How to Bring More Harmony Into Your Life Through the Vagus Nerve with Vaidya Jay [Episode #661]
This week’s topic is: How to Bring More Harmony Into Your Life Through the Vagus Nerve with Vaidya Jay
I am so excited to have my very special guest, Vaidya Jay, who is a world-renowned speaker, professor of Ayurvedic medicine and a NAMA registered practitioner. Listen in as Vaidya Jay shares what the vagus nerve actually is and how it affects the nervous system, tips on how to care for your vagus nerve, and why routine is so important.
Vaidya Jay shares what the vagus nerve is and why its health is so important…
Tips on how to care for the vagus nerve…
How oil pulling, chanting, breathing, herbs and other practices can help support the vagus nerve…
Anxiety and how it affects the entire body and tips for calming the vagus nerve…
Diving deeper into the supporting effects of herbs on the nervous system…
Why routine is critical in keeping your vagus nerve healthy…
About Vaidya Jay
Vaidya Jayagopal Parla (Jay) is a world-renowned speaker. professor of Ayurvedic medicine and a NAMA registered practitioner. Jay has more than 23 years of experience in Ayurvedic practice and teaching. Jayagopal Parla (Jay) holds a Masters in Ayurvedic Medicine from Rajiv Gandhi University of Health Sciences. Bangalore. India. He also holds a Masters in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine from Southern California University of Health Sciences and is a certified Yoga teacher.
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Kimberly 1: 00:01 Hi, loves and welcome back for our Monday interview podcast. We have an amazing repeat guest for you today. One of our favorite guests of all time, Vaidya Jay who is my personal Ayurvedic professor, teacher wisdom keeper. I always go to Vaidya Jay for all things Ayurveda. He has been an Ayurvedic practitioner and doctor for many years, actually 23 years of experience. He teaches Ayurveda and speaks all around the world. He’s just a ball of energy and wisdom. So I can’t wait to get into our show today where, or we talk about specifically the vagus nerve. And this is something that’s been coming up more and more in the, uh, collective conversation. But Ayurvedic medicine has been teaching about the, the vagus nerve for thousands of years. And learning more about this can be a big, um, way, a big tool for learning more and more about how to elevate your own energy and just feeling really great in your body and in your life.
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Interview with Vaidya Jay
Kimberly: 01:05 Namaste. It’s so good to be back with you as always. It’s been, it’s been a little while. Have you been,
Vaidya Jay: 01:16 Yeah, I’ve been good. Uh, enjoying the transition of, uh, uh, you know, spring, uh, since to be on its way, lot of garden in this season. So getting ready for my gardening work.
Kimberly: 01:29 Yeah. It, I mean, I hope spring. It feels like spring’s coming to, you know, everybody who’s listening to this. When I lived on the east coast though, by DJ, it just seemed like, you know, you think spring’s coming, but then there’s a few more months of that windiness and that coldness. So it’s, you know, we’re in the, in the last lap of winter and this is the, you know, the time where I think we get a little bit impatient, cuz we want it to be warm. We lot of things to shift, but nature has its own calendar, doesn’t it?
Vaidya Jay: 01:56 Yes, absolutely. And then whether we notice it or not all our, um, you know, cells in the body we’ll be experiencing it. Um, so, uh, definitely we need to be aware of it.
Kimberly: 02:11 Exactly. Our bodies aware even when our mind wants to resist. And that’s so interesting.
Vaidya Jay: 02:16 So true. So true.
Kimberly: 02:18 So we’ve talked about so many different things on here by J I’ve had you on the podcast so many times. And um, one thing I wanted to talk about today because I’ve been hearing more and more about it and of course you and I have discussed this and some of the classes I’ve taken with you is the vagus nerve. So this isn’t something that I feel like in the west or 10 years ago, people weren’t talking about the VA nerve, but AR Uve has been talking about it for so many thousands of years. And just like so many of these concepts, whether it’s toric, meditation, yoga, you know, some of the, so many of these incredibly rich powerful concepts that have come from India are now being researched. So I’m sure from your perspective, I day you’re like, yes, I’ve been talking about this for so many years.
Kimberly: 02:58 People are starting to understand. Um, so it’s exciting, but at the same time, you know, there’s a lot of confusion and we don’t, you know, I wanna make sure people get information right from the core source and you are that source for our community by JJ, just being so authentic and so deep in your knowledge of our Ayurvedic medicine, being in our are Ayurvedic doctor yourself for years and years. So with that intro, I’ll, I’ll just leave it to you first by date. Tell us what, what is the vagus nerve? Why should we care? Why is it important? I’ll start there.
Vaidya Jay shares what the vagus nerve is and why its health is so important
Vaidya Jay: 03:32 Um, Vaus nerve, the recent times learned all about, you know, the importance of gut biome. Yes. Right? There’s no question that gut biome has a much larger role to play, including, um, our mind state, our mood, et cetera. Uh, even there is studies to show that the changes that happen in brains, uh, such as people suffering from dementia or, you know, Alzheimer’s 30 years before even those changes happen in the brain, the gut is showing those, those changes. So it’s mind boggling how everything is now towards the gut for that, uh, matter. I, whether has been, uh, talking about it for thousands of years, he just says, you know, take care of your gut and it’ll take care of your rest of the tissues, including the brain tissue. So,
Kimberly: 04:35 Oh
Vaidya Jay: 04:35 Yes. From the, see we learned about the prebiotics probiotics, postbiotics all these we learned, but there is now I slight advancement in this concept. What is the, you know, communication that happens between the brain here. That is the number one brain and brain two. That is number two brain. That is the gut brain. So that two brains have to communicate. Um, one is full of feelings. Another one is full of, you know, uh, analysis and, and uh, um, logic. So these are communicating, right? So the earlier they thought that it was mostly the, um, signaling that is done by the, um, secretions that are done by the gut bacteria, uh, like all the precursors, it may be the serotonin or, um, you know, number of these neurochemicals, what we call is neurochemicals. Uh, they are generated in the gut. We call them as precursors and these precursors are taken into the blood and then they go into the blood and then they go into, through the, the blood brain barrier and then enter into the, into the brain tissue. But now they are also thinking what regulates it, how much of these chemicals have to go in? Mm. What is the, um, you know, uh, pathway that the brain is, is sending out. Right. So not to go into a lot of details, anatomy.
Kimberly: 06:13 Yeah. For us.
Vaidya Jay: 06:14 Are we going with all of this?
Kimberly: 06:16 Just so people can really follow, like, what is, how, why is this important to me in my life? Yeah, yeah. The everyday person. Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 06:24 So this, uh, the, the, uh, a Sy nervous system called a parasympathetic nervous system, right? So our listeners have to think about this para means somewhat control parasympathetic. So this nervous system is the one, which is, uh, the part of the, the, the vagus nerve is part of this parasympathetic nervous system. So parasympathetic nervous system communicates from the cranial nerves. So the cranial nerves, we have 12 cranial nerves. The vagus nerve is the 10th one.
Kimberly: 07:07 Wow. Wow. Okay.
Vaidya Jay: 07:10 So it controls of course, digestion, it also controls immunity. It is responsible for hardware rate. It’s responsible for mood. There are a number of, you know, researchers that are showing that one single nerve, this vagus nerve, why they call a cranial nerve because unlike other nerves, these nerve start from the brain, they don’t start from the spinal cord. They’re coming directly from the brain. So they pick up every thing that’s going on in the brain. And then they bring it down. Whereas the spinal cord, it only controls the nerve, the muscles, the, the joints and the ligaments and the black vessels. But this one is going towards the Vira Vira in the sense, the organs, right. Okay. Organs include, you know, our liver pancreas, stomach and, uh, tine. So now we are connecting this, the tine, whatever is happening in the tine is, is taken by the vagus nerve to deliver. So vagus nerve is not a one way pathway it’s, it’s always,
Tips on how to care for the vagus nerve
Kimberly: 08:19 So it’s, it’s that conduit of information between the brain and the GI tract, the inte. So, um, it’s, like you said, it’s a, it’s a two way pathway. And so that you can’t bypass that, that is like the, the highway or whatever we wanna say the telephone between the two. Yes. So, you know, T us more about this, this Vegas nerve, which many of us didn’t know about years ago? Is it something that, you know, easily gets off kilter? How do we take care of it? Do we have to reset it? Sometimes what’s the, what’s the, you know, care that we can give to our Vaus nerve knowing it’s such an important channel.
Vaidya Jay: 08:58 Yeah. So both ways is important. Um, Kimberly first think about meditation. If meditation has an impact on the gut, it’s through this vagus nerve that comes to all the organs. If, if the organs have to be with a, uh, peaceful state that is, um, uh, somewhat compelled or imposed by a brain is through the vagus nerve. So if the, if like somebody has restless liver, uh, or less restless stomach, if that to calm down first, we need to set a strong intention in our, in our meditation and then bring the entire digestive system to a calmness.
Kimberly: 09:46 Hmm.
Vaidya Jay: 09:46 Right. So that is what if there is a nerve that goes all the way from, from the Ze to the AA, to the Vidi, to aha, to, you know, all these, to ULA data all the way to the rectum. Its
Kimberly: 10:06 Wow. I remember we were talking about this when we were, I think it was even in our D Chaya class, um, our daily routine class Vaida Jay, we were talking about this very extensive oral care routine and Aveta with all the neem and all the stuff. And then oil pulling was something that we learned about. And I believe you said that oil pulling is really good for the vagus nerve. Am I, is that correct? And why, why would that be and if so, yeah. What are some of the, the, the practices to strength than this communication or, you know, what is the goal? I mean, I’ll stop there. Let’s talk about oil peeling pulling, then I’ll say, you know, what is the way that we, um, help this system? Is it that we don’t want this nerve, like our nervous systems can get really frazzled. So we wanna keep it calm and balanced, you know, what is our goal with the Vaus nerve?
Vaidya Jay: 10:55 So if there is a lot of, you know, stimulation that’s going on, it may be stress or feelings that are, you know, um, UN yes, affecting the person. Then this freeway that we were talking, the two-way pathway that is vagus nerve gets jam. Mm. Okay. And it only picks up the same SI signals all the time.
Kimberly: 11:17 Okay. Got
Vaidya Jay: 11:18 It. The first branches of the vagus nerve are coming towards the mouth and the tongue and the throat.
Kimberly: 11:27 Okay. So it’s our expression. VA chakra.
Vaidya Jay: 11:30 Yes. And the tongue is the organ that is responsible for first stimulating the vagus nerve to clear the traffic jam of feelings and stress and emotions that are jamming it. So you start working from the mouth. So, so when you Mo when you use oil, pulling people do it in a very different way. Originally, if you take the oil and stroke, it, it would produce severe, almost like intense cramping sensation in the back of your throat, on the tongue, because it’d uses those muscles, which we never use. Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 12:14 These muscles are branched by the vagus nerve, and then you, you stimulate it so that you start sending a signal. Okay. Now you have, you know, jammed up. Let’s losing this. Wow. Okay. So that’s what the oil pulling does. So oil pulling is probably about five to six minutes, uh, in a day. That’s what we need to do. And the oil needs to be stroked. So vigorously that the entire oil that is being taken by mouth will turn into like, I emulsified creamy fluid when it comes out. So that’s the briskness that we are, that we are talking about Kimberly.
Kimberly: 12:51 And you would, you wouldn’t get that effect Dr. J from chanting or using your mouth and your jaw in other ways, because we talk so much all during the day, but you’re not doing the same motion as oil pulling. Right. Okay.
Vaidya Jay: 13:06 Yeah. So the chanting for that matter chanting is influencing it in a different way compared to like maybe the, uh, the oil pulling is more a visceral direction rather than a emotional direction.
Kimberly: 13:22 Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 13:22 Right. So meditation is to calm down the emotions and stress, whereas the visceral connection that is where the vagus nerve starts and controls the, the, the firings and the, and the esophagus, the food pipe and the stomach, it sends the first signal to say, okay, now let’s calm down all these organs.
Kimberly: 13:42 Mm mm. Is there anything, um, herb, her or food wise that’s really good for specifically the Vaus nerve or is it more that we’re eating or taking herbs for the nervous system in a general sense? Hm.
Vaidya Jay: 13:57 Um, see prams are excellent. Even better than herbs. Prams will help people to regulate their vagus nerve, better
Vaidya Jay: 14:15 So using of Matic breathing, using pelvic floor, breathing, abdominal breathing, these are all a way to the upward signaling. That is how the organs are. The organs are being sensed by the vagus nerve. And it’s giving the, the, the feedback to the brain. So the, uh, breathing techniques will tell the vagus nerve to inform the brain that everything is calm.
Kimberly: 14:45 Mm.
Vaidya Jay: 14:46 Right.
Kimberly: 14:47 Got
Vaidya Jay: 14:47 It. So the types of breathing techniques, it’s just simple. You may not talk to your, our audience all the time about the importance of breathing, right. So just before eating, if they can do three minutes of abdominal breathing, right. Abdominal breathing involves just keeping attention on the abdomen. You breathing, you allow the abdomen to swell out. That means basically you are taking the diaphragm and pushing it onto the tines and the organs in the abdomen. So the abdomen comes up. Yes. Right. And then you breathe out and you push the abdomen in so that the organs push towards the spine. So all the liquid fluids and, uh, the lymph gets moved by this, but also the vagus nerve gets a signaling because of this movement, the rhythmic movement that everything is calm and the brain doesn’t have to worry about stress stressors that are coming into the cut.
Kimberly: 15:50 Okay. So we wanna do that, especially before we, yes. That we’re in a more harmonious interstate for digestion.
Vaidya Jay: 15:57 Absolutely. Yes.
Kimberly: 15:59 Wow.
Vaidya Jay: 16:01 So, and, uh, uh, when you, when you asked about the herbs,
Kimberly: 16:04 Yes,
Vaidya Jay: 16:05 There are great herbs to take. I think the best one is in the diet, some kind of, you know, coconut oil or fat fats play a very important role in keeping the, uh, vagus nerve lubricated in either way that we say that vagus nerve should never be dry. You know, the gut should not be dry. And the, the nerves that end on on the gut gut system should not be dry. Now, coming to the spices, we have a wonderful spice in a, with that called as awe a J w a I N. Now awe is known in many, you know, languages as wild celery seeds, Bishop seeds, et cetera. But these AJU wine seeds can help in, you know, balancing out, um, Vaus nerve. So how does it do it helps to move things downwards Vaus nerve shoots, downwards Fu, and then picks it up and then goes backwards. Right. So it is one, two way pathway, as I said, right. So it’s coming down to see what’s happening in the organs. So these herbs, like our spices, like AJU what it does is it helps to send a proper signal saying that everything in the home is peaceful.
Kimberly: 17:23 Okay. Wow. Interesting. Um, is there any other spices, if we have trouble finding that one by your J I remember cooking with that one in our class. Yeah. If you know, you said celery seeds is coriander seeds, would that work as well? Yeah,
Vaidya Jay: 17:39 Yeah. Yeah. You’re kidding them. Yes. That’s the famous tease nowadays, the Corin fennel, and then with some turmeric and, and then column these spices are what the great sages of, uh, IA recommended so that the gut becomes calm even after eating or, you know, in a stressful situation, they’re saying, drink it as a tea so that it can, you know, um, um, calm down the gut. And then the, and the nerve signaling that is going back towards the brain.
Kimberly: 18:13 Wow. You know, doctor in Jay, you talked about the Vaus nerve being one of, did you say 10 or 12 cranial nerves,
Vaidya Jay: 18:20 12 cranial nerves.
Kimberly: 18:21 And what are the other ones and how come we don’t hear about the other ones as much? Why is the, you know, the Vaus nerve kind of became this superstar nerve, but it’s part of the larger system.
Vaidya Jay: 18:30 Yeah. Uh, not many descent below the neck, you know, like first nerve is the, uh, all factory, which is coming to the nose and it picks up the smell. Then the optic nerve, which is responsible for vision and then a motor for, you know, eye movements. And then we, you know, like the, the vegetable or cog, which is going for the year. So all these strange yes names, all of them are mostly here. None of them come down. Vagus nerve is the only one that diss descends through the, the, the cranium towards the neck and branded us out to all the organs. If, if, if, if time permits, all our listeners should go on the Google images and then see vagus nerve distribution, they will be mind boggled, how it innovates the, in the, the stomach they used to be. If somebody has stomach ulcers, what they used to do is if they’re very stressful, they used to do vagotomy. That means they cut the vagus nerve so that it does not stimulate the stomach all the time.
Kimberly: 19:38 Oh my gosh. This
Vaidya Jay: 19:39 Used to be a surgery to stop. I heard of stomach being stimulated. What happens is if somebody is very stressful, the vagus nerve constantly stimulates the stomach. It’s because it’s preparing the stomach for a flight and fight mechanism. It says, okay, the situation is going to be very bad. We have to take all the food that comes in. So let’s stimulate the stomach, get all the food, digested, get most energy, and then face it. That’s what it is doing. But nobody is in front of a lion. They are only in front of a computer facing some stressful situation. They don’t have to run anywhere. So what it, what they do is in order to stop this over stimulation, they cut the vagus nerve off that’s coming from to the stomach and the consequences nowadays, they don’t do it in the past. They used to do it. Consequences are not good. So VA is a very important nerve to, to keep up. Yeah. Yeah.
Kimberly: 20:37 Besides the oil pulling, um, Viya J are there any other daily practices you said breathing, which is really important and just having the intention in our meditation to just settle in, tell our digestive systems to calm down. Is there any other, uh, ways, I mean, I think just even being aware of this is helpful, but is there any other practices that we can incorporate that are relatively simple and easy
Drinking how water in the morning
Vaidya Jay: 21:00 Drinking water in the morning?
Kimberly: 21:01 Drinking? Sorry, say that again? Hot
Vaidya Jay: 21:03 Water in the morning. Hot
Kimberly: 21:04 Water. Yeah. Okay.
Vaidya Jay: 21:06 Simple.
Kimberly: 21:06 Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 21:07 So effective that will make the vagus nerve. Uh, the warmth is what vagus nerve likes.
Kimberly: 21:15 Oh, just in the morning or just drinking hot tea, hot water with lemon throughout the day is good. Or just in the morning.
Vaidya Jay: 21:20 It’s good though. Like, at least in the morning, we want to keep people, um, in a, in a routine that they take hot water, it sends a signal to the entire gut saying that, you know, everything is now, um, going to be in an even flow or a balanced flow.
Kimberly: 21:42 Okay. Okay. So it, it goes back to these practices, which create that real groundedness, that real stick in the body, which I think is so much of what Aveta talks about. Right. It’s like not being extreme, but coming back into, into center and into, it’s almost like our bodies start to feel really safe and secure. Yeah. Right. And like less reactive to the outside world. So it’s like this inside of us.
Vaidya Jay: 22:05 Yeah. The word that you use is secure, vague nerve is the critical nerve to make us feel secure and safe.
Kimberly: 22:15 Hmm.
Vaidya Jay: 22:17 So, because the other pathway is to go towards the brain, right. One it’s coming down the other way is always sensing what’s happening. And then in giving you, you know, information to the organs, to how to how they are to be prepared for different situations. Right. So if we can do that by influencing through breathing and diet and, and hydration, then automatically the, the, the stimulation that’s going towards the brain from the vagus nerve is very, you know, distressing.
Kimberly: 22:48 So in your, in your clinic, by Jay, when you see, so that’s really prone to anxiety, right. And just sort of being in that, like you said, these big emotions all over the place, and the fear starts to come in all the, what ifs in the future. And of course, like we know the nervous system is probably really imbalanced and also the vagus nerve. What are some of the things that you, you, you tell people, right? Cause we work on this holistic level, you know, I’ve talked about this many times, our cornerstones are food, body, emotional wellbeing, spiritual growth. One of the things I love, you know, interning with you, I, Jay and sitting in the clinic and watching you with, with patients is you are working on this holistic level. You know, you’ll give people mantras and you talk about food and meditations. So tell us, you know, you notice or someone says, huh, I’m listening to this. I think there’s some trauma. I dunno, the correct word here is trauma in my vagus nerve ORs. It’s, you know, the signaling is, needs resetting. I’s an anxious person. Yeah. I don’t know if my VA nerve is off, but I’m anxious. So my biggest nerve is probably off. Right. You’re seeing the studio. What would you say?
Anxiety and how it affects the entire body and tips for calming the vagus nerve
Vaidya Jay: 23:50 True. So the, the anxiety is just not one part of the body. It’s entire body. Yes. Oddly, they thought it’s all in the brain. No, right?
Kimberly: 23:59 No.
Vaidya Jay: 24:00 It’s such a limited vision now. Yes. Anxiety is an entire body phenomena. So when, when we look at a person who’s having anxiety, let’s talk about that. It is a overwhelming experience that is sensed by them and they relate it through, through their, through their, through their brain. So they think something is wrong with the brain. It’s not, it is the, we remember we started off with the two brains, you know, one brain here, another brain here. So it’s both had to be, you know, involved in creating anxiety. So the Vaus nerve, that is the communication between the two, if it signals properly between the two, right. Then the half of the, you know, uh, problem that is coming as a anxiety is resolved. I’ll tell you simple example, uh, Kimberly to all of our listeners, people come and then say, I have gas and bloating. This is a very, very common, you know, symptom. Yeah. I feel bloated. I feel bloated. I feel gassy. Are they eating wrong? No, they’re eating very healthy. Right. Are they not, uh, you know, taking care of their, you know, lifestyle, most of them, they are taking life care of their lifestyle. Right. But why is this, why are they having constant gas and bloating? It’s because stress, an anxiety is relating to the gut. And that’s what the anxiety in the, in the gut is gas and bloating. That’s what my conclusion is now.
Kimberly: 25:42 Right, right. And it’s interesting. It works both ways, right? Because it’s like, we can, we can work in the body. We can work to, you know, calm down such a big proponent of taking the S B O probiotics and doing all that. But you can do that and still have that nervous, upset. So that’s why, you know, and I talk about this so much, Dr. Jay, and with my, my new book and really focusing on this, the spiritual aspect of life, the meditation, and the, the connecting to who we are past this absolutely just the physical and the shell, but connecting to, to this stable part inside of us means we don’t have to try and find safety and security all the time out here. Cause it’s always changing it’s inside of us.
Vaidya Jay: 26:19 Yeah. True. It is. That is what we need to awaken. So all these daily routines, et cetera, that we are doing used to the strength in us, where we become stronger to resist or to manage stressful factors that are inevitable in our life. So it starts with you within you. That’s correct. That’s true.
Kimberly: 26:42 So what, it, it sounds like what you’re saying too, Y D J is having this deeper understanding of the Vaus nerve, our nervous system, the two brains, but it’s really about living this lifestyle. Right. Because there’s things we can take for our gut, the digestive enzymes and the probiotics and herbs and things like that. But then it’s more understanding, oh, my brain and my stress patterns, um, the, uh, you know, sort of distort this communication. So I try to stay calm, use the breath techniques, like you said, the prana Yama. So it’s really just about understanding to create more harmony and then any practice like the oil pulling, um, you know, will link to some information about that. That’s, that’s like a, that’s a specific practice, but it sounds like what we’re, it’s more just focused on a more calm, harmonious lifestyles, the best thing you do for that vagus nerve. Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 27:29 Yeah. So one is oil pulling. The second thing is see, because why we are, I, I, I like the point that you bring up to our audience about the mouth being such an important thing. That’s the middle part, you know, the brain is here, the gut is here, The middle part. Right. So they have seen that if we use automatic substances, Kimberly, like, you know, keeping some cardomon in the mouth
Kimberly: 27:52 Mm.
Vaidya Jay: 27:53 Or keeping some, you know, clover or nutmeg or Mae, um, even, even pure quality camper, these are to be given. And so, because they have AR aroma, right. So aroma as to the brain, whereas their taste and, and then the flavor goes down towards the gut.
Kimberly: 28:15 Mm.
Vaidya Jay: 28:16 Feel, you know, making sure that these, this, uh, that the brain gut, you know, relation through the vagus nerve is Welle established.
Kimberly: 28:24 Oh, interesting. So that, it’s something you can’t just do with essential oils cuz you’re smelling, it’s going up. You has to be in the mouth mouth. Mm yeah. Okay.
Vaidya Jay: 28:32 Yes. And even using that, you know, cooling breath that we use with, by making the tongue into a fennel and then funnel and then, and then that is also very, if they are very anxious, I see in my own, you know, clients, when I tell them to do that for about maybe like two minutes, just sitting in a place immediately, they feel like things are coming down.
Kimberly: 28:53 Right. They’re just coming present.
Vaidya Jay: 28:55 Right. Otherwise, if the VA nerve keeps on stimulating the gut saying that, oh, stress is there. We need to prepare. We need to prepare. We need to prepare the gut goes into inflammation. Yeah. When the gut goes into inflammation, then the signaling that goes to the brain changes.
Kimberly: 29:09 Mm
Vaidya Jay: 29:10 Mm. Right. On the gut bacteria. Another fascinating thing is this, when the Vaus nerve does not regulate the gut motility, how the gut moves, you know, the gut motility changes. Mm. Some areas of the gut will become stagnant. Some areas will become very, you know, fast moving. Okay. So this allows some of the gut bacteria to colonize in a place where it is not supposed to be
Kimberly: 29:36 Okay.
Vaidya Jay: 29:36 Right. So people who are extremely nervous and extremely anxious, they slowly suffer from gut dysbiosis. That means that bacteria will change from their original location to another location because gut is not moving properly.
Kimberly: 29:51 Mm mm mm. Interesting. Yeah. So if you, if you, you know, oh geez. Like I really, I I’m excited about this. I wanna do things about it. The, the oil polling, like you said, will give information. That’s five minutes a day, miss aromatics. Is that something you recommend people? Do you know, with the mace in your mouth? Not like every day, every
Vaidya Jay: 30:11 Day.
Kimberly: 30:12 Wow. Just like take a piece of numb. Are we supposed to chew on it or just keep it in your mouth?
Vaidya Jay: 30:15 I keep it in my car. I have a small box. Okay. And I have it in my car and I am driving. I open one of them and I put it in my mouth and I drive until I go to the place. It just is in my mouth and I’m sucking on it. And I J they’re very, very, uh, palatable, uh, except the CLO. I want caution our listeners, if they bite onto CLO CLO is really punt. It’s better to just suck on them rather than chew and eat them. You had to suck on them for about 23. It stays in your mouth. And, and then the effect of it is to slowly calm down the gut.
Kimberly: 30:48 Wow. Which the little jar in your, in your car, Dr. Jay, what, um, which spices? It,
Vaidya Jay: 30:54 It, it has four things. One is the card parts. I have clothes. I have few pieces of me. And then I also have, uh, a little bit of nutmeg.
Kimberly: 31:08 Wow. That’s something you should sell at a Traya herbs.
Vaidya Jay: 31:11 Yeah. Why not? We’ll do that
Kimberly: 31:14 A little Vegas herb aromatic kit or kit, whatever you wanna say, you know, spices,
Vaidya Jay: 31:22 Spicy Vegas.
Kimberly: 31:24 Well, I just say that, I think it’s, it’s important to have, you know, this information to have tools and also have things around that are supportive. Um, you know, like I mentioned before, of course I take our Solluna SBO probiotics every single day. And I also really like having your herbs around by DJA, you know, in the evening I take my elixir lot. I like to make, you know, hot, almond milk. I like a Knight’s Milky elixir. And then you’ve made me a customized blend of herbs. And I put that and I drink it almost every night and there’s not me, mine as well. So I would just say, um, I also, I just love this idea of the, you know, the plant medicines, the herbs coming in, because it’s, it’s, it’s subtle, but it’s hour. And so I know, you know, you’ve, you’ve dedicated, you know, this credible company you’ve created by DJ where all the herbs are organic. Um, so can you speak a little bit about what herbs might be good for anxiety, which again is just something that we take, not for big crises, but just in our daily life to just really support the nervous system, including the Vegas supporting us as we go through life.
Diving deeper into the supporting effects of herbs on the nervous system
Vaidya Jay: 32:27 Yeah. So, uh, why do we think, uh, the two, two herbs have become so famous nowadays one is ashwaganda
Kimberly: 32:35 Yes.
Vaidya Jay: 32:37 Ashwaganda is such a wonderful grounding herb. That is for the nervous system.
Kimberly: 32:42 Okay.
Vaidya Jay: 32:43 Uh, whereas the go to Cola, which is the, in I with a call, we call it as Brahmi. Yes. Brahmi. So there are two aspects of the, the more physical aspect of vagus nerve is influenced by. Okay. Whereas the psychological, emotional aspect of it is influenced by go to CoLab.
Kimberly: 33:09 Mm. So
Vaidya Jay: 33:10 Energetic versus physical. Both of them combine people in our listeners can do this in the, in the daytime. They can take the, uh, go to Cola tea and in the nighttime with some almond milk or something, they can take Ashwagandha and go to bed, even Ashwagandha and golden milk, super combination. So that the nerve biggest nerve, when the gut gut, you know, uh, nervous system all goes into this ease when they going to sleep.
Kimberly: 33:41 Mm. And so the, the go to co the, say that again, go to Cola,
Vaidya Jay: 33:45 Go to Cola,
Kimberly: 33:46 Go to Cola. When you take that during the day, it just helps you like be less reactive,
Vaidya Jay: 33:51 Reactive. Yes. Less sensitive, less stress prune.
Kimberly: 33:56 Mm. Is that something that you take regularly Dr. J or do cycle your in and out?
Vaidya Jay: 34:02 Yeah. You, you, you drink it because it’s also called as an adaptogen. Both of these are adaptogens. Yes. Uh, that means depending on the situation where you are, they are up your body and mind to it. Right. So they can be taken every day, no problems at all. Everybody can take it. And they’re also aging. So I with consider Sagan and go to Cola, which is also called Brame as anti-aging, so they can be taken as well. So you’re having two, uh, you know, uh, way approach. One is the herbs. Other one is the spices. And then the routine, the routine is nobody can, you know, take a shortcut for the routine. You, we have to follow routine in order to keep the vagus nerve vagus nerve, uh, has a, a time pattern. It’s the different organs at different times. Right? So that, that is because it knows when the gall bladder has to work.
Vaidya Jay: 34:56 It knows when the stomach has to work. It knows when the pancreas has to work. When the, you know, liver has to work, it has done. That is the rhythm that is going on. So if we maintain a rhythm in our life, waking up at a certain time, drinking hard water, taking the, go to quality, chewing on these, you know, automatics, and then doing some breathing exercises, of course, eating in, you know, according to the, know your, your body patterns and then last drinking some golden milk. And then Ashwagandha going to sleep may be a shortest way of keeping the vagus nerve in a healthy PA you know, state.
Why routine is critical in keeping your vagus nerve healthy
Kimberly: 35:33 Mm mm. Mm. I like how you say you can’t take shortcuts away from routine. Yeah. It’s just like in nature of the circadian rhythms, the cycles, as busy as we get Dr. Jay, as much as we try to pack in, we can’t, it’s just not gonna help us. If we go, you know, too far, if we push ourselves, we don’t sleep and all of that. And, you know, we had this sleep doctor on here recently to Dr. Jay, and he was talking about new research coming out. That’s showing how getting up at the same time every day is one of the most critical factors of deep sleep. So it’s not the time you go to bed necessarily, but making sure you’re getting up the same time. Cause it puts you on that rhythm. Right. All the things Ayurveda talks about.
Vaidya Jay: 36:11 Right. Right. Ali wake up. So,
Kimberly: 36:14 Or does the same wake up time consistent.
Vaidya Jay: 36:16 Yeah. The routine is the way to bring attention to the body. Otherwise the mind is running away all the time.
Kimberly: 36:25 Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 36:26 So routine is way of like, okay, come back here, stand here with me with the body is what the routine has has, you know, in incorporating a routine will do it for us. So this, um, you know, awareness that the body needs, some attention from the mind is established. Otherwise mind becomes more and more, you know, stronger and the body becomes more and more weaker. Um, so body is connected to gut and the mind is connected to brain. So there is a separation.
Kimberly: 36:59 Yeah. There’s a separation disconnection.
Vaidya Jay: 37:02 Bring them together. Routine is the way to do it.
Kimberly: 37:07 We talk about sometimes in Ave, this cycle of change the 40 days, would you say if someone’s like, well, my life feels really erratic, but we put some extra energy 40 days to help establish maybe in a, are not trying to be perfect, but to establish more of a routine, then it starts to get set. Would you say that’s right, Dr.
Vaidya Jay: 37:25 Absolutely. Absolutely. I would definitely agree with that. Kimberly. There’s no question. It’s first of all, what there is the willingness and the second thing is commitment. If they have willingness and commitment, these two then 40 days will change a pattern.
Kimberly: 37:41 Yes. Yeah. Yes. So we can put a little bit more energy into that and create a beautiful flow and then go forward because there’s so much today about habits. And like, I can’t, you know, this number of days and it keeps changing, but I like this history, like this number of 40 days, 40 years in the desert, I mean, so many cultures, this, this number of 40 has been, you know, quite prominent.
Vaidya Jay: 38:04 Right. So the once they establish, so they let’s have a listener choose maybe five routines, you know, we don’t have to wo over ambitiously chose. Like I wanna do all of it. It’s overwhelming. And we have a life to deal with. Yes. And then it’s important that choose so much going. My gosh, people were like, get totally discouraged. They choose like 15 of them. They cannot pack in all of them in a day and they completely get burnt out and they don’t wanna do it. So I would say, choose five.
Kimberly: 38:34 Yeah,
Vaidya Jay: 38:35 I have.
Kimberly: 38:35 And, and five, you know, I also think of stacking things together. Like we could do the oil polling in the morning and, or, you know, then you do the hot water with lemon or whatever it is so we can start to create those routines.
Vaidya Jay: 38:47 Yeah.
Kimberly: 38:48 Amazing. Well, it’s it just it’s I get so excited by today. When we talk about all these different things, it all starts come together and there’s different aspects, but it really starts to simplify into this idea of regulation. You know, these yoga qualities, calmness, equanimity, you know, Yogananda talks so much about the power of being even mind. Oh yeah. And realize like that power of just not being a so up and down in life affect digestion, it affects our aging. It affects our energy inflammation so much in our lives. Come
Vaidya Jay: 39:20 Of it. Yes. Yes.
Kimberly: 39:22 It’s so important to work towards that. It’s not just a character disposition. Oh, I’m calmer than this person. It is a skill, light skill. It’s really important to work on.
Vaidya Jay: 39:32 Yeah. And it will, you know, slowly even we learn that the effects are long lasting and it will promote our life and promote our life experiences being very positive. Yeah. So that can evolve. That’s what, you know, umand talks about, you know, all this even mindedness, et cetera, is to bring the mind body together so that our experiences are more based
Kimberly: 39:57 That’s right. And we evolve as humans and we feel more fulfillment. Otherwise we’re just like blowing in the wind, like confused. Like, what am I doing here? What is my purpose?
Vaidya Jay: 40:06 Yes, yes.
Kimberly: 40:06 You know, and then that, and,
Vaidya Jay: 40:08 And then, you know, most of us, uh, you may agree with me too, Kimberly, that most of us use our minds as powerful to, to accomplish what we want in our society. But we realize, let’s realize that mind that has become powerful is now become a abuser of the body.
Kimberly: 40:29 Oh gosh. Yes.
Vaidya Jay: 40:31 We never realized that.
Kimberly: 40:33 Well, and then I also think Dr. Jay, that the things that the, that we create goals for it, doesn’t give you what you think it’s gonna give you. Right? Like you work, you, you wanna have this much money or this job title or whatever it is, this amount of fame, this amount of followers, whatever it is. And then you get there and you’re like, oh right. So it creates this depression versus this actually life isn’t, you know, it sounds cheesy this cliche destination, it’s the journey, but it is the day to day the being this yeah. Life is right here right now. Yeah. Right. Like, am I joyful now?
Vaidya Jay: 41:07 Yeah. And only thing that you want is your body.
Kimberly: 41:10 Yeah.
Vaidya Jay: 41:11 You want nothing, you only own your body. That’s lend for lend you on a, on a mission that you lies yourself.
Kimberly: 41:19 Exactly. And then the body goes away too. Dr. Jay. So we only have it for a time. The only thing we really have eternally is, is our interstate is the know our true self connection. That eternal part of us that keeps going
Vaidya Jay: 41:32 That true connection, which you’re talking about is established by vagus nerve.
Kimberly: 41:36 Wow. Amazing. What an amazing, amazing, um, conversation. Thank you so much. Vaidya Jay is always for being here with us and just shedding light on all these different, interesting aspects of lifestyle. Um, I mentioned already your herbs are incredible company. You, which I love myself so much and all the different, you know, ones that I take and experiment with and cycle in and out. Can you share with us how to find more information on
Vaidya Jay: 42:01 It? Yeah, sure. And Ari herbs is the, uh, Herbo company that, uh, I am associated with. And we have, as you said, uh, high quality organic products. Uh, we also have routine products, which you are talking about, the oil pulling oil pro products and social oil, and then the gum tone, et cetera, which people may be interested. And my practice is in long beach. I, I practice out of AIA, I with the integr health center and then where I do consultations and provide one-to-one, you know, uh, services
Kimberly: 42:32 Amazing. Well, we will link to all of that. Vaidya Jay in the notes, I’ve sent so many people to you as well. It’s been amazing. So everybody, please check out more information about Vaidya Jay obviously is so deep in his wisdom and his knowledge. So thank you so much. Ija for being here with us. Thank
Vaidya Jay: 42:50 You. Thank you, Kim.
Kimberly: 42:51 In Sanskrit means Dr. I say Dr. Jay is the proper term. So we love this. Thank you
Vaidya Jay: 42:57 Much. Thank you. Kimberly pleasure is mine Namaste to all of our listeners
Kimberly: 43:02 Namaste.
Vaidya Jay: 43:02 Namaste.
Kimberly: All right. My loves, I hope you enjoyed our conversation today with Vaidya Jay as much as I enjoyed being in the conversation with this lively, loving ball of light as he is, Vaidya Jay is here to, to just support us in the wisdom of Ayurveda. So please be sure to check out the show notes, check out other podcasts we’ve had with him and others, um, links, his brand
Kimberly: 05:57 Solluna products, meditations articles, recipes. There’s a million things in the show notes. They’re very rich. So please do check them out and I’ll see you back here in the next few days for our Q&A our next community show. Thank you so much. My love for being you. And I’m so grateful for our connection. See you soon Namaste and lots of love.