How the Science & Wisdom of Rituals Can have a positive impact on our Body Our Health [Episode 924]
Topic: How the Science & Wisdom of Rituals Can have a positive impact on our Body Our Health
Hi everyone, welcome back to our Thursday Q &A show. Iām very excited to talk about the science and wisdom of rituals today. Sometimes we think this word ritual is sort of ancient, esoteric, but thereās so much science showing how these junctures, these moments that we can bring meaning into our everyday lives can actually help to elevate our health and vitality, which is of course what we all want. So Iām really excited to share about some personal rituals that I have, which may also be of interest to you, ones that have really benefited me. And also again, the greater science around this, because we really wanna take a holistic approach to feeling our best. Itās not gonna be the one thing like the food or the really great sleep, but really tying everything together. Speaking of which, Iām so excited as you are listening to this show right now, we are five days away from the launch of my book The Hidden Power of The Five Hearts. So if there is one thing that I feel ties everything together, itās the heart, itās the heart brain, itās heart coherence, learning to sync up your heart, your brain, and your nervous system. What this does for our health, our energy, slowing aging, and our hormonal balance, as well as creating more love, kindness, peaceful thoughts, changes our perceptions.
Episode Summary
In this conversation, Kimberly discusses the science and benefits of rituals in our everyday lives. She explains how rituals can provide stability and grounding in a world of unpredictability, and how they can help regulate our nervous system and balance our hormones. Snyder shares personal rituals she practices, such as using a favorite mug and doing stretching and meditation in the morning. She also highlights the importance of group rituals and the power of rituals in enhancing cognitive function and productivity. Kimberly also encourages listeners to incorporate rituals into their daily routines to experience increased wellbeing and joy.
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Episode Chapters
00:00 The Science and Benefits of Rituals
03:47 Finding Stability and Grounding
07:45 Reducing Stress through Rituals
09:32 Enhancing Wellbeing and Happiness
12:19 Improving Physical Strength through Yoga Rituals
19:26 The Power of Group Rituals
26:51 Incorporating Rituals for Increased Wellbeing and Joy
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STUDIES AND RESEARCH
1. Stress Reduction and Cortisol Levels
A study published in Psychoneuroendocrinology 2016 examined how ritualistic behaviors can reduce stress. The study found that engaging in rituals can lower cortisol levels, indicating reduced stress. The structured nature of rituals provides a sense of predictability and safety, which helps to calm the nervous system (Axelrod, 2016).
2. Mental Health Benefits
A Study in the Journal of Positive Psychology 2014 found that rituals can enhance well-being and happiness. Participants who performed rituals reported higher levels of joy and lower levels of anxiety and depression. This effect was attributed to the sense of control and predictability that rituals provide.
3. Physical Health Improvements
A study in the Journal of Behavioral Medicine 2010 showed that participants who engaged in yoga, a ritualistic form of exercise, experienced significant improvements in cardiovascular health, flexibility, and overall physical strength. These benefits were linked to the regular and structured nature of yoga practice.
4. Social Connections and Oxytocin
A Study published in Hormones and Behavior 2015 found that group rituals, such as communal singing and dancing, can increase levels of oxytocin, a hormone associated with bonding and social connection. This helps to foster trust and strengthen social ties within groups.
5. Cognitive Function and Productivity
A study in the Journal of Experimental Psychology 2016 demonstrated that rituals can enhance cognitive function and productivity. Participants who engaged in pre-task rituals performed better on cognitive tasks, likely due to reduced anxiety and increased focus provided by the rituals.
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Kimberly Snyder (00:00.824)
Hi everyone, welcome back to our Thursday Q &A show. Iām very excited to talk about the science and wisdom of rituals today. Sometimes we think this word ritual is sort of ancient, esoteric, but thereās so much science showing how these junctures, these moments that we can bring meaning into our everyday lives can actually help to elevate our health and vitality, which is of course what we all want.
So Iām really excited to share about some personal rituals that I have, which may also be of interest to you, ones that have really benefited me. And also again, the greater science around this, because we really wanna take a holistic approach to feeling our best. Itās not gonna be the one thing like the food or the really great sleep, but really tying everything together. Speaking of which, Iām so excited as you are listening to this show right now, we are five days away.
from the launch of the hidden power of the five hearts. So if there is one thing that I feel ties everything together, itās the heart, itās the heart brain, itās heart coherence, learning to sync up your heart, your brain, and your nervous system. What this does for our health, our energy, slowing aging, and our hormonal balance, as well as creating more love, kindness, peaceful thoughts, changes our perceptions. So if you have not yet pre -ordered your copy, you have five days left to order.
over at mysaluna .com slash five hearts book and to take advantage of our pre sale offerings five more days. These pre sale offerings include our 22 recipe ebook and joining our four week heart reset program which is going to be epic and will include live zooms. Cannot wait to share if youāre watching this on YouTube you can see the hardcover of the book is here today. I encourage you to get the hard copy so you have an actual
copy to look at. can look at the charts. You can do the practices in the book. This book has changed my life. These teachings have changed my life and deepened everything and again, tied everything together. So I cannot wait for you to benefit. Now letās get back into rituals and I want to jump right in. Our question today comes from Jasmine who lives in Georgia. Jasmine, thank you so much for being part of our community and sending so much love down there to Georgia.
Kimberly Snyder (02:25.728)
And you write, Kimberly, I listened to your podcast and love it. Iām so excited to get your new book. Iāve so I have been going through a rough patch in my life. I need to do a mental and emotional reset. Iāve heard you talk about the importance of having healthy rituals and routines in our lives and wanted to know how they help and what are some that I can incorporate into my day. So thank you again, Jasmine, for highlighting this. And one of the things I want to say right off the bat.
is that thereās so much unpredictability that our bodies go through in a day. We donāt control life. We donāt control the outside world. We donāt know whatās gonna happen on the road. Iāve been encountering some really intense road work in my own daily schedule. Usually takes about 15 minutes to drive my kids to school and lately itās been taking anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and 20 minutes.
Right? I hope the road works going to be over soon, but in the meantime, we do not control it. We do not control the weather. We do not control what other people say or how they behave or things that we may see on the news. So the power of ritual and routine is to add a sense of stability in our immediate environment and that your body can start to register this.
sense of relaxing into life. Otherwise, if everything is constant moving and unpredictability, including how we eat, where we eat, how we sleep, know, our activities and schedules, it starts to feel unsettling to the body. And one of the things I learned, especially in recent research, we did our own heart aligned meditation study in the hidden power of the five hearts thatās featured. And in my research in general,
in this book and beyond is how important it is to ground our nervous system to be healthy. Now, our nervous system is something that has been talked about in Ayurveda for millennia. I remember studying Ayurveda with my teacher, Dr. Jayagopal, and this was a couple years ago. So was nervous system this and nervous system that. And I wondered, why are we talking about the nervous system so much? But now I realize
Kimberly Snyder (04:45.954)
This nervous system is, and we have our peripheral nervous system, we have our central nervous system. This is how we sense the world. This is how we are in the world. So much of it has to do with if our nervous system is regulated or not. Otherwise the amygdala, which are in the hemispheres, both hemispheres of the brain, which stores this emotional memory, can keep us in what seems familiar, old patterns, reactivity.
And now weāre not really living a free present experience, but weāre constantly bringing in the past into this moment. And it really colors that, really changes and shifts our experience. So Iām really excited to talk about how we balance that. How do we balance that? And rituals is a very comforting.
very soothing thing that we can do in our lives. This can include the ritual of getting into your kitchen, bringing out your favorite mug that could have flowers on it. I remember I gave one of my childās teachers a mug with dragonflies and she said, Iāve been loving dragonflies since a child. This is my favorite mug, right? Itās these things that light us up and make us joyful, even in microwaves and making your hot water with lemon.
And then perhaps after that, making a tea or having your coffee or whatever it is and feeling that comfort, groundedness of knowing that I donāt know whatās going to happen today. I donāt know whatās going to come in my email or how my workday is going to go, whatever. But I have this thing right now and it allows me to feel stable and to be consistent. And this is one of the attributes of Dinacharya, daily routine and ritual is that it allows our nervous system to start to relax.
When our nervous system relaxes, weāre able to give more energy in an efficient way into our digestive tract, into our circulatory system, into our endocrine system. And this is one of the reasons that our hormones start to balance. I have brought this up to you before, but itās definitely related here. So Iām to bring it up again in the new book, The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts. This is the chart on page 77. If youāre watching this on YouTube, thatāll describe it as well.
Kimberly Snyder (07:08.334)
It shows that in one month of doing these heart coherence practices, quarters all went down 23 % and DHEA went up 100%. And this is so impactful because again, when we are grounded in our bodies and we feel present and we feel stabilized, we can actually reduce stress hormones, which age us and add belly fat and wrinkles and all sorts of things that we donāt want. And on the other hand, we can start to elevate DHEA.
necessary for vitality and fertility and combating anxiety and stress and depression from within our own power.
Letās talk about that a little bit from a research standpoint and then weāll come back to actual rituals and how to live them in your life. A study published in psycho neuroendocrinology, itās quite a field of science, in 2016 examined how ritualistic behaviors reduce stress. The study found that engaging in rituals can lower cortisol levels indicating reduced stress.
The structured nature of rituals provides a sense of predictability and safety, which helps to calm the nervous system back to the nervous system. So these rituals help us to feel safe and secure here and now in ourselves when everything feels unpredictable. So thereās the outside influences, which are unpredictable, but then bring in the environmental and lifestyle shifts, which can also be unpredictable. What you have is a nervous system.
Itās constantly in fight or flight instead of rest and digest. This is where we start to really impact our wellness. This is where we start to get into incoherence, the science of showing that weāre draining energy unnecessarily and that we are not being efficient in our energy. And this is why our hormones imbalance. This is why we age more quickly. So
Kimberly Snyder (09:04.078)
rituals, not just something that sounds nice or something, you know, that seems like a, you know, fun, cozy practice here and there, but actually do impact your hormones and your health. A study in the journal of positive psychology from 2014 also found that rituals can enhance wellbeing and happiness. The study found that participants who performed rituals reported higher levels of joy and lower levels of anxiety and depression.
This effect was attributed to the sense of control and predictability that rituals provide. I would also add to that, we know that thereās this predictability, this safety, but I would also add bringing these moments of joy that you can count on in your life, right? So a ritual could be, itās just this regular practice that you continue with and that you choose consciously. So it could be, as I mentioned,
I know my favorite mug, it brings me lot of joy when I see it first thing in the morning. Itās a handmade mug from this incredible store in LA called Tortoise. Itās Japanese ceramics. Itās sort of this like creamy neutral color. Itās just so beautifully handmade. And itās my ritual to make my hot water with lemon in this mug. And I love it. And it makes me feel really joyful. So.
We donāt want to attach so strongly to things. So letās say the mug breaks or itās in the dishwasher or whatever, itās somewhere else in the house. But when we have, we want to be able to pivot. Thatās what the heart work is. Well, maybe we use a different mug or whatever. But most of the time, itās nice to have the regularity, right? The ritual of going into your bathroom in the morning. What are the first things you see?
I encourage you to make sacred spaces for yourself, which is another podcast episode that we can link to, which also is research around houseplants and enjoying your home environment, what that also does to your health and wellness. So one of the things in the morning in the bathroom is there decor that you love. Are there towels that feel really good on your body after you wash your face? Are there scents? Are thereā¦
Kimberly Snyder (11:22.488)
You know, it doesnāt have to be a lot, but some maybe plants in there or just some decorative items. So the ritual of going into your bathroom and washing your face, maybe putting on your saluna, vitamin C, feel good serum as I do every morning, whatever it is, touching your face in a certain way thatās not just rushed, but this ritual of self care starts to feel regular, safe, predictable, and this all helps to regulate your nervous system. Itās a really beautiful thing to do.
A study in the Journal of Behavioral Medicine in 2010 found that participants who engaged in yoga, a ritual form of exercise, experienced significant improvements in cardiovascular health, flexibility, and overall physical strength. These benefits were linked to the regular and structured nature of yoga practice. So one of the things about yoga is that itās a practice and you practice your
practice several times a week. Again, thereās a regularity to it. So one of the things I like to do in the morning is I do a little bit of stretching. And then I go into my meditation, which for me is the heart aligned meditation. Once again, you can see the tracks on mysaloon .com slash five hearts book. Itās up there, everyone can check it out. And Kriya yoga. So but I do that little bit of stretching, which isnāt a regular specific routine. I used to do the Dharma
I
Kimberly Snyder (13:18.7)
Body knows this is coming. I really enjoy my mornings. I look forward to my mornings. This is a ritual that allows me to go into my day feeling regulated, feeling clear, feeling energized for the day, feeling more resilient against stress. Iāve been in my heart. Iāve elevated my heart coherence. Iām not just leaving things to chance, right? This is another thing that we want to be.
mindful of. If we donāt have established rituals and routines, weāre just sort of like a leaf flying around in the wind. Stress builds. And Iāll share with you personally that I was lying in bed last night with my husband and we were talking about heās working all different hours now. He just opened an office in Dubai. He opened an office in Australia and London. So heās on all these different time zones. And I said to him,
Thereās got to be some boundaries when youāre not on your phone and youāre not on work. And I talked about this very thing. said, letās start doing the heart aligned meditation together. Letās start creating some ritual in your life because I donāt know about you. You know, itās a certain type of person or I donāt know. You know, Iām not going to put it all in a box like men or husbands in general, but it comes more naturally to me. Whereas I feel like for him, itās something that
takes a little bit more conscious creation, shall we say, to carve it out, but heās really excited about the idea. And I can already see, and I truly believe it will benefit his health and his stress levels. So it can also help if you have a loved one, your partner, your spouse, your roommate, child, that you bring into these rituals and you practice them together. A family ritual that we have is to say grace. Usually itās me saying the grace.
And then we go around and we say what weāre grateful for. This is such a predictable ritual for my children that if we get into a conversation and we forget for a moment, my little one, my four -year -old will say, grace, grace, right? The children and us adults, grown children, like some predictability in life, this groundedness. It feels good to our bodies. It feels good mentally and emotionally.
Kimberly Snyder (15:42.092)
to feel grounded within ourselves. So this is a really powerful practice. I encourage you to create some sort of ritual around meal times because itās something that weāre doing day in and day out. If you live by yourself or you dinner by yourself, it can be the ritual of pausing, going inside, placing your hands on your heart, giving thanks, praying over the food, whatever feels
natural and organic and feels good to you, of course, because itās coming from you.
Kimberly Snyder (16:21.614)
So mealtime is really powerful way to incorporate rituals. Iām going to go into a little bit more research and then weāll talk about some more specifics. Speaking of which, study published in Hormones and Behavior 2015 found that group rituals, such as communal singing and dancing, increases levels of oxytocin, a hormone associated with bonding and social connection. This helps to foster trust and strengthen social ties within groups.
So I love the idea of ritual within a group. And I havenāt been doing it as much lately, to be honest. Iāve been so busy with the book launch, but I used to love my womenās circles. Iāll get back into them, my moon circles, this ritual of sitting in a circle with women. And we would light candles, we would meditate together. We would go around, we would check in. It just felt really wonderful to be in that type of a group setting together.
And so I encourage you to think about the things that really make your heart sing. And this could be a parent, a mom, papa community at school, or it could be around, you know, cultural practice or, know, church or, temple or synagogue, whatever type of, you know, religious or some type of group setting, whatever it is that sings to you.
a mosque, whatever it is, where you would like to do a regular ceremony together, a regular service, or again, whatever it is. I donāt want to sound too formal here. Sometimes itās in a formal context if itās at a center. I go to a meditation center every Sunday with my family. So that is that ritual of going. But when you can do things in a group, how powerful. How powerful.
Which reminds me, cannot help but mention that when we did this heart aligned meditation study, it was so incredible to be in the group setting. And thatās one of the reasons I encourage you, thereās still five days left to join our four week heart reset program, because one of the things weāre gonna be doing every week is meditating together as a group and coming together as a group, especially when youāre getting off the ground and starting to sync up the heart and brain.
Kimberly Snyder (18:41.55)
Thereās something very powerful about doing it in a group setting together. Everybodyās energy amplifies. Thereās just fields of energy, all energy fields that actually intersect, even across Zooms. So Iām really excited for that. And I love to be together live or you can watch the playbacks, but being together in a group setting, I have experienced for myself how powerful it is. And whilst we may meditate most of the time on our own, in our quiet moments, in our homes,
When we can get out and be together in certain contexts that are really supportive and really aligned with what we want to create and how we want to elevate our lives, it is quadruply powerful.
One more study I want to mention, this is from cognitive function and productivity. This is on cognitive function and productivity, rather a study in the Journal of Experimental Psychology in 2016 demonstrated that rituals can enhance cognitive function and productivity. Participants who engaged in pre -task rituals performed better on cognitive tasks likely due to reduced anxiety and increased focus with rituals. So thatās one thing I want to mention is
We live in a world with alerts and alarms and everything trying to take our attention from, you know, social media to like just constant things coming in all the time. If youāre watching YouTube and all the ads and just like itās a myriad of ways, right? Itās infinite ways.
And all of this research shows when you take your attention off something, it takes a little bit of time to refocus and to recalibrate and to be able to come fully back into that task at hand. So rituals provide that groundedness. again, as I mentioned, the ritual of preparing my body for the day with stretching, with meditation is one that definitely increases my focus. Heart coherence has been shown to increase cognitive function and focus in particular.
Kimberly Snyder (20:48.974)
But if I didnāt have that ritual, if I just, you know, kind of gave my power away and let everyone take my time and on my phone and email and Instagram first thing in the morning, I donāt have focus. I feel scattered. Iām sort of all over the place. What was I supposed to do? And thinking about something before Iāve even had my hot water with lemon versus this really clear, more non -thinking place, which we want to learn to tap into more and more.
This is an attribute of the higher heart stages as well. Eckhart Tolle talks about not thinking. And I used to say to myself, well, what does that really mean? How do you do that? And it turns out as someone who has been seeking more peace and lightness for many years, one of the ways, most powerful way you do that is you start to turn on your heart brain. So then you start to come into this different sinking up place where itās less about thinking and more flow.
more harmony and more just moving throughout your day from one thing to the next. And I have experienced how this truly is possible. Iām also really excited to share as I speak this to you now, that book, our new book, Baby, is number one in meditation on all books on Amazon. So I noticed it was ahead of even one of my teachers, Eckhart Tolle. So Iām feeling very honored at the heart.
is starting to get traction in the world.
Kimberly Snyder (22:20.286)
So another simple ritual, I just went into it, is to pause, to take pauses, sacred pauses. Thereās something really powerful about a sacred pause. For me, the way I take a sacred pause is I take a deep breath and actually place my hand on my heart. And it helps ground me into this moment. And I do it really naturally. And I do it between moving from one thing to the next.
So Iāll take another sacred pause after I end the show. And before I flow into lunch, doing my walk, the other things that I will have to do in a day, I take a sacred pause in the car before I pick up my children from school, just to make sure Iām really centered and clear out of work mode and into mother mode. So the thing about rituals is that theyāre ancient and they are modern.
We can enact ancient rituals if that feels like something that we feel connected to, like moon bathing or, yeah, you know, writing out intentions and placing them under the moon for full moon or new moon or whatever it is. Thereās lots of ancient rituals and certain traditions or more modern rituals. Just the point is that they feel good to you.
There isnāt a specific way or specific right thing to do. I happen to love ancient and modern rituals. Iāll share another one with you is that when we go to Hawaii, thereās this beautiful temple nearby. And one of the rituals is that you write prayers on a piece of paper and then they burn them in the temple and you are to watch the fire. And itās believed this ritual
is sending the prayers up to spirit, to the devas, the shining ones, the light beings that can help, know, whatever you specifically believe. For me, I love this ritual every morning I would go with the children because then you can pray for others, you can pray for the world, right? Really clarifying through the writing process of what energy I want to intend to place out into the world.
Kimberly Snyder (24:48.174)
Itās a beautiful ritual to write things down. And then just to watch the fire and to feel that element coming in, which sort of solidifies this emphasis, I think is really powerful. Journaling for me is a daily ritual and itās one that I love the written word. I also read my notes, things that Iām feeling or awakenings or realizations, and I go back to them.
So a ritual for me is to come in with my beautiful moleskin journal and to spend some time writing and reading.
As you flow through your day and as you consider your day, and I did this practice last night with my husband, I said, okay, wake up. And I check my phone really quickly just to make sure thereās nothing I have to deal with on a family level or whatever. And then I go into the bathroom and I do my skincare. Then I go straight into stretching meditation.
And I asked him to consider, you know, your morning right now. He said, you know, I go straight to work, straight to my email, whatever. said, what, could you do as a ritual right after waking up? And weāve talked about morning routines here before hot water with lemon, know, saloon, SBO probiotics, your glowing green smoothie, maybe even some micro rituals, introducing, an intention moments, policing hands on heart, taking some deep breaths before you even get out of bed.
Another thing I do, a micro ritual like I said is just the way in which I do my skincare in the morning feels ritualistic. I have my favorite mug for my hot water with lemon. There are things within the actual steps that you can bring in. Again, the science is there to show how it reduces cortisol levels and increases mental health, it increases feelings of wellbeing and safety and security into your life.
Kimberly Snyder (26:51.532)
So I encourage you to go through the practice and you can journal about this or even consider it. Where can I place more simple, like actual rituals that I can follow through with and be consistent with? So the rituals donāt have to be so elaborate and you know, I set up all these candles, I do all this stuff around the moon cycle, whatever it is. If that calls you, great. But for me, the power in ritual is the repeated daily steps.
So I have my favorite yoga mat and itās been really warm lately. So I bring that mat out to the porch. Thatās where Iāve been stretching. Iām going to shift now to, just stretching upstairs in our bedroom or in the living room. And then flowing right into the meditation. I love my yoga mat. I have some beautiful yoga mats around my home. So thatās part of the ritual, right? And then I think about the ritual of my midday.
Check in. And this is where I sit before my altar right here next to me in the podcast space. Thereās a pillow and I do a mini meditation and I start to come back in because the day can start to get a little bit wonky. One of the things I was talking about recently on a podcast and that I talk about in the book is transforming our relationship with time. Thereās ego time, thereās mind time, which is hurry, hurry, rush, rush, time pressure, which is one of the main stressors in life.
versus coming into the heart, the most efficient rhythm. Not having to go super slow, but being connected so that everything I say and everything I do comes from this deeper place of connection. So thereās a certain type of power. Thereās a certain type of creativity which comes up and out through you. So you donāt have to redo things. You donāt have to clean up messes so much. I didnāt mean it when I said that. Or, sorry if I sounded sharp or whatever.
Weāre coming into this deeper place of focus. So you can do your heart aligned meditation, which is less than eight minutes in the middle of the day. Itās one of my practices and I get really clear for the afternoon and evening and nighttime.
Kimberly Snyder (29:03.756)
I have a ritual with my son, my older son that we play at least one game of chess before we go to school. And this is a beautiful way to connect and it sort of gets him focused and online for school, you know, back to bringing in community and family and friends into certain rituals. Itās something we both look forward to. Iām making breakfast. Heās setting up the board on the counter. And then itās just a wonderful way to connect and to be together before we part ways. And I go into work and he goes into school.
So think about your flow of your day and where things have become random or mundane. Think about where you can add this magic of rituals for all these reasons. The stress reduction, the enhanced physical health, social connections, focus and productivity, and other great places in the evening, especially if you feel like thereās so much going on in the morning.
But in the evening, you can start to come down and rest. And what does that look like for you? What does real rest and relaxation look like? Could you allocate the ritual of five to 10 minutes, at least, of drinking herbal tea, journaling? Could you incorporate a ritual of shutting down, making an official shutdown to your work, to not going on email anymore or social media? Could you create a ritual with candles or a candle to sit?
and just have a little bit of stillness time or doing the heart aligned meditation again or whatever it is. Again, around evening meals, the gratitude practice, the pausing. The more we can incorporate these junctures which feel sacred, grounding, safe, predictable, secure, our nervous systems will relax. We will feel more lightness and joy. Weāll be able to go into the true power of our hearts and this heart awakening which
brings in so much energy and vitality through all different parts of us on a cellular level and beyond.
Kimberly Snyder (31:05.068)
Iām so excited to share this with you. think these are one of the, you know, in a world that starts to get linear in some ways and very, you know, just go, go, go, move from one thing to the next. We donāt want to give up the joy and the magic that can be truly inherent and woven through our daily lives and rituals and routines.
are one of the ways in which we can continue to elevate our daily experience, our health, our wellbeing in these moments that are in our control. Again, we donāt control most things, but we can bring in rituals and routines. And I hope that todayās show gave you some ideas. You can write to me, you can find me in social media at underscore Kimberly Snyder. If you have any questions, you can also write into our podcast tab at mycelinna .com.
Thereās a podcast tab. You can also ask me more questions for future shows. I will be back here Monday as always for our next interview podcast. Sending you so much love. Please take advantage of all these pre -order offerings for The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts. Please go to mysaloon .com slash five hearts book to get all the information. I hope to see you in that four week heart reset. I hope.
that you get to cook some of these amazing new recipes in the 22 recipe ebook. My favorite, by the way, is the gluten -free vegan almond goji muffins. I make them a lot around here. So I will be back here soon, sending you so much love and so much gratitude and appreciation from my heart to yours. Take great care.
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