Creating True Success from the Inside Out with Dr Hitendra Wadhwa [Episode #809]

This week’s topic is: Creating True Success from the Inside Out with Dr Hitendra Wadhwa

I am so excited to have my very special guest, Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa, who is a professor at Columbia Business School, Founder of the Mentora Leadership Institute, and author of the book INNER MASTERY, OUTER IMPACT: How Your Five Core Energies Hold the Key to Success. Listen in as Dr. Hitendra shares how the 5 core energies play out in daily life, tools to master strong emotions, finding wisdom in our modern world, and so much more!

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• 5 Core Energies and how they play out in daily life…
• How real success in life and business is related to emotional mastery…
• Tools to master strong emotions and bring calm into your daily life…
• Triggers and the 3 metrics to keep in mind…
• Awareness and what it means to tune back in…
• Finding wisdom in the modern day…

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About Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa

Hitendra Wadhwa PhD is a professor at Columbia Business School and Founder of the Mentora Institute. He has coached dozens of Fortune 100 C-suite executives and taught 10,000+ MBAs and Executives. His class on Personal Leadership & Success is one of the most popular at Columbia Business School, for which he has won the Dean’s Award for Teaching Excellence. Hitendra’s mission is to discover, codify and teach the laws of success in life and leadership. His research integrates the latest science of human nature, ancient wisdom, studies of great leaders, and the personal journeys of everyday heroes.

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Kimberly: 00:00 Namaste loves and welcome back to our Monday interview show where I am so excited to share a very special guest with you today. His name is Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa and he is a professor at Columbia Business School. He has taught thousands of MBAs. In fact, it says here over 10,000 MBAs. He has one of the most popular classes of all time at Columbia Business School for which he has won the Dean’s Award for Teaching Excellence. He has also founded the Mentor Leadership Institute and he has a new book out called Inner Mastery Outer Impact, how your five core Energies Hold the Key to Success. I originally know, knew of Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa from the documentary awake, which is on the life of Paramahansa Yogananda, the great yoga guru. And in it they feature many people that have followed his teachings including a clip of, you know, Steve Jobs and his funeral where Steve Jobs gave out Yogananda’s book or had his book given out to the hundreds of people that attended as his last message to the world.

Kimberly:01:16 And Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa was also part of that documentary and explaining the impact that Yogananda had on his life. And so, um, my latest book, you Are More Than You Think You Are, is based on Yogananda’s teachings as well for modern life. And when I started to read Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa’s incredibly thought out Wise book, I could see his references to Yogananda and that we share this similar path and we both practice Creo Yoga and I just resonated with it so much. So just like everything, I like to bring forward here on our Feel Good podcast, when something really resonates with me, when something feels really important to share, I’m so honored to share it and I really think you’ll love our conversation today with the Wise. Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa.

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Kimberly: 04:19 One of them is joining our mailing list cuz we mail out fresh recipes, we mail out happenings and articles, new blogs, and also we have a 30 minute monthly zoom. So wanna make sure that you’re aware of this in case you’re interested in joining us. It’s really wonderful. It’s every second Wednesday of the month at 9:30 AM Pacific time. And it’s, you know, accessible and free for anyone that subscribes to any of our Solluna products. So when you subscribe, you’ll get an email to sign into the Zoom, the community zoom the week prior. And the Zoom features a brief meditation and then I open it up for live Q&A. And also I cover different teachings that’s relevant for that month in particular around our four cornerstones. So if you haven’t joined us yet, please come join us. We’d love to have you. We’d love to see you. I’d love to connect with you further. Okay, all of that being said, let’s get into our conversation today with the wonderful Dr. Hitendra.

Interview with Dr. Hitendra Wadhwa

Kimberly: 00:01:29 Dr. Hitendra, thank you so much for joining us. I am so excited to talk about your philosophy and your new book, inner Mastery Outer Impact, which, um, as we’ll get into in a moment, had a big, uh, impact on me personally.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:01:57 Wow. No, thank you. I’m so touched to hear that, uh, Kimberly, and much looking forward to our conversation and yeah, just like cross fertilizing our ideas. I know you’re on such a similar and kindred path.

Kimberly: 00:02:09 Yeah. So I have to say, first, your, your book came across my desk. I think your publisher sent it to me, and I thought, Hmm, this name sounds familiar. And I started to look into it because I had actually seen you in the documentary Wake, and I had read some of the articles that you had written for the Self Realization Magazine. And I don’t know if you know this, um, Dr. Hera, but I actually wrote a recent book on the teachings of Yogananda for Modern Life. And so that came out, the, the paperback came out last year with Hay House, but this is all about, um, the teachings of Yogananda and self realization, and about the true self. And so then your book came and I thought, oh my gosh, this is someone on a similar path. We, you know, for those of us listening that, um, aren’t familiar, Yogananda teaches, uh, crea Yoga, which is a type of yoga based in the spine.

00:03:05 And it has changed my life radically. I’ve talked about it a lot on here about just waking up creativity. It’s when I started writing books, doctor, and really just opening up everything. And then I started to read your book. And of course, you teach at Columbia, you teach an m b A leadership course, you’ve been involved in many tech companies, and you know, in, in business, you’ve brought these yogic teachings in such a profound, practical way. So when I was starting to read your book, and I, I don’t know if anyone has said this to you, but I literally cried at many places because I could feel the depth of wisdom that you’re bringing this wisdom, these teachings into business, into modern life where it’s so needed. So it really, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for sharing, um, this incredible book with us.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:04:00 You and I share a common affection and regard and awe right, uh, for Yogananda. And that is so beautiful to hear congratulations on your journey and on your book. And, um, I applaud you for that. I applaud you for that. Um, you know, he has been, um, you know, the most formative, the most formative influence on my life from, um, a very young age. And, um, I owe so much to the clarity with which he was able to dust off the shelf these timeless teachings, you know, that are there in almost like every great scripture, the, the wisdom of the mystics, uh, put a practical wrapper around it and a path around it, and put in modern English that, you know, I can understand and you can understand <laugh>, you know, and so, yeah, I’m just so grateful to, um, the, um, you know, the work that he put out about a hundred years ago or so. And, uh, so it is a special delight, special delight to be having this conversation with you on this podcast. No, thank you.

Kimberly: 00:05:00 Well, thank you again so much. And again, this, um, this wisdom really lives through in, in your book, and you’ve mixed a lot of practical teachings with business and many stories around, you know, Abraham Lincoln and, um, Malcolm X and many figures with the, with these teachings to make the teachings really applicable and easy to understand. So, can you tell us a little bit, um, Dr. Hira, about your core energies, the five core energy, the, the subtitle of the book is How your Five Core Energies Hold the Key to Success. And one of the, um, parts of the book that really, uh, resonated with, with me upfront is when you talked about if there’s struggle, if we’re in conflict, if we’re struggling in our relationships, in our business and in our success, it’s because we’re not in touch with these core energies. So maybe you could speak a little bit about what they are and how they, you know, how they play out in, in daily life.

5 Core Energies and how they play out in daily life

Dr. Hitendra: 00:05:57 Yeah, no, thank you, um, for asking. That’s very much at the very center of, um, the work that I’ve been doing over the last 15 odd years to, you know, bring both, uh, timeless but also very timely kind of, you know, structure and look to, um, how we can pursue happiness and high performance at the same time, you know, harmony in relationships and health as well. And, um, the general emphasis, you know, for us in the West in particular tends to be, you know, a very physical one, you know, which is about how am I behaving? What am I saying? What is the other person saying, you know, how are they behaving? What are they doing? What am I doing? And that, um, assumes that basically all that is real and important is what you can visibly see through the sensors on the surface. And this notion of energies, uh, invites us to actually, you know, take, um, pause and recognize that there is a lot to our shared reality in a relationship and an interaction in team and organization in a nation, you know, in humanity that is coming from more an exchange of energy, an activation of energy from within.

00:07:07 And these energies are fluid. They can change direction, they can intensify, they can be brought down, they can be shared and mixed, and, um, you know, they can be also rejuvenated. You know, you, you can, you can be depleter of energy, but you can, you know, get it back as well. And so once you start to see yourself and see others and see your pursuit, you know, of your goals, also that lens of energy, it just sort of opens up a much more broader aperture mm-hmm. <affirmative> and start to sense and realize, my God, like this person didn’t just have an outer conversation with me through the exchange of facts and ideas and the words that he or she was using. But actually this person had an inner conversation with me. You know, they were cultivating a certain kind sentiment or a stirring or a feeling within me.

00:07:49 And I, I, I left just feeling whatever uplifted, you know, or, or, or really suspicious now, or, or, or, or whatever it might be, <laugh>. You know. So that’s the idea of energy. And, and, and so what I’ve been seeking to do in the last about 18 years or so, is unpack a little bit, you know, how can we do a very methodical scientific, almost engineering, like logical look at the inner life, inner life of, you know, exemplary leaders, inner life of, um, you know, you and me and all of us in individual and collective capacities. And in doing that essentially evolved over time, the language of these five core energies, right? And they’re five because there’s purpose as one of them, wisdom and then growth, and then love, and then self realization. And, um, and you think about it, um, you know, we in the western world, again, you know, have the general notion of mind, body, heart, and spirit.

00:08:45 And, and in some ways that relates to four of these five energies, you know, mind is wisdom, body is purpose, you know, the doing heart is love. And then spirit is kind of like self realization. And, and the fifth energy that I’ve added, you know, in the middle of these four is growth. The idea that we can be seeing ourselves in others as ever expanding in our consciousness. Mm-hmm. Ever striving to, you know, walk up the mountaintop, you know, to, to the peak potential. You know, that we might at some point discover in ourselves, and it’s a journey, and we are all, you know, in our own ways, making our own journey perhaps on our own paths. And, and so that’s the growth energy. But it really, for me, you know, at some level, the motivation came from what I learned through Yogananda to be the four major paths of yoga.

00:09:29 You know, there’s Yes. Which is purpose. And then yeah, then as you know, you know, Ian yoga, which is wisdom, and then <inaudible> yoga, which is love, and, and ra yoga, you know, which is self-realization. And so, um, so again, I saw a certain, you know, unity, um, in the, uh, way of thinking that has emerged from these timeless truth seekers, from the yoga traditions of India to these kinda modern sensibilities of mind, mind, body, heart, and spirit. And when I started to mix and match and use these in my classroom and with leaders and with organizations, I found a certain completeness arise in the capacity then to really manifest a balanced human condition. You know, that you be both firm and driven and fierce and resolved, which is kinda like the purpose energy.

Kimberly: 00:10:17 Yes.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:10:17 But you have to be very caring and connected and patient and empathetic, and that’s the love energy. And you don’t have to give up one for the other. You can mix and match them <laugh>, you

Kimberly: 00:10:27 Know? Yes. Work with the energies. <laugh>. Well, you know, doctor, one of the things that I like that you really lay out upfront, and these, this, um, also of course aligns with the teachings of Yogananda, is to not indulge in our instant gratifications in our emotions, because we live in a world today. It’s a little bit confusing for people sometimes we talk about freedom of self-expression and, you know, feeling your feelings and all these things, but it doesn’t mean to have these wild, erratic emotions saying things that we regret later, also causing physical inflammation. And, you know, our nervous system getting outta whack. And then we’re out of tune with our wisdom, as you talk about, with our true nature, with our purpose. So I like how you lay out a whole section about mastering your emotions, and I think that’s something that we don’t always hear in the context of business or practical life, right? It’s very mind, it’s very strategic. Do this, go networking. Can you tell a little bit about how success, real success in life and business is related to emotional mastery?

How real success in life and business is related to emotional mastery

Dr. Hitendra: 00:11:36 Yeah. I’m glad you’re picking that up, because it is such a missed opportunity, and yet one which is so, so within grasp, you know, of any or all of us, um, you know, you have some of us who have chosen to operate with the assumption that emotions just don’t matter, you know? And some of those individuals to me are not in fact denying ultimately in their conduct the impact that emotions can have. They are just, um, ignoring it. They are suppressing it. You know, they are telling themselves that they are somehow larger than their emotions, and not necessarily acknowledging that a particular response or an action they took, or a decision they made, or the tone of voice they viewed actually came from a very triggered place, you know, from a very emotional place. They just say like, emotions don’t matter. I’m thinking, what with my mind?

00:12:25 And then you have others for whom emotions matter a lot, but then they sometimes get very entrapped and quashed in those emotions and seeking to validate, you know, them for themselves and seeking to expect, you know, affirmation about the emotions from others. And, and it can be constructive at times, but also disruptive at times. And so the quest for emotional mastery begins when you first just make sure, sure, that you are aware of the inner life, not just the outer life. And the inner life means that from time to time, we will experience a certain thought or a certain emotion that we become aware of it. Let me start to pay attention to it. Maybe give it a label. Like, you know, I think I’m not frustrated, but I am kind of really, really unhappy with this person, you know? And so being able to kind of label what exactly is that feeling that you’re feeling?

00:13:18 Maybe it’s a mix of feelings. A part of me is feeling relieved, and a part of me is feeling worried at the same time, I didn’t get that project. I’m relieved ’cause I don’t have to work on it. But I’m also feeling a little apprehensive and worried that why did I not get it? You know, I, I should have gotten that project. Um, and so being able to label your emotions, being able to quantify them on at the minimum, a high, medium, low, you know, level, like, you know, is this emotion being felt at a high or a medium or a low. And anytime it’s being experienced at a high level today, there is science to share that those emotions start to unconsciously, if not consciously drive our thinking and drive our conduct. Mm-hmm. Oftentimes in ways that distort our thinking. Yeah. And that because act and say things that we may regret later, uh, or that don’t rub other people the right way.

00:14:05 If there are negative emotions, like, you know, being frustrated or being angry or being, you know, hyper anxious or being, you know, super upset and depressed or hopeless, you know, at some point people around you don’t see positive energy coming from you. You’re a net, you know, extract of energy, you know, rather than a generator of energy, you know, in the team. Um, and so, uh, so both in terms of distorting our thinking, landing in ways that don’t always, you know, um, make people feel good, um, and leaving a certain kind of, you know, energy mark there in the room. Those are all the ways in which, um, you know, lack of awareness and regulation of our emotional life can, you know, hurt us in, in, in the workplace or, or in relationships in general. And so, and so what we know today from the science of emotional mastery, which a lot of it for me, was something that I learned by, you know, really, really grateful to Dr.

00:15:00 David Burns, you know, the, uh, preeminent exponent of cognitive behavior therapy. Um, and so what I’ve learned from studying, you know, discipline like that with him and or a mindfulness based therapy and, you know, some of the neuroscience of, of, uh, you know, the wiring of the brain and, um, other very innovative forms of psychotherapy, like, for example, Dr. Dan Siegel from U C L A <inaudible> pioneered, is that we can actually think of ourselves more as the state rather than a treat in terms of our emotional response to situations. And so, rather than just label us as like, you know, I’m a very sensitive person, or I’m an angry person, or I’m depressed, you know, or I’m, I’m really anxious, you know, when I have to public speaking, recognize that those are little surges that we are getting with emotions, which could last five minutes or five seconds, or five hours or five days, or perhaps in some cases, you know, five weeks, but they can be regulated.

00:15:53 Mm-hmm. They can be regulated. And there are these methods through which we can either with changing a behavior, you know, change the emotional state, such as doing deep breathing, or taking a pause and taking a walk, or just, you know, making ourselves, you know, go up to the mirror and just smile warmly. So there’s certain behaviors we can use, then there are certain ways we can regulate and change our thoughts. Um, and then of course, there are these mindfulness based practices of just learning to sit in stillness and pull our energy and our consciousness away from my emotions, more towards the stillness and serenity that we all have access to at the very core of our being, you know, at the place where a pure spirit resides. And, and so any of, all of these, you can, you can actually use as, um, just pathways through which to step by step over time, um, gain inner victories.

00:16:43 Yes. Inner victories, and being able to choose, in a sense, your emotional response to situations that are happening around you. And what’s really special and remarkable is that while you and I, we can’t control a hundred percent our outer environment, we can’t have people behave exactly the way we want them to. We can’t have, you know, our nation behave exactly the way we want it to. We can’t have our organization behave exactly the way it wa, you know, we wanted to, and, and all of that. We can’t have life deal just the right cards to us that we want at some point in time, but we can’t always control that. When we gain, when we gain these inner victories, we create the conditions as well to gain auto victories. In other words, we start showing up with just so much more poise, so much more grace, so much more care and sensitivity and attunement, that people over time start to sense that. And then they’re more drawn to our orbit. You know, we have a certain Yes. Kind of like inner charisma at that point, and then we start getting more of that affection, appreciation, and followership and engagement and trust from the outside. So we start gradually getting the auto re as well. I mean, I don’t know, do these kind of sync up with your, your thoughts, uh, Kimberly? I mean, I know you do a lot of thinking on these topics as well, <laugh>.

Kimberly: 00:17:55 Absolutely. What you’re describing is magnetism, right? As Yogananda said, what I’m really drawn to right now is the tone and the energy of your voice, Dr. Hera. And obviously you have mastered a lot of, you know, emotional swings, um, for anyone listening and they think, oh, that sounds nice to feel calm and to witness in, in the moment when we start to do this, it’s not always easy, right? Let’s say our kids are throwing a tantrum and we haven’t slept because we have a baby. And, you know, we’re trying to juggle work at home and our temper’s really short. And so there may be a pretty big gap between feeling that calmness, like you said, and feeling, oh yes. And this is magnetic. And, um, you know, where we wanna be. So, I like how you said it’s step by step, and it is a process, and you do lay it out quite beautifully and methodically in the book, and it’s really broken down.

00:18:52 And I like others boxes and lists. But can you share a little bit about your personal journey, doctor, to really illustrate that, hey, we’re not all born calm, and we really have to focus on this. Just like we would focus on wanting to build up our, you know, bank accounts or have a beautiful garden. It all takes practice, right? Because for those of us listening and think, you know, that sounds nice, but I’m really not calm a lot of the time and I have a lot of anger inside of me, or I feel frustrated. Can you share a little bit like, Hey, you know what, and some of the strong emotions you had to learn to master doctor.

Tools to master strong emotions and bring calm into your daily life

Dr. Hitendra: 00:19:32 Oh, wow. Yeah. And you, you, you know, I, I wish, I wish it was all in the past tense, you know, the way you so graciously put it, <laugh>, but it’s very much in the present tense for me. And like you said, you know, it’s a lifelong journey. I sometimes think about sort of life as being this quest right, to go up, you know, this mountain as we were discussing to your full potential, right? And, um, you’re on the path, you know, and you’re somewhere, and you know, you need a guide, you need a coach. And, um, you know, ’cause you, you’re, you’re wanting to develop yourself, you know, to your full potential. Why would we not, you know, why would we wanna die without having come anywhere close to discovering who we could truly be? Like, you know? And in some ways it’s one of the most like romantic quests, you know, in life.

00:20:16 It’s like, oh, wow. Like, what is that like most purist, you know, most special, most resilient, most joyful, most loving part of me? You know? And, and how can I, how can I discover and, you know, really cement, you know, that that connection between myself and, and, and that, that part of me. And, and so if you think and approach life that way, then you can think about like, every life experience, you know, every life experience as just being that coach. You know, that coach. And so that coach is playing with you, you know, and sometimes it’s gonna give you periods of rest and you can chill and you know, you, you’re actually gonna cruise and you’re gonna feel like, oh, wow, I mustered my anger. You know, last week there’s not been a single bottle of anger <laugh>, that’s just the period of rest.

00:20:55 You know, the coach, like, you know, when she made you go through and, and then there, there this moment where the coach is upping the game and wanting you to now, you know, be able to hold yourself in that state of poise in even harder conditions and even more sensitive parts in your life and what have you. And that is the role of the coach. You know, the coach wants you to become such a perfect player that they keep looking for the chinks in your armor. They keep looking for very, your weak spots, and they don’t allow you to rest in your laurels for too long. You know? Yeah. If you and I can approach life that way, then, you know, perhaps you come closer to what Yogananda say once it said like, a smooth life is not a victorious life. Yeah. Um, and I love that because if you just think about it, you know, what, what’s like the ideal that, you know, many or all of us tend to want, right?

00:21:42 We wanna wake up in the morning, have our comfortable breakfast, go, you know, to work and come back and watch a couple of Netflix films, spend time with loved ones, go to sleep, get up and eat up breakfast, and go to work, come back and watch a couple of more Netflix things and have, you know, joyful moments with the family and go to sleep and, you know, do it again and do it again. And, and what happens? And then one day you grow old and then you die. I mean, was that really, was that really the, you know, the pinnacle of what like a great life is about? I mean, that was a smooth life, but with any of us call it a victorious life, right? And you realize God for a life victorious, and it has to have spins, it has to have drama, it has to have intrigue, it has to have challenges and stumbles Yes.

00:22:27 Vulnerabilities and struggles. And, and yet, you know, the, the hero in us keeps rising, you know, with every fall. And, and we, we, we keep wanting to strive for more and more, and we have some bruises here and there, but we can look back in life and feel really, really very good that, that we attempted, right? We attempted to quest for a certain kind of perfection, and whether or not we made it there, it was a beautiful quest to go on. And along the way, we found ourselves, you know, improving a little bit here and a little bit there. We became, perhaps a little bit more patient. We yes, a relationship with our mother. You know, we took certain, you know, habitual irritants, you know, out of certain situations that would just, you know, get on our nerves. But now we can actually calmly hold, you know, our ourselves, you know, in, in moments like that, et cetera.

Triggers and the 3 metrics to keep in mind

00:23:12 And so, you know, so what I would encourage our, our dear listeners is that, you know, think about three metrics. One metric is how frequently do you get triggered by something, by that email, by that comment somebody made by what’s in the news, by what somebody wrote in one of your social media posts? Or, you know, et cetera, right? So, how frequently do you get triggered? What are your triggers? And, you know, how pervasive are they? The second is when you do get triggered, then how intense is that trigger? You know, do you get low or a medium or a high level of an emotional surge in those? And then the third is, how long does it last? How long does it last? And so, in my case, where I have seen the greatest growth in a very tangible way come for me, um, I would say is the last one in particular that I, I definitely have over time, seen myself be able to rest back stewardship and ownership over my emotion from, from those triggers, right?

00:24:11 So it doesn’t mean the triggers have gone away, but I’ve been able to bring it back, um, to a more centered place faster than before. Um, and then in certain situations, which have a certain repetitive nature to them, I have found that with some conscious training, you know, I’ve gradually come to a point where something that used to be an irritant, now it just becomes something I have to be watchful about. You know? Yes. Or that I need to just be mindfully aware that I need to create the space to accept a certain something. ’cause I’m engaging, I’m engaging with the organization, I’m engaging with the team, I’m engaging the relationship. I’m engaging with that culture. So while that irritant is there, I’m choosing to engage. If I’m choosing to engage, I might as well accept a certain part of it that I cannot change, you know?

00:24:52 So yes, gradually you start, um, seeing a little bit more patience, you know, creep in. And finally, my, my last thought on this one is, um, look, you are gonna fail from time to time. I mean, I fail, you know, miserably often. And, um, one thing which has given me peace of mind is, um, you know, the comfort with which to sort of like, apologize, you know? Mm-hmm. And own that, you know, own that from your side, that I’m truly contrive. You know, I, that you, what was just served up to you, you know, an hour ago or a day ago, was not my best self. And I do not wish to act from that place. And I certainly do not wish to infuse that energy into you guys, you know, my team or into you, so and so, you know, my loved one. And so I, I apologize, you know, I apologize about that. I’m a work in progress. Um, I hope you will understand that I’m striving to become a better version of me. And, you know, and what I really meant to say was this, or something like that.

Kimberly: 00:25:44 Beautiful, beautiful. Clean up the mess.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:25:47 Yeah. Yeah.

Kimberly: 00:25:48 <laugh>, thank you for sharing all of that, doctor. And one of the things that really stood out to me when you were speaking was awareness, right? So, you know, when I was saying, oh, you know, people are really struggling with these big emotions, sadness, or anxiety, or frustration, or anger, whatever it is, it doesn’t mean we have to be perfect. But I think one of the strengths of your book is highlighting the core energies, right? In finding just this awareness of tuning back in. So for instance, you were talking about, oh, a smooth life isn’t really a successful life, but one of the energies is growth, right? So we can’t control if we get laid off or, you know, the restaurants out of all our favorite meals or whatever it is. But back to self-growth, where we can put the spotlight is how can I grow from this?

Awareness and what it means to tune back in

00:26:40 How can I keep growing? You know, Yogananda used it, used the term psychological antique, which I love so much about how we start to decay when we’re living this same pattern, right? Then life starts to be very stagnant. So I think just bringing energy, bringing it back to these, um, these core energies is really powerful. And I love that you bring up, I mean, there’s so many notes as I was taking the book, but I really love that you bring leading with love, right? A core energy of love into life and into business. Because again, you’re teaching M b A students, you’re working with tech companies, and sometimes in our society, doctors, as you know, love is sort of perceived as infatuation or this romantic realm versus this energy, the Bhakti path, like love at the core of the true self of who we are. And can you paint a picture a little bit of how love might look in the business world, in, you know, professional world in teaching a M B A class at Columbia?

Dr. Hitendra: 00:27:43 Yeah. I’m, I’m glad that you’re zooming in on, on that energy and, and it’s, it’s such a beautiful one. It’s such a beautiful one. Um, and you’re right, you know, in the business world, it’s often met with a little bit of sort of, you know, head shaking. Like, really what? Like, we are gonna talk about love now, um, <laugh>. And, and yet, it’s funny, right? Because, because, um, the business world is starting to get quietly infused with some of these ideals. You know, for example, empathy has become a big, you know, big issue. Yes. Compassion. Um, the notion of, um, you know, creating a culture of shared connection and belonging, um, you know, the, the idea of a human-centered organization, the idea of really being committed to looking after your people and developing them, et cetera. Now, how can you be, how can you be a leader who’s really committed to the mental health of your people, and to their wellbeing and their level of engagement, and, you know, seeking to be empathetic towards them and create this human centered, how can you do any or all of that if you do not love them?

00:28:46 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, I love, I simply mean the following. I’m gonna define it, you know, very mathematically, love is about taking joy and their joy and finding success in their success. Mm.

Kimberly: 00:28:58 Wow. I’ve never heard it defined that clearly <laugh> in

Dr. Hitendra: 00:29:01 That way. No. You know, I mean, like, how can you be really committed to somebody’s development or their mental health if their pain is not really felt a little bit by you or their success is not something that you truly, personally also feel a little celebration about? Now. Now, if you were to think about it that way, then let’s recognize that, you know, there are these moments where we do, where we do fall in love, where we experience love. You know, it could be on the romantic plane, right? It could be with, uh, a child, you know, who’s born to us, right? And in those moments, they’re like these small victories, you know, that that little toddler might sort of attain of, of going from, you know, purely crawling to the first little step that they take. And it’s so, so interesting to see that parent, you know, explode with, with, with so much of a sense of pride, you know, a as the success of that little toddler becomes their own success, you know?

00:29:48 And, and, and, and similarly, you know, if you have a loved one and they’re in pain and, you know, they’re, they’re just hurting. You know, they could be in any part of the world. You may not even be in talking terms with them, but it’s, you know, it’s a certain heaviness of heart that you feel, you know, it’s as if like a part of you, a part of you is sort of not, you know, not in a good place. Um, and so to me, it’s as if like nature has conspired. And again, you know, yoga Nun is behind a lot of this in terms of my own opening of my eyes. But nature has conspired to give us these little experiences mm-hmm. <affirmative> through which to perhaps whisper to us that you have no idea the capacity of your heart to love. You have no idea.

00:30:30 Mm. Let me show you something. Let me show you something by fussing, you know, your sense of identity from between just you to like you and this person now, yes. But expand it further to this family unit now, you know, but taking this friend that you have a very platonic relationship with, but, but seeing how actually their, you know, success becomes your success, you know, and all of that, right? And so, whether it’s a sports team that really feels that sense of connection, whether it’s a nation, a very patriotic moment that just comes together, you know, like we all did in America in nine 11, you know, when that happened, the kind of unity we felt in this country, a certain singularity of purpose, people like come together, really support New York when those who, you know, lost, you know, so much at that time, et cetera, you know, suddenly the heart expands, right?

00:31:11 Yes. And, and, and to me, like, you know, just like, just like you as a student of human potential, right? What, what this is doing is giving us a glimpse of the untapped capacities there are within us. And, and all, you know, all that I offer in that, you know, work around living and leading with love is like, why not just be more intentional about it? Why just wait for the next stumble to happen? Why not just recognize that perhaps life is inviting us to be in love with the whole world, right? Unconditionally, universally, and selflessly.

Kimberly: 00:31:49 Hmm. Beautiful, beautiful. And like you said, the unity that comes the harmony, it creates motivation. It creates teams to come together to show up at work with more enthusiasm to work together on projects better. It really is practical as well as the truth, as well as it just feels amazing to be in a place of love and compassion versus division and disharmony. So thank you for bringing that forward as one of the core energies as you so beautifully and eloquently put. And I wanna now focus Dr. On wisdom. So you and I are students, you know, we’re all students in different ways. I love to read scripture <laugh>, I’ve read, um, I spent a year and a half reading over and over again the commentary of On the Bava Gita, because I was so deeply trying to understand. And as you know, it’s a very thick <laugh>, um, commentary.

00:32:47 And then I love to read, you know, the Bible. I love to read Rumi. I love to read texts. Not everybody loves to read, right? The, these old teachings and the wisdom. And I remember reading in, in your book again, inner Mastery Outer Impact, where you said you read, I believe it was journey to Self-realization, collection of essays from Yogananda. And you said, I didn’t feel like I was really learning anything new. It was awakening wisdom inside of me. So what would you say to someone listening to this saying, I’m busy, I don’t read texts. I don’t know if I have wisdom inside. How do I access this core energy that Dr. Hitendra is talking about in this modern world, which isn’t always attuning to wisdom, it’s tuned to quick videos on TikTok and, you know, visual imagery on, on Instagram. How do we find wisdom in the modern day?

Finding wisdom in the modern day

Dr. Hitendra: 00:33:41 Mm. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one, um, very humbling lesson for me over the years has been how, um, how little the correlation is between wisdom and the perceived material, academic advanced, like accomplishments, you know, that somebody may have on their resume. You know, I appreciate that I value that I pursued that path in my own life, you know, having gone all the way to spending years and years, <laugh>, you know, doing research and, and, and getting, getting, getting a PhD. But at the same time, the wisdom we are referring to is not merely an analytical sharpness. You know, the wisdom we are referring to is a capacity to be able to tune in to whatever it is that in that moment will be best in service of, you know, yourself and the people around you. Um, you know, what is the universe seeking to make you manifest?

00:34:45 You know, what is the quality of your core, you know, that you should be expressing at that time? And what should you be recognizing and drawing off from the people around you in order to pursue a certain common positive purpose? You know, if the common positive purpose is to lovingly, you know, work with, uh, a certain, yeah, you know, like a child who just come back from school and is very troubled about something that happened at school, um, and is, is like a six year old, you know, that will require a very different kind of way of truth seeking and sensing and, you know, putting one’s own, you know, predispositions, predispositions aside, you know, like an adult and, and, um, being able to be fully there and present and responsive and caring, you know, for that child. And that would be true wisdom in that moment.

00:35:32 You know, very different from, you know, having a conversation between two scientists at work, you know, to really advance the research agenda of that labs, you know, for the next year and all of that. And so, um, so, so to me, um, wisdom, um, as I’ve sort of like proposed and offered it, uh, is, um, yes, in part a acquisition of the more traditional sort of iq like, you know, reading, writing, rhythmic and advanced reasoning skills and knowledge of one kind and another kind, depending on your domain of expertise. And what is it that you’re seeking to really master and, you know, and offer to the world as like your distinctive stamp. Yes, there is that, but it’s also about becoming aware of how emotions affect the clarity of your thinking, becoming aware of how there are distortions from time to time in our thoughts.

00:36:20 And therefore, learning to challenge your thoughts and, you know, pull away from, you know, from those tendencies. Um, learning to recognize that we are all locked in by a certain set of beliefs, you know, that we tend to be very just sort of blindsided by, and being open and flexible about stepping back and challenging some of your own belief systems so you can keep enhancing and advancing and expanding them to the point where you just become one in tune, you know, in a sense like with, with the underlying, you know, uh, matrix of the universe. Um, but, but also being sort of non-attached, non-attached to, um, truth in whichever form has to come to you, not, not feeling like, oh, wow, you know, this person better, like, this thing I’ve done. Otherwise, I will, you know, just feel devastated, or I’ll feel like this person doesn’t really care for, you know, for me as a professional or something.

00:37:10 No, you know, can you just be open to, to receive the, the facts that are being offered to you, and then objectively make an analysis or what this reveals to you, you know, in the, um, strengths and weaknesses of the product that you put together. You, right? And so the capacity to be non-attached, serenely, non-attached to any signal that comes to you to tune in, learn from it, to extract from it, but not be hoping and wanting and wishing, and, you know, biasing your thinking. So to say, so have the non-attachment. And, and ultimately, you know, once one is fully in tune from that place of calm perception, you know, and, and a certain nobility of intention from your side to just be non-attached. Then at times, it’s funny, you know, at times wisdom can just be a little stirring that you feel at the very center of your being. And it’s, it’s like the suspicion you have or the sudden insight that comes to you or what have you. And who knows, maybe it has come from something you read or heard or learned about, you know, in years past or in recent times, or maybe it’s just <laugh>, maybe it’s just some something between the cosmos and you Yeah. Just intuitive. And you felt, and you were able to give language and form too.

Kimberly: 00:38:23 I think that’s such an important, um, message, doctor, what I was, you know, hinting at where I wanted, you know, <laugh> wanted to bring forward. It’s not about how much you read, right? Some of us like to read, some of us don’t, some of us like to, you know, do this or that, but inside of all of us is that true self is that inner guidance. You keep using the term tuning in, and you use that throughout the book as well. So it’s really highlighting that the wisdom is inside of us. And like you said, if we create space, we do the practices, you lay out a lot of, um, you know, guideposts, if you will, and practices in here and steps. And I like that it’s, you know, these little boxes that I so appreciate makes it easy to read. Sometimes I think wisdom is also listening, doctor, when we don’t want to, right? We get this message the right thing to do. So we start to rise up into saying, this is the right thing, even if I don’t wanna do it right? Because we know it’s the right thing to do. We start to develop that strength of listening and following, and not just doing the egoic, oh, this feels nice, or this egoic, you know, indulgence. I’m just gonna, you know, scream or ignore it, or pretend I didn’t see that. But the wisdom guides us back to aligning, aligning with the truth more and more.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:39:40 Yeah. I mean, that’s beautiful. That’s beautiful. Um, I, I’d like to believe that all of us have an inner voice.

Kimberly: 00:39:48 Yeah.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:39:49 That in some ways our greatest responsibility. Our greatest responsibility, especially in an ever confusing world where today, as you know, I mean, trust is breaking down so much. You know, we have low trust in the media and the government and just every institution out there. So what are we gonna lean on? You know, what are we gonna lean on? Even science while it’s, um, yeah, in a sense, the chosen medium, right? Of truth seeking today, uh, in modern times it still struggles, you know, with its own firewalls and failings and, you know, every, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you know, we see the science of yesterday being up ined by the science of today, and definitely the science of tomorrow will upend the science of today in some ways, right? And so who do you trust? What do you trust? And, and in that regard, I, I do think that like, you know, developing that attunement, as you’ve said, the capacity to really go in and listen, to listen, like, listen to what, like, listen to somehow some kind of whispers and stirrings that come from within.

00:40:48 And each of us will have our own sort of, I think, sense and experience of it when we truly, truly not necessarily, um, been duped by our own attachments and our ego, but are truly surrender to and open ourselves up. And then, you know, had a certain, certain stirring, a certain flash, a certain idea, a certain thought, a certain inkling that, uh, over time has played itself out in a way we feel like, oh, wow. Like, it’s amazing, you know, I don’t know how it happened, but I, I actually sense that, you know, I could see that, you know, some of us are perhaps more in touch with that than others. Gandhi, this is one of my favorite stories in the book, but like, Gandhi was asked by this American journalist, you know, you know, he keeps talking about his inner voice and how much it matters to him.

00:41:30 And, and, um, you know, and, and, but there are a lot of people who have done bad things who also claim that they’ve done it on the basis of like their so-called inner voice, right? So this journalist was very skeptical about this idea. And, and so you asked Gandhi, and so Gandhi, how, how do you make sure that, that you truly are listening to that voice, not just kind of some, you know, some kind of rogue, rogue voice out there, right? So how can you make, so do you first have to make sure that it’s the true inner voice and then, and then you surrender to it? Is that what you’re saying? Mr. Gandhi? And he said that Gandhi looked at him, his eyes popped out as though like, you know, I was completely off from everything he, you know, offered me so far about his, his life journey and his teachings. ’cause he said, like, Gali looked at me and said, it’s actually the complete opposite. It’s the complete opposite, because it’s not that first you have to convince yourself is the right question, then you surrender. He says, first you surrender.

Kimberly: 00:42:22 Mm.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:42:24 First you surrender, and then you can be confident that it’s the inner voice.

Kimberly: 00:42:28 Hmm.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:42:30 Isn’t that interesting?

Kimberly: 00:42:32 Yes. That is so impactful. You surrender first.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:42:39 And that’s what those people who have had the delusion of what they claimed they were following as an inner voice, but actually were, you know, letting themselves be fooled into doing things which were really bad for the world, you know, bad for themselves. They were more perhaps in the grip of their ego or of a certain attachment, rather than truly having surrendered.

Kimberly: 00:43:00 Mm-hmm. Wow. What a powerful story. I, so doctor, I just have a few more questions. I could talk to you all day, but we’re, as we wrap up here, could you touch a little bit on the term, um, or where you talk about fussing opposites? ’cause that seems to relate a bit to letting go of attachments and our preconceived ideas and expectations and things have to be just so of course leads us down the path of judgment. Can you talk about fussing opposites?

We discuss the spiritual discipline of fussing opposites

Dr. Hitendra: 00:43:31 Yeah. You know, I mean, it’s, it’s a beautiful and almost very spiritual discipline, you know, because we, um, you know, we have in the modern times in the West advanced so much on the basis of a very organized binary logic. You know, something is true then the opposite is false, and it’s the basis of, you know, modern logic in mathematics and, and, uh, and so much more. Uh, and yet even here in the west, we have in the last, what, a hundred years, you know, had a sudden, you know, profundity of new insights that have emerged around, for example, quantum physics, where you find that these, you know, binary logic kind of things just break down and, and, um, something can be a wave and a particle at the, at the same time, you know, for instance. And, and these scientists, you know, went, you know, to the east to try to make some method, you know, outta what they were seeing as a new madness, you know, that was entering science.

00:44:27 And, and they found a lot of peace from the, um, you know, ancient scriptures of India, you know, like the <inaudible> and things. Because, uh, there you find that, you know, this is in fact the way creation is explained. You know, the, uh, material world is explained that it has a certain duality to it. It has a certain, you know, sense of opposites to it, and it’s in the fusion of those opposites that you’re able to see more of the complete picture and the complete truth. And, and so that’s a afford though. But, you know, if you take that idea and you’re just gonna apply that to everything and anything around you, that, um, real maturity and discernment and nuancing in our understanding of life and the world comes when we are able to, you know, hold two opposing ideas, beautiful mind, and seek to fuse them and bring, bring them together. And then it’s kind as a fear, we’re stepping back from this like, drama, you know, this puppet game, you know, that is going on, on, on life and can become master puppeteer, right? You can see all, all these pieces, you know, all these pieces,

Kimberly: 00:45:25 Right? Oh, beautifully said. Like it goes back to what we said about love, connection, harmony, instead of this us, them, the enemy, the other side, the other team flag of the other country, right? It’s this union where we connect, you know, where we find that. So, so beautifully said, doctor. And then to wrap up, um, if you could briefly touch on, one of the energies we didn’t get to talk about today was self-realization, which is very close to your heart and my heart. And you have a really interesting stage, uh, part of the book where you touch on the stages of the mind. Could you briefly just take us through those stages and, you know, maybe a sentence or two about each one?

Self-realization and the 5 stages of the mind

Dr. Hitendra: 00:46:05 Yeah. You know, I source that in many ways from like, again, my study of Yogananda’s, uh, exposition of the path of yoga, and within that, the Paton Yoga sutras in the different stages through which the human mind, you know, evolves and develops in the pursuit of sexualization. But, but the same is true of, you know, many other mystic uh, findings and teachings as well. You look at St. Teresa of Ala and, you know, she has these beautiful sort of ways in which she talks about her journey towards, you know, ization towards God, towards these different chambers that she has to walk, you know, through which are basically just like, again, very progressive stages of the elevation of the human consciousness. And, and so I wanted to kind of bring it down into a little bit of like a, you know, practical form, you know, more accessible form for, you know, for any or all of us, you know, who, who haven’t necessarily invested in those more deeper kind of studies.

00:46:56 And so, uh, so yeah, so I have these five stages, just like as I do for every other of the four energies as well, right? And so for this fifth one ization, those five stages are the first is, you know, the tempered mind. And, and the idea there is that, um, you can’t even think about going down the path towards wanting to gain some kind of inner know tranquility and peace and stillness and all that. If you aren’t, you know, at least at some level, you know, engaging in a certain ownership and stewardship over your mind in everyday moments. If you let yourself be too unhinged in the way you’re living your everyday life, well then it’s gonna be really hard when in those moments you want to gain mind mastery because, because you basically, 99% of the time just allowed your mind to kind of like be completely out of, out of control.

00:47:37 And so, so the temperate mind is just about temperance. It’s about sort of recognizing sort of like how much of a ownership and stewardship we need to have over a mind in our everyday moments, the thoughts, the feelings, you know, that we allow it to, you know, be, be engaged with, uh, are the feelings of gratitude and engagement and harmony, or are there feelings of yeah, just like despair and happiness and addiction or what have you. So that’s the first, the tempered mind. Second then is, you know, the interiorized mind, you know, and, and the intent there is that, okay, once you’ve, you know, once you kind of like start to intentionally, you know, pursue mind mastery at some level, the first thing you’ve gotta do is simplify the conditions. You’ve gotta, you’ve gotta kind of like walk away a little bit from the sensory, you know, dance, you know, that, that, uh, constantly distracts, uh, the mind from the outside.

00:48:20 And so the interiorized mind, you know, is about inviting a certain level of physical stillness and sensory stillness to be able to take the mind, take the mind within, and then once you’re able to pull away from the sensor a little bit, then you get to what I call the focused mind. And, you know, and the focused mind is where you say, okay, now I’ve kind of got my mind undistracted. What am I gonna do with it? You know, I could, I could use it to just, um, you know, stew and hit, you know, over something really terrible that I’m just unhappy with. And well, then that’s a lot of focused energy you’re bringing to that state hate, but why would you and I wanna do that, right? The whole point of mind mastery is to take us to places of elevated consciousness. And so, you know, so in the contemplative traditions among the mystic in the world, I mean, you know, the focused mind is developed by, you know, putting the minds into a certain place where you’re either repeating a certain mantra or certain affirming kind of positive, you know, words or, or you’re seeking to, um, yeah, just sing devotion a certain, you know, hymn or a chant or, or, um, you know, just otherwise focusing on your breath or doing a certain visualization.

00:49:23 So those are anchors through which you’re putting your mind into a certain intentionally positive place that you are drawn to, depending on what is it that you are wanting to pursue. For me, you know, it is at times of a visualization about an expanding sphere of joy. You know, I, I I, I get a lot of personal mm, you know, fulfillment from, from the idea of the pursuit of ecstasy and bliss and joy, you know, as, as like the core Mm. Of what I see at the top of that mountaintop, you know, for me. And then, um, you go from that focused mind to what I call the tranquil minds, you know? And that’s the point where you reach where you know, you, you don’t even have to do any of these practices because your mind becomes, becomes so still, and perhaps even infused with, with love or, or wisdom or, or joy or one of these other qualities of the soul.

00:50:10 Um, and it’s a little, it is a little victory. It’s a little bit, a little glimpse that you’re getting of the top of the mountain for whatever period of time. It might be a microsecond or a few seconds, or perhaps even in some cases, you know, you have the grace of being in that state for, for, for a few hours, you know, and then, and then you lose it. You, you, you want it back in, in your life. But, but it’s something that you have to, you know, over time, really practice to make that state ultimately like a trait. And when it becomes a trait, that’s when you enter the fifth and final, you know, of these five minds. And that is what I call the unshakeable mind, you know? Mm-hmm. Aha. Mind is that place that, uh, you know, I mean, it’s my way of approximating something that Yogananda and so much more richness would describe as alpa, which, which is <crosstalk> for, for our friends.

00:50:57 But, uh, it’s a state where you are just, um, you know, um, yeah, unshakeable, you know, it doesn’t matter what’s happening in life, what’s not happening in life, et cetera. There’s a center. There’s a core within you. And while you engage with the milieu of what’s happening outside, there’s a part of you that is always in that state of grace. Mm-hmm. That’s always that core, that is feeling that current, you know, of peace, of love, joy, just flowing through you, and that awareness just never declines even when you’re engaged in the battlefields of life. So, yeah. Beautiful,

Kimberly: 00:51:23 Beautiful

Dr. Hitendra: 00:51:25 Interiorized, mind focused mind, tranquil mind and unshakeable mind.

Kimberly: 00:51:29 You know, when you were describing the bliss, the unshakeable mind is where I aspire to doctor, where the inner world is more real than out here, <laugh>, you know, like we can be in both. Yogananda said, sometimes, you know, the things that seem real aren’t really real, and the things that don’t seem real are real. You know, I’m, I’m paraphrasing there, but this idea that there are these levels. And again, it’s, the book is so beautifully laid out and it’s so practical. Thank you so much, doctor, for sharing your, your wisdom and your incredible distillation down of these really important, um, practices and teachings for life. Whether you’re, you know, a busy mom wanting to create more joy and peace in your life, or you are a busy business executive and you’re wanting to create more harmony within your teams and more, uh, forward motion in your projects. This book is for everyone. Can you tell us where we can get this book and a little bit where we can find more information on you and your work, doctor?

Dr. Hitendra: 00:52:33 Yeah. My, my joy. So, um, you know, the book is available in any, you know, bookstore of your choice, but certainly online as well at all the major, you know, bookstores. Um, and, um, yeah, I welcome engagement and connection with any or all of you. And, you know, if you go to my website, hitendra.com, then there is an invitation to sign up for a newsletter. You’ll also find many of my articles there recently written one, just, um, you know, uh, on, on America’s independence and, uh, some struggle I had, but also how I finally resolved it. Mm. To, you know, our, you know, one of our key founding fathers, George Washington. So, um, so every now and then I, I write something and I put it up both on the website, but also more regularly in my newsletter. Uh, and then for those of you interested in the business side of what I do, there’s the Mentor Institute.

00:53:20 So that’s just Mentor Institute. It is, um, beautiful. It’s been really, yeah. Very, very soul stirring to spend this time with you. You know, um, I thank you for all the, both the beautiful work you’re doing on the outside to, um, offer up something of such deep intent and clarity to, um, your community at a time so critical, you know, in the world that we live in. But, but also, I thank you for the inner work that you’re doing because, you know, it’s quite evident to me that that’s been obviously at the very center of what it is that you are pursuing. And, you know, without that inner work, it’s um, you know, it’s so incomplete, you know, whatever it’s, that we can offer on the outside, isn’t it? So this has been a great joy and, um, you know, Godspeed to all our listeners, you know, have a beautiful life ahead. And thank you for having me here today, Kimberly.

Kimberly: 00:54:08 Oh, it’s so much, so much gratitude. So much appreciation. Thank you so much, Dr. Namaste.

Dr. Hitendra: 00:54:14 Yeah. Namaste.

Kimberly: I hope you enjoyed our conversation today. As much as I loved speaking with Dr. Entra, he has so much wisdom and I really love his book and how it’s laid out and how easy it is to read. And you can see how he’s really fusing these spiritual teachings in through business, through his MBA program, through modern life. I think this book is truly an important one to add to your collection. So again, it’s called

Kimberly: 05:56 Inner Mastery Outer Impact. We will link to it directly in the show notes as well as other podcasts I think you would enjoy, and articles, recipes, meditations, and more. We will be back here Thursday for our next Q and a podcast. So till then, take great care of your beautiful, unique self, sending you lots and lots of love and see you back here soon.