This week’s topic is: A Holistic Approach to Help You Stay Healthy with Dr. Frank Lipman
I am so excited to have my very special guest, Dr. Frank Lipman, a best-selling author, founder of Eleven Eleven Wellness Center and the Chief Medical Officer at The Well, and recognized as a vocal pioneer of integrative and functional medicine (or what he calls “good medicine”). Listen in as Dr. Lipman shares why, how we respond to illness and stress matters, cleansing for detoxification, inflammation and where our focus should be, and holistic lifestyle tips for staying healthy.
- Dr. Lipman shares why he’s pursued a holistic approach to medicine versus Western medicine…
- Illness and stress and why how we respond to those stresses matters…
- How much of a role cleansing has in detoxification…
- A few misconceptions that Dr. Lipman debunks…
- Protein and how much is too much…
- Where our focus should be when it comes to inflammation…
- Tips to help you stay healthy as you chronologically get older…
- The benefits of cold temperatures and your body…
About Dr. Frank Lipman
Recognized as a vocal pioneer of integrative and functional medicine (or what he calls “good medicine”), Dr. Frank Lipman is the founder of Eleven Eleven Wellness Center and the Chief Medical Officer at The Well. He is the best-selling author of seven books — Better Sleep, Better You, The New Rules of Aging Well, How to Be Well, The New Health Rules, Young & Slim for Life, Revive,Total Renewal.
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Kimberly: 00:00 Hi, Beauties and welcome back to our Monday interview podcast, where we have a very special guest today, Dr. Frank Lipman, he is a vocal pioneer of integrative and functional medicine or what he calls good medicine. He’s a bestselling author, founder of the 11, 11 wellness center and chief medical officer at the well, he is someone I’ve heard about his work for many years. And as I mentioned at the beginning of this podcast, we were in an article together and it was for Vogue years ago. And I started saying, oh, who is this? Dr. Frank Lipman. So he’s a really interesting person, an amazing doctor.
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Interview with Dr. Frank Lipman
Kimberly: 00:26 Frank it’s so it’s so wonderful to have you on here. I first heard of you years ago in this Vogue article where we were both mentioned. Um, if you remember this editor, her name was Sarah Brown and she wrote this story about cleansing and she, you know, she included something about me and she included something about you. And then I said, oh, who is this? Dr. Dr. Frank Lipman. And then I started to look into some of your work and I, you know, this was years ago, I was really interested in your integrative approach. And here we are today having this podcast. So it’s great to connect finally.
Dr. Lipman: 01:03 Good, wonderful. To connect to. Yeah.
Kimberly: 01:06 So tell me a little bit, I, you know, I’m always interested when, you know, we come across a doctor, which in this day and age is, um, you know, getting, getting to be a little bit less of a, you know, phenomenon. But when, when we come across a doctor who is more integrated in their approach and is talking about, you know, the individuality and also the different layers, the human, um, and I know in your clinic, you, you work with psychotherapy and acupuncture and you’re integrating Eastern and Western. How did you, um, get interested in this more holistic approach versus just a Western approach to medicine?
Dr. Lipman shares why he’s pursued a holistic approach to medicine versus Western medicine
Dr. Lipman: 01:44 Well, you know, I’m an old man. I started this a long time ago. I qualified as a physician in South Africa in 1979. So that’s 40 odd years ago. Um, and I started getting interested in, in a more holistic approach then. Um, part of it was my exposure to traditional healers in, in South Africa, her, when we couldn’t help some of the patients, the traditional healers would help on. And I started realizing the shortcomings of Western medicine. So I started looking into homeopathy and before immigrated to the states. Um, and I started being aware of acupuncture and other ways of, of helping people because when I was working in a private practice in Johannesburg, South Africa in 1981, I who know somewhere around there, um, people were getting better with, with problems that I couldn’t help as a physician. Um, and then same thing happened. I went to work in ocean, South Africa.
Dr. Lipman: 02:52 I saw the same thing when we couldn’t help the patient, the local heal that San Goma would sometimes help the patient. So when I immigrated to the United States in 1984, and I had to do a residency program to get a license here three years, I started in the south Bronx, uh, cuz that’s, who would sponsor me for a green card Lincoln hospital. Um, and very soon after my started my training in internal medicine, I was very disillusioned with the way medicine was practiced here because in South Africa we had to take a good history and examine a patient. We didn’t have all the, this money to, to spend, uh, to, to test everyone, right. So really speak to people and develop a relationship. And in America it was very diff very different. And I, uh, said to my wife in 1984, I dunno what I’m gonna do.
Dr. Lipman: 03:42 I still wanna be a doctor here. And there happened to be an acupuncture clinic in, at Lincoln attached to Lincoln hospital in the south Bronx in the eighties, started in the seventies, I think, where they were doing acupuncture for detox. Mm. So I went to check it out and, um, long story, short, long story short, I fell in love with acupuncture. Um, got me interested in acupuncture, Chinese medicine. And, um, you know, I was living two lives in the mid eighties. I was doing my residency doing, you know, crisis care and seeing the wonders of Western medicine for hard attacks and broken bones and acute, uh, pneumonias. And then at the same time at the acupuncture clinic, I saw that the Chinese medicine was helping people who we couldn’t help people who were tired, couldn’t poop. And they had headaches. So early on in the mid eighties, I realized the future of medicine would be some combination of the two. So that’s where it started. And then I went on to study meditation and yoga and whatever would help my patients.
Kimberly: 04:48 Wow. What, what an incredible story. Can we go back to for a moment to the healers in, in Africa, Frank, because we hear a lot about, you know, Chinese medicine we hear about Ayurveda, we don’t hear so much about the traditional practices in, in Africa. Were they working with herbs or like what? Yeah,
Healers in Africa and their methods of healing
Dr. Lipman: 05:04 Well, you know, I, I, you know, was brainwashed by, by the system. I didn’t really take them that seriously. I mean, I, I don’t even know what they were working. I didn’t know what they were working with originally. I just saw that patients were getting better after they came in. When I was working in the Bush, I actually started getting friendy with, with some, with one in particular. And I mean, when I look back at it, it was a, um, a mixture there. They had herbs because they used to give out herbs. Yes. But a lot of it was psychological. A lot of it was belief in them. I, I, when I’m looking back, I think, and the same as we believe in doctors, as, you know, doctors are gonna help us. Lot of medicine is placebo, placebo, not in a bad way, but placebo, you know, you get better when you believe, if you believe something, you tend to get better. And I think that was part of it, you know, as a Dali says, the three most important aspects of healing are the belief of the practitioner, the belief of the patient and the calmer, the relationship between the two. So I think that was part of it, but they, they had a whole, they had a lot of herbs that they used. I still don’t know what those herbs are.
Kimberly: 06:15 It’s true. I think, you know, in, in modern medicine and I, I know, you know, this better than anyone it’s so fast, the way patients are often treated and sort of pushed out, it’s almost like this assembly line. And there isn’t that deep confidence sometimes that you can really establish in your, in your treatment in your practitioner. And so, you know, it can, it can look good on pain, but there is this human aspect, this energy aspect that isn’t. So, you know, you can’t just put it on a chart.
Dr. Lipman: 06:45 Yeah. I think the, the, the human aspect is definitely lacking, but it’s also the way we see the body. Or we have a very narrow reductionist way of looking at the body, you know, ifs, someone has a symptom, you try suppress a symptom instead of seeing why that, that symptom is there. You know, as a, you know, the metaphor is uses, you’re driving your car and the oil light goes on. You don’t put a bandaid over the oil light. You see why the oil light went on in Western medicine. We just put a bandaid over the oil light. And we, we don’t have this belief in, in, in Western medicine that the body can heal itself. Or we, we don’t have ways to, to, to stimulate self-healing or, or ways that the body can actually heal itself. So which most other cultures, most other therapeutic systems do have. So I think there are couple of you shoes that I see as a problem in Western medicine. And I’m all with, you know, I I’m all for crisis. I’m not against, um, crisis care medicine and Western medicine’s wonderful at that, but I do think we fall short with when we are dealing with chronic problems and, and most of the problems that people have today,
Kimberly: 07:56 I notice that you’re, um, 11, 11, well, this clinic center, you, you talk about stress management a lot. And, you know, and I don’t know as much about traditional Chinese medicine. I’ve studied Ayurveda where, you know, in the, in the consultations, the Ayurveda doctors will ask people about their mental health, you know, their stress levels, what’s going on with them. How do you integrate that in your work? Like, let’s say, someone’s coming to you with chronic IBS or, you know, whatever issue it is, how do you start to pick apart the emotional aspect, the stress part of it. And do you believe that most illness does start there with the minds in the, in our reactions and the ways that we’re living our lives?
Illness and stress and why how we respond to those stresses matters
Dr. Lipman: 08:37 Um, I don’t really see it that way. I see it as just in the other part of the body, to, to me, it’s all one. It’s not either mind or the body. I see it all one to be quite honest. So I don’t specifically to, to me, you know, they’re all different types of stresses. You can have physical stresses, you can even have emotional stresses. You it’s how we respond to those stresses. So I don’t really look at it as a separate thing. I mean, I think stress as we see it affects, you know, everything that happens in our body is that, you know, unfortunately in Western medicine, when we dunno what’s going on, or we are not sure it’s related. So I don’t really look at it that way. And, and, and interestingly enough, um, now that I’m doing more genetic, I do a very interesting genetic test, a fairly new genetic test.
Dr. Lipman: 09:26 Um, we are seeing where people can either be stress resilient or not. We can see if people are metabolizing stress, hormone, or other hormones properly. We can see if they’re metabolizing chemicals properly. So there, there, there are many, in other words, we can get a blueprint of someone from their genetic weaknesses or their genetic variants and patterns, and you combine that with the epigenetic or how they’re dealing with life and, and what’s going on. What they’re eating the stress of is that they’re exposed to. And, you know, you put all that together and you come up with a plan which will always include, you know, trying to teach people to relax or to deal with, um, you know, the emotional stress. So to me, it’s all one big package. And with this genetic testing now sort of become sort of integrated package and, and, and more personalized than ever before. So, um, uh, I, I just medicines it’s, it’s going in. Interesting direct, well, we, we, we able to get more information now where we can really personalize and target therapies.
Kimberly: 10:36 So how much, um, I, I remember reading some things about your work around detoxing and supporting the body and cleansing. And sometimes, you know, you hear people say, oh, but our bodies are already designed to detoxify. We have these detoxification organs. And of course we know we live in this world with, you know, lots of chemicals and lots of different, um, foreign matter in your work today. Frank, how much of a role does cleansing in detox? Uh, play a part when you’re working with someone, when they’re, when they’re, you know, we wanna create forward lifestyle habits, but there is all that in there already, you know, I’ll stop there, go on and off. But talk to me about cleansing in detoxification and it’s role. Sure.
How much of a role cleansing has in detoxification
Dr. Lipman: 11:18 Um, right. Uh, unfortunately detoxing has got a bad rep the name. Yes. But, um, you know, we do have a detoxification system, you know, primarily in our liver and our gut. The problem is we, we get, it gets overwhelmed by the amount of chemicals in the environment and what we eat. And in particularly in our gut and what the gut bugs produced, the metabolites of our gut bugs, you know, I I’d say in my work today, most people or a lot of people, I see have some digestive issues most frequently, it’s a CBO type thing, or some type of imbalance in the microbiome. And those metabolites produced by those bugs actually overload our detoxification system. So a lot of the, the, the toxicity is coming from within, from usually from in the gut. So my whole full over the many years, or the last 20, 30 years has sort of evolved to think that a lot of the toxic is coming from internal toxicity or metabolites produced in our gut and which then overload ID detoxification systems. And, and once again, I’ll go back to the genetics. Certain people have certain genetic variants where they’re not, they have problems with their detoxification processes. There’s a, you know, there’s a enzyme that, uh, a lot of people have a deletion for. Don’t have it, and they’re not able to metabolize toxins as well as the next person. So it’s, it’s, um, detox or the support of the gut. And the detoxification systems are often, if not always a part of what I need to get someone help healthy.
Kimberly: 13:07 And also in today’s world, you know, you look at the microplastics and fish and you look at the things that food supply, you know, we have to change our food recommendations based on what’s going on in the environment.
Dr. Lipman: 13:18 Sure. The environment’s a huge thing. You know, we are microcosms of the macrocosms. So, um, to think humans are not going to be affected by the macrocosm. The environment is crazy. So yes, I think, you know, we plastics and, um, all sorts of, um, chemicals that we exposed to are absolutely just another way that we overloading our body’s detoxification systems. Yeah. So yeah, the, this is why it’s, you know, you, you need to treat everything, you know, you need to treat all the systems to get it. None of them work independently of, of the, the other
Kimberly: 14:01 That’s. Right. So what would you say today in your work, if, if there’s one or, you know, one or a few misconceptions, you’d like people to know you’ve been doing this for so long, you’ve, you know, you’ve been at the forefront of, you know, this integrated approach. What do you, what, you know, you’ll look at the world today and you’re like, this people still believe this, or people are still harping on this. What’s one misconception that you’d love to debunk,
A few misconceptions that Dr. Lipman debunks
Dr. Lipman: 14:25 Um, that you, um, well, first of all, I would say you have more power over your health than anyone else, you know, your body better than anyone else. Um, I think, uh, doctors unfortunately have very limited knowledge about keeping people healthy. I mean, they’re very good at treating, you know, acute illnesses from, uh, pneumonia, or if you have a heart attack or you are having an asthmatic attack or whatever, but, um, a lot of times people are going to a plumber for a elec electrical problem, basically, they’re not going to the right. Yes. Practitioner. So that’s the first thing. The second thing is, um, we are all different, you know, we, there’s no one right way to treat, um, a problem. So you don’t, you shouldn’t treat the diagnosis, you should treat the person who has a particular problem. And, you know, don’t, you know, I know you are talking about stress and, and how we deal with stress. Yeah. I think that’s always important. You know, how we, how stress resilient we are, how we a able to deal with the stresses in our life absolutely affect us and sleep. Sleep needs to be taken a little bit more seriously than it’s being taken. So I don’t know, you ask for one thing, that’s a couple of things,
Kimberly: 15:54 Many different things there. I love it. And it shows, you know, the, the, the breath we have to look at things in this total way, how are we sleeping? And sure. You know, it’s only this one button that we, that we can take or one tell we can take to make everything better. One thing I get asked about a lot, Frank and I, maybe you do as well, is still feel like there’s this, you know, collective misconception that one of the, you know, biggest things to focus on from a health standpoint or from a dietary standpoint is still getting enough protein. And I feel like, you know, we’re still talking about protein and people are eating so much, so much protein, and they’re not much fiber and they’re not focusing on other things.
Protein and how much is too much
Dr. Lipman: 16:30 Well, so I think protein’s very interesting. And, um, as a general rule, if you wanna lose weight, eating more protein and less carbs, and maybe even less fat for some people is probably gonna help them lose weight. But I, my feeling on protein is we more than likely get enough protein, um, most of the time, especially from the ages of probably 20 to 60, yes, you probably don’t need more protein than you’re getting. Um, and then, you know, I just wrote a book on aging. You know, what we now know is too much animal protein can actually upgrade certain of the, the longevity or, uh, the gene regulators that may affect how well we age. So too much animal protein, especially in your maybe forties and fifties may not be a good idea, but once you get into your sixties, I’m into my sixties. Um, but once you get into your sixties and, and, and what’s important with aging is losing muscle mess. We, we may need more protein than when we were younger, but I’d say up to you, the age of 60 protein is probably not an issue unless you really wanna lose weight. Once you get into your sixties, if you’re starting to lose muscle mass, you may need a little bit more protein. Um, that’s my take on protein. Yes. You’re exercising alone and you wanna build muscle mass, maybe more protein, but I think protein as a general rule, you probably get enough of until you in your sixties is, is a general. Yeah,
Kimberly: 18:12 I I’ve been plant based for, you know, I think over 13 years. So I’m asked that question all the time and I just think, oh, it’s so for me, it’s just, it’s not a big thing. Like you, you can just fit it into me. It’s, you know, I look around on what people are eating and they’re not, you know, it’s basics. They’re not getting a lot of colors. They’re not getting a lot of fiber. They’re not getting a lot of fresh food. They’re just so focused on more protein to make themselves bigger or stronger. And it’s, I feel like it’s one of those deep, deep, you know, um, misconceptions and nutrition that we’re still talking about here in 2022, you know, it’s like, there’s other, there’s other parts to our health rather than, you know, other than protein.
Dr. Lipman: 18:49 Sure.
Kimberly: 18:51 So let’s talk about inflammation for a moment, Frank, and I know that, you know, uh, looking at your work, I know you talk about this and, you know, it’s, we’re starting to learn more and more about the chronic states of inflammation that people are in day to day. What would you say? I mean, there’s the obvious ones, like sugar and stress, but what do you, how do you think, you know, people inflame they’re they’re themselves. We know we’re total being so emotionally, physically, spiritually, what do you think are some of the, the big factors that people aren’t really focusing on?
Where our focus should be when it comes to inflammation
Dr. Lipman: 19:20 Right. Well, from a physical perspective, a lot of once again, inflammation stems from the gut. Once you have a dysbiosis and imbalance in the, a gut that can damage the lining of the gut and you get what we call the leaky gut. And once again, you get those metabolites that go through the gut wall, into the bloodstream and, and trigger inflammation all over the body. So that, so treating inflammation, you always need to treat the gut, but you know, if you don’t sleep enough, you get enough good sleep. You, your, your inflammation is going to increase. If you don’t deal with your stress, you’re not managing your stress. Your inflammation is going to increase. If you’re not exercising or moving your body enough inflammation is gonna increase. So, yeah, I think inflammation’s a huge thing. I mean, there’s even a concept called inflamm aging. It’s one of, of the key aspects of aging.
Dr. Lipman: 20:14 And, you know, once again, we can actually pinpoint someone’s blueprint to some in, in the tests that I do. They’re actually these, um, inflammatory genes that some people have are more predisposed inflammation than other people. So once again, to, you know, the, the older I get and the more I do this, I, I just see everything works together, um, as opposed to, um, just one thing. So inflamma, but inflammation is one of those key underlying mechanisms that trigger all sorts of diseases. And that’s usually one of the issues that I’m dealing with with, with most patients trying to, how do we decrease the inflammation? How do we keep inflammation that is there,
Kimberly: 21:01 Which I I know is so individual, but now we’re seeing, you know, everything’s coming together in the environment here in 2022 doctor, are you seeing that? You know, we were talking about so much as it comes from the gut, and I know there’s research about overeating animal protein, for instance, can create dysbiosis as it can imbalance your gut. And then you combine that with the microplastics or what’s going on. Do you see now more of an effect on inflammation in people’s bodies, from the animal protein than when you started your work, you know, like years ago? What are you seeing? No,
Dr. Lipman: 21:34 I, I don’t think so to be quite honest. I mean, I I’ll give you a good example. I, I mean, I think it’s complicated, but I think for some people, animal proteins, not necessarily a problem, I think as you get older, you probably should decrease. You said, yes, I was a pescatarian for many years when I started out. And then I found my blood sugar going up and I became prediabetic from eating lots of fruits and lots of grains. And then I went on a paleo diet and I not only lost weight, but I felt fantastic for, for, for many years. Um, and then when I did research on my LA one of my, I dunno when which book it was, but on my anti-aging book. Um, and I realized that too much animal protein can negatively affect some of these gene regulators. Are I cut back? So I don’t, I think,
Dr. Lipman: 22:30 Yeah, I think everyone’s a little bit different than the, the genetic thing too. I think I, I don’t believe there’s one, right. Diet, you know, I think plant based diet work well for some people and animal based diet work, work well for some people, I think you need to adjust accordingly as you get older. Yes. I, I think it changes, but I’m not, I personally, I’m not coming from the philosophy that all animal protein, I think the source of the animal protein is very important. Um, that all animal protein is bad for everyone. I think it’s, it’s much more nuanced than that is what I would say.
Kimberly: 23:09 Yes. I, I, I also am of that approach. I think when we say, you know, right wrong and we draw like black, white, and yes, these walls and separations between these different communities that adds more stress, right? It’s like we wanna come together and say, yes, everybody’s, body’s different. You know, my husband, for instance, he, you know, he’s tried plant based. He comes in out, but he, he does well with some meat and that’s just how his body is, you know? So I’m, I’m certainly not, you know, um, an extremist in that way. I don’t think we wanna vilify each other. I think we wanna see, you know, commonalities and listen to, to each other’s points of view. So I really love that you also have that balanced approach, you know, Dr. Lipton. So tell us what the name of your anti-aging book is. I, cause I wanna go out and read it now,
Dr. Lipman: 23:55 What’s it? Um,
Kimberly: 23:56 The one you were mentioning
Dr. Lipman: 23:57 The new rules of aging. Well,
Kimberly: 24:00 Okay. The new rules of aging. Well, so I would like to know Frank, if you can tell us three solid tips, because I know we’re so individual, right? So then we start to get into our head. Does this work for me and not another person? What are just some three general things you’ve seen in your research? We can start applying from your work that will help us stay healthier as we continue, you know, chronological get
Tips to help you stay healthy as you chronologically get older
Dr. Lipman: 24:22 Older. Sure. Yes. I think, uh, fasting or okay. Or eating most of your food in a set period. So if you, you know, I find intermittent fasting or skipping, or I say, eat dinner earlier and breakfast later, I think is a very easy way. Yes. You actually put all those calories into like an eight hour period, because what happens when you, you fast, it stresses your body a little bit and a little bit of stress that’s called Essis is actually good for your body. So a little bit of stress, you know what they say, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. So when you, when you stress your body a little bit, it triggers mechanisms in the body it’s called orgy, which is, you know, you’re talking about detoxification, it’s your body’s own self cleansing detoxing mechanism. So when you stretch that fasting period out, it triggers a self cleansing mechanism in the body, which actually decreases as you get older.
Dr. Lipman: 25:19 So fasting is really good for you, especially once you know, woman until you know, they, while they’re still having babies may not be a good idea, but once they’re in their forties and I think fasting is good for, or, or eating your, your food within a shorter period is a really good idea. Sugar is the devils that just cutting back on sugar. And as you get older, you know, a lot of people become more carbohydrate intolerance. So cutting back on your carbs, um, is, is, is not a bad idea. So that would be to, um, exercise obviously. I mean, moving your body as much as possible sleep, you know, all these things are just no brainers for everyone just taking sleep seriously, doing, you know, what you can to do, or the stresses where it’s meditate. I’m a big fan of meditation, but whatever, whatever you can do to try and and manage the stresses in your life. So there, these basic lifestyle changes that one can do, uh, already good. And you know, another really good tip for aging that, and it goes with this hormesis concept is, uh, saunas and cold showers or cold Bunes. So temperature extremes are really good for the aging process. So, uh, saunas then jumping into a cold shower or pool is really good. So fasting, temperature, extremes, um, high intensity interval training, or short bursts of, of, of exercise. So these short bursts of stress are actually really good for the aging process.
Kimberly: 27:00 Mm mm. Okay. So a couple questions there. The cold I laugh because the cold part is really hard for me. We had Wim Hof on the podcast as well. And he was like, yeah, every day, do those cold showers. And I, of course I find them easier to do in the summer, but I under would you, the, the value of that, can you explain just in, in a moment, like, why is it so beneficial to going to such cold temperatures? Like, what’s it doing to your body?
The benefits of cold temperatures and your body
Dr. Lipman: 27:26 Well, it’s stressing your, so as I was saying earlier, this concept of home, Mesis this little, this aspect of a little bit of stress on your body triggers mechanisms, which are protective in your body. It, you know, cont it, the, it triggers these self cleansing mechanisms. So any little bit of stress, you know, cold is just one of them. That is a way of stressing the body. It doesn’t have to be the cold. That’s just one way saunas can do it as well. Yes, yes. And sauna too cold is probably even better. So it’s just this concept of stressing your body a, a little bit, not too much where it’s gonna trigger these, these mechanisms that are really,
Kimberly: 28:16 And then as far as fasting, do you recommend that we, you know, we try to shorten the window every day, but do you recommend doing a full fast day every week?
Dr. Lipman: 28:23 Well, that’s one way of doing it. I mean, I think there are many ways of doing it, you know, there’s, you can do it that way. I just find with myself and with my recommendations to my patients, that the overnight, the overnight fast of 14, 16 hours proper is actually easiest for people to incorporate into their lives. But doing a one day a week is a great thing. You know, that you even have, you know, there now these fast, where you can do a five day, you know, ProLon is just a five day, um, where you are actually eating, but you’re eating very low protein, very low, uh, uh, basic, low protein, low, low sugar of carbs for five days, low calories for five days. So there are many different ways of doing it. And I find, you know, cause we do a lot of, I do a lot of blood testing, biomarker testing. I find doesn’t seem to make a difference that people’s biomarkers get better, whether they do pro prolong, where they do one day a week, where they, where they do intimate it and fasting. But the idea of these short fasting breaks seem to make a big difference to one’s health.
Kimberly: 29:34 Wow. Yeah. That’s and then I love that that’s been around as well, you know, VA DIC times the have always talked about fasting, spiritual reasons and clarity. Um, you know what, I’m, I’m talking to you here, Frank, and some people, most people are be listening to this, not seeing this, but I just wanna comment that I love when I see that people are really living what they preach and you know, what they’re teaching. And one thing I notice about you, you have really healthy hair, right? Eyebrows, hair, and your hair size and dark. And so we get a lot of questions about, you know, just these things. You start to see your skin, you start to see your hair and it’s indicative of what’s going on inside of you. Right. So let’s, if we could talk about hair for a moment, um, beyond the, the microbiome, you know, in order you start to notice your hair is falling out or it’s not as thick or it’s graying, prematurely, what are some of the things we can do, you know, internally what you know, to, to combat that.
Dr. Lipman: 30:28 That’s a good question. I, I mean your hair
Kimberly: 30:30 Is I, I wanna do it. You’re doing,
Dr. Lipman: 30:34 Uh, I dunno. I mean, I’m lucky I’m 67. I’m hardly great. I dunno why your
Kimberly: 30:38 Hair is as dark as my hair. I never colored my hair either, but,
Dr. Lipman: 30:43 But I, I, I’m not sure. I think, you know, once again, I always focus on generally getting people healthy. I mean, I do think the nutrients that are helpful for hair obviously, um, I, I don’t know anything specific. Um,
Kimberly: 30:59 Yeah, so you’re just living the lifestyle and it’s yeah. Coming out
Dr. Lipman: 31:02 That’s exactly. Yeah.
Kimberly: 31:06 Well, it’s great to see whatever you’re doing. It’s all working together. Um, and I think that’s, you know, that’s the real, uh, marker, so to speak where it’s just these happy byproducts. Right. So it’s like, I know when I start to focus on my day and how I’m living my day, my sleep gets better. For instance, it’s just, you start to see this between everything, um, in the lifestyle. So, so what’s, what’s, what’s new for you. What’s next for you? Um, Frank, you know, I’m excited, I’ve been reading about your 11, 11 wellness center. Is there anything, um, anything new you wanna share with us in your work that we can look forward to? Um, we’ll link in your show note in the show notes to some of your other books.
Dr. Lipman: 31:48 Yeah, I don’t, um, uh, I think the, the integration of genetics into, uh, my management has been a big shift, which is great. And I think the next phase for medicine is, um, is including wearables and the, the information we get from wearables into what we do. So I’m the chief medical officer for a startup where they’re actually combining bloods and genetics and then information from a continuous blood glucose monitor from an Aing to, so they’re com they’re combining all the information. One gets from wearables. They’re creating an app which should be ready, any data, the wearable information, the genetic information, the information, and putting it all into one thing. So I think that’s the future. As you can check it firstname.lastname@example.org, J O I N hearty.com. It’s the beginning of something. I think it’s a future where that we’ll see, this is, you know, creating an app is very difficult.
Dr. Lipman: 32:56 So if this, you know, at the moment, day, they’re just taking, um, better patients, but I think that’s the future, you know, it’s yes. Whether it happens next month or next year in five years time, I’m not sure, but I think that’s the future. When you can combine all this information and you can monitor yourself, you can monitor if you want, what your blood will glucose is doing. You can monitor how you’re sleeping. I think it’s very exciting. I think that’s where medicine is heading, where we obviously at, at the beginning stages, but I that’s, to me, the ex yeah, more exciting, you know, I’ve written six books. I think my book writing maybe over I’m, I’m interested in this is this is happening so quickly. Yeah. So I’d like to be, you know, I like to stay, it’s all young people that I, you know, I’m the old far in the room working with all these young people,
Kimberly: 33:52 You know, it’s interesting by, um, we know someone that has this company called levels. Have you heard of that?
Dr. Lipman: 33:56 Yeah, I like Casey. Yeah.
Kimberly: 33:58 Yes. Okay. Yeah. I think case
Dr. Lipman: 34:00 Casey’s just doing the blood glucose part. So I think this is expanding beyond, beyond that
Dr. Lipman: 34:08 Casey’s lovely in our life levels. I think it’s great. I think what join Hardy, what these guys who developing this are trying to do also young. Dynamos like, Casey’s a young dynamo. Um, but, um, the joint, Heidi people are also these young dynamos who also trying to do that, but also incorporate an Aing yeah. Exercise and extensive blood testing and the genetic testing. No one’s ever done that before. So I think KCS at the beginning of something and the, this is at the beginning of something bigger. I, I, I think everyone eventually is gonna get onto that bandwagon. I just think it’s early days now. So get some of your folks to hop on board.
Kimberly: 34:54 Well, thank you so much, Frank, it’s been amazing talking to you. Where can we find out more information about you? What’s the best? What the best place, the best site.
Dr. Lipman: 35:03 Yeah, just doc Dr. Frank lipman.com, Dr. Frank lipman.com. Wonderful. And join hearty is the, a talking about join hearty, J O N H E a R T Y. hearty.com. Amazing. That’s that’s where I’m at.
Kimberly: 35:19 Well, thank you so much, Frank, for being such a, a pioneer and a wisdom keep and bringing medicine towards this more integrated place. It’s really just about your health and healing and not this modality or this, but really just bringing everything together. You’ve been such a great, um, important pioneer in this. So thank you so much for your work.
Dr. Lipman: 35:41 Yeah. Thank you. And thank you for spreading the word and all the work you do. That’s great. I love, I love it.
Kimberly: 35:47 Love
Dr. Lipman: 35:48 It. Thank you.
Kimberly: 35:48 Thank you so much.
Dr. Lipman: 35:49 Okay. Bye
Kimberly: 03:36 All right, loves. Thank you so much for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed our conversation today with Dr. Frank Lipman, who is such a powerhouse and has been around for all these decades to just keep contributing to, you know, the conversation of holistic integrated wellness. So please be sure to check out our show notes for more information on Dr. Lipman, as well as other podcasts recipe, these articles, meditations, I think you would enjoy. And we will be back here Thursday for our next Q and a podcast. Take great care of yourself. Be sure to pick up a copy of the new book. You are more than you think you are, and I will see you back here soon. Namaste, peace and love.