Awakening the Heart: The Ultimate Way to Total Holistic Health with Kimberly Snyder & John Pisani

This week’s topic: The Science Of Upgrading Your Health and Relationships From The Power of Your Heart. 

Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited that this is launch week for The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts, my new book on awakening the heart through five stages. I cannot wait to get this book in your hands. Of all the books I’ve written, this one has changed me. It has awakened my heart and as we’ll get into heart coherence today, which you probably have heard me talk about over the last few months and years. It ties together gut health, energy, our emotional wellbeing, our mental clarity, our relationships. It’s so impactful. And so in celebration of this very special week, I have with me John Pisani, who’s been my long-term business partner and has been with me since the first book. And we have done all these books together going back to the Beauty Detox Solution, which was published in 2011.

 

Episode Summary 

In this conversation, Kimberly Snyder discusses her new book, ‘The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts with longtime business partner and Solluna co-founder John Pisani. The conversation focuses on the concept of heart coherence and its significance in wellness. Kimberly shares her journey of writing the book, the inspiration behind it, and the importance of understanding the stages of the heart. The discussion delves into emotional awareness, the impact of heart coherence on relationships, and the collective power of individuals in creating a heart-centered society.

 

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Episode Chapters

00:00 The Launch of a New Journey
02:50 Heart Coherence: The Core of Wellness
06:12 The Inspiration Behind the Book
09:07 Understanding Heart Coherence
11:53 The Stages of the Heart
15:08 The Power of Emotional Awareness
17:59 Fear and Forgiveness in Heart Work
20:51 The Impact of Heart Coherence on Relationships
24:11 Creating a Heart-Centered Society

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Kimberly Snyder (00:01.144)
Hi everyone and welcome back to our Monday interview show. I am so excited that this is launch week for The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts, my new book on awakening the heart through five stages. I cannot wait to get this book in your hands. It’s going to be shipping even today possibly or definitely tomorrow, 917, which is the official pub date. Of all the books I’ve written, this one has changed me. It has awakened my heart.

And as we’ll get into today, this heart coherence, which you probably have heard me talk about over the last few months and years, is some aspect of our lifestyle and wellness, which ties everything together. It ties together gut health, energy, our emotional wellbeing, our mental clarity, our relationships. It’s so impactful. And so in celebration of this very special week, I have with me John Pisani, who’s been my long term business partner and has been with me since the first book. And we have done all these books together going back to the Beauty Detox Solution, which was published in 2011. So it’s been quite a journey, Welcome to the show. It’s so great to be in the studio, live in person, not on Zoom. we had a book launch event the other day in Venice and I was saying to everyone,

Wow, I think back to our first book launch party, which was a very different type of book launch party. was, you know, lots of press. It was at the London and West Hollywood. Channing Tatum was the host. And there’s been all these different parts of the journey, but you know, you’ve been with me on this incredible journey. You and I have been on our own individual journey. We’ve been on this journey to share more and more. And here we are today talking about the heart.

So, you know, I have my glowing green smoothie right there on the table. And all these aspects of wellness are important, how we eat and how we live. But here, you know, the hard work, as I mentioned earlier, this coherence, the syncing up of your heart, brain, your nervous system, and spiritually into the deepest part of who we are, awakens everything. And what’s amazing as we reflect back is that the mission is the same, but it’s the, you know,

Kimberly Snyder (02:22.154)
the peeling the layers of the onion were just getting deeper and deeper. And here I feel like we’re really in the core now. Yeah, you know, what’s interesting, I felt at that party was it was very reminiscent of the first book launch and the fact that it felt so fresh and new. It was kind of like when you’re ahead of a little bit ahead of the curve of the information. And this is something that is, it’s breaking a little bit.

It’s been out there, but it isn’t well known. Yes. Just when we did the first thing. You could feel the energy in the room of people discovering and feeling it for the first time. It has that kind of pixie dust of this really powerful energy of bringing something new and fresh and powerful. needed. And needed. In this day and age, this by far is really, really needed in the world we live in today. I thought it was interesting.

I’d love to know from you, because it’s always interesting when you write your books, because you don’t try to force it. You let it come to you organically what your subject’s going to be and what inspires you. How did this come to you and how did you first become inspired to go into this field? I’ve been talking about this a little bit on other shows, but I’ll go into more detail here on our show since we’re having this.

conversation with our inner feel good podcast community here, our Saluna community. So I think one of the attributes of wellness and as we unfold is receptivity, right? And I think that’s one thing that’s been my through line since the first book is I’ve always been curious. I’ve always said, you know, what else is there to learn? How could I feel better? And that’s been my through line since

started backpacking around the world. I started learning about how to make blended foods and green smoothies. I’ve just been receptive to what is coming through. And then once I come across something that feels really potent, and in this case, it was a piece of research around the heart brain, I pay attention. It’s like breadcrumbs, right? And I think that’s partly because this awareness comes because of

Kimberly Snyder (04:45.12)
I’ve been a meditator, so I’m more attuned to awareness of like, whoa, this actually did make me feel something. So there’s that aspect of it. When I was writing, Are More Than You Think You Are, and researching some of the, there’s a chapter in You Are More Than You Think You Are called You Are Magnetic, those of you that have that book. And there’s some scientific reference in that book, although nothing like this book. And I came across a piece of research from HeartMath.

And it was how they had been measuring the magnetic field of the heart by sensitive equipment known as magnetometers. It was also about how the heart has 40 ,000 neurons and is a brain and does send more messages to the brain up here. So it started a spark of how come I don’t really know about this? First of all, was like, is this true? And then I dug deeper and saw there was over 500 published research papers and really respected journals like the American Journal of Cardiology.

And the number two, I thought, how come I don’t know about this? And I’ve been really diving pretty deep. And the number three, I said, well, everybody needs to know about this. So that was happening. And at the same time, I started to feel that I was, and I’ll say this, how do I say this? Well, I also feel that when we open ourselves up, spirit uses us as a channel in different ways.

And Yogananda, who many of you know who brought yoga to the West has always been such an important being, more than a teacher, guru, however you want to say it, his teachings have helped me so much. And then I started feeling tuned into Swami Sri Yukteswar, who is Yogananda’s guru. And he ran an ashram in India and was said to be very stern, but had the love of a thousand mothers. And he

was a Vedic scholar. I was anyways, I was going into the hard math research. And then I just felt called to go down this rabbit hole with his book. And he only wrote one book was called the Holy Science. And I remember being in Hawaii. And I think I told you this and I certainly told John, my husband, I was reading this book over and over again. Did I tell you this? I think you told me this. Well, tell me again, because I’m trying to remember. I remember it’s a fairly succinct book. And it’s basically written in sutra style, sort of like

Kimberly Snyder (07:11.308)
you know, the Bhagavad Gita or ancient texts. there’s, you know, Sanskrit, there’s the writing in Sanskrit, there’s a translation in English, and then there’s a little bit of explanation. So I was, I just felt called in and you know, it’s hard to put these things in words, but I feel like I was just being drawn into the heart in so many ways. And in this book, he talks about the five stages of the human heart. And this really spoke to me because I had never heard and I’d read, you know,

some of the other translations of other texts, but this was so clearly saying dark, propelled, steady, devoted, and he says clean heart. He also talks about the clear heart in that book. So I went with clear heart in my modern interpretation, these five states, and it was all lining up. The science was really lining up with these heart stages that he was laying out. So it was my favorite place to hang out, which is the intersection of spirituality and science.

where I think it’s really important to bring forward truths that are shown for the discerning mind in science. But these spiritual teachings that I feel like are so necessary in today’s world for health, for coming together in more unity as a community and the larger community of the world, for our own peace and fulfillment. And so it all came together very organically. I never said…

to myself. I did get an email from Hay House, my publisher, some months earlier. They were like, hey, what’s your next book going to be about? And to be honest, I just said to them, and I always say this, you know, I’ll let you know when I’m ready. It’s not me. It’s just like something coming through me. And so I just stayed open and I was receptive to messages I was getting and the heart is what came through. Yeah. But I remember how quick it like you, when you get that inspiration, it seemed like this one, really, you were in it and it just kind of

So one of the things that heart coherence shows is clarity comes. Heart coherence is this syncing up basically the heart, brain, the nervous system. And what it means is clarity. that’s one of the biggest, most incredible things that I’ve experienced through increasing my own heart coherence and this work. It’s sort of like looking, I described this in the book, looking through to the bottom of a clear lake. So once I got

Kimberly Snyder (09:35.66)
this inspiration, know, Sanskrit would say sponda to, okay, you’re going to be writing about the heart. It was, all right, here we go. I had, you know, a very clear vision. I wanted it to be the heart stages. I wanted the science to be woven in with the teachings. I presented it to Hay House. I just wrote a little thing about the book and they approved it. know.

proven author, this is my eighth book, I’d already done a book with them. So they didn’t really give me any restrictions. And so I was off to the races. I also had it in my mind that I wanted it to be a succinct book to, first of all, pay homage to Swami Shri Yukteswar’s book, which was very succinct. I wanted people to get through the book. So I wrote the book and then I ended up cutting out 20 ,000 words, mostly science.

because I said to myself, okay, I think I’m going a little bit too deep down the rabbit hole. And you know, you’ve read the book, John, there is a lot of science in it, but as a, you know, as a Well, you love your science too. But I’m saying you could get through the science that’s left in the book. Absolutely. And I think that’s always been one of your strengths as a writer is taking these sometimes more complex science and stuff and presenting them in a way that is so relatable and understandable for the average person.

And I was going to say, one of the strengths of this book is there is all the science backing this, but you present it in a way that connects to everyday life. And in all the stages, there’s, when I was reading, was like, wow, there I see me. I see me in this one. You know, you so, I think that’s one of the powerful things, the book that you do is you present it in a way where if the reader can really take away so much from, because it really is written in a way that is easily understandable and relatable.

You know, it’s interesting this morning, I did a growth day Zoom with Brendan Bouchard. So if you know who he is, is a, don’t know how to classify him. He’s a motivational speaker. He’s a entrepreneur coach. He does stuff with Oprah. He does a lot of mindset coaching, I think. So he loved the book. We talked about the book. And one thing he said to me is, did you plan?

Kimberly Snyder (11:53.698)
for the way you wrote the heart stages, towards the end, it gets like really elevated. So if you remember, you flow through from the dark heart to the propelled, and then it gets to the light of the clear heart. And there is a lot of light in it. And I said, well, you know, the opposite of light or clear or transparent is dense and dark. And that was the first heart stage. And this is where we are more heady and stuck in patterns. And this is, you know, I’m laying out the stages so it makes sense. There is…

more science in the beginning. So you understand what I’m talking about when I say heart brain. You understand what I’m talking about when we’re talking about coherence and incoherence. And so the way it’s written, yes, there’s more information in the beginning. There’s science in all the chapters, but by the time you get to the clear heart, and I’d love to read a little paragraph on it, I feel like it really sings. I got to be honest with you guys. I mean, for me, the devoted heart and the clear heart chapters are my favorite.

I love all the, you have to get through all the heart stages, but there’s something I want to read to you. The clear heart is the ultimate stage of the highest heart coherence where the heart, brain and mind find clarity and become one. Because of this, the clear heart is also the humble heart. It brings you to the realization that no one is better than anyone else. All souls are equal as Yogananda says, all hearts are fundamentally equal.

The clear heart is just more transparent. So, and then I go on to say these hard stages aren’t, you know, sequential, like you get to one and then you never go back. We, we flow in and out. So even though this is, you know, the state of heart, brain harmony, these are moments we tap into when you’re doing the dishes and you’re not thinking, you’re just sort of out of time and space, or you look into your dog’s eyes or loved one’s eyes, or you’re looking at the sunset and you’re just feeling this oneness.

And so what’s really powerful about these teachings in the book is that you’re learning to what’s called increase your coherence capacity. So your baseline with these tools gets higher and higher so that you’re able to experience more times in the clear heart and the devoted heart. You’re actually training yourself and over time it just gets higher and higher and higher. So there’s nothing, this isn’t random. This isn’t saying, some of us have better karma and some people are just

Kimberly Snyder (14:16.364)
I mean, yes, there’s a truth. Some souls may come in a little bit lighter. They don’t have as much trauma in their childhood. They have more joy. But what’s so powerful about this work is that you can go in, you can start to blast through old patterns and you just start to clear things out. And then you spend more time in these higher heart stages. That’s so true. When I first read it, I see I spent time in a lot of different stages, depending, you and you can go in and out.

But what else is interesting is the way you set that and you said where you start with a certain order of it. gives you a, reading those and having those, by time you get to the clear heart and reading that, you have such a broader base of understanding the different stages that it makes it more powerful and more understandable, easier to understand. If you just went to that first, you wouldn’t quite have as powerful experience as you read the other chapters first.

Well, it’s crucial actually. And again, they’re quite succinct, but to read all the stages because we can all be in, let’s say you’re in a steady hard stage where coherence starts to grow and you feel more anchored in yourself, but maybe you see something on the news or something triggers you on social media or somebody says something that is stored somewhere in one of your amygdala reminds you of a wounded child. Boom, you’re back in frustration or anger or whatever, from the dark heart.

What this work has done for me is you pull out much faster. It doesn’t mean you’re not in the lower heart stages, but I’m not in there as long. Now, John, you have known me so long and you can see, and I’ve been saying this to everyone, this has made such a big difference in my life, but can you share what a difference you’ve seen in me as another person? yes, because I think now you have the ability to pull out.

where before you would stay in those stages. not even be, I wouldn’t be in them as often and also not have the awareness. Exactly. You wouldn’t even know you’re in that. You know, it’s just now it brings. Vision grows. What I’ve noticed like in you doing this is that you can, you’re much more aware of when you’re in those different stages and pulling out of those stages and trying to better the way you handle when you’re in those stages.

Kimberly Snyder (16:33.942)
So yeah, there’s that aspect. And then for me personally, which I guess no one else can really know, we don’t know how we are on the inside except for ourselves, right? It’s just how much lighter I feel day to day, how much more peaceful. Because even before there’d be times where I’d be doing something, you you’re at your child’s birthday party or whatever, but there could be thinking or there just could be like ruminating over something. I actually talk about you in the steady heart.

where I say, you remember how many times I would call you and be like, is everything gonna be okay? Like you’re going to this outside source to get that validation. I would say me calling you and talking through stuff. I, you know, as I talk about in the book, sometimes it would be for hours and hours, especially when I started to become more of a public figure. And, you know, I remember something happened when I was on Good Morning America. One time there was, you know, a group of

registered dieticians, I was talking about diet soda and stuff and I sort of felt attacked for the first time. And I just, it just was really hard for me to handle. So anyways, for years, was a lot of this, again, I think admit, you know, I speak for myself going outside of ourselves to feel okay, whether that’s people complimenting us on social media or having someone literally say that it’s okay or having to always be in a relationship or whatever it is.

I talk about this story in the book, if you remember, where it’s probably down 80%, 85%. yes. Maybe 90%. Well, yes. I think that that’s the power of the book because it gives people, readers, the opportunity to learn because the biggest thing is we’re unaware if we’re doing any of this. We’re unaware of all of the stuff that’s going on within our heart and how powerful that

our hearts are as far as for our emotions and what we’re feeling. by having, you know, a book like this where you can just say, okay, hold on, stop. I recognize that I’m, I’m in this certain stage. I’m doing these behaviors. It gives you the tools and with the heart of mind meditation too, really, which is such a life -changing meditation that the only meditation I think I’ve ever done in my life to where I can physically feel differently immediately after doing it.

Kimberly Snyder (18:57.848)
Yeah, well, it’s so it’s what you’re describing is that physical shift and I’ll show the graph again for any of you watching this on YouTube. Otherwise, as you get your copy of the book, this is going to be on page 29. See, this is the pattern. This is important to point out. It’s the pattern, not just the number of your HRV. This is an anger and then this is appreciation. So as you said, John, you feel differently in your body.

but it’s not just your body. We can tune into the body, but since the heart is the main biological oscillator, it’s setting the rhythms. And Dr. McCready, who is who we did the heart aligned meditation study with, one of the things he says over and over again is emotions run the show. Emotions run the show. Emotions are at the root of why stress disables us. It’s not the traffic, it’s not the child’s tantrum, it’s the feeling of frustration and

overwhelm and time pressure that create the cortisol spikes, right? That create the fight or flight in our nervous system. So when you’re feeling it in your body, it’s actually awakening this incredible pathway of the heart brain. so that neuroplasticity doesn’t just refer to the neurons and the pathways in the brain, but between the heart and the brain. So what this means is we change our perceptions. So you said,

You start to be more aware. You start to be aware of what others are saying and doing like more deeply. This is where emotional intelligence grows. You can start to see context versus being really literal, which is something I used to do. Like, but you said this. So you no, no, no, I actually meant this. So you can start to not be so literal because you start to soften into what real communication is. But you also see yourself more. And so what that means is, you know,

as the heart awakens, and this is one of the spiritual truths that Yogananda and Triyukteshvara teach, your third eye opens. So you’re able to see, you’re able to perceive the heart aligned meditation and the tools in the book also increase your coherence capacity. So over time, and now I’ve been doing this a few years, I can just say, I’m so grateful to feel lighter and just more joyful and blissful in my day -to -day life. You know, that propelled heart stage, which is stage two,

Kimberly Snyder (21:20.31)
which is where I spent a lot of my life, like a lot of my life. And I think most people, as I just become aware of these hard stages and you see that there’s a lot of suffering because the propelled heart is restless. It’s never enough, never content, always on how do I appear to other people? Do people like me, am I too fat? Am I too this? Am I too that? My plans, trying to control life. I mean, it’s exhausting even talking about it. So.

When you come in and you start to create this coherence, we start to realize the truth of what Sri Yukteswar says when he says, the real necessities of the human heart have nothing to do with anything outside of himself. Nothing. So this means the self fulfillment, the self worth, the self love, the self, peace, everything actually coming from inside of you. I feel, you know, also John, I feel really peaceful.

Another thing, since you know me well, this is our eighth book launch together. I feel so much more peaceful going into a launch where typically it’s like running around and like, what’s going on here and are we doing enough? And just these feelings of lack and pressure. I just feel so peaceful because I know no matter what happens, you know, first of all, I’m just so grateful. Number two, I’ve benefited so much myself. And number three, it’s more like this gentle

offering out versus like, need you to get this book. You know, listen, this is amazing. And if people want it, they can have it too, but it’s not the neediness of the propelled heart. Yeah. And I think you’ve let go of the attachment of success, you know, what we deem as success. Yeah. That’s what the propelled heart’s attached. And then the steady heart is, you know, connected, self -fulfilled. Yeah. And I’ve watched you on this even at our

book launch event, you were so calm. I think just the nature of the subject matter and you’re taking it and living it. think that’s where I feel like watching people as they discover this. It’s almost like you’re living it and they feel it. When we did that study, we had them for a month.

Kimberly Snyder (23:41.44)
I would talk to all the different people setting up the, and I could feel the changes and you could feel talk, just talking to them and even them telling us how much they changed over one month’s time of doing the meditation. And that’s just in one month. Well, what’s amazing is in that study as well, we had ex -military, we had busy moms, we had all different types of people. We had artists. I know of one, at least one artist who was in the group and two of the people in the group,

were professional women. One was a doctor, one was a high level producer who wanted to find a partner and eventually want to have a family and had been on all the different dating apps and had been unsuccessful for years. Within a few weeks of doing our study, both of these women have found their life partner. One of them recently got engaged and one of them is about to get engaged.

Consistency, but we’re also not talking about a huge amount of time. The meditation is less than eight minutes. So if people are doing it four times a week, we’re talking about 32 minutes a week. This is one of the most powerful things we can do. You know, we’ve always talked about health from the inside out, beauty from the inside out, but it turns out everything is created from the inside out. And I mean everything. And back to this, or not back to it, I talked about this on another podcast, but this,

tourist field of the heart, the the electromagnetic field, which I just want to point out because it’s so powerful. This is on page 45. You guys are watching this or when you get your book, hopefully you’ll see it on page 45. This electromagnetic field, which is a hundred times stronger than the one produced by the brain is always extending out. And so I, before I had this knowledge, now I can reflect back and think of times where, you you felt something when you walked into a room.

You just knew something was off or you didn’t want to sit at that table in the restaurant next to a certain person. You couldn’t explain why. And then we can also reflect back on our own life when we were in a certain energetic state and just emotional energy and how that didn’t help us out. Because basically this field, which is projected out eight to 10 feet changes based on your emotional state. And it also gets stronger and more coherent and harmonious.

Kimberly Snyder (26:06.104)
the more you are in elevating your coherence. So what happened in our study was that on average there was a 29 % increase in coherence. This I believe was a huge factor in those ladies meeting their partners because they were doing the same apps. One was on Bumble, one was on Raya. And yet, you know, they were just in a different energy field where people can say, you know, what are you up to? Like, I’d like to get to know you. I want to ask you on a date. There’s something about you. Like, just, I want to, you know, come in.

whether that’s in a party or whatever online situation, because energy is registered. So this is such practical information, especially from that propelled heart perspective and the dark heart. It’s like, do more, spend more time, like do, you know, never enough, right? Versus, there’s a different way to go about doing things. And it’s from this power of the heart, which is more…

a billion quadrillion times more expansive. It’s non -linear. It can blast through barriers. It’s out of time and space. It just can change outcomes in not the way that your mind thinks it’s going to take. It’s that power of opening the heart. When you feel an open heart, you’re just a different person. When your heart is open, the way even you look at a person, the way you…

Your energy is radiating. It’s so different and it’s such a bright light. And that’s such great practical because you know, dating and meeting people is one like I think universally you talk to, it’s so hard to meet anybody. It’s so hard to meet somebody that understand. And by having that capacity, it just opens yourself up to attracting someone who can feel that and is in that space. So.

If you look at the science, what it shows is these frequencies are, and again, magnetometers are measuring magnetic fields. So there is a truth to like attracts like, and you can also repel things away. Even if you think, you you’re saying your affirmations, but underneath there’s this energy that isn’t really lining up. So one of the things about heart coherence is it’s creating harmony and it starts inside of you.

Kimberly Snyder (28:25.132)
physically, first of all, the harmony of your heart, your brain and your nervous system. And then it starts to change your perceptions and your thoughts. So there’s just this feeling of flowing in life instead of all the resistances and the upset and the drama and the chaos. And in your field, this is creating a more magnetic, more attractive field. So whether it’s a love interest or maybe it’s just different opportunities that can move your business forward or your, you know, whatever personal interests forward,

It’s just amazing to see that there is a different way than pretty much all of us have been taught. You know, we live in a culture that’s like no pain, no gain, you know, do more. I did the Rich Roll podcast recently and he said, he has a belief system that he shared on the show that if he’s not exhausted at the end of the day, it means he hasn’t worked hard enough, right? And so that was like something that

for whatever reason was sort of encrypted in his mind. And we talked about that and we said, you know, that’s a past, you that’s a limited belief that comes from past experience. And when you are in this coherence, this power of the heart, it’s not about exhaustion, it’s about efficiency and harmony and connection with yourself and other people. Exhaustion actually comes from when you are,

you’re spinning your wheels and there’s actually a lot of things that are inefficient, such as going with ego’s way of time pressure. Dr. McCready says that, know, year after year, one of the top reasons people are stressed out is time pressure, which makes you feel like you’re hurrying and that you’re not doing enough. And then, and then you get exhausted more. So there’s just, again, this more centered way. There’s a section in the book, and I believe it’s in the propelled heart chapter where I talk about heart time.

Right? Being in heart coherence is actually the most efficient way because you don’t have to hurry. You also don’t have to go slow. But what happens is you do things with quality and you can have really clear communication. So you have less messes to clean up where you say, sorry, I meant it like this, or apologize, or kind of rush past someone. And to your point, have a closed heart where maybe you were a little rude with the checkout person at Starbucks, or maybe you

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rush it and let someone into the intersection. And then the devoted heart chapter, so this is how we start to awaken the heart. It’s in these moments also that the heart awakens. It’s not these just big things, but actually in each moment, heart -based living is in this moment, how do I bring an open heart into, like how do my words flow through it? How do my actions flow through it in this moment? How can I be present with this person on the Zoom who

maybe struggling a little bit, or how can I be extra kind to this person I’m encountering in the parking lot at my child’s school? you know, how can I, it’s like, we’re all contributing to the field, right? So how can I add in love, kindness, and peace? What am I actually putting into the field? And when we’re in ego, when we’re hurrying, when we’re in the propelled heart, we don’t really think about that. We’re just sort of trying to survive and rush through. And so this heart -based living,

changes our everyday moments. And also what the research shows, it actually elevates our gut health, it slows aging, it balances our hormones. So it’s win -win all around. And a few of the other things that I felt really connected to in the book was how hard care adherence relates to fear and that relationship, as well as the relationship with forgiveness. Talk a little about that, because it’s such a power, those are two powerful emotions that a lot of times derail us and can really

send us into a spiral. So there’s a lot of fear in the dark heart. So the dark heart is the first stage where the heart and the brain aren’t talking properly. So what this means is, I use this analogy in the book, you can imagine if your one leg goes this way and one leg goes down the other way and you split your pants, you can hurt yourself, you can hurt other people. But really what’s going on here is you’re not seeing properly. So dark is not evil.

it’s actually lack of vision, right? Because you can’t really see. So it’s like there’s a house divided. You’re confused. And when we’re confused and we don’t feel like, I don’t know what’s going on here. What happens is you don’t trust life. You don’t feel held. And so this brings up a lot of fear. So what mind tries to do is it clamps down. It tries to control life. It tries to control outcomes because that’s the only way it can start to feel safe.

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Well, if I do this and if I stay in this job, they’re not going to lay me off on blah, blah. I’m going to stay here. I’m going to stay here. So we stay very small, right? And then you spend a lot of time getting freaked out by what you see on the news and on social media feeds. As you start to awaken from the inside, from your heart’s power, you start to feel this growing steadiness from the inside. Because what happens when your heart and your brain, and again, your nervous system starts to line up, you’re no longer constantly in nervous

sympathetic nervous system overload, which is fight or flight, which is literally like warning signals going off. You stay more in rest and digest. You start to see this balancing in. So it starts on this deep bodily energetic hormonal level where you literally feel different in your day -to -day experiences. And then as you continue to do the work and your baseline grows, you feel more calm and more centered and less of that

less of that needy pushing, I need this to work out. And so it’s just the fear, and I can say this for myself as someone who had a lot of anxiety and would talk to you specifically about things I’d be fearful of, it just starts to shift and melt away because fear is born of the mind and all the thoughts and overthinking. So when you’re in your heart and you start to change your thoughts, you can really shift your relationship with fear.

Now, it doesn’t mean fear doesn’t come up. There’s a practice in the third chapter, in the third stage, which is known as the steady heart, called the heart aligned steady in life practice. And this is a little bit different than the heart aligned meditation. Many of the practices in the book are to be integrated in life. So the steady in life practice, which I use all the time, by the way, is when you feel fear come up or, you know, anger or whatever incoherent

emotion. And there’s more of the science and the tools in the chapter, but you use your heart as an anchor as the waves of emotions come through because energy and motion is what emotions are. They’re moving through when we hold, when we fixate, when we kind of go down the rabbit hole into stories and narratives, then we keep that fear energy more alive versus just not pushing it down, not pretending it’s not there, but anchoring in the heart and letting it wash.

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through. So that’s fear. then forgiveness is a really big one too. And I don’t talk about forgiveness until the devoted heart, which is the fourth stage. And this is because in the beginning, may be, you know, feeling like you’re pulling out surface thorns. You’re kind of dealing with, you know, some of the things that are easier to see and look through. You’re like, I, know, I’m a little bit more calm in the morning or

You know, I felt more intuition rise up about my self care. I just knew what to eat today. I felt more in flow. But then as you start to remove those layers, then you can go deeper into the deeper, the deeper stuff. And one of those deeper things is forgiveness, forgiveness of self, forgiveness of others. And it can almost feel impossible to forgive from the mind because then we get caught up in the literalness of like this or this happened.

But, and it’s a six -part practice where you get coherent and from the heart, which is so highly intelligent and has so much wisdom and again, can see and perceive differently than the mind. can start to let go of things that maybe you thought you never could have before. Hmm. That’s so true and so powerful because when you hit on that forgiveness of self, and I think most people, when they hear forgiveness, you immediately go to, forgiving other people.

And you don’t immediately go to forgiving yourself, which would seem almost like you have to forgive yourself almost before you can forgive. I mean, to truly forgive you. Because it’s, forgiving yourself is not, it’s so subconscious. It was one of the harder things for me to realize. Like I didn’t realize, wow, there’s so much that I never forgave myself for, you you made mistakes or this or that. And you just kind of bury them a little bit and then realize that the core of some of these issues was.

not being able to really forgive yourself. I think that it oscillates, right? Because as you forgive others and you keep awakening, you may be also able to see a part you played that you didn’t see before. So sometimes we’re not even aware of this stuff we’re supposed to forgive in ourselves. What was really funny about this chapter in this section is that there was something that I had struggled to forgive for a long time, a couple of years.

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And it was about someone sharing private information about me and John. you know, anyways, it just, it got out and then the information was told to someone else why it wasn’t ready to tell. And then that person came to me directly and it was a lot. And I remember when I first started thinking about writing this section, I said to myself,

I haven’t really forgiven this person because it comes in layers. And was like moments I felt like I had, but then when this person’s name came up, I realized I hadn’t really forgiven. And so one of the things about the heart work and forgiveness is there’s this like using the heart like a solvent, like, know, when you soak things, you soak dishes that need extra scrubbing. And one of the things that you do is you keep like zooming out.

Cause the heart is wider. So it’s like, you’re seeing it from a third party perspective, which can help to reframe and maybe just give a little more clarity. Well, know, person wasn’t really consciously trying to hurt her. Even if they were in some cases, you know, they’re coming from this place or whatever it is. It took me a long time to really fully forgive, if I’m totally honest, to where it’s like the truth is.

I don’t feel super drawn to being really close to this person, right? Because the other thing about the heart is that it’s not like, you I’m gonna let my heart get trampled upon all the time. If there are people that are hurtful, if there are people that don’t respect boundaries, this work is not saying, okay, I’m gonna be a pushover. So whilst I don’t maybe wanna be best friends with this person, I don’t have to hold onto this heart block.

I don’t have to hold resentment in my heart, which ultimately hurts me, not the other person. So forgiveness is really for our greater expansion and our greater freedom. And the heart allows you to go into that freedom. It allows you to expand in a way that the mind never could. It’s so interesting. And almost by expanding the heart, seems like you create those natural boundaries. So it’s easier for those situations in your future.

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not to happen because you’re naturally as you expand. Intuitive. You’re clear. what I feel like, you know, it’s funny too, all the changes. I feel like my voice is a little bit different or just how I show up. There’s a deeper groundedness. Before I might be like, I had to always be nice or be like this or that. But there’s just so much clarity. So you can really say what you mean, whether it’s a boundary or a need or.

reflect something back to someone. Like I’ll even say to John, like the other John, my husband, you’re being unreasonable. Whereas before if he was mad, I would just sort of be like, my gosh, I have to fix this. And now I’m like, actually, this is, this is unreasonable and it’s calm and it’s clear. And also, you know, it reflects something back to me instead of being defensive. I’ll, you know, it’s easier for me to just say, yeah, you’re right. I could see how it came across there. So,

But that’s because by practicing this and really living this, allows you to do that because if you’re in, let’s say the darker stages, you’re going to react because you can’t see it and you’re coming from a place of emotion of in the brain. it’s a reaction. Exactly. Again, the incoherence, which is demonstrated in HRV pattern shows that there is a chaotic disordered pattern and that echoes through the body.

It echoes in your thoughts. It echoes in your breath pattern. It echoes in many ways. So when we get coherent and we get calm, then we start to be clear. Again, it’s like looking through the bottom of a lake that’s clear versus if there was a big storm and the mud is kicked up, right? When we go into these states of anger and emotional turbulence, we can’t, it’s hard to see properly. And a lot of people walk around with a certain level of irritation.

So another thing I’ve been talking about on podcasts is how much my energy has gone up. And the science shows, you two minutes of irritation puts into motion 1500 different biochemical processes that ultimately drain your energy. So think about all these micro moments throughout the day where we’re up or down. So this is so powerful and

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for us to just stay centered. All the things we’ve been talking about for years, I guess to take it full circle, we’ve talking about green smoothies, we’re really passionate about digestion and our SBO probiotics at Saluna and our detoxi. And I still take these things every day. So to me, this is about and, right? We need to have the right supplements, we need to eat the right food. And knowing about heart coherence is gonna take everything to a whole other level of awareness.

deepening your relationships, having more emotional intelligence, not having to deal with so much drama and chaos and stress and hormonal dysregulation and maladaptive coping patterns, but just to be just so much more resilient. So I’m really grateful, John, that you’ve been with me on all this journey. I mean, we’ve been talking about so many different things as we moved through all these different books. And,

You know, I just had to find this wholeness of myself. There was a time where I said to you, you know, I just want to talk about spirituality. And it was like, no, but all these other things too, like I’m still eating and the food is still important and all these things. And now it’s like, it’s all integrated. And I feel like the heart has brought everything together. Yeah. And it’s, think part of your journey is, and why it’s so resonates is you authentically write from a place of what’s going on, know, within your, you know, you kind of, it’s a melding of

the two worlds of, cause you’re not kind of writing about something, here’s what, like I’m disconnected from it. You’re completely connected to it and living it. And so that’s what makes it so powerful is because you’re in it and you’re, you’re learning and you’re experiencing and reaping the benefits just as everyone else who would read the book is. and that, you know, I think that’s the part I think is so, I mean, it’s gotta be a good feeling for you to have that outlet to really work through some of the stuff too.

Yeah, I mean, it’s true. This book did feel very different than other books. As you know, some of the books, you know, when I wrote the beauty detox solution, I had been living that dietary philosophy and sort of to learn about energy. There’s a section of that book where I talk about the yogis. One of the reasons they say not to do to be plant based to be more vegetarian is because the energy of what you’re taking in the living plants elevates.

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And I’ve been living it and I was so excited to share it. This book changed me in the writing. I was starting to change when I came across it. I feel like I put out this video a couple of weeks ago, I said, I live this book. Like I really live this book. It’s not just, okay, I got this. Like a food thing you check off. Because the thing about the heart is it keeps expanding. There’s no end.

to opening the heart. It’s one of these spiritual truths. So you’re unlocking higher and higher levels of energy and bliss and peace. And I’ve really experienced that. And there’s times where it’s like this quantum leap. And I just think, wow, like this is so much like amazing. And I’m just sitting around and I really don’t need that much outside of myself anymore, whether that’s validation or…

reassurance or entertainment or you know my life’s gotten really simple. So I want everyone to have it too and I’m just so excited so thank you John so much for being on this journey with me sharing your big heart. One of the things I said at the book launch party is you know John is pure of heart. I’m just really grateful that you’ve been a supporter with me and through you know me and us we’re able to share with all of you all these life -changing tools and parts of the lifestyle.

and I couldn’t be more grateful for you being part of the community and I cannot wait for you to read the hidden power of the five hearts and to get this into your hands. So thank you again, John. Well, thank you. It’s that’s been wonderful. And it’s been amazing for myself going through these years of evolving also within myself and taking these things and, and, you know, bettering myself and bettering my life. So I have to thank you too. And that’s, and that’s what the great thing in life we all it’s a

when you open that heart like that, everyone helps everyone. And you realize it’s, and you don’t, I had one moment the other day, I was talking on the phone and I was sharing this with a person and I could hear the energy when I started. And then the conversation, they were in a completely different place. they asked, well, they didn’t, they were, thank you. I just feel so much better. And it’s because when you’re sharing and as a collective, as you say in the book, we can make, this is where everyone does count. Where you say, people say, it’s just one person.

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This is one thing where when you read this book and then sorry, everyone does count because it builds and it builds and it builds. So thanks for bringing that up. As we close out here, another thing I want to really emphasize is that this is so we’ve been talking a lot about the individual benefit of this work, but right in the beginning of the book and the five hearts chapter, there’s a section called a new heart centered society. And another reason that I’m really excited about this is that.

We look out in the world today and we see a lot of division and fragmentation and hostility and different groups and now we’re going into election and all sorts of things are happening. As Swami Sri Yukteswar said though, there are these periods and they’ve been laid out in the Vedic texts of these yugas, these time periods. There’s Kali Yuga, we say there’s these dark ages. We’re like in a dark age now, but the more people…

that awaken into this higher energy, into the heart energy, we start to usher in a new age known as the Satya Yuga, where there’s more love and there’s more connection and there’s more peace. And I just want everyone to know how powerful you all are, each of us, because fields intersect. And again, this is a spiritual truth. When you grow your coherence, not only do you benefit, but you are able to…

influence the circles around you, starting with your family and your friends and the people in your community and the people you interact with at your children’s school and the people in your work and the people you run into it, your target or whoever. mean, all fields intersect. So this is how we change the world. All hearts are needed right now. So when I read that section in the Clear Heart, it said all hearts are equal. So what that also means is all hearts

are equally powerful to put into the field, right? So we all are needed to awaken, to share about this work, to do the work, to go in. So I encourage everyone to, you know, please check out the book, of course. Also, please check out the free meditation track we have at mysalooner .com slash five hearts book. Please share this page. Please share the free meditation with anyone, everyone you can, because the more of us that come in, our sincere intention.

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This is how we’re gonna make a more peaceful, loving, kind society. this was some of the things that, it’s gonna take many of us. It’s not just gonna be like one or a few leaders or people. It’s gonna take all hearts. Yeah, it’s the collective. It’s the collective. But everyone has the power to be part of that collective. That’s right. So we’ll end on that note. Thank you all so much for coming in today.

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