This week’s topic is: From Troubled Teen to Helping Others Find Radical Love with Rosie Acosta
I am so excited to have my very special guest, Rosie Acosta, who is the author of “You Are Radically Loved: A Healing Journey to Self-Love“, an Inspirational Speaker, Yoga & Meditation Teacher, Yoga Teacher Trainer, Holistic Health Coach, as well as the founder of Radically Loved: Yoga, Health + Wellness and host of Radically Loved. Listen in as Rosie shares what radical love means to her, what the meaning of life is, how to find your purpose, and ways to cope when grief and loss arise, and so much more.
- Rosie’s journey towards self-love…
- What is Radical Love…
- Practices for finding that safety within ourselves…
- We discuss what the meaning of life is to us and our purpose…
- Why never is always wrong and always is never right…
- Grief and loss and how to come back to the truth within yourself…
About Rosie Acosta
Rosie Acosta has studied yoga and mindfulness for more than 20 years and taught for over a decade. She hosts a weekly conversational wellness podcast called, Radically Loved. A first-gen Mexican-American, Rosie’s mission is to help others overcome adversity and experience radical love. She’s been featured in Yoga Journal, Well + Good, Forbes, and The New York Post. She currently lives in the greater Los Angeles region known as The Valley.
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Kimberly: 00:01 Hi, loves and welcome back for our Monday interview podcast. Here, we have a wonderful guest for you today. Her name is Rosie Acosta. She is the author of a new book called you are radically loved a healing journey to self love. She has been a yoga and mindfulness teacher for more than 20 years, and she has worked with a wide range of students from NFL champs and BA stars, Olympic athletes. She has such a beautiful grounding embodied energy of love that when I first connected with her, I thought I, this is someone that’s walking the walk. So I think you’ll enjoy Rosie very much. And we talk about her new book before we get into the show today, though.
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Kimberly: And my last little announcement here is that our new community book, I don’t like to say it’s my book, because it really does feel like it belongs to everybody. These teachings should be accessible to all that have been around for thousands of years. These teachings that have profoundly impacted my life and allowed me to create all the good in my life. I’ll credit it for everything right? Books create a beautiful family, live a life of more freedom and peace. All of this is in my new book. You are more than you think you are practical enlightenment for everyday life. It’s my playbook. It’s the teachings practices that have really helped me. And there’s nothing more that I would like to do than share it with you and support you in your path. So please check it out. Now. It’s available. Everywhere books are sold. All right, all of these little announcements being said, let’s get right into our podcast today with the lovely love filled Rosie Acosta.
Interview with Rosie Acosta
Kimberly: 00:01 Rosie. I’m so happy. You’re here in my house. I haven’t had a, um, like a in-person podcast in a while. And I, when I went on your podcast for my book, I just loved your energy. I
Rosie: 00:12 Loved your
Kimberly: 00:12 Energy too. And I said, this is someone I want around
Rosie: 00:15 Me. Me, you did, you literally were like, you have to come to my house. And I was like, okay,
Kimberly: 00:21 I love having, um, you know, just likeminded, loving women around in particular. Yeah. It’s something that really lights me up. Yeah. And so I just, I love, I love the, the pureness to Rosie. I really, I really see through to your heart. And I’m so excited to share you with the community. So first of all, thank you. So congratulations on your book. You are radically loved a healing journey to self-love. I mean, what the world needs right now is to learn more about self-love. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about your journey to self-love Rosie, because I know there’s a, some juiciness in there. Tell us a little bit about your background. Yeah, so
Rosie’s journey towards self-love
Rosie: 01:00 I grew up in east during the LA riots in a really chaotic environment. So my parents are first gen, uh, yeah. They’re yes. Tech tech, tech check,
Kimberly: 01:14 Check, check sound. Okay. Yeah, it sounds great. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Rosie: 01:17 Um, my, my parents immigrated from Mexico, so I lived a neighborhood that was largely immigrant families. You,
Kimberly: 01:25 But you were born here.
Rosie: 01:26 I was born here. Yeah. Yeah. And we were, you know, like just, I always call it like, you know, kind of like latchkey kids. Yes. We, we just, all the neighborhood kids kind of just, it was like Lord of the flies, like just a bunch of kids everywhere, all time. And it was fun. I, I do have really fond memories of, of being little and playing in a neighborhood just with a bunch of kids all day and all night just playing. But as we got older, more of the, the older kids started to get involved in gangs and it was really quickly overrun by violence and, you know, different and people would come in and out there was domestic abuse and it was just really chaotic. And,
Kimberly: 02:08 And were your parents part of that or did they know what was going on? So my
Rosie: 02:11 Parents just worked all the time. You know, they, they just, they, they thought, well, we’re here in the us, and this is better than where we’re from. And this is we’re here to provide a better opportunity. We lived in this small, like little housing project with two bedroom with like 10 people, aunts and uncles. And my grandmother took, took care of us. Like my little a who’s like amazing. I love her so much. But so it was, it was really intense, you know? So I experienced as I got older, like drive by shootings and goodness, you know, seeing somebody gets stabbed, like
Kimberly: 02:45 You witnessed that.
Rosie: 02:46 Yes. And how old
Kimberly: 02:48 Were you? Oh,
Rosie: 02:48 God, I was like probably six
Kimberly: 02:50 Or seven. Oh
Rosie: 02:51 My gosh. Yeah. Yeah. So suffering from insomnia, just, you know, but what I like to explain to people is when you’re growing up with a bunch of other kids that are experiencing the same thing, you don’t really know that there’s anything wrong.
Kimberly: 03:05 You just, it’s your reality. It’s
Rosie: 03:06 Your reality. And the, my parents, my family would watch this Spanish news. And in Spanish news they always show like these really gory, like it’s different than us based news. And so I just felt like I lived in this really chaotic world. And I always say that I’m a recovering Catholic because I was being raised with this belief. That hell was something that happened if you were bad and after you died. And so I was trying to grapple with the idea of, it feels like this is hell. You know what I mean? Like, this feels really chaotic to me, to a small child, you know what I mean? And so by the time I was a teenager, I was suffering from debilitating panic attacks and anxiety. And you
Kimberly: 03:52 Didn’t have any tools,
Rosie: 03:53 Zero none.
Kimberly: 03:54 I mean, did you have any siblings you would talk to about this or
Rosie: 03:57 My older sister. Yeah. But like
Kimberly: 04:00 She was in it too. Yeah.
Rosie: 04:01 Like how, how do you talk to some, that’s what I’m saying. Like there was nobody really to talk to, you know,
Kimberly: 04:07 And you didn’t know anything different?
Rosie: 04:09 No. You just grow up like that, you know? Gosh. So then by the time I was a teenager, I was getting in trouble with the law. I was, you know, I became a product of my environment. Everybody else was, you know, getting involved in like gangs or selling drugs or just being bad kids. And so I had a couple of run-ins with the law myself, and then I finally got arrested for trying to steal a cop car. And
Kimberly: 04:38 What did you were you to do with a cop
Rosie: 04:39 Car? I, this wasn’t a very well thought out plan. So I talk about it in the book like that story’s in there because it was one of the, it was just like a ridiculous situation. And I was lucky. Look, I, I got really lucky. I’m a girl. Like, had I been a boy? I would’ve been, I treated com completely differently. You
Kimberly: 05:02 Mean by the police or? Yeah. By the
Rosie: 05:04 Police. By the police? Yeah.
Kimberly: 05:05 Oh yeah.
Rosie: 05:06 You know, so I got arrested and I talk about this moment. Right. As I’m getting booked, um, the officers like, you know, getting all my information and he looks at me and he’s like welcome to life in the system. Wow. Yeah. And I was like, absolutely not.
Kimberly: 05:25 Wait, you, were you under 18? I was,
Rosie: 05:26 Yeah. I was 15.
Kimberly: 05:28 Yeah. And was that the moment where you were like, I’m not gonna be a product? I’m
Rosie: 05:31 Absolutely not. Yeah. I’m like AB I will not allow this to be my reality. Wow. You know, even though there was, and I think that, that part of me that was that spark moment where I, I felt like, okay, I always felt like I was observing my life, you know? And I wanna get into this when we, when I tell you about the self realization. Yes. Um, connection that we have. But I just always felt like observing my life from that vantage point, just growing up the way I did. And I did always feel like this was temporary. I’m like, this is not forever. Yes. I’m going through this, but this is not forever. And so after I got arrested, I had to really change my life. And so I had to do with the thing that everybody fears, right. Like taking myself away from my tribe, ex communicating myself from my friends, because I knew that hanging out with the same people I was hanging out with was just gonna get me in trouble. And I was on probation. And
Kimberly: 06:28 Was it, um, was there also like a boyfriend that was part of the gang or was it more just friends?
Rosie: 06:32 It was just like friends and I wasn’t even involved in a gang. I was like a, a punk rock kid just
Kimberly: 06:38 Running around. I
Rosie: 06:39 Was like a misfit, you know, like, cause I, I needed to be punk rock because that mean I didn’t have to wear like a certain color. Right. I didn’t have to belong to anybody. I was just kind of like fit in with everyone. Yeah. You
Kimberly: 06:51 Know, it was almost like a survival. Survival.
Rosie: 06:53 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. Yeah. So it was during that time, my mom came home one day with some of these pamphlets.
How Paramahansa Yogananda’s message resonated with Rosie’s life thus far…
Kimberly: 07:01 Oh. And, and Rosie’s pointing to, um, cuz I have it around me always Paramahansa Yogananda meditation organization is the self realization fellowship. So I have some of them here yeah. On our couch where we’re talking. Yeah.
Rosie: 07:14 Which is so wild because after, well, it was interesting. I, when I got your, your book, you are more than you think you are. And I got the, um, the proof.
Kimberly: 07:25 Yes. The gal copy
Rosie: 07:26 The galley copy. And I started to read it and I was like, oh my goodness. Like I need to talk to Kimberly. Like this is so incredible because it resonated so much of that resonated with me. And I’m like, oh, this is, this is, this is me. Like, this is my, my highest self. Like this is who I am the truth of who you are. I know. And so I was like, okay, this was, took me right back to the beginning. Right. So I was suffering from these really intense panic attacks. And my mom came home with pamphlets. She was working at the children’s hospital, um, off of Vermont in Hollywood. Oh, okay. So right by the self realization, the
Kimberly: 08:07 Hollywood center Hollywood center. Wait, so how old were you now? I was
Rosie: 08:11 Still like 15, 16 years
Kimberly: 08:12 Old. Oh my gosh. You were introduced to Guruci quite young. Yes. Had you ever meditated before? I
Rosie: 08:17 Had never meditated before, so I got the pamphlets and I’m looking through it and I’m, I’m liking what it’s saying. Because at that point I was really into esoteric
Kimberly: 08:27 Things. You were open.
Rosie: 08:28 I was so open. I was like anything new age I wanted to consume it. I’m like, I want to know, I want to understand myself. Like I want to learn. And I had already been sort of kicked out of, of catechism classes and which I talk about in the book. It’s actually a funny story, but I was already sort of excommunicated from Catholicism. So I was looking for something, you know, and this happened to come at the perfect moment. So I ditched school one day and I took the bus to the center and I got there and everybody like was so smiling and nice. And I was like, this is a cold, I’m like, this feels a very strange, like, why are people so happy? And I went into the temple, they were doing a se like a lecture in the meditation hall. And I go and I sit down and this woman is just this English woman is like speaking. And she’s talking about, you know, happiness. And, and I’m just kind of like looking around and observing and you know, people are sparse, you know, people are just sitting there like listening to her and I’m just like, this is kind of cool. Like the energy here is fun. I I’m enjoying this. This feels nice. And then she said something pertaining to us being responsible for our own happiness. Right. So like how we are responsible. Like we get to decide,
Kimberly: 09:48 We choose, we choose.
Rosie: 09:50 And that to me gave me pause. Mm. Especially at that age, because I’d never anything like that. All I had ever heard was follow the rules.
Kimberly: 10:00 You’re in the system,
Rosie: 10:01 This you’re in the system. Like this is the only way that you can ever achieve solace is through like God in this way via Catholicism. But now that’s not available to you. So now I’m just like trying to just make sense of my life, you know, because I was suffering, I was in a deep state of suffering. And so she’s saying this and I really was liking what she was saying. And meanwhile, I’m looking around waiting for the, the guy or whoever was coming in to do the lecture. Right. So I’m like looking the monk Mon yeah. The monk and the monk never came because this was the person like she was the person giving the lecture. Right? Yes. So that, that to me showed me, oh, women can speak like this. Like women can talk about spirituality. You know what I’m saying?
Kimberly: 10:48 Yes. It was just like the newness of it. Yeah. And also this, this, you know, saying you could choose. Yes. Right. So it was almost like inside of you, you know, this word enlightenment, which I’m love it’s in the subtitle of my book. Practical enlightenment, right? Yes. So enlightenment’s freedom. So choosing means we’re free. We don’t have to be in the same patterns. You don’t have to act in the same ways as you know we did or what came before. Yeah. She was like, speaking to Rosie. It’s hard. You can be
Rosie: 11:13 Free. Yeah. Yeah. And so that’s what happened, you know, she then guided us through a meditation and it was just in that moment, I had this experience. It was the first, first time I’d ever felt my body and my breath.
Kimberly: 11:26 Wow.
Rosie: 11:27 Because I had never felt it, but I’d never been in my body.
Kimberly: 11:31 So it was that lecture that brought you
Rosie: 11:33 Back. It was that, was it
Kimberly: 11:34 Incredible. Did you ever tell that woman or you connect
Rosie: 11:38 It? I did obvious I did come back because I started studying and I read out a biography of a U D and I, yeah. I got really into the fellowship at the time.
Kimberly: 11:47 Have you, have you done the lessons, Rosie?
Rosie: 11:48 I, I didn’t, I haven’t done the full lessons yet.
Kimberly: 11:52 Well, if it ever calls to you having gone through them, myself, which is, um, the lessons. I, I mentioned this in the book as well, when Guruji passed, he said these lessons will be the guru now. Yeah. So he writes very specific lessons on how to live, how to pick a life partner, how to succeed in business. Um, it gets really deep. Yeah. Right beyond the public works. Yes. And then you go into Korea. So, you know, Rosie or anyone listening to this, if you really wanna go down a very deep path of self realization, the lessons are there from Yogananda, which you can always check
Rosie: 12:25 Out. Yeah. And I love, and I think that that’s also why this res your book resonated so much with me because it felt very much like home, like it
Kimberly: 12:31 Just coming back.
Kimberly: 12:43 Right. So back this, we already starting to get into yoga as a teenager. And then so did it just continue and continue over there breaks from it or,
Rosie: 12:50 No, it, it continued, but I hadn’t done the F it took many years, like until I was 20. So this was like 16, 17, 18, 19. I was studying and, and reading and just learning about like, I started reading John Katzin and, you know, all these like mindfulness books and learning about mindfulness. Like I was just really exploring the plethora of spiritual ways, you know? And so, yeah, by the time I was twenties, when I finally did the physical forms and, and that was a whole nother pivotal moment of embodiment. Right. Which is something that you talk about too, you know, it’s like the movement and being able to get into your body, like
Kimberly: 13:30 Exactly.
Rosie: 13:30 So that to me was the sort of moving through. Yeah. Like trauma and, and growing up the way I did and, and feeling like all of that constriction in my body, that really limited me from a lot of things, because I had that resonating energy of feeling unsafe when I was little, you know? Yeah. Drive by shootings or like seeing traumatic things,
Kimberly: 13:52 Physical, unsafe, yeah.
Rosie: 13:54 Physical and safety. So
Kimberly: 13:55 Rosie, besides the meditations and learning the mindfulness, did you have to go to, you know, therapy? Or was there anything else you had to do? Yes, yes. To get past the trauma. Of course.
Rosie: 14:03 Yes. Thank you so much for asking. Yeah. I, I did
Kimberly: 14:06 Some had that PA you know, it just depends on the situation. Something. Yeah. I,
Rosie: 14:09 I did start to go to therapy at that age as well, because those actually part of my probation was to, to, um, anger management and family therapy. So bizarre.
Kimberly: 14:20 Wait, were you beating up the cop car?
Rosie: 14:23 No, it was, you know, because this was like from my prior arrest, because, because I had, I’d been in a couple of physical altercations, you know, cause I was, I was getting bullied and I also began, began to become the bully, you know? Yes. Like truth be told. It was sort of like this learned behavior of, oh, this is how I have to be in the world.
Kimberly: 14:43 And then you projected out and then
Rosie: 14:44 You projected out. So, um, which by the way, many years later, like we all ended up becoming fr it was just very strange, like the way that, that ended up working out, the people that we were, you know, jealous, like other girls, like you were jealous and you create this energy. And many years later, we, we all ended up working at the same mall and, and we ended up becoming friends. It was very
Kimberly: 15:06 Strange when you were bullying her, she was bullying
Rosie: 15:08 You. Yeah, that’s right. Oh my God. He bullied me first. And then I started to bully her and then we ended up going,
Kimberly: 15:13 Well, you guys were literally in fist fights,
Rosie: 15:15 Fist fights. Oh man. Full on physical altercations. Yeah. And then we became really good friends and actually we still are friends on, on Facebook. But, but yeah, it was, it it’s such an interesting experience to see how all of this begins to play a role. Right. For me, that is so, so that moment that happened at the center to me was where I experienced radical love. Like that, that was the moment where I was like, oh, this is radical love. This is what, this is. This supporting energy is what this is, you know,
What is Radical Love
Kimberly: 15:49 Radical love. Was it, explain that feeling, Rosie, unbounded,
Rosie: 15:55 Unconditional. I mean, it is this just unwavering conduit of energy that is ever present. Mm
Kimberly: 16:03 It’s a state, it’s
Rosie: 16:04 A state. It’s absolutely a state.
Kimberly: 16:06 So in your book, are you teaching us how to be in that state? More?
Rosie: 16:11 Yeah. So the book is really, uh, invitation, right? So I it’s structured in three different of course body, uh, mind, body and spirit, uh, because I feel like we need to integrate all three, right? Yes. You write about it the same way as well. Yes. And the beginning is really an, were an invitation to self inquiry. Right. So I do believe that in the beginning we have to feel radically supported, you know, so it’s very much the experience of I go into my narrative of not being supported and how I, I didn’t have those tools in the beginning. I felt so out of body. Right. And so how do we create experiences and tools or frameworks in our life to be able to support ourselves? Right. So it’s really about a way to learn, to empower yourself, to become that anchor.
Kimberly: 17:07 This is, this is such an important thing, Rosie, because I think safety and security in all the ways is missing for a lot of people. Yes. You know, you, you know, your, your trauma feeling physically unsafe, there’s drive by shootings. Um, recently I say in the past few years I realized I have a lot of safety issues. I was also a latchkey kid. Yeah. And my parents were hustling and they were working. And so there was a level of, um, you know, unintentional. They love me so much, but there was neglect. Yeah. Cuz I was left alone to myself a lot. And there wasn’t anyone saying, well, you know, how was your day? Or, you know, any of that. So I realized as an adult that I tried to put safety and security outside of myself. Yeah. And things like achievements and, and you know, being top of my class. So restoring that safety is a really pivotal thing because it means we’re not giving our power away. We’re not changing our actions to try to feel safe from the outside. So can you share with us Rosie a little bit about, you know, teachings our practices for finding that safety inside us because some many people growing up in different ways, you know, whether it’s physical or you can grow up in a really no let’s say prosperous home, but you’re still not having that safety. Yeah.
Practices for finding that safety within ourselves
Rosie: 18:19 So yeah. And I think that it’s a, it’s a great point because it really doesn’t look, you don’t have to have gone through yeah. You know, like to right by shootings to, to have trauma, like trauma is trauma. Right. It exists in the body the way it exists in the body. But I really do feel like if we don’t feel safe and secure, there’s no way we can embark on spiritual pursuits at all.
Kimberly: 18:42 It’s true. Or you can’t, we it’s just like, we, we are called to it. We want to, but then it’s like, you know, anything we have to remove that, that
Rosie: 18:51 Block. Yeah. Yeah. So recognizing where you are is I think the first point, uh, I talk about having the awareness, right? You have that desire the will to want more, to want to create something else. It’s like the awareness of, okay, I’m not happy where I am right now or I don’t feel secure. How can I build more of that out security? And it’s like, okay, first of all, if you have roof over your head and you have food in your fridge and you don’t have to worry about that, then you’re already off to a great start. You know, you have to just be able to create that framework within yourself so that you can anchor into, whatever’s gonna make you feel whole, whatever’s gonna make you feel safe. Whatever’s gonna make you feel and anchored in. And to me, it’s like, I go straight to the same things that you, you talk about. I hear you talk about this all the time, going into, uh, movement or going into embodiment. Yes. I think
Kimberly: 19:40 That that is using your body wisdom. Wisdom.
Rosie: 19:42 Yeah. You’ve, you’ve talked and I don’t know if I listened to a, a podcast that you did or, or I’ve heard it, your voice is in my head a lot. So I note, um, but you talk about sort of like reverse engineering. It, like if your mind’s outta sorts, like you use your body as a way to, you know, like get back in right. Anchor, anchor through that or to create that clarity
Kimberly: 20:06 For me when I started noticing, oh, you have a safety issue. I would notice in my body. Yes. Like, so would say something like for, in, for me, it was like when people would interrupt me cuz it triggered that wound of you’re not worthy of being seen and heard, which was the limited belief I took on. Right. So you’re not lovable. So I would notice situations that were safe, but I would feel unsafe because my heart would start racing and my, you know, I would feel it my body. So for me, the anchor started to be, you know, oh look, you know, you’re feeling UNS. Like it was literally like talking to myself and getting my body to feel safe. And then I started healing. The thoughts. Yeah.
Rosie: 20:40 Well, and one thing, and one thing that I love that you just did right now is she just put one both hands over her heart. Yeah. And she said, oh, that I’m safe. That I, that I’m here. You know? And I think that practical tools like this, you know, putting your hands over your heart, taking deep breaths, you know, sitting and meditating or journaling for me writing was a huge,
Kimberly: 21:01 Oh, me too love.
Rosie: 21:02 Right. I mean, obviously right. But
Rosie: 21:07 Like pen like pen or pencil to paper, writing it out and just getting your words out. So it’s like expressing, I, I write about too, like what is not expressed is depressed. And I know that, um, John Gray has written a great book, uh, about, uh, what you feel you can heal. Right. So, so for me, understanding those feelings of unsafe came in the form of writing them out really saying exactly, okay, what, what are my fears? What am I afraid of? How do I not feel safe? Um, how can I feel more supportive? You know, even if the people that are listening right now, maybe are in that state, there’s a lot of stuff going on in the world, right? Like, yes, there is a lot of that upheaval of feeling like we don’t know what’s gonna happen. And it’s like, we live in a life of uncertainty. That’s
Kimberly: 21:58 Everything is uncertain, really everything.
Rosie: 22:00 Yes. You know, so how can we create a sense of security within ourselves? And even if it’s just moment by moment, breath by breath, we can create that sense of calmness. That sense of peace. And it’s like, knowing, like we don’t know how long we’re gonna be here. You know, all we can do is our best. And it’s like, all we can do is to, like you were saying before we started recording the podcast, be that conduit of love. Yes. Be the servant of love, be in the service of support and, and, and really spreading that message. You know? It’s like when you feel helpless, help someone. Yes.
Kimberly: 22:34 You know? So I had, I don’t know if you’re familiar with preta, Andre. Okay. So they came on the podcast and they were talking about, um, you know, a lot of the, the self-doubt that we have as really self obsession. Yeah. Cause it’s like, so when she put it that way, I was like, oh, so then for me, um, part of, you know, healing past the wounds has been really just, you know, give your life away. Yeah. Focus on your purpose. Focus on serving others. Because it really does, for me, that was a big part of healing is it’s not all this self focus gets started to feel really insular and you start to feel right. Yeah. So being that cont
Rosie: 23:12 And I feel like when we compare our insights to everybody else says outsides, we’re gonna lose every time.
Kimberly: 23:20 Well, yes. We talked about some people on the outside are painting like window dressing that term. Right. You can paint this picture of like material success, success in your field. I have all this money. I have this big whatever following on TikTok, whatever it is. Yeah. But on the inside is the interstate peaceful, loving joy bliss. Right. And you were talking about this. Rosie is, is going forth and really being, you know, being what we, what we would like to be and making that choice. I wanna be in love. I wanna be in peace. That’s the most important thing. Yeah. Not what it looks like on the outside.
Rosie: 23:54 Yeah. Yeah. No, like the, I think what I’m saying is in terms of like comparison, right? Yes. So like if I’m comparing myself, oh,
Kimberly: 24:02 I see what you’re
Rosie: 24:03 Saying, saying, yes, I’m gonna are my insights to your outside. Right.
Kimberly: 24:07 Like the sign up outside.
Rosie: 24:08 Exactly. And so we’re gonna, every time we’re gonna lose, right. We’re gonna, because it’s, it’s never gonna, I don’t know what’s going on in your insights, you know, the outside could be like, oh yeah, I wish I had this person’s life. Or I want this person’s whatever I wanna be on the list or I wanna do this, you know, but it’s like, it’s coming from insights. And, and that’s, I think where the, the comparison it’s, it’s a joy kill. Right. Because totally there is that, that thing that we’re rubbing up against where you’re right. Like we don’t know the interworkings of what happens behind the scenes and anybody else’s experience. And at the end of the day, like, I love that you’re saying the self obsession thing, because it’s, it’s that experience of your ego death, right. Something happened where you have to realize, okay, this is, where is this coming from? How is, how is me, you know, selling X amount of copies gonna serve my highest good, you know,
Kimberly: 25:01 Totally. Well, I, I think, you know, at the end of the day where I, where I am in my, you know, of spiritual beliefs, when we talk about the true self, there is this eternal part of us that goes on and on, you could say universe, you could say, God, you could say source. I say the word God. Yeah, yeah. That connects with me. But you know, whatever it is,
Rosie: 25:18 It,
Kimberly: 25:18 It reframes things. So for me, it’s like, it’s the things that I thought were so important. Aren’t that important anymore? Which all like all this stuff outside, like checking south the box and this and this and this level, it’s like, you can have those things. But ultimately when we’re looking at the bigger picture, it doesn’t really mean anything. Do you know, do it or don’t do it right. Just continually. What really matters is the interstate. What really matters is the energy that you’re putting out inside of you. That’s our day to day. That’s our moment to moment experience. Yeah. As you know, right. So when we get into that comparison, I love that you have this chapter here, you radically creative chapter two radical truth. Don’t worry about what everyone else is doing. It’s like, it’s on the surface. Right. But what matters is, am I in alignment with my truth? Am I in alignment with spirit universe, whatever word you wanna eat got. Right. So it’s like, live, think that that’s what underneath. I think people are looking for the freedom and the piece.
Rosie: 26:12 Yeah.
Kimberly: 26:13 It’s the stuff on top. Like you can have it or you don’t have to have it, but that’s not. What’s important.
Rosie: 26:18 Yeah. Well, and I think it’s interesting to, to really evaluate what it is that we’re looking for.
Kimberly: 26:27 Yes.
Rosie: 26:28 You know,
Kimberly: 26:29 What is it really that we’re trying to get?
Rosie: 26:31 Yeah, exactly. Cause
Kimberly: 26:32 All the stuff we’re chasing, isn’t gonna give you what you wanna get, what you are looking for. Ultimately. Yeah. And I like here, you know, this, this space of sort of reframing, right? This, um, chapter one, you radically supported where you write Rosie, the radical truth is life makes no sense, but you can still find meaning if you try.
Rosie: 26:53 Yeah.
Kimberly: 26:54 That’s, that’s a big one. Yeah. It doesn’t make sense from the logical mind. Like why is, you know, I think about this sometimes. Like why is it that some people are like billion of dollars and some people can’t eat, you know, it doesn’t make sense, this distribution, this very, you know, off distribution of resources and funds and all these, there’s so many things that don’t make sense. Right. Why are we still at war
Kimberly: 27:12 It’s 20, 22? Like what is
Kimberly: 27:14 Going on? But meaning, tell us a little bit, you know, Rosie about the meaning of
We discuss what the meaning of life is to us and our purpose
Kimberly: 27:20 Life. Yeah. From your perspective, I
Rosie: 27:22 Love this. It’s so deep. You’re really asking all the deep questions.
Kimberly: 27:26 Of course we don’t mess around here a
Rosie: 27:28 Lot. Yeah. God, I feel like for so many of us, when we can’t make sense of things, a lot of the times like this is where I have that issue with people saying, oh, everything happens for a reason. It’s like, yeah, but not does it. I don’t know. You know, it’s like, yes, it does happen for a reason. I do believe that I’m an optimist forever. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t, but at the same time, it’s like, but sometimes things don’t make sense.
Kimberly: 27:55 They don’t make sense at all. But this is where, you know, Yoon does says in the, in the context of Eastern philosophy, which does believe in, we incarnation that does believe that, you know, life goes on and on. So what he’s saying is from the bigger picture, it would make sense, energetically, vibrationally, but there’s so much that we’re not privy to. Right.
Rosie: 28:14 And that’s the thing it’s, it’s finding meaning like what is gonna bring meaning to your life? Yes. What, what is the ultimate that’s gonna create that sense of oneness with you and the divine or, or yes, or whatever it is like, you know, I, I talk about higher power. I talk about God too. So for me it’s God too. Yeah. You know, but it’s like that connection to, to God that vast experience and it’s, and I’m not saying it as a way to be spiritual bypass where it’s like, oh, just surrender over to God and you’ll be fine. I’m saying you have to be able to find meaning something substantial enough to sustain you. Yes. While you navigate through life’s challenges, you know, and whatever that may be like for me, it was my, my unwavering search for purpose. Like I just, I just wanted to find it. I wanted to find what that purpose was. Why was I here? Why did I get to survive? Why did you know, why did I make it out? So many people that I grew up with, they didn’t make it out. Like for me, I’m saying, making it out with air quotes, like I seemingly have a successful career. I’ve been able to make something outta myself. But in a way I do feel like it’s a debt that I have to repay somehow. You know? Like I feel like that’s the least I could do.
Kimberly: 29:36 Yes. I know what you mean. Like you’ve been given this, you’re so grateful for this incredible opportunity and, and you feel like I, you know, I wanna serve, I wanna give it back. If you, what, what is your purpose, Rosie, if you could summarize it. Yeah. I, I shared my purpose with
Rosie: 29:50 You before the podcast. It did. And I, I want you to say it again, uh, after I say mine, but I think my purpose is to be a student and keep serving love as much, as much as I can as, as abundantly as I can. And as honestly, as I can to just be fully who I am and help as many people as I can, you
Kimberly: 30:15 Know, be beautiful, beautiful. Um, you know, the way I define purpose Rosie and you from gurus teach, of course, is our individual gifts with paired with service, right? Yeah. So where I stand and I look at you, Rosie, I get goosebumps. You know, I feel like it is embodiment of love, like in your unique way. You’re, bodying it. And then you’re teaching other people to radically love, you know, title of your book. You are radically love. You are. Yeah. Just like my books is you are,
Rosie: 30:41 I know this is why I’m saying like, this is, it is. So, I mean, in this, this book I’m talking about Kimberly’s book specifically is so poetic and it’s like, it’s so beautifully written and so true. And to me it’s like, I’m like, this is like a Bible, you know, like it really like, because not only, and I love, you know, the, the teachings, uh, and I love that. It’s like, he’s the GU you know, it’s like, I love the teachings that you’ve been able to put them in a, in a way that is practical enlightenment. That is a way for us to be able to follow, you know, in a way that’s not complex it’s oh, just, this is what you do. Like, yes, this is how you feel. And this is what you do, you know? And I’m just like, okay, like I could do that.
Rosie: 31:30 You know, it doesn’t feel so daunting. And I feel like the way that the world of spirituality is evolving right now is it, I like the idea of it because coming more practical and more mindful in a way where more people can do it and more people can understand it. It’s not so like, okay, I have to go now to India and live at the ashram for months and months. And, and only then can I find healing or I can find a sense of enlightenment or whatever. It’s like, no, I in a big city, like,
Kimberly: 32:05 Yeah, exactly.
Rosie: 32:06 You know, I live in, I
Kimberly: 32:08 Time to go to India.
Rosie: 32:10 Yes. And so, so yeah.
Kimberly: 32:12 I feel like, you know, what’s, what’s important to me, like the people that I really connect to with you, it’s, I, I think a, a, a marker of, of go into, into, into the love, into real truth, into, you know, into this expansion is more and more humility. Yeah. Right. So I think humbleness is such an important quality because the more we go on, we realize, oh, like on this spec, in the whole, you know, cosmos, but at the same time, you know, spirit is inside of me. Yeah. But what we, you know, sometimes you see people that it’s, it’s like, you, you know, you get a little bit of this or that, and then the ego gets bigger and we realize it’s not about us. It’s just the message coming through. Yeah. Which is again, why I’m so drawn to, to you Rosie, your work, your book, like it’s just your energy. Um, so I wanna go back into, you know, part two here is the body, and this is such a, like a exciting thing to me because I’m, I feel like in the past few years, I’m really learning to use my body as wisdom. Um, I love this chapter six is you are radically resilient, radical, true. Never is always wrong and always is never, right. It’s not these hard lines. Yeah. Tell us about the inspiration for this chapter,
The inspiration behind chapter 6 in Radical Love and why never is always wrong and always is never right
Rosie: 33:27 Man. I mean, I think, you know, I, I, I talk about this, this experience, uh, in this chapter, uh, I start going more into relationships, you know, I start talking more, I’ve been in a long term relationship, 18 years, you know, we’ve been together for a really long time. So since I was 20, right. Oh
Kimberly: 33:47 My gosh, are you guys, you know, are you guys one of those couples that will never get married?
Rosie: 33:50 Well, no, we’re engaged. We’ve been engaged for like five we’re on the five year getting six years, literally six year engagement. Well, COVID kind of threw us off because we were planning doing it 2020, and then it got pushed out. And then, and now it’s just like, now it’s like, oh, then we wanna have a big wedding. And it’s like, uh, now it’s, COVID, you know, like what do you do? Yeah. You know, so, no, we, we will eventually at some point point
Kimberly: 34:13 There’s no rush is there.
Rosie: 34:14 She’s like, no rush rush.
Kimberly: 34:17 I mean, it’s like, at that point, if you’re together, you’re choosing to be together day. Yeah. It doesn’t really matter.
Rosie: 34:23 Yeah. But I think the hard line thing, I love that you pose it this way, because that’s exactly what it is. It’s like, it’s not this or that. And I feel like so much of what we do it’s this is why I love yoga so much because it’s the study of paradoxes,
Kimberly: 34:37 The seeming, uh, you know, the opposites coming together.
Rosie: 34:40 Yes. And
Kimberly: 34:40 It’s, allness spirit is all this.
Rosie: 34:42 Yes, yes. Yeah. It’s, it’s non-dual right. And I feel like we live in such a world of dualism and yes. And, uh, polarity where it’s like, it’s, if it’s not this, then it’s this. And, and we want to put people in boxes. And if you, it, you can’t have a nuanced conversation, you know, there there’s all, all these, like, if you’re this, that means you’re this. And, and I just feel like that isn’t encompassing of, of the whole right. There is, there’s always a little bit of yin and the Y and a little bit of young and the
Kimberly: 35:13 Yin there’s a million iterations between black and
Rosie: 35:16 White. Right. But that’s our desire. That’s the ego’s desire to make things fit, put things, to organize boxes and, and, you know, have, have it, have there be some sort of finality in a world where there is no finality everything’s ever changing life. Is I permanent? And it’s, it’s this experience of yeah. Never is always right. And, and, and what is it always is
Kimberly: 35:42 It’s, um, truth never is always wrong and always is never right. Always
Rosie: 35:46 Right. Yeah. Like, thanks for telling me, but yeah. I mean, that’s part of this process of being able to experience the other in, in its totality. I mean, that’s really, that’s really what it is at the end of the day.
Kimberly: 36:02 Well, I think it’s all, you know, it it’s the totality, it’s the allness because for me, part of my safety issue, you know, just like trying to figure out in the world, you know, then the ego goes into like trying to control things and like, this is safe and this isn’t, and then you end up kind of boxing yourself in and then it’s like, then the freedom’s taken away. Right? Yes. So the only way really is safety insecurity is inside of me. And we really can’t judge other people’s journeys.
Rosie: 36:27 Yeah. Yeah. And so like what,
Kimberly: 36:30 What’s not wrong, or, right, right,
Kimberly: 36:41 Are you asking me? What I do is my mantra for that is blank. The mind blank, the mind, if I even feel myself sort of going into that judgment or separation even a little bit, it comes up for all of us. I just blank the mind blank. The mind my focus goes to get rid of the thoughts, get rid of the thoughts. Yeah. Sometimes I have to walk around, go to the bathroom, but I, I, my, just so you know, two goal, um, Rosie white goal right now, um, my, one of my biggest goals is to, to is to not think it sounds really funny to say, but it’s really dropping down when Eckhart talks about being in that space beyond thought yes. It’s it really is true. I go for periods where, when I’m saying, thinking like, of course, you know, there’s some thought when you form words, but past the chatter going down into intuition, right? Yes. So I know if I’m starting to judge, I’m like up in my head, I’m in the ego. So then I say blank, the mind, blank, the mind go deeper, go deeper. So I really try to move attention away from that. Yeah. Cause I think we take our light when we judge it’s like making us on that level. That we’re so much more than that. Right. Expansion. Yeah.
Rosie: 37:46 I totally agree. And I, I love that. That’s where you go. That’s sort of the goal, right? Like I, to me that’s don’t think, yeah. Don’t think just, just blank the mind.
Kimberly: 37:54 Definitely. Don’t let the comment come outta your mouth. Yeah. Yeah. Don’t put it into form. Yeah. Until you’ve reregulated
Rosie: 38:00 Yeah. Oh, I love the reregulation because it does get there’s that excitement. Oh man. I was journaling so much during the book launch process because I was like, Ooh, what’s coming up. This is really interesting, you know?
Kimberly: 38:13 Oh, it’s so interesting. Isn’t
Rosie: 38:14 It? Yeah. So it feels like this is, you know, without really getting too in depth because people don’t wanna listen to this. But the visual that I had was like, I’m a race horse and I’m, I’m moving forward. Right. But I don’t have blinders on. So I’m constantly looking to the right and I’m looking to the left and I’m like running this race. Yeah.
Kimberly: 38:37 Right.
Rosie: 38:37 Yeah. And it’s like, I’ve got my lane. My lane is perfectly carved out for me specifically. Yes. It’s got my name on it. It’s got all of my things and I’m just like, my only job is to run that course. That’s it. That’s right. That’s it. But during this time I felt self just looking to the left and looking to the right. Yeah. Just like constantly just seeing, comparing, and looking and comparing and looking. Okay. But how come they’re, they’re going way faster than I am. How come they’re going? Way faster. Yeah. And why are they oh, but look at, but look at the, the they’ve got different shoes than I do or they’ve got different. Yeah. You know, it’s like, oh, they’ve got different tools and how come their course is a lot more clearer than mine. Mine’s got like all this like muck and clutter.
Rosie: 39:22 And, and I have to go through these obstacle course that compare. Right. So I start to go into that space and I was journaling a lot during this time and I’m like, okay, don’t stop your routine. Your routine is you do your life. This is a busy time for you. Stay on course, stay on. Course, stay on course. And so that’s why I wanna, the minute I walk in here and you’re saying what you’re saying, I’m like, oh, this is divine timing. Like, oh, my, that Kimberly’s saying is like, she is like channeling this directly for me in this moment. So
Kimberly: 39:52 I, I think with the book, the most important part of the book writing pro the whole, most important thing about the book is, is the vibration you’re in when you’re writing it. Yeah. And I can just tell you, Rosie, I get sent a lot of books for this podcast. I got piles and piles upstairs. Right. But I look at your book and it’s very clear. Like you can tell that it’s it’s you wrote it in a place of clarity and connection. Right. I’ll write another, um, oh, I’ll read another sentence here. You are radically honest. What is expressed is de is depressed. So what I would say is that there’s obvious truth and wisdom here. So the fact that you wrote it in this vibration means the book is already a success. So this is the ultimate non-attachment we don’t, like you said about the lane, like spirit, you know, we don’t understand everything.
Kimberly: 40:42 We’re not privy to all the information. All we can do is, is show up and create from our hearts. And then the rest is surrendered, right? The rest was where we let go, but then this, the ego comes up and it’s like trying to control the outcome or whatever it is. Yeah. I just read the Gita again, Rosie, I’m like looking around, I, I, I just, I go back to that all the time. The true essence of the Gita is really about that. Non-attachment, it’s like the biggest lesson in life. So it’s like showing up. So I just wanna congratulate you Rosie, because I can feel the vibration of this book is so pure and, and so raw and real, and this is the kind, kind of, this is the kind of reading I like to do. Like, this is where you can really get the, the
Rosie: 41:22 Pearls.
Kimberly: 41:23 Yeah. It’s not the like, oh, you know, the fluffy books where they probably had a ghost writing writer that all the marketing and we know in the book space, so many people, you know, do buy their own books yeah. To like inflate numbers and things. But the, the pureness of this, I mean, I just love this. Rosie is, you know, getting out of the head. So I wanna say it’s like, don’t even go into that comparison. Like stay in the heart. Yeah. That’s how we make the biggest impact. You are radically strong when talk about this chapter, chapter 11, the thing that is the most true, be the simplest most obvious thing. This is self trust. Give me an example of that. What was obvious when you started to tune into this, that wasn’t obvious.
Grief and loss and how to come back to the truth within yourself
Rosie: 42:03 Well, so that chapter is about grief. Mm. So I think that is, is just circling to what you’re saying about the truth within yourself and moving back into the heart and being in that wisdom. Yes. So I love that you said that, and then you read that and I’m like, oh, you just literally answered,
Kimberly: 42:25 You went backwards, drawn to it.
Rosie: 42:27 Yes. And I think that it is true, you know, it’s all the simplest thing is just, ’em back to yourself, like, come back to you. Yes. Like come back
Kimberly: 42:37 To that, pull it in,
Rosie: 42:37 Pull it in, you know, re like you were saying, regulate realign. And I think you theoretically strong specifically, it, it just, I had to go into this place where I, I didn’t necessarily want to go. Right. This was like the, in the beginning, I, about how this is gonna be the hardest chapter to read, because it was the hardest chapter to
Kimberly: 42:59 Write chapter 11, chapter 11.
Rosie: 43:01 Wow. Yeah. Because it’s dealing with, with grief and loss and it was definitely, um, I, I, there was some stories in there. There was a couple of things actually that didn’t make it into that. That’s not true
Kimberly: 43:16 Into the book.
Rosie: 43:17 Yeah. But, but I think just to give it context, that was the only chapter that I wrote that didn’t have any edits.
Kimberly: 43:25 Oh, wow. So what was the grief around?
Rosie: 43:27 So it, well, I talk about the five stages of, of grief, uh, or the stages of grief. And I think because I was going through a really heavy loss at that time you asked like about the book dedication and I had just, oh yes, I had just, her face just changed right now. It’s just like, so I think it was really a representation of, of what it meant to be grieving. Like just thinking about everything in my life, losing, you know, my childhood best friends at a young age, like when I was going through all this as a teenager, they died during a, an El Nino flood. And I, I write about that in the following chapter, but specifically you asked where I was like, where did I go to during the time of writing this specific chapter? And I think it was just a, a culmination of yeah. Everything in my life that has shown me how resilient and strong I am and just sort of acknowledging people’s strength in people’s resilience. I talk about it. One of my students who died, you know, she was going through, uh, brain cancer treatment and, and so young and so beautiful and so vibrant and, and really it’s, it’s about trying to make sense of the, that don’t really make sense in the world. Um,
Kimberly: 44:54 Yes.
Rosie: 44:55 And yeah, I mean, it’s such an interesting experience for all of us. Anybody here anybody’s listening for you, like just having to grieve something that’s no longer here. Yes. In the old form. Right. Because I believe, I always say the term, like fear is temporary love is eternal, right? Yes. So it’s like that love that you have, we believe is still here. Right. It’s still present. It’s still all pervading, but it’s still hurts.
Kimberly: 45:26 Yeah.
Rosie: 45:26 Right. There’s still that pain. And I think having to move through that is it can be a real challenge, you know? And I, I spend a lot of time acknowledging those challenges because I want people to feel validated and it’s okay. You know, sometimes people are grieving and, and I used to hear this in the past, like, oh, it’s been a long time. Like, so that means you should get over it. Like, do you know what I’m saying? Yeah.
Kimberly: 45:51 It’s a non linear thing.
Rosie: 45:53 Right. It’s it’s like healing, healing doesn’t happen in a straight line. Yes. It goes through cycles. So a lot of what that chapter’s about is moving through those cycles.
Kimberly: 46:02 So if there’s a core message from the book, Rosie that you wanna leave us with today, or a practice or, you know, a teaching, what would you, what would you say it is?
The core message from, Radical Love
Rosie: 46:14 I would say, I would say that it, I just have to go back to the fact that I feel that it’s an invitation for, for people to write their own story, to create their own essence of what radically loved is of how they feel radically loved at the end. I’m the last, last in the book is a question to the reader asking them, how, how do you feel radically loved? And after going through the experiential practices, cause I wrote there’s practices and exercises throughout the book that you can do to start to embark on that journey within yourself. So I beautiful, the core messages embark on the journey. Um, it doesn’t have to look like anybody. Else’s, you’re exactly where you need to be in this moment, in this time. And you are radically loved.
Kimberly: 47:05 So you believe Rosie that everybody can go, um, create this state of radical love. Everybody has access to it. It’s a state, isn’t it, it’s a state, which means it’s not tied to anything. And I love this message as well underneath everything it’s connecting to the radical love inside of you.
Rosie: 47:22 Yeah. I love that. That was like, so I should have recorded. Well, we have a recording. Recording did that
Kimberly: 47:30 Inside. The radical love is amazing. Well, Rosie, thank you so much for being here. I have to say that, you know, describing your, your story of the past, you know, I’m getting goosebumps, there’s, there’s so choices, right? Like people can go down a very different path. And right next to me, I see this moment, you know, from the second we met, which is on your podcast, this woman that is so soft and gentle and is like a real conduit for, for, for radical unconditional love. So I just wanna say you are someone that is living your truth. You literally have written a book with a book. The, the book title is you. So thank you Rosie so much for embodying love, like being here, sharing your wisdom, being this beautiful, divine, feminine, gentle healing presence. This book is so powerful and, um, you know, all, all you guys, please check it out again. It’s called you are radically loved a journey, a healing journey to self love, and we will link to it in the show notes directly and also Rosie. Where can we find out more information about you in your
Rosie: 48:36 Work? Thank you so much. And, and first of all, I just wanna say thank you to, I mean, you’ve been in this space for many, many years and
Kimberly: 48:44 10 years is my first book. Yeah.
Rosie: 48:45 Yeah. And like, I I’m speaking your praises, all your books are made, but this particular one really, I mean, to me, I’m like, oh, this is the beginning. You know, like, this is, this is we’re opening up a whole new layer, whole new, like not even chapter, there’s a whole new book, you know? Like, and, and I just wanna thank you and acknowledge you for that too, because I feel like also seeing somebody like you’s been doing this for a long time, like just seeing how you can embody these teachings and teach them from that state of honesty and authenticity really does give us the ability to do the same. So thank you so much.
Kimberly: 49:24 Oh, thank you so much. Rosie kindred spirit. Soulmate friend, I’m so happy that we’ve met. I love you so much. I, I love you too. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Kimberly: 03:22 Well, thank you so much. My love for tuning into our show today. I hope that you loved our conversation as much as I loved being in the conversation with Rosie. Please be sure to check out her new book you are radically loved. Please be sure to check out our show notes over at mysolluna.com for more information on website and her work and other podcasts. I think you would enjoy other resources, recipes, meditations, articles, so on and so forth. So we’ll be back here Thursday for our next Q&A podcast till then I’ll see you on social at underscore Kimberly Snyder. I’ll see you in cyberspace, sending you so much love and, and take great care. Namaste.