being within yourself, and then how you take it into the business world.
Kimberly: 00:58:58 As an entrepreneur myself, and I’m always introspecting and thinking how can I be the best leader to my team? I know you have, is it SriMu, am I saying it right?
Julie : 00:59:08 SriMu. Yeah. SriMu.
Kimberly: 00:59:10 … is amazing vegan cheese company and other ventures. How do you take that into leadership where there’s goals that you had your own deadlines, there’s practicalities, and then there’s also the individual light in essence with each person. I try to allow space for each person to have their own creative ways of doing things.
Kimberly: 00:59:34 But of course, there are some practicalities. Projects that need to be done and deadlines again. What advice would you have to maintain that presence in the business world?
Julie : 00:59:47 Yeah. That’s a good question. Well, I mean, again, it’s everything that I do is for the expression of divinity. SriMu is a global mission of awakening. I believe it is a frequency and it is. My friend, [Inqu 01:00:07], gave me a beautiful quote after he received SriMu. He said, “SriMati, after I ate SriMu, I felt like a better person.
Kimberly: 01:00:17 Wow.
Julie : 01:00:20 Everything the way that I formed the company is from a spiritual point of connection. I have certain rituals and certain company practices. For instance, in SriMu, first of all, the titles of my team, the people that make the cheese are called Sacred Makers. I made them Sacred Makers. I didn’t make them achieve anything to receive the title of Sacred Maker. I gave them the name first and allowed them to live into it.
Julie : 01:00:58 Whoever touches the food, as we know in Vedic lineage, is they are the highest vibration, the most important people. Because who makes your food is the greatest ingredient in the food that you’re eating.
Kimberly: 01:01:09 Yes.
Julie : 01:01:11 We have a company practice that we take 13 breaths in presence before we touch the cheese. Everybody comes in, and they breathe either on their own or in a group. It’s a way to, again, bring this reverence of this connection with nature. We also have nature sounds infused in the kitchen along with orange blossom essences that are diffused into the air. We try to really be conscious of why we’re doing SriMu. SriMu is an impact company.
Julie : 01:01:45 It is serving our bodies, our children’s future, our planet and our animals. It is a mission of nonviolence. It’s a mission of sustainability for the planet, and a mission of health and love of the body. My job is as the spiritual head, I do a lot of alchemy and a lot of fires. I use the element of fire. I use this in conjunction with the business. I have spiritual practices that I use as a framework.
Julie : 01:02:29 That then the other technical or practical issues come in under that. The same way that I was just talking about spirituality is not the last thing. It’s the first thing. I begin with that framework to create that container. Then I have some really extraordinary teammates. My managers are called Flowmasters. They’re Chloe Stein, Bekah Rife, and Aaron O’Neill.
Julie : 01:02:58 They are just a dream team of … Chloe’s a nutritionist, chef, vegan chef. Bekah is a vegan chef, but has a lot of experience in tech. She’s also a desert whisperer. Then Aaron is a production master. I don’t know. They’re pretty mature. They believe in the mission. They’re devoted to the mission.
Julie : 01:03:25 This is the other thing. It really is a planetary mission. It’s not just like, “I’m Julie and I want you to work for me.” It’s like we were all serving, creating a new timeline on planet Earth. I think that that mission orientation when it’s true makes all the difference in a business.
Kimberly: 01:03:50 Yeah. It’s anchoring everyone around the central purpose, which is so much bigger than each individual.
Julie : 01:03:56 Yeah. Exactly. Also in a business sense, is that I have given each of them equity in the business as well. I mean, Chloe and Bekah worked with me for three months ahead of time. Aaron came in and he’s just been a master at production. This is a big, big, big vision, and I can’t do it alone. They are key people that are on the ground. They’re actually making the cheese.
Julie : 01:04:28 They’re not management or executive team. It was important to me to include them and stream them in that way. It’s theirs as well
Kimberly: 01:04:39 Wow. It’s so beautiful, Julie. You have such an incredible energy. I feel so honored to have this conversation with you and to share it out. What is the best way for people to get in touch with you or to learn more? You mentioned, Water Tiger and then SriMu.
Julie : 01:04:58 I have my global website which is juliepiatt.com, J-U-L-L-I-E-P-I-A-T-T .com. You can find everything on that site. But if you’d like to check out the cheese flavors directly and see everything about my devotional offerings for life, they are artisanal, amazing, fall down on the floor high end, black labeled cheese. It’s srimu.com, S-R-I-M-U .com.
Julie : 01:05:26 Yeah. If you’re looking for some mentorship, I have a monthly Water Tiger group. It is a way to no way. I am not advocating interaction between the group because we have enough external things that are pushing us or pulling our attention. But it’s about connecting you with the truth of who you are. There are techniques of embodiment that are my own, over my years of working in Vedic traditions, yoga, breathing, meditations, activations.
Julie : 01:05:58 Those are visualizations that you can do at your own pace. There’s no order. It’s a sphere. You can jump in and pick what works for you. Just make your life a success because you are the one you’ve been waiting for. I believe in all of us. I believe in you to find your way into living your most authentic expression of life. Because how could it be otherwise you’re a divine emanation of consciousness?
Julie : 01:06:30 That’s my message that we are beyond enough. We are so much more than we know. I’m sharing my life experience with the devoted intent that it may help you to find your own truth. I am not a guru. I am not accepting responsibility for anyone else’s life. I have many creative expressions that are still waiting to come. But it’s an honor and a privilege and a pleasure to have this moment with you, Kimberly. Thank you so much.
Kimberly: 01:07:04 Thank you so much, Julie.
Kimberly: 03:02 All right, Beauties. Well, I hope you enjoyed hearing from Julie as much as I did. She is such a wise teacher, a woman that has embodied this concept of self-love, which I think is, perhaps, the most fascinating thing about her and the reason I just loved this interview and love talking to her. We will be back here Thursday for our next Q&A podcast. Be sure to head over to mysolluna.com for the show notes. If you’ve never checked out the show notes, we have links to articles and information and other podcasts and products and things that you may be interested in. There’s a lot of rich content over in the show notes, as well as recipes and meditations and lots of other things. I send you so much love, so much gratitude. Thank you so much for being part of our community, it means the world to me. I will see you over there. I’ll see you on social @_KimberlySnyder. Until then, lots and lots of love.